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>> No. 2987 Anonymous
18th March 2015
Wednesday 1:05 am
2987 Rough Sleeper
There's a lad passed out in a doorway on my street who I went past as I was walking home. He doesn't look homeless and looks more like he just got locked out - it's a very quiet area around here and I didn't want to wake him up. I went and put an old blanket over him but it is quite chilly and I wondered what the risk of him getting hypothermia was. He's in a nice big puffy jacket and gloves so he seems nicely wrapped up, but it can't be warm on the concrete.

Should I do more?
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>> No. 2988 Anonymous
18th March 2015
Wednesday 1:40 am
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If you're worried, dial 101 and report it to the police. They would rather have a wasted journey checking over some pissed lad than spend the morning dealing with a fatality.
>> No. 2989 Anonymous
18th March 2015
Wednesday 2:28 am
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>>2988
Yeah, I called it in and the lady on the end of the phone said she'd ask one of the police cars in the area on patrol to take a look at him. Hopefully I won't wake up to a frozen corpse being found on my street in the morning. Especially as he's under my blanket.
>> No. 2990 Anonymous
18th March 2015
Wednesday 11:56 am
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Police are useless, they are the people you're 'supposed to' contact, but in practice they just look for a reason to arrest the person and chuck em in the cells. Is he drunk? Is he on drugs? Is he violent? Is he refusing to move? etc. No concern for their welfare. He'll be gone when you go back to check but it won't have been a happy ending.
>> No. 2991 Anonymous
18th March 2015
Wednesday 12:01 pm
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>>2990
You mean he's lost his blanket?
>> No. 2992 Anonymous
18th March 2015
Wednesday 12:47 pm
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>>2990
> He'll be gone when you go back to check but it won't have been a happy ending.

Bloody police these days, can't even be bothered to jerk off rough sleepers.
>> No. 2993 Anonymous
18th March 2015
Wednesday 1:11 pm
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>>2990

I think you're being unfair. Some cops are pricks, others are perfectly decent people. I was homeless for a time, and had a lot of contact with the police. Some gave me a bit of hassle, but others were really nice and went out of their way to help me. I worried about private security guards and drunken idiots, but not the police.

In my experience, most people who complain about the police are just wrong'uns who feel like they have the right to act with impunity. If you break the law a lot but don't think you've done anything wrong, then of course you're going to think that the police are just looking for excuses to lock people up. There are some legitimate problems with policing in this country, but on the whole our cops act with remarkable restraint.
>> No. 2994 Anonymous
18th March 2015
Wednesday 1:30 pm
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>>2993
Well of course our police are going to come out looking like saints if you're going to compare them on an international level...
>> No. 2995 Anonymous
18th March 2015
Wednesday 4:39 pm
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>>2994
>>2993

At least it's not the town militia beating you up and taking your coinpurse, you don't know how good we have things in modern Britain!
>> No. 2996 Anonymous
18th March 2015
Wednesday 5:01 pm
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>>2995>>2994
Are you two seriously going to claim that UK police are bad?

Oh, lads, if you had any idea.
>> No. 2997 Anonymous
18th March 2015
Wednesday 5:07 pm
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>>2996
Yes, I am. And if your response is that they have it so much worse in foreign countries, then you haven't understood what I said in >>2994. The point is that police everywhere are pretty bad. Just because we have some of the best doesn't make them lovely lads.
>> No. 2998 Anonymous
18th March 2015
Wednesday 5:11 pm
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>>2997

You don't know nice police until you've met Dutch police. They're even called politie ffs.
>> No. 3001 Anonymous
18th March 2015
Wednesday 5:48 pm
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>>2997
They are good, you cretinous fucking moron. They do a decent job and our country is a better place for them. I eagerly await your protestations that they're all bacon munching fascists who jump at the opportunity to trample over your civil liberties at every opportunity...
>> No. 3002 Anonymous
18th March 2015
Wednesday 5:52 pm
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>>3001
And yes, I repeated myself, you drove me to it by being such an unbearable, Guardian-overdosing twatsponge.
>> No. 3003 Anonymous
18th March 2015
Wednesday 5:58 pm
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>>3001
Sorry lad didn't mean to insult ARE BOYS.

What's 'bacon-munching' supposed to mean?
>> No. 3004 Anonymous
18th March 2015
Wednesday 6:01 pm
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>>3003
Oh edgelad, you could at least do some research into filth-bashing before you start lecturing us on how much better off we'd be without police.
>> No. 3005 Anonymous
18th March 2015
Wednesday 6:08 pm
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>>3004

I'm not sure why they'd choose ostensible cannibalism.
>> No. 3006 Anonymous
18th March 2015
Wednesday 6:10 pm
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>>3005
its dem pigs bruv won't give a man just looking for some rice any peace.
>> No. 3007 Anonymous
18th March 2015
Wednesday 6:21 pm
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>>3004
I said no such thing. Go back to sleep lad, you're rambling.
>> No. 3008 Anonymous
18th March 2015
Wednesday 6:41 pm
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>>2993
Not the fucking Met.
>> No. 3009 Anonymous
18th March 2015
Wednesday 6:50 pm
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Last experience I had with the feds was 6 of em jumping out of a riot van claiming I'd done all sorts because I was walking through a car park back to my hotel with my mate at 6am. The majority of my experiences have been similar.

Good job I started barking PACE1984 and kept my gurn in tow.
>> No. 3011 Anonymous
18th March 2015
Wednesday 7:09 pm
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>>3007
So the police are 'bad', but we'd not be better off without them. You're pretty clearly a very 'political' sort who's thought a lot about this, so please explain your reasoning, comrade. It is your revolutionary duty.
>> No. 3013 Anonymous
18th March 2015
Wednesday 7:16 pm
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>>3009
Would I be correct in assuming that you're a coloured gentleman?
>> No. 3014 Anonymous
18th March 2015
Wednesday 8:33 pm
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>>3008

Fair enough, the Met are twats.
>> No. 3015 Anonymous
18th March 2015
Wednesday 9:27 pm
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>>3013
He must be; he called them 'feds'.
>> No. 3016 Anonymous
18th March 2015
Wednesday 9:27 pm
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>>3013
You'd think, with that reception.
>> No. 3017 Anonymous
18th March 2015
Wednesday 9:36 pm
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>>3011
It's not a difficult concept to grasp lad. Can the army be bad without wanting to abolish it? The government? The post office? The bus service? The weather? Yeah, it was raining today so obviously I don't want it to ever rain again.

I suggest you take my earlier suggestion of a good kip, might sort you out.
>> No. 3018 Anonymous
18th March 2015
Wednesday 9:40 pm
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>>3013
Not him, but I am. They used to stop and search me at every chance they got. Even early in the mornings as I made my way to uni.

Now that I avoid them, and public transport, they keep stopping me while driving because "a suspicious vehicle that looks like mine had been reported to them." It gets embarrassing when the same cunt stops you two or three times.
>> No. 3023 Anonymous
19th March 2015
Thursday 12:57 am
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I like how this thread blew up on some tedious rehashed tangential police-bashing, but absolutely none of you give a sod about a lad sleeping outside in the cold.

Either way, I didn't wake up to my gossipy neighbour telling me about a frozen corpse being found, so it seems like it all ended well. Except for my blanket. That's gone forever. And none of you even bloody care.
>> No. 3024 Anonymous
19th March 2015
Thursday 1:18 am
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>>3023

Don't be such a wet blanket.
>> No. 3025 Anonymous
19th March 2015
Thursday 1:22 am
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>>3023

It's a semi-interesting anecdote, at least. Oh, what a caper.
>> No. 3027 Anonymous
19th March 2015
Thursday 6:52 am
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>>3017
>It's not a difficult concept to grasp lad.
A. This isn't a 'concpt', and B. Your lazy clichés betray your teenladdishness.

>Can the army be bad without wanting to abolish it? The government? The post office? The bus service? The weather?

Er, no. Something is either a net plus for society, like the police, or a net minus. The police are clearly a net plus, and they're a lot better than they used to be, which will probably improve in the future, which will be to blacklad's advantage. You are just being a moaning, ignorant moron.
>> No. 3029 Anonymous
19th March 2015
Thursday 11:25 am
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>>3001
Behold, exhibit A: https://www.youtube.com/v/HECMVdl-9SQ

Do you want me to find more instances of police brutality?

What about the incompetent surveillance, that ultimately led to Jean Charles de Menezez's death?
>> No. 3030 Anonymous
19th March 2015
Thursday 11:29 am
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>>3029

A human being committed an act of brutality, ergo all of humanity is contemptible and should be abolished.
>> No. 3031 Anonymous
19th March 2015
Thursday 12:41 pm
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>>3030
When you apply it to racial minorities it's called 'profiling' and is deplored, but when some teenlad starts slating the police based on minority behaviour, that's all alright.

Can't be fun, being in the filth. You must get this shit every fucking day.
>> No. 3032 Anonymous
19th March 2015
Thursday 1:16 pm
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>>3031

What annoys me is that blanket condemnation of the police gets in the way of real reform efforts. Saying "the metropolitan police are still institutionally racist in many respects" or "there is an increasing over-reliance on tasers as a primary tool rather than a last resort" gives us a specific, actionable grievance that can be resolved. Dismissing all police officers as thugs and casting the institution as beyond reform is a tacit endorsement of their failings. We can't usefully address what the police get wrong if we don't acknowledge what they get right.
>> No. 3033 Anonymous
19th March 2015
Thursday 1:23 pm
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>>3030
Nice strawman.This is my first post in this thread regarding the police. I have not made any claims about the police being abolished. My post was made in reference to this line:

> They are good, you cretinous fucking moron.

in >>3001
>> No. 3034 Anonymous
19th March 2015
Thursday 5:32 pm
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>>3032
Police get a shit deal. They're under-funded, undermanned, and expected to be a combined human rights lawyer, social worker, security guard and to put their lives on the line for a public who either pay them no attention or bollock them for being hateful fascist murderers. The police I know are a good, if exasperated bunch, and are a real credit to this country. You never see the police haters offering real solutions or joining the police to change it from within, that would be too much hard work.
>> No. 3035 Anonymous
19th March 2015
Thursday 7:21 pm
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>>3034
To make matters worse, when their deal gets particularly shit, they're not allowed to take industrial action of any kind. The best they can manage is passive resistance to 'force activity surveys'.
>> No. 3036 Anonymous
20th March 2015
Friday 12:47 am
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I think the police have a lot of mental health clients to deal with which they shouldn't have to.

However, my personal experience with the police has been overall awful. The worst example is that our house was robbed when I was 13, the police couldn't figure out whodunnit, I found out it was my friend's brother through 13 year old gossip, confronted him, he returned the stuff. My parents then phoned the police to tell them we had solved it ourselves, they came round, took statements, took the returned stuff off us 'for evidence' and we never saw it again. We chased up on it, and the same officer who took the stuff off us after we had it returned from the culprit dealt with our claim himself, and found that he never took anything. I was 13 at the time, and my parents were stupid, so now I'm 25 it's probably not worth chasing up.

That's my worst experience with the police, and we were the victims.

I follow the local police on Twitter now, along with police bloggers, Nightjack, and a few anti-police types.

My general impression is that the individuals who make up the police are well-meaning, and are themselves concerned subjects. However, the police as a group have a pack psychology, use the same terminology as oppressed minorities, and follow an unquestioning theology of morality (they always seem to find cannabis possession/consumption a black and white issue as ALWAYS EVIL, for example). I do sympathise with the mental health issues the police have to deal with, but rather than blaming the NHS, I think it would be easier if the police just got some MH training. I also find it uncomfortable when police find Mental Health people a burden, but not the free-will criminals. And when they talk about being assaulted while they are the ones trying to confine a mental health patient to a cell which is below legal standards.

tl:dr, My opinion of the attitude of the police is that they are never wrong; they are either correct or an oppressed, misunderstood minority. But something needs to be done about Mental Health.
>> No. 3037 Anonymous
20th March 2015
Friday 1:08 am
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>>3036
I forget which particular force it is, but I recall hearing about one which was trialling the idea of mental health teams. If they get a call and there's an indication that someone's not quite right, then instead of dispatching a pair of plod they'll send a unit of three or four officers with a social worker and a mental health professional in tow. The officers will have had some basic training and as the situation develops they'll be advised by their civilian colleagues on how to handle things. The idea is that uniform handle the immediate situation while the support people actually process them, with a view to handing them off to the health service. It seems to be working pretty well so far.
>> No. 3039 Anonymous
20th March 2015
Friday 1:18 am
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>>3036
British citizens are not subjects.
https://www.gov.uk/types-of-british-nationality/british-subject
>> No. 3040 Anonymous
20th March 2015
Friday 1:21 am
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>>3039
Thanks for the irrelevant pedantry. It's what makes us, us.
>> No. 3041 Anonymous
20th March 2015
Friday 1:32 am
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>>3040
Believe it or not, I proffered the correction not to be a dick or to feel superior, but because it's something I think a lot of people might not know.

I learnt something too, though now I'm left with more questions. See picture.
>> No. 3042 Anonymous
20th March 2015
Friday 1:38 am
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>>3041
Is this where we make some joke involving calling you a bastard?
>> No. 3043 Anonymous
20th March 2015
Friday 9:27 am
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>>3041

Referring to your image, it's almost a trick question because it's only asking if at least one of your parents was residing in the UK. British citizenship is more complex than it really has the right to be but if at least one of your parents was British and you were born in Britain then you most likely are British too.

I do remember some mess about some children of British couples born abroad not meeting the criteria for citizenship, and a big furore over the fact that some of these children had been born abroad because the couples had been abroad on military service.
>> No. 3044 Anonymous
20th March 2015
Friday 10:03 am
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>>3043
On the ONS maps of 'foreign born residents' there's a big splurge of German borns somewhere in west Yorkshire. I'm assuming that's military kids but quite why they're all in that one place I haven't worked out.
>> No. 3045 Anonymous
20th March 2015
Friday 6:19 pm
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>>3044

That big RAF place with all the golf balls, I'm going to make a complete guess and say some of the chaps who were based there may have been based in West Germany back when, or something like that.

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