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|>>|| No. 14069
Does anyone know of any Satanists or the like with good rhetoric in or around London who'd like to have a chat with this guy?
|>>|| No. 14071
He seems like one of those people who'll act like there's a fundamentally insurmountable difference in ye and he's philosophical outlooks (or in this case how shapes work) when in fact you're both agreeing on 99% of the issue.
I have a friend like this but he's genuinely intelligent and not as spooky skellingtons as your m80.
|>>|| No. 14075
There are a lot of people like that who seem to argue for the sheer sake of arguing, and I wonder how they've all gotten this far in life without their heads exploding.
|>>|| No. 14076
This board has a really small userbase doesn't it.
|>>|| No. 14077
I've found saying "shit like this is why no-one wants to spend anytime with you, anon" usually ends the conversation pretty sharpish.
|>>|| No. 14078
That sentence doesn't make sense without a question mark at the end?
You get my point...
|>>|| No. 14087
I'm not a Satanist by any means, but I was under the impression that an upside down pentagram is the sigil of Baphomet? So as far as I'm aware, it makes more sense to have an upside down pentagram than an upright one.
|>>|| No. 14088
You all seem to understand what's going on in that conversation a bit more than I do, but it appears as though one bloke is questioning the other about their beliefs because they can't quite fit them into their little boxes of organised religion. Would that be correct?
|>>|| No. 14109
One person is saying that it doesn't make sense to say a flat shape is upside down, the other is saying that if his own unique brand of Mystical-Judaism says one way is upside down then it's objectively the case.
Which means that it can be completely inverted by rotating it 72 degrees.
|>>|| No. 14136
I can see that. I'm confused who out of the posters is meant to be OP and the guy that needs chatting with. They both seem like sad pedantic cunts to me. But I must say I agree more with the guy who says it is upside-down - it clearly is.
|>>|| No. 14143
>Shapes don't have proper orientation
They do if they have vector area. Who failed geometry now bitch.
|>>|| No. 14144
It doesn't have a vector area, it's a tattoo of Baphomet on some bird's back.
|>>|| No. 14145
It does if I define a normal vector.
Besides all the pedantry, any cunt can see it's upside down. The fact that it has 5-fold rotational symmetry doesn't change the fact that it isn't symmetric horizontally you dumb cunt.
|>>|| No. 14147
Because if you flip it you change the complete meaning of the shape. If it had horizontal symmetry this could not be true but sinde it doesn't this has implications for it's meaning. From wiki:
>A reversed pentagram, with two points projecting upwards, is a symbol of evil and attracts sinister forces because it overturns the proper order of things and demonstrates the triumph of matter over spirit. It is the goat of lust attacking the heavens with its horns, a sign execrated by initiates.
|>>|| No. 14148
It only has a meaning relative to certain beliefs. The beliefs of the girl with the tattoo differ from yours and the red guy's. They're irrelevant. The shape itself has no proper orientation, gollum. It's a shape. Come back when you can turn a circle upside down.
|>>|| No. 14149
How do you or they know that's "reversed"? For all anyone knows it might actually be the right way up and all this time people have been using it upside down on flags.
|>>|| No. 14150
I'm a ghost now.
Tell that Derek Acorah bloke, where I'm now we all think he's a jizzpipe.
|>>|| No. 14152
Ok at least now I know you're trolling, it can be hard to seperate from stupidity sometimes.
|>>|| No. 14161
"Upside down" is a purely relative term that makes sense only within a specific reference frame. Although the "relative to..." may only be implied, something can only ever be upside down relative to its expected orientation.
To give a tangible example, the International Space Station has no floor or ceiling, just walls - the concept of "floor" and "ceiling" is utterly meaningless in microgravity. Newcomers to the ISS take several days to adjust to the idea that there is no "right way up" and that all spatial orientations are equally valid when gravity does not impose a frame of reference.
|>>|| No. 14162
The ISS is in orbital freefall. On Earth we feel gravity and can see the horizon seperating sky and ground. It's fairly obvious why the latter has a colloquially accepted notion of up and down even though the former does not.
Secondly you're talking about a pentagram as if it is just a 2D geometric object when it is in fact a symbol with meaning, specifically who's meaning depends strongly on its orientation. With respect to the standard vertical/horizontal Earth reference frame and the original 'good' and later 'evil' connotations of the pentagram it makes perfect sense to call it upside down or reversed to specify the latter. The rotational symmetry is irrelevant.
|>>|| No. 14163
Yeah except your interpretation of the meaning of the shape is subjective, so utterly irrelevant.
|>>|| No. 14164
Right, so I'm sure you'll both agree that the statements "From my perspective that shape, known to me as a Pentagram, is upside down. This denotes bad luck in my opinion."
"It isn't an upside down pentagram, and I don't consider it unlucky." are both equally valid and a matter of perspective and therefore have nothing to be fucking arguing about.
|>>|| No. 14165
Do you really not understand how "from your perspective" makes it a statement about the shape relative to you and not a statement about the shape itself?
|>>|| No. 14166
If I didn't, I wouldn't have put "from my perspective".
Whether you happen to think it is unlucky, or not, is irrelevant. If you want to get really fucking pedantic You shouldn't be asking "Is that an upside down pentagram?" at all because from your perspective it is whether they say it isn't or not.
|>>|| No. 14167
The pentagram exists regardless of perspective. I'm not asking if it's upside down or not because that is a nonsensical question.
|>>|| No. 14168
>The pentagram exists regardless of perspective
Does something truly exist if it is unobserved? Observation fundamentally changes the state of an object via QM, so even if the answer is 'yes' it doesn't 'exist' in the same sense when unobserved.
|>>|| No. 14170
If a pedant starts an argument on Facebook and doesn't post the screenshots, is he being an annoying cunt at all?
|>>|| No. 14179
Is that the guy (not David Mitchell) who thinks aliens visited earth to help build the pyramids and then fucked off?
|>>|| No. 14182
I think so.
"History" Channel cart him out for their Alien tripe on the regular.
Why do they do it? What do they want? Will we ever know? No-one can say for certain...
|>>|| No. 14187
Lads. It doesn't mean anything either way because Satanism is a load of bollocks.
That said, all you needed to do was mention the Pentarchy and how the upside down thing represents reconciliation between the Christian Church. Alternative religious types tend to know nothing about the Christianity so it should shut him up faster than if you pointed out that the upside down cross actually means something incredibly faithful.
Can we see the video btw?
|>>|| No. 14189
He's Jewish enough to wear a kippah on a regular basis, with a strong belief in the Illuminati and among other things that homosexuals smell like death.
I can't find it now but it's not terribly interesting, she just falls over.
|>>|| No. 14253
Six Degrees of separation: It just came up on my news feed that a friend liked the original video.
She has over 1500 followers but apparently lives a normal life. That is some black magic right there.
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