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|>>|| No. 418316
So The Tangerine Tyrant is gracing us with his presence, on the 13th of July. Friday the 13th in fact.
Coordinated mass protests are predicted and the met has drafted in reinforcements to "balance" free speech and security.
There's the admirable "Show your rump to trump", the coordinated mooning will if nothing offend POTUS, who is a self-confessed "germa-phobe".
Then there's the venerable "giant Trump Baby balloon". Though are Sadiq has forbidden its flying. Watch this space.
Buckle up, it's going to be one helluva ride.
|>>|| No. 418564
Other lad was being deliberately slightly misleading with the way he explained the story. When Virgil wrote the text he was very deliberate in the challenges that they over come to found Rome. Enemies of the Romans had defeated in real life litter the encounters and they are rejected because their cultures are not the Romans way, the Romans are not a group that yield to others values they set the terms and their culture of laws, religion and not being afraid to fight for it is drilled in as being sacred they are uncompromising in their values.
That is what Powell probably intended in the speech. To express the need to hold on to the idea of keeping Britain British.
|>>|| No. 418569
That was hundreds of years later. And it wasn't that sudden, the romans had a culture of belief that might makes right and victory shows that the gods are in your favour, so when Constantine started winning whilst proclaiming his Christianity, the Romans considered it was a sign that was the correct belief, in many ways it is one of the smallest social shifts to happen to the romans. Especially when you consider that within 10 years of Virgil’s writing during the Roman Republic that had lasted for 500 year a man called Caser would get stabbed in the senate and a young man called Gaius Octavius Thurinus would become known simply as Augustus.
|>>|| No. 418571
Thanks lad. That's food for thought for me because while I obviously abhor the idea of the "there's gonna be a race war lads" interpretation of the phrase "Rivers of Blood", I was also largely brought up to abhor the "keep Britain British" train of thought (and to follow more of a "live and let live" philosophy) but when abroad to follow the dictum "when in Rome do as the Romans", which this obviously links back too.
Sage for confused half-nonsense posting, but thank you for your post lad.
|>>|| No. 418573
There is a hint of the race war narrative in the original at the point where Powell quoted it, but the key aspect is that it is not specific as to whose blood it is. One can assume that as this is given as a warning to Aeneas, who is an outsider, that it's not native Lavinian blood. Remember that the Aeneid is sort of an origin story for Rome (Aeneas is an ancestor of Romulus and Remus), so at the time of its setting there are no Romans yet.
General consensus among actual classicists, as opposed to us pseudo-intellectual pretenders on the internet, is that Powell's characterisation is either misleading or wildly misapprehended.
|>>|| No. 418658
Like >>418335 and others said, this is definitely a protest solely for the cause of making yourself look/feel superior. Look how clever our signs are, look how funny we are, look how righteous we are.
I'm all for protest and Trump is obviously a fuckwit, but having a 'wittiest placard' parade feels just as self serving as his twitter feed.
Apparently the giant baby thing made him feel unwelcome, so at least there's that.
|>>|| No. 418663
I don't know if it's deliberate depending on which paper each photo is destined for, or just a consequence of telephoto vs wide lens, but different images have made it look either much smaller or bigger than it really is.
It's apparently 19 foot tall.
|>>|| No. 418671
Christ. Can't wait to see this in foreigns papers with the caption 'Ordinary Brits out in force against Trump'. If the Tangerine Tyrant saw this himself you can bet he'd be even more confident than ever that he's on the right track.
|>>|| No. 418673
That you and your filthy pals wasted everyones time (including those of the police) on your nonsense that was never intended to do anything but aggravate Britain's diplomatic relations.
|>>|| No. 418675
>including those of the police
Do you suppose the police wouldn't have been knocking about for a presidential visit otherwise?
|>>|| No. 418678
Considering they have been mobilised in numbers not seen since the 2011 London riots, yes. Do you somehow think that protests don't impact police numbers?
|>>|| No. 418680
You frightened of the big scary drag queens lad?
You realise these people are out in all their finery precisely because Trump represents the kind of Christian-value fascism that considers them abominations?
|>>|| No. 418683
Dolling yourself up as a drag queen is a madcap, gender-bendery lark. They look ridiculous. This protest revolved around a depiction of Trump as someone childish and screaming for attention. Is it really a good idea to make yourself look as laughable and infantile as possible while making this parody?
If I want to make a serious point in a protest I'll dress seriously, not so everyone will instead be gawping at my 3AM Sunday Best. This doesn't do much to challenge the criticism that the protesters are just a bunch of vain, empty-headed rentamobs hoping to get instagram likes for being right-on and [i]fabulous.
|>>|| No. 418684
What does enforcing a dress code have to do with opposing bigotry and hatred? Why would anyone care what someone who wanted them to be discriminated against and to live in fear (or worse) for who they are care at all about what that person thought of their outfit?
|>>|| No. 418685
Somewhat autistic really.
'Well I for one don't think I look silly! So the millions of people I hope will watch my protest will in no way take me less seriously!'
Look, I'm sure you ended up in a few photos and enjoyed a few drinks while doing nothing that will affect Trump or his actions or his perceptions in any way whatsoever. You got what you wanted. Mission accomplished, report back to base.
|>>|| No. 418686
The reason they protested is because Trump and his ilk don't want people to be able to dress in drag or be trans or even be gay because they think it's an abomination or whatever you want to call it, so dressing like that is part of the protest, you numpty.
I honestly can't believe I've had to explain that to you.
|>>|| No. 418687
When has Trump ever said anything derogatory about drag queens then, you bigger numpty?
|>>|| No. 418689
You're still not getting it. It's a puzzle that solves itself. Anyone who would tell someone else what to wear is a person whose opinion of what people wear doesn't matter and couldn't ever matter. It's that simple.
|>>|| No. 418691
Yeah, being against Mexicans and Musulmanics roonin your country doesn't automatically mean you want to send the gays to the gas chambers.
What really makes me wonder is why there aren't more gay racists. It would be in their interests to keep eskimos and other migrants from 3rd world countries out because they tend to be deeply homophobic and their medieval ideologies don't really mix well with our progressive and wonderfully tolerant society.
|>>|| No. 418693
Have you ever heard of the gay charity Stonewall? They're named after the Stonewall Inn, a Mafia-owned gay bar in New York that became the epicentre of the first substantial protests for gay rights. The bar had been regularly and violently raided by the police, but on the 28th of June 1969, the patrons fought back. The police cleared the bar with batons, then barricaded themselves inside.
A crowd of hundreds gathered - gays, lesbians, drag queens, street kids and miscallaneous outcasts, all fighting back against the police force that had abused them time and time again. By all accounts, it was the drag queens who fought the hardest. One group formed an impromptu chorus line, dancing the can-can and singing "we are the Stonewall girls, we wear our hair in curls, we wear no underwear, we show our pubic hair".
Rioting and protests continued for several days; within a week, a group of activists formed the Gay Liberation Front, the first organisation in the world for openly gay people to fight openly for their rights. Within months, branches of the Gay Liberation Front had opened across America and Europe. A year to the day after the Stonewall riots, the first ever gay pride marches were organised in Chicago, Los Angeles and San Francisco.
We will never forget the Stonewall girls. Every LGBT person in the western world owes a debt of gratitude to the sissies and queens who landed the first blow in the fight for equality. The drag queens fought for us, so we will fight for them. If you have a problem with them, then we have a problem with you. We are not asking for your approval - we are demanding our rights.
Trump has made numerous overtly homophobic statements. His cabinet is filled with overtly homophobic staff. He has supported homophobic policies. If the queens want to protest his visit to Britain, then they have my full support.
|>>|| No. 418700
If you're always a sexual deviant even even you're not doing sexually deviant things, and when you're not you're dressed like everyone else, then that means that that's what a sexual deviant is dressed like which means everyone is always dressed like a sexual deviant.
|>>|| No. 418701
'Deviant' is a social construct, an othering term. Pride marches are, in part, to show people of diverse sexualities and genders that they aren't alone. Hence, if loads of people are being deviants then logically they can't possibly be considered deviants.
|>>|| No. 418703
You still don't get it do you? LGBT isn't about 'changing peoples minds', gay people couldn't give less of a fuck what middle american christians think of them at this point.
You are one of the people they are setting out to piss off, and it's working perfectly. You're being trolled by the gays.
|>>|| No. 418705
>Pride marches are, in part, to show people of diverse sexualities and genders that they aren't alone.
As a bi-lad Pride does more harm than good. It's brilliant at perpetuating the image that people who aren't straight are freaks and oddballs.
|>>|| No. 418711
You're probably also the bi-lad who thinks that a song that portrays bisexuality as 'being straight and having gay sex as a kink' isn't harmful so your opinions are pretty bunkum anyway.
It's apparently really important to you that you know your place as a well-behaved bisexual who can pass as straight when necessary and keep your disgusting same-sex perversions behind closed doors where it belongs.
|>>|| No. 418712
>It's apparently really important to you that you know your place as a well-behaved bisexual who can pass as straight when necessary and keep your disgusting same-sex perversions behind closed doors where it belongs
I'm a person who happens to be bisexual, rather than letting my sexuality define me.
There is a huge world of difference between unashamedly having a sexual preference for other men and walking around in public in bondage gear whilst being adorned with several plastic cocks. I have a bit of a thing for rimming but I have no desire whatsoever to wander around in public decorated with an array of puckering arseholes.
|>>|| No. 418714
>I'm a person who happens to be bisexual, rather than letting my sexuality define me.
I am a person who happens to be black, rather than letting my blackness define me.
Unfortunately, other people will define me by my blackness whether I ever decide to "play the race card" or not. I can either kid myself that they don't and sit there agreeing with the "He's alright, but why can't he shave his hair off, it'd look so much more professional" crowd doing tricks for them in the hope of winning their approval.
I can tell them to go fuck themselves and do whatever I was going to do anyway.
|>>|| No. 418716
It doesn't matter whether or not you choose to express your own sexuality in a different fashion, you should be expressing solidarity with your community, not divisively pouring scorn on it. Because you know damn well they will come for you next.
|>>|| No. 418721
They're not 'his community' though, they're just other people who happen to be bisexual.
Who is 'they' anyway?
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