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|>>|| No. 412061
Should we a) keep him alive, b) send him abroad for a 10% therapy or c) let him die?
|>>|| No. 412062
I really don't understand why, with the hundreds of seriously sick kids in the country, this one gets so much attention.
|>>|| No. 412063
I feel as though certain pro-life groups are trying to make this out to be the action of a callous and out of control cabal of doctors, which doesn't seem to be the case.
I have to confess though, not being a doctor, a judge, or a lying American pastor, I haven't followed the case with any great intrigue.
|>>|| No. 412064
Oh, and I vote "b", but only if he's forced to be the central computing unit for a hyper-advanced AI for the rest of his life.
|>>|| No. 412066
C. Last time I read he was blind, deaf and well fucked.
Don't want to come off as a 13 year old cunt but he's 1 human (Who won't really have a normal fulfilling life) all the money being spent to cover this story and to keep him alive etc could be put to better use.
Just let the poor bastard die and be done with it, Yes its a tragic loss to his parents but life goes on.
|>>|| No. 412067
Representatives of Great Ormond Street Hospital have testified that Charlie Gard has irreparable brain damage and will be permanently blind, deaf, unable to make purposeful movement and dependent on a respirator. They are of the opinion that, even if his life can be saved by an experimental treatment, his quality of life will be negligible. Evidence to the contrary has been presented by doctors who have never seen the boy.
Charlie's parents are understandably trying to remain optimistic, but there comes a point where optimism becomes delusion. They have been quoted as saying "we don't want him in the ground, we want him riding a bike", but given the extent of the brain damage described by his doctors, this is extraordinarily unlikely.
There is an element of catch-22 in this case. If Charlie has sufficient brain function to experience any sort of quality of life, then it is far more likely that he is suffering and would continue to suffer if efforts were made to prolong his life. If he is not suffering, then it is most likely because his brain is irreparably damaged.
The courts are doing exactly what they are supposed to do - make the best decision on behalf of the patient, on the best available evidence. Mr Justice Francis has clearly stated that he is open to changing his view in light of substantial new evidence, but no such evidence has been presented. The Court of Appeal, the Supreme Court and the European Court of Human Rights have all upheld the original ruling.
I do not believe that I am in any position to challenge the opinions of a team of world-leading paediatric specialists and the highest courts in the country. I sympathise with the Gard family, but I am extremely sceptical about the motivations of many of their supporters.
|>>|| No. 412069
The woman in the blue top on the right, with one hand behind her back and holding the corner of the sheet up...
She looks like she needs cheering up. I'd let her sit on my face.
|>>|| No. 412070
>Evidence to the contrary has been presented by doctors who have never seen the boy.
IIRC they've done so with the caveat that he's in a far worse state than their own patients were.
|>>|| No. 412078
Not really bothered whether he lives or dies, just want to stop hearing about it.
Though if was to be alowed to go abroad ideally it wouldn't be on government money. Let them bankrupt themselves or someone else at the altar of St. Jude. Just get it off the telly.
|>>|| No. 412079
Given how many people are getting annoyed at the publicity this case is getting, I say we offend both sides by running a public poll to decide how we kill him with some suitably creative options.
|>>|| No. 412080
According to the statement by GOSH, a doctor appointed by the Gard family did perform an assessment on Charlie in April, but came to the same conclusion as the GOSH team. The American professor who is offering the nucleoside treatment has not seen Charlie.
|>>|| No. 412081
GOSH sounds like a gay nightclub, but it's actually one of the saddest places on Earth.
|>>|| No. 412085
It's a sad case. I think Gard's parents need to move on and let him die with dignity. I don't think you can cure irreparable brain damage, with whatever experimental treatment you have. The Pope and Trump need to butt out, they don't have any medical training. The yank doctor is stepping in for financial gain/notoriety and doesn't have Charlie's best interests at heart. Why this is still going on despite numerous court cases unilaterally saying he should be able to die, is mind boggling.
good sense of humour
|>>|| No. 412091
Yeah, it's one of the saddest places on earth, I know people who work there who constantly work longer hours than paid because every case is a childs life that they find heart breaking.
|>>|| No. 412092
They're more likely to be Daily Mail readers than lefties B1064. Aren't lefties supposed to be pro-abortion white genocideists?
|>>|| No. 412093
This shouldn't be national news, let alone international, one family has a dispute with a hospital. We should simply be asking what are the political motivations that those pushing this case trying to force using emotion rather than reason.
|>>|| No. 412094
>what are the political motivations that those pushing this case trying to force using emotion rather than reason
Parental rights and religious doctrine obviously in terms of the bigger backers. This was one of the angles of the Jodie and Mary case as well.
The real reason its in the media is of course the ratings. Hence why we also have knockers in our newspapers.
|>>|| No. 412100
>Aren't lefties supposed to be pro-abortion white genocideists?
No m'8 they're them bumders that stop you saying bumder but wave bumders for Isl_am placards innit
|>>|| No. 412103
I think pissing off the hospital is the stupidest part of this case. Why do people do that? If you read their recently published position paper, it is very clear how much they care and what they have done in this case; as they say, there will be many other difficult decisions such as this one every day in hospitals across the UK and it is strange that this one is getting such attention.
My personal opinion is that they should just switch the machine off and let him die. Parents don't have an automatic right over health decisions in their children's lives and the doctors at GOSH are doing the right thing.
|>>|| No. 412104
I don't understand, and I don't want to understand. I fucking hate this shite on the news. Are they doing all this so that they can fly around the world on our taxes? Is this what it is about? Either way, I don't give a shit. They should fuck off to wherever they think he can get treated.
|>>|| No. 412105
>I don't understand, and I don't want to understand.
Sums up everything wrong with the world today really.
|>>|| No. 412106
As far as I'm aware, they got all the money they needed through donations via gofundme or a kickstarter or something.
(I also assume they're doing a good job of spending all that money on their legal fees.)
|>>|| No. 412107
Why are they going to the courts? If they can afford it, can't they just fuck off to the USA or South Africa or whatever? Or is this a shitty overreach by the state about how you can't fly with your kid any more.
Fucking twats. The lot of them. They should do the kid a favour and just turn the lights out.
There is no real point.
|>>|| No. 412139
The American doctor, who offered the treatment with the advisory that none of his previous patients were as badly affected as Charlie, has confirmed that he is indeed too far gone, and reached the same conclusion as the previous specialist and the GOSH team. The parents have dropped their challenge, and there's talk the unspent funds will go onto a foundation in Charlie's name.
|>>|| No. 412144
All that fuss over nothing. What winds me up is how they didn't jut take the doctor's words for it in the first place, as if they were just giving up on him as a cost-cutting exercise or something.
Fair enough they didn't want to give up on their kid, but equally, plenty of parents have been through the same thing. It just comes off a bit crass that they thought their kid was the special case who deserved that extra bit more time and money pouring into him than any cunt else's. And t turned out he wasn't.
Is this whole thing just an overblown case of the parents turning to Doctor Google to find an answer that say what they want to hear?
|>>|| No. 412145
>to find an answer that say what they want to hear?
To be fair, the alternative was "let's turn off your quadraspazzed son's life-glug" and no parent wants to face that if they can help it.
|>>|| No. 412146
That "alternative" was, as has now been proven, the only rational course of action, though. They were only prolonging his (and their own) suffering by pretending there was ever another choice based on something they dredged up from the internet.
I mean lets face it no doctor is perfect, but when it comes to talking out of their arse they have a much better record than Google. It proper annoys me that people ignore this fact because blah blah blah emotions.
|>>|| No. 412147
Why are older people from former commie countries so heartless.
Fuck you nan, the answer isn't "why doesn't she have more kids?"
|>>|| No. 412148
No, an entire film doesn't have the same level of pointless inanity of a cushion shaped like a dump.
Because Holodomor, you privileged little squirt! Your soft, Western, soul wouldn't know misery if it mashed your balls like a root vegetable!
She's more or less correct though, back during the BC times wee Charles would have been left on a hill and turned into raven chow weeks ago, if he was Greek anyway, and while I'm not at all suggesting we start doing that again, you either accept the inevitable and move on or fucking kill yourself, which in a roundabout way the same thing and accepting the inevitable.
|>>|| No. 412156
If you're too young to remember, Google "Romanian orphanage". People in the Eastern Bloc had hard lives, so they had no choice but to become hard people.
|>>|| No. 412164
I think it had more to do with a post-WW2 political system of USSR mandated oppression. Does a world where not everything is always alright bamboozle you that much? Because you're in one right now.
And this is the most hippie shit ever and it was those "heartless shitesters" what did it; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baltic_Way
|>>|| No. 412165
Maybe the reason for the post war economic boom in Germany is the lack of Jews, maybe the reason for the US being so successful now is the mass use of slavery. Maybe your line of logic is circular and vapid.
|>>|| No. 412168
Not to be a smartarse, but there is good evidence that a lot of America's wealth came from cotton. Textiles were like oil, and a massive unpaid labour force helping to produce it is a huge advantage which was exploited for a very long time.
|>>|| No. 412170
>Why are older people from former commie countries so heartless.
>Fuck you nan, the answer isn't "why doesn't she have more kids?"
Might it be because full serfdom and peasant-agrarian life with all that entails is a more recent memory in those countries?
|>>|| No. 412172
I've lost track. What are we having a cunt off about this time?
|>>|| No. 412174
I went to uni with a girl from Latvia. She was very pretty but seemed to have an irrational hatred of Estonians for some reason.
|>>|| No. 412176
>full serfdom and peasant-agrarian life with all that entails is a more recent memory in those countries
That is not an accurate generalisation about post-communist states, to say the least.
|>>|| No. 412177
I used to work with some Russian guys from Lithuania. They were fucking scum, I mean imagine the lowest cuntiest cunts taking joy in pain and suffering and violence, they were utter turds.
|>>|| No. 412178
I went out with a Lithuanian lass for a bit. She was pretty adamant that she wanted to 'get into' dog fighting, and also wondered if any of my rural friends might take her hare coursing or badger baiting.
She had a cracking body though. She was a dancer. I'd fight a badger myself if it meant getting hold of them thighs again.
|>>|| No. 412222
If he was going to end up a MGTOW anyway, his horrific, RNA ravaging, death sentence was a good thing for Charles after all.
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