>>1882

The antidepressant I'm on - mirtazapine - has been speculated to work as a nootropic and though it's never really been tested regards this I think it does have a limited nootropic effect. I'm unsure as to what you actually want, or are expecting; it's much the same as the increased cognition you get on, say, speed, though without the disjointed aspect.

That diagram is also wrong. Wellbutrin is a multiple-reuptake inhibitor, not an NRI. Phentermine is closer related to SSRIs than the classical stimulants, I have no idea why SSRIs and SNRIs are overlapping with atypical antipsychotics.. Stupid chart.

Yep. Piracetam is great. Ordered some to get on the ball for my exams. Works well. Also gives a cool kinda floaty feeling for the first few days you take it (but this doesn't interfere negatively with work and things). And since I wasn't blazing at the time I was taking it, I can't really tell you how it affects that. Though the first smoke once I finished taking it was amazing (combination of tolerance break and the Piracetam, I'd imagine.)

This looks quite immense and extremely useful. How does one go about getting ahold of it? Can't find it on any of my usual pharmacy sites.

>>1893

http://www.docsimon.com/search.php?find=piracetam&find_flag=&ltype=&fsub=SEARCH

Be warned: P&P is extortionate.

>>1893
I bought mine from an international ebay seller, 500mg for about £25. I expect it won't be here for ages, though.

>>1895
I meant 500g

>>1894

Have you used docsimon.com before? I'm not sure if it's legit or not!

>>1917

I have, and all arrived in good time with no noticeable problems.

>>1895 I'm guessing you bought it in powder form?

http://www.imminst.org/forum/index.php?s=eaab23882cb42175fcf9e42ab7c1d021&showtopic=36691

that looks interesting. I'd buy the three drugs recommended on there but I have no money. The dosages are also really high so supplies would run out fast.

I've used DocSimon too. Mad postage prices though. And I couldn't read a thing it said on the box. Meh. Legit site though.

http://www.smart-nutrition.net/
Looks legit. Wired article etc.
BUT ladm8s

Aniracetam 500 mg
Centrophenoxine 300 mg
Pyritinol 300 mg
Picamilon 100 mg
Piracetam 100 mg
Sulbutiamine 100 mg
Oxiracetam 10 mg
Vinpocetine 10 mg
Idebenone 10 mg
Galantamine 300 mcg
Huperzine A 100 mcg

looks a bit heavy/shit. Should I just get som piracetam and a Choline supplement? Thanks btw OP.

btw this is cheap:

http://www.enhanced-minds.com/shop/index.php?_a=viewProd&productId=9

and also legit.

>>1931

Just ordered from there without really checking anything.

This is the level of trust I place in britfa.gs. God I'm silly.

>>1932 It's okay, I bought 1kg piracetam, 500g choline and 100g aniracetam from there yesterday to split with a friend. And 2000 capsules off another site.

So my 0.5kg of Piracetam arrived today in a massive tub, in powder form. What do I do with it? Bung it in capsules, or can I mix it in with juice like one would a protein shake?

>>1960

get some capsules, put 800mg in each one. You should get hold of some choline too, really; it's recommended as a supplement, especially if you get headaches - add about 250mg to your capsules.

I've read a lot that there's no harm in taking a large beginning dose of anything from 4-6g - it's not harmful enough for this to be a big deal, and it makes short term instant results which will give you an idea of what it's like. After that, 2g every 8 hours seems about the average dose!

>>1961

What does it actually do to you?

>>1961

Well I got bored this morning and had about 1.5g dissolved in water. Tasted rotten. I'll get ahold of some capsules but in the meantime I guess I'll mess around and bomb 3-4g. Eh.

>>1963
I've been on it for over a week now and I can definetly say it's worth it. Get some choline though for the love of god. I decided to try it with weed yesterday and didn't take enough choline. It was great for a while, the walls felt like they were furry and my gf said her brain tingled, but after a while I got a headache and didn't weant to move. It was still nice, but the headache just made me want to lie down and minimise sensory input (genuinly thought that at the time, the clear headedness is amazing).

>>1974

What's your dosage like?

>>1986
3-5 x800mg which I match with the same number of choline pills, which contain 250mg of choline.

Also, piracetam and weed, oh my God.

So I've been taking it for a week or two now, and I have to say, this actually works. I'm going to type up a long explanation for erowid, I think.

>>1987
Also I take the 3-5 pills 3 times a day.

>>1974
Did you order from EM? tempted to order the SA Student Sampler just to try out as the bulk powder of pira is out of stock.

>>1991

I'm not 1974, but I did order mine from EM and they delivered fine, apart from the choline which they didnt have in stock, but they apologised asap and sent me a sachet of an alternate (and stronger) choline, they say they'll ship me my normal choline asap.

>>1987 that dosage looks a little on the high side. I've heard that there are withdrawal effects on some people when coming off 2g+ a day.

>>1987

Can you paste/link to your writeup?

>>1993 Thanks, I ordered the Student Sampler as the pira is out of stock, if all goes well i shall be ordering the half kilo pira.

>>1997 I'd not know how well this'd work, I've mostly read that nootropics are best over the long term, say over a weeks worth of usage at least, I don't think a sampler will let you try them for long enough to see if there are any real effects beyond placebo?

Hey this is Rowesk from Enhanced Minds.
Just letting people know that we do still have piracetam in stock, but not the 0.5kg pots we sell it in. If you guys want some though, I can send it out to you in zip-loc baggies, and because of the inconvenience, I'll knock £2 off. Shoot me an email through the site if you're interested.

And the -racetams included in the student sampler are much more potent than pira. This translates to a higher price, but the effects can be felt from the first dose. :)

>>2001

Instantly suspicious of OP.

>>2002

Why so?

>>2003

A cynical man would find it suspicious that somebody who sells these products shows up in a thread which started with somebody explaining exactly why these products are awesome and we should all consider buying them.

>>2004

Nah, I (not OP) first posted the link to EM, and bought off them. I presume they're getting a lot of click throughs to their site from us, and so wondered what all the traffic was for.

>>2005

Cool. In that case it's very nice of Rowesk to come and make us an offer.

How long has it taken you lot to recieve after completing the payment?

Piracetame isn't effective enough, Idebenone is stronger.

>>2010
Piracetam and Idebenone are two very different compounds, which do very different things..
Idebenone is more of an antioxidant than a nootropic, and it's effects on improving Alzheimer's disease [a classic test for mind-enhancement] is sporadic at best. Piracetam, whilst not the strongest nootropic out there, is clinically proven to improve cognition in otherwise healthy individuals.
-Rowesk

>>2002
OP here, not Rowesk for the record and I am happy to see him commenting here. Sage because well, I'm not adding anything, but am currently out of piracetam (waiting for mine to be shipped) and just using aniracetam, not as nice as piracetam though. I did an exam on friday after using it to revise and attack dosing before the exam, definitely helped me.

>>2011
I just sent you an email through your site brah.

>>1994
Will do. Been on Aniracetam instead of Piracetam this week so I'll talk about that too.

>>2015
Replied :)
I should be getting some nefiracetam sometime in the near future [hopefully before the end of the month]. It's *FAR* more powerful than even pramiracetam and there's a few trials on PubMed that show it to have long-term effects on cognition.
Anyone interested in the stronger -racetams, or are you guys sticking with pira because it's insanely cheap?
-Rowesk

>>2017
I ordered some prami from you I think.
I suspect that like myself, other britfa.gs prone to trying strange drugs probably have a limited budget.

>>2011 piracetam improves glutamate's influence on AMPA receptors, that increases the growth of neirons indirectly. idebenon improves synthesis of NGF (Nerve Growth Factor), that increases the growth of neirons directly. therefore, the best effect of idebenon is a very quick effect (less than an hour). NGF nootropics preparates like cerebrolizin are well-known in Russia from 1952, but japanese idebenon is better coz cerebrolizin needs injections.

>>2019
True, but that's not the only pathway piracetam acts upon. It upregulates several types of acetylcholine receptors [ACh is the main neurotransmitter involved in working memory] and increases the brain's oxygen consumption by increasing ATP turnover.
Comparing piracetam and idebenone because they both have an effect on NGF is like comparing plaited nasal hair and an open fondness for anime porn because they both turn women away [neither of which I have any experience with, I might add]. It makes sense to draw comparisons, but not to generalize and say one is stronger than the other. At increasing NGF sure, but as a cognitive enhancer, nope..
-Rowesk

>>2019
NEURONS DAMMIT! IT'S SPELT NEURONS! I find it hard to take your post seriously when you can't spell a simple word like NEURONS!

>>2019
Also nerves hate to grow, they detest it. Memories aren't formed and kept by nerves growing more, they are caused by Hebbian synapses and the involment of multiple NEURONS being stimulated together.

>>2019
Just been told you're a russian, sorry for the rudeness about your spelling, but I still stand by my science.

>>2020
Great store and communication, I recommend any other britfa.gs looking to buy head to enhanced minds.

>>2020
Whoever you are Rowesk, and I appreciate your posts are popular at the moment, I'm going to ban you if you keep using your name. It is against the rules of our site. That's before I even make a comment about you advertising on my site.

Be Anonymous or fuck off.

>>2025
Calm down son!

>>2026
I'm calm. He sent me a nice message.

>>2027
I just wanted an excuse to post a lovely beedog.

Beedogs.

Beedo.gs

>>1993
>I've heard that there are withdrawal effects on some people when coming off 2g+ a day.
You heard wrong. That's physically impossible. Christ.

>>2028
WTF are beedogs? I mean I can see and everything, but just what the fuck?

>>2029
I just came off a much higher dose than 2g (stupid me ran out, but getting some more soon!) and no withdrawal effects for me, aside from the feeling of being on 'tam going away.

Also: bdo.gs

>>1962 here. Does this gear encourage new patterns of thought, more complex renditions of extant patterns of thought, or, for example, a higher thought-rate?

Does it change you regarding your mental habits, as it were, or merely accelerate them?

What evidence do you have that the drugs make you more intelligent? How would you know?

Question for you guys: what do you think of this:http://www.americannutrition.com/store/brain-vigor.html
It seems to have the piracetam and the choline in and isn't that expensive with shipping.

>>2032
That dog distresses me.

>>2042 choline is very helpful for intensive learning

>>2048

Cheers for the repsonse, I ended up getting Pyritinol, Choline and Piracetam from them instead after reading
http://www.imminst.org/forum/index.php?s=eaab23882cb42175fcf9e42ab7c1d021&showtopic=36691

It came to about $85 w/shipping and it ends up about $1 per day as some last longer than others.

>>2033
It bothers me no-one has responded to this in any way. It's a good point.

>>2052

My response is to say that I took Piracetam for a while, and noticed no difference at all.

>>2033
"Does this gear encourage new patterns of thought, more complex renditions of extant patterns of thought, or, for example, a higher thought-rate?"

Yes to all three.
Many nootropics [noots/noops] cause an increase in inter-neuronal or synaptic placticity, allowing them to release the neurotransmitters they need across the synapse more quickly and potently, or vary the distance between them, speeding up thought. Aniracetam, for example, initiates growth of more fibres across the corpus callosum, increasing the working relationship between the left and right side of the brain. This increases not only creativity, but verbal fluency and motor skills too - a 'side-effect' that is somewhat permanent. Speaking of permanent, nefiracetam has been shown to increase the complexity of thought in rat and mouse studies, for a long time after administration. Obviously that doesn't perfectly translate to humans, but it's as close as they could get it - and nefi is safe, in Stage II clinical trials as we speak.

"Does it change you regarding your mental habits, as it were, or merely accelerate them? "

I wouldn't say they completely change the habits you've taken a lifetime to form, but it can add weight to other patterns of thought through physiology, e.g. ani increases creativity, reduces anxiety and increases memory encoding and retrieval. Such things may not be able to change the fundamental way you think, but will certainly influence it.


"What evidence do you have that the drugs make you more intelligent? How would you know"

Some of these drugs have been studied for four decades *because* they improve cognition. Just search PubMed for 'piracetam'. The 'litmus test' for drugs increasing cognitive skills seems to be how they perform alleviating Alzheimer's, since it's a disease involving poor memory function.
Memory recall and verbal fluency seems to be the thing most people notice first when on the stronger racetams. I guess if you wanted to test it out for yourself, you could try an IQ test beforehand, and one after a week/few days on the noops, but if you're not stimulating your brain with problems and work, you won't get the best results - similar to how muscles won't grow well/significantly without the stimulus of lifting weights, your brain won't benefit much from just taking the drugs and sitting in a chair, watching tv all day long.

btw, nootropics are only accelerators, you must want to learn

What happens if you snort this stuff? Pramiractam, for example.

>>2060
I'll answer this for myself: Not a whole lot other than watering eyes

>>2062
You madman! I've tried sniffing vinpocetine. Worst idea I had in years. It's the most horrible tasting powder I think I've ever tried - worse than prami - and it just hangs around for ages. All I could smell for a couple of days was that effing vinpo!

I bet all this pansy powder isn't a patch on Doug Rocket's regime.

Has anyone here tried modafinil?

>>2079

Speedy.

>>2080

Oh, and if your girlfriend is on hormonal contraception, don't let her have any. It makes babies appear.

>>2055

I'm modifying this response. I still had loads lying around after I stopped taking it before, I've been having trouble getting work finished lately and this thread made me think I may as well give it a crack once again.

It's been about a week and a half now, and it's impossible to deny that I'm getting more work done. I don't feel "smarter" but I do feel more able to concentrate and a bit more clear headed while working. My mind had previously been wandering all over the place and getting easily fatigued, and it's a pleasant surprise to find that not happening in the last couple of days.

As an aside, I also feel pleasantly sensitive to light and am seeing colours quite vividly in the same way I have felt on lots of recreational drugs before. A mild but absolutely noticeable difference.

>>2102
To save anyone wondering, I confirm that is the same ip on both posts.

>>2102

I like the sound of the light thing. I'm about to start taking a low dosage with my boyfriend - he is not really a drug user, I am probably medium to occasionally heavy (couple of times a week when I have it, which is often-ish now, though that is all since I don't smoke weed anymore) so we shall see how it goes.

Also I am about to try my first dose whilst fucked on methylone. I'll see if it makes a difference!

>>2102
I noticed the light thing too, when I'm outside walking around everything looks crisp and beautiful, but I think that might have more to do with the mood lift.

>>2107

I decided I really didn't like pirecetam after all. Every time I took it resulted in large amounts of agitation and anxiety - and no sleep at all - when I started getting chest pains three days in I dropped it straight away.

I have quite interesting and perhaps slightly unique head chemistry to begin with - I react slightly differently to many recreational drugs and if there is a rare and bizarre side-effect to psych medication, I WILL be the one that gets it - so perhaps this is why. I think if I had started on a much lower dose it may have been more tolerable to start with; as it is I will accept that this one is not for me.

My idiot boyfriend has been put off somewhat by taking quite a large amount and forgetting where I left the choline.

Is anyone else able to comment on pirecetam?
I like the sound of it if it aids concentration and is safe.

I keep reading people claiming it has no effect though...

>>2439

I'm leaning towards that train of thought now. I'm around 8-10g a day at the moment and I can't notice anything consistently better than usual.
I am working more but that's because I left my 3000 word essay til the day before the deadline. Probably has little to do with the piracetam.

>>2440
I'm on Aniracetam and find it makes a noticable difference.
I don't believe it to be a placebo effect, so whether it is or not, to me, is a moot point.

Still taking the stuff and I'm getting the benefits you would hope for. I just finished an exam which I studied basically non-stop for from 10PM last night until midday today, then a three hour exam and I still feel fine, not mentally drained at all.

I strongly doubt it's a placebo for me, given that I thought it was bollocks and would in no way work.

>>2443
Yeah. I've tried piracetam, aniracetam and pramiracetam. Piracetams effects are barely noticable conciously but my long-term behaviour continued to improve while on it. After switching to others there's a noticable difference in ease of thought after a dose. I presume my general behaviour is also still affected.

>>2446

I think I must agree on the lack of short term effects but increase in performance over time, although since it's not that obvious, I may just be noticing particlarly witty things more often and just be placeboing. I think it did overall help me with my exam though.