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>> No. 3295 Anonymous
4th July 2015
Saturday 5:46 pm
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Hi all, I was hoping for a few pointers. I'm looking to get into some sort of shape that isn't a pear, however it's not as simple as 'dont eat' (or maybe it is?) A list of requirements through one thing or another would be:
-diabetic friendly
-arthritis friendly
-vegan friendly
It's a lot to ask but I imagine I'm not a lost cause. Currently weighing in at 17st2lbs, and I'd be aiming for about 14.
Anything is appreciated, be it exercise advise or recipes.
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>> No. 3296 Anonymous
4th July 2015
Saturday 5:57 pm
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>>3295

Am I right to be inferring from this that you're a 17st diabetic vegan? Or do you mean you want to go vegan?
>> No. 3297 Anonymous
4th July 2015
Saturday 6:19 pm
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Oh, wait, that Harry Potter doesn't just have big pecs, he actually has breasts. Very well then.
>> No. 3298 Anonymous
4th July 2015
Saturday 7:11 pm
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>>3295

Eat less. If you are 3 stone over weight, you are eating too much. I don't blame you, most people do. Work out the ideal weight for a person of your height and use the BMR + exercise calorie burn as the target amount of calories you should eat, then count meticulously what you eat, and calories you burn, don't use an average calculation for exercise, use one that takes into account your weight.

Losing weight properly takes a long time, 3 stone at reasonable rates of loss is going to take the better part of a year, with the largest losses at the beginning and slowing down as you reach a healthy weight. I could give you more detail OP but I would need to know your height.
>> No. 3299 Anonymous
4th July 2015
Saturday 7:31 pm
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>>3298

I really want to counter that advice and start the "not all calories are identical" discussion, but I know it's a complete waste of time and inevitably leads to a complete cunt off.

I hope this counts as the middle ground, OP, please don't try and count your calories or make a conscious attempt at eating "less". Concentrate on eating the right things. Cut out sugar completely (except whole fruit and vegetables), cut down on processed starches, and eat as much fibre as possible. Fibre is massively neglected by people who are dieting for weight loss but it makes so much difference, fibre regulates your appetite, helps regulate blood sugar levels, and contributes to lowering LDL cholesterol and triglycerides.
>> No. 3300 Anonymous
4th July 2015
Saturday 8:06 pm
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>>3298
I'd say he's more than 3 stone overweight. I'm 5'11" and I tend to hover between 12 and 13 stone and I'm overweight.
>> No. 3301 Anonymous
4th July 2015
Saturday 8:08 pm
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Could you go raw? Raw youtubers look like anorexic crackheads. You don't automatically get thin being a regular vegan if you overdo carbs, white flour and sugar.
>> No. 3302 Anonymous
4th July 2015
Saturday 8:10 pm
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>>3300

Unless he's 7 foot something.
>> No. 3303 Anonymous
4th July 2015
Saturday 8:41 pm
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>>3302
So, basically, these guys are all obese?
>> No. 3304 Anonymous
4th July 2015
Saturday 8:51 pm
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>>3303

It's well-known those BMI calculators get very inaccurate for anyone muscular.
>> No. 3305 Anonymous
4th July 2015
Saturday 8:59 pm
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>>3303
No, those are athletes. OP is apparently pear shaped and arthritic, so I'm guessing he is not.
>> No. 3306 Anonymous
4th July 2015
Saturday 9:38 pm
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>>3299

I'm afraid your bullshitology will enviably lead to a cunt off between us. You can be as polite as you like about it but you are spouting garbage.


People get fat because they eat too much for the energy they use the same way your bank balance gets bigger if you earn more and spend less. It isn't a great mystery. The fact that the energy is converted in your body in different ways is irrelevant the point is if there is too much of it your body will store it, and if there isn't enough your body will start consuming it's self and shutting down (you will consume your own blubber and muscle and your metabolism will slow), there is no other way about it.
>> No. 3307 Anonymous
4th July 2015
Saturday 9:58 pm
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>>3306
>the same way your bank balance gets bigger if you earn more and spend less.
Not him, but this is the sort of logic employed by idiots who think deficit spending is evil. To be fair, you initiated the cunt-off here.
>> No. 3308 Anonymous
4th July 2015
Saturday 10:06 pm
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>>3306

This is the body of a man whose daily diet includes 4,500 calories worth of energy drinks and refined carbohydrates.
>> No. 3309 Anonymous
4th July 2015
Saturday 10:12 pm
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>>3308
I don't know whether you're trying to support his argument or contradict it? That's at the extreme end of the bell curve.
>> No. 3310 Anonymous
4th July 2015
Saturday 10:13 pm
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>>3308

I don't think most people burn off as many calories as endurance cyclists.
>> No. 3311 Anonymous
4th July 2015
Saturday 10:20 pm
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>>3308
... Go on?
>> No. 3312 Anonymous
4th July 2015
Saturday 10:22 pm
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>>3308

That's his body but where's he?
>> No. 3313 Anonymous
4th July 2015
Saturday 10:45 pm
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>>3306
Let's assume that you're right, the only factor in weight gain/loss is energy out/energy in. Even then, the amount you eat only contributes a small part to the question.

If you change what you eat, you can change the in/out equation in other ways.

If you eat the right things you will be less hungry and eat less overall. Conversely, the wrong type of foods bypass the bodys methods of sensing satiety, and some even actively make you hungrier. Once you make the initial step of changing the types of foods, then the energy-in will reduce with little to no need for any willpower.

If you have the right amounts of vitamins minerals and macro nutrients, your body will work better as a whole, you will move more, and even whilst still your baseline metabolism will increase, hence your energy-out will increase. On the other hand, sugary and starchy foods will induce lethargy, they will make you less physically active and hence reduce your energy-out.
>> No. 3314 Anonymous
4th July 2015
Saturday 10:54 pm
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>>3313
Sorry if this seems like gibberish, it is past my bedtime.
>> No. 3315 Anonymous
4th July 2015
Saturday 11:09 pm
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>>3306

> The fact that the energy is converted in your body in different ways is irrelevant the point is if there is too much of it your body will store it, and if there isn't enough your body will start consuming it's self and shutting down (you will consume your own blubber and muscle and your metabolism will slow), there is no other way about it.

The whole point of dieting correctly is to induce your body into consuming your "blubber", as you put it, and not your muscles. The most common mistake people make is to assume that all extra energy is stored as fat and that all energy deficit is accounted for by fat burning. Weight loss that isn't fat loss is probably more unhealthy for you than just staying fat.
>> No. 3316 Anonymous
4th July 2015
Saturday 11:15 pm
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After studying Chemical Engineering at Uni, and applying the laws of thermodynamics on my own body and losing 60lbs, I find these conversations very, very funny. Not that long ago I used to find them frustrating at all the lies people sell, but hey there are winners and losers in life.
>> No. 3317 Anonymous
4th July 2015
Saturday 11:18 pm
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>>3315
Your body starts eating up muscle instead of fat only when you start becoming too skinny. For the average fat bastard, he could sit on his couch day and night and lose a giant bf% just by eating less.

We have an obesity epidemic because of people like you.
>> No. 3318 Anonymous
4th July 2015
Saturday 11:24 pm
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>>3316
After studying physics at uni and then applying a simple diet where I eat until I'm full but just don't eat shit food, I find these conversations very, very funny. Not that long ago, I used to find them frustrating at all of the drastic oversimplifications people sell, but hey, there are winners and losers in life.

You're a knob.
>> No. 3319 Anonymous
4th July 2015
Saturday 11:27 pm
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>>3318
After studying the humanities at uni then applying a post-modern filter to this conversation I find them triggering. You're all obsessed with poisonous body-image issues when you should just be accepting of each other and admit you find the morbidly obese healthy and sexy, but hey, there are winners and losers in life.
>> No. 3320 Anonymous
4th July 2015
Saturday 11:29 pm
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>>3316
Looks like you should have studied English m7.
>> No. 3321 Anonymous
4th July 2015
Saturday 11:55 pm
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>>3317

> Your body starts eating up muscle instead of fat only when you start becoming too skinny.

> We have an obesity epidemic because of people like you.

You should look into insulin resistance sometime, you might learn something.
>> No. 3322 Anonymous
5th July 2015
Sunday 12:54 am
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>>3313
The point you are missing here is that peoples stomachs stretch to accommodate more food because they over eat, you need to feel hungry for a bit for your stomach to reduce to a size where it is comfortable consuming an appropriate level of food. food has not been getting more calorific as much as portion size has been increasing. There is a reason surgeons give gastric bands.

>Once you make the initial step of changing the types of foods, then the energy-in will reduce with little to no need for any willpower.

So my position is that you continue eating the same thing but in smaller amount and your stomach will reduce in size after a week or 2 and it becomes comfortable and your position is that people scrap their normal food and eat muesli for breakfast lunch and dinner everyday for months, and you think your method is going to require less willpower?
>> No. 3323 Anonymous
5th July 2015
Sunday 1:09 am
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>>3316
>applying the laws of thermodynamics on my own body
So, you discovered it was not a perpetual motion machine?
>> No. 3325 Anonymous
5th July 2015
Sunday 2:57 am
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I know this American woman from work and on her social media she really pimps Plexus which is an appetite suppressant / multi-level marketing scheme. I wouldn't fool around with either of those things but she lost a lot of weight on it. I don't know if it's available here, or something similar.
>> No. 3326 Anonymous
5th July 2015
Sunday 6:25 am
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WGLwzbvx4S4

A calorie from a lettuce is the same as a calorie from fried chips.
>> No. 3327 Anonymous
5th July 2015
Sunday 6:27 am
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>>3322
>The point you are missing here is that peoples stomachs stretch to accommodate more food because they over eat

No it doesn't.
The stomach always returns to its original size once emtpy, there is never any permanent stretching. Even in people who have a naturally larger stomach, there is absolutely no change to satiety.


>So my position is that you continue eating the same thing but in smaller amount and your stomach will reduce in size after a week or 2 and it becomes comfortable and your position is that people scrap their normal food and eat muesli for breakfast lunch and dinner everyday for months, and you think your method is going to require less willpower?
Yes, much less.
People who just try to eat less of the same thing, generally fail. If you decide "I'm just going to eat one pop-tart every day instead of the whole box" Then every single day you are going to be hit with the same cravings, your satiety mechanisms wont be kicking in to make you want to stop, your insulin resistance will still be sky high. It takes a huge amount of willpower every single day, for as long as you stick to it. If you cut out the sugar completely and replace it with something that's actually nutritious, a multitude of both physiological and psychological factors kick in. For the first three weeks, cutting out sugar completely takes less power than "just one a day", and after three weeks the need for willpower disappears completely.


Also please give up the comma diet, it really isn't working for you.
>> No. 3329 Anonymous
5th July 2015
Sunday 10:58 am
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>>3327

>there is never any permanent stretching.

Of course there isn't permanment otherwise there would be no point in reducing portion size and my point would be invalid, why are you repeating what I just said, as if it make my point wrong.

Stomach do stretch over time if you eat more than you should and it affects your hunger, and does not instantly return to normal size, any competitive eater could confirm this for you.

>Even in people who have a naturally larger stomach, there is absolutely no change to satiety.

well we both know that is bullshit. the people on 'my 600 pound life' are clearly eating many times as much as they should, it isn't just that their food is calorific, the volume is many times more than a person should eat.

>your satiety mechanisms wont be kicking in to make you want to stop, your insulin resistance will still be sky high. It takes a huge amount of willpower every single day, for as long as you stick to it. If you cut out the sugar completely and replace it with something that's actually nutritious, a multitude of both physiological and psychological factors kick in. For the first three weeks, cutting out sugar completely takes less power than "just one a day", and after three weeks the need for willpower disappears completely.

So when I propose a method that affects insulin production, it is wrong and doomed to fail because no one will manage a few weeks, but when you propose a method that affects insulin production, it is fine and will succeed because everyone can manage a few weeks? is that the long-and the short of it?

I'd also like to ask you, what makes you think overweight people aren't already eatting the 'correct foods', just too much of it? or is it impossible for people to eat too much of your magic foods?
>> No. 3330 Anonymous
5th July 2015
Sunday 11:37 am
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>>3329

> I'd also like to ask you, what makes you think overweight people aren't already eatting the 'correct foods', just too much of it? or is it impossible for people to eat too much of your magic foods?

Not him and you're obviously being facetious, but I'd love to see someone try to get fat on broccoli.
>> No. 3331 Anonymous
5th July 2015
Sunday 11:49 am
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>>3326
That's like saying a pound in your bank account is the same as a pound made up of small change in your pocket, which is demonstrably false.
>> No. 3332 Anonymous
5th July 2015
Sunday 1:28 pm
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>>3331
A unit of energy is a unit of energy.
>> No. 3333 Anonymous
5th July 2015
Sunday 1:29 pm
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>>3332
As your mum will attest, a shag is a shag.
>> No. 3334 Anonymous
5th July 2015
Sunday 1:38 pm
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>>3330

As far as I am concerned 'he' is oppertating from a premise that the reason people get fat is from eatting the 'wrong foods', not from over eating I want to try explore the edges of that premise and see what the response is.
>> No. 3335 Anonymous
5th July 2015
Sunday 1:52 pm
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>>3334
The premise is that eating the wrong foods will lead to overeating.
>> No. 3336 Anonymous
5th July 2015
Sunday 1:56 pm
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>>3335

so you can't over eat the 'right foods' or is it just less likely?
>> No. 3337 Anonymous
5th July 2015
Sunday 1:58 pm
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>>3336
Far less likely. Go steam yourself a full plate of veg and see how full you feel after it compared to a full plate of chips.
>> No. 3338 Anonymous
5th July 2015
Sunday 3:52 pm
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>>3332

Correct. However, a human body is not a combustion engine. The way in which we measure calories in food does not account for biological variance in the way the body processes said foods.
>> No. 3339 Anonymous
5th July 2015
Sunday 4:08 pm
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>>3337
But chips are veg.

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