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>> No. 58249 Anonymous
15th July 2017
Saturday 9:45 am
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1970s: "We've just landed on the moon, I bet we'll have colonies on other planets in a few decades!"

1980s: "Back to the future was awesome, I bet we'll have flying cars in a few decades!"

2017: Transport for London bans announcements using "ladies and gentlemen" in case it is offensive to people who are gender fluid.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-40591750

What a time to be alive.
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>> No. 58419 Searchfag
27th July 2017
Thursday 6:14 pm
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>> No. 58420 Ambulancelad
27th July 2017
Thursday 6:27 pm
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>>58418
>"transgender people show more courage when they leave their houses in the morning than Donald trump has shown in his entire life"
To be fair, so does literally everyone else not called Trump.
>> No. 58423 Ambulancelad
27th July 2017
Thursday 6:37 pm
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>>58411
Because its full of mentally ill people.

I wish trannies didn't exist. It'd be nicer if i could just block knowledge of their existence out of my head altogether.
>> No. 58424 YubYub
27th July 2017
Thursday 6:55 pm
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>>58418

It is a pretty fucking patronising statement though. The SJW lot coined the irritating but useful term "othering" - being too nice about a minority group can marginalise them just as effectively as being too nasty. A positive stereotype is still a stereotype, it still reduces a whole group of people to a two-dimensional image that fits someone else's world view. The magical negro and noble savage tropes are just as damaging as a lot of overtly racist ideology.

A lot of disabled people were quietly relieved when Oscar Pistorius shot his girlfriend. It put a lid on the whole post-2012 "inspirational" rhetoric and reminded the world that disabled people are equally capable winning medals and being total cunts.
>> No. 58425 Billbob
27th July 2017
Thursday 7:17 pm
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>>58424
What's a magical negro then?

Is it like Morgan Freeman's character in robin hood: prince of thieves?
>> No. 58426 Auntiefucker
27th July 2017
Thursday 7:24 pm
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>>58418

Isn't transgenderiteism classified as a mental illness in the American psychiatric diagnostic manual? The military doesn't let in people who suffer from mental illnesses like depression or schizophrenia so why should they treat the trannies any differently?
>> No. 58428 R4GE
27th July 2017
Thursday 7:35 pm
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>>58426

The DSM also categorised homosexuality as a mental disorder until 1987.

>>58425

Yep. A black character who solves the problems of the white lead through homespun wisdom or mystical powers. The big guy in The Green Mile, Bagger Vance, Morpheus in The Matrix, Lamont in American History X. They have no particular backstory or character, but exist solely as a kind of deus ex machina.
>> No. 58430 Anonymous
27th July 2017
Thursday 11:19 pm
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>>58428
>MORPHEUS IN THE MATRIX
Yea fuck off. Morpheus was a character. Not a black character. You are being racist right now.
>> No. 58432 Ambulancelad
28th July 2017
Friday 3:31 am
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>>58430
hes black though so by default useless. luckily the benevolent white man rose him up.
>> No. 58433 Moralfag
28th July 2017
Friday 7:09 pm
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Experience: my dog underwent gender reassignment surgery

https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2017/jul/28/my-dog-molly-underwent-gender-reassignment-surgery

We've got intersex pseudohermaphrodite dogs under going gender reassignment surgery now.
>> No. 58434 YubYub
28th July 2017
Friday 8:34 pm
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>>58433
>When the vet came back and said she thought Molly could be a hermaphrodite, I didn’t realise what she meant; I started crying, assuming she was referring to another form of cancer.
>> No. 58528 Paedofag
14th August 2017
Monday 7:00 am
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This is Britain’s first gender-fluid family.

They are raising four-year-old Star Cloud as a ‘person’ and are telling him to ‘not get hung up’ on being a boy.

Parents Nikki and Louise Draven say they are ‘just ordinary’ and are being ‘who they want to be’.
Star calls Louise, 31, his mummy, but she is in fact his biological father and is transitioning to become a woman with hormone treatment.

Louise has felt she was a girl from the age of eight, and has been living as a woman since a year before Star’s birth.

While Star’s daddy is pansexual Nikki, 30, who was born a woman and is his biological mother. Nikki will dress as a woman on some days and will dress as a man on others.

The parents want Star to be free to wear make-up, paint his nails, wear girls or boys clothes and play with dolls if he wants to.

In September, he will go to school for the first time and will wear a boy’s uniform, but with a pink vest and socks. Nikki said: ‘We don’t want our child constrained by that either. We’re just an ordinary family being who we want to be.

‘We never tell Star he’s a boy, we tell him he can be whatever he wants. We don’t buy gender specific toys or clothes and we let him choose what he wears. Pink is one of his favourite colours.’

The family has already experienced exterior pressures on Star, with other children at his nursery telling him that he can’t play with dolls as they are for girls. Nikki said: ‘We sat him down and explained that anyone can play with dolls and that it’s good practice for when he grows up and is a daddy. He said, ‘I might not be a daddy – I might be a mammy!’


http://metro.co.uk/2017/08/13/trangender-mum-and-pansexual-dad-raising-child-in-britains-first-gender-fluid-family-6848824/

Urgh. saying mammy. How common.

Whenever these articles crop up about raising a gender neutral child it's always a boy they're doing it to.
>> No. 58529 R4GE
14th August 2017
Monday 11:27 am
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>>58528
I fully support their raising their child without the constraints of predefined gender. I fully oppose their naming him 'Star Cloud'. Fucking hell.
>> No. 58530 Crabkiller
14th August 2017
Monday 11:32 am
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>>58528

Jesus. I think there's a huge problem with this and that's the fact that there are differences between the genders, and to be so intensive in assuring your child blurs them is just bad parenting.

Sure, let the kid do whatever it feels like, play with barbies or wear a skirt or whatever the fuck, but don't sit it down and tell it not to bother being a boy - you're just starting to discourage his natural behaviour for your own ends.

My parents let me dress up like a cat and go to the shops, they even made me a tail and shit. But if they'd sat me down and said, listen son, if you want to be a cat, then you ARE a cat, I think I'd be a disturbed malcontent by this point.
>> No. 58531 Anonymous
14th August 2017
Monday 11:37 am
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>>58530
>don't sit it down and tell it not to bother being a boy
Sorry, where have they done that, exactly? I can see they are quoted as not wanting him to be 'hung up on' being a boy but that's not the same thing.
>> No. 58532 Paedofag
14th August 2017
Monday 11:47 am
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>>58531

That's the bit I'm referring to. Maybe I'm over reaching with it, but that's what it sounds like to me. I have experience with these sorts of activists and I worry that they're pressured, whether directly or indirectly, into being something they're not, which obvioiusly is exactly what they're trying to avoid in the first place. Kids pick up on what their parents want though, no matter if they state it explicitly or not.

Maybe I'm just more conservative than I thought, but something creeps me out about it. Like the ten year old drag queen with his mum doing his makeup etc that was posted recently. It feels forced on some level. I suppose if the child is happy that doesn't really matter in the long run.
>> No. 58533 Crabkiller
14th August 2017
Monday 12:21 pm
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>>58529
They should be done for child cruelty for that name.
>> No. 58534 Are Moaty
14th August 2017
Monday 12:24 pm
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>>58528
>Whenever these articles crop up about raising a gender neutral child it's always a boy they're doing it to.
That's because raising a tomboy isn't newsworthy.
>> No. 58535 Crabkiller
14th August 2017
Monday 2:39 pm
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Does anyone else feel like these kind of activists always fall into a reverse Henry Ford? 'you can identify as anything you like as long as it's not a heterosexual cis male'.
>> No. 58536 Ambulancelad
14th August 2017
Monday 3:38 pm
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>>58532
Sorry mate but I think you just have some internalised transphobia. I'm not saying you hate trans people, but you are exhibiting behaviours that make it more difficult for trans people to come out, i.e. this weird suspicion that trans parents are pressuring their children into adopting a trans identity, even though there's absolutely no evidence that that is happening. It's the same reason gay people weren't allowed to adopt, because society thought they'd try and 'convert' said children into their unnatural sexual perversions.

I mean you're right that there is more going on in a parent-child relationship that can be superficially analysed by an outsider, and children can be or feel pressured into doing things that they don't want, but to assume this is happening just because two people say they aren't going to impose gender norms on their child is plainly transphobic.

This cunt >>58535 is on a whole other level though.
>> No. 58537 YubYub
14th August 2017
Monday 5:31 pm
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>>58536
>THIS WEIRD SUSPICION THAT TRANS PARENTS ARE PRESSURING THEIR CHILDREN INTO ADOPTING A TRANS IDENTITY

That's how it looks from here.

I remember watching a see hear programme on the BBC a few years back at some ungodly hour when I couldn't sleep. It was a deaf couple and they were going on about how glad they are that their children are also death, but the way they talked about it was really fucked up.

By all means let your kid wear what they want and play how they want, but don't push a whole gender narrative and fill their mind full of nonsense. Don't fucking call them star cloud.
>> No. 58538 Moralfag
14th August 2017
Monday 5:43 pm
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>>58537
Doesn't everyone push a whole gender narrative on their kids? This seems a bit of a fish denying the existence of water thing.
>> No. 58539 R4GE
14th August 2017
Monday 6:08 pm
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>>58538
Not explicitly, no.

Little star cloud here does boy things and then he does girl things, whilst being told that he can flip between the two because he's fluid. Most kids just do things because they're a child and that's what they do without thinking of the wider gender ramifications of it.

Anyway I think it is the father, the one playing mummykin in all this, who is pushing it. His hefty wife has decided to go along for the ride and opted for a minimum effort, half-arsed "some days I wear men's clothes" which most people don't notice because she slobs around in hoodies and baggy clothes the rest of the time already.
>> No. 58540 R4GE
14th August 2017
Monday 6:12 pm
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>>58539
Parents often explicitly push their children towards activities their gender traditionally do. You can't deny that in good faith.
>> No. 58541 Crabkiller
14th August 2017
Monday 6:20 pm
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>>58540
They don't do it explicitly. They may be herded a certain way, but they most definitely aren't sat down and have gender roles explained to them. Many parents know their child goes through phases they'll grow out of.

Normal parent: child does activity, a big deal isn't made out of it.

Star cloud parent: child does activity, this must be clearly defined to him as a "boy activity" or a "girl activity" and we'll let him know he can switch from doing "boy" things or "girl" things because he's fluid. Nothing can be a gender neutral child activity, it must be pigeonholed.
>> No. 58542 Crabkiller
14th August 2017
Monday 6:36 pm
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>>58541
What a load of rubbish. Certain toys and behaviours are pushed on girls and others on boys. They are explicitly pushed towards these things even if it's not a case of being sat down and having a conversation about it. Our culture is infused with these patterns. Your idea of a 'normal' parent may be an ideal but is not what the majority of parents do.
>> No. 58543 Ambulancelad
14th August 2017
Monday 6:40 pm
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>>58541

It's an unfortunate side-effect of our current level of social development. We're aiming towards a society that is gender-blind, but our current society is full of subtle and implicit prejudice. In order to progress towards a society in which gender doesn't matter, we end up being hyper-conscious of gender stereotypes for a while.

The whole argy-bargy over trans people is a symptom of this. It's always about trans women rather than trans men, because cis women have a very broad range of acceptable gender expression. A woman dressing in a masculine way is utterly unremarkable, so nobody notices transmen who don't quite pass - they just get coded as tomboys or butch lesbians.

Cis men don't have the same range of acceptable options, so it becomes an either/or - if you're not obviously presenting as male, then you're a transwoman. Ultimately we'll reach a point where there's nothing remarkable about seeing a man wearing a dress and lipstick, but the road to that destination will be paved with a lot of Facebook rants and thinkpieces in the Guardian and the Daily Mail. Within a generation or two, nobody will understand why we made such a big fuss about it.
>> No. 58544 Are Moaty
14th August 2017
Monday 6:56 pm
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>>58543
I think it's because many of them just look like a bloke in a wig.
>> No. 58545 Billbob
14th August 2017
Monday 7:04 pm
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>>58537
>I REMEMBER WATCHING A SEE HEAR PROGRAMME ON THE BBC A FEW YEARS BACK AT SOME UNGODLY HOUR WHEN I COULDN'T SLEEP. IT WAS A DEAF COUPLE AND THEY WERE GOING ON ABOUT HOW GLAD THEY ARE THAT THEIR CHILDREN ARE ALSO DEATH, BUT THE WAY THEY TALKED ABOUT IT WAS REALLY FUCKED UP.

Nobody talks about it but deaf parents are known to refuse to allow their children to get Cochlear Implants that allow them to hear under the logic (I shit you not) that being deaf is not a disability. Then there is the whole situation of selective abortion to ensure your child is born disabled.
http://blog.practicalethics.ox.ac.uk/2009/07/refusing-cochlear-implants-is-it-child-neglect/

It's a fucked up world where the police are still tackling parents hacking off their daughter lady-parts. I can't help but feel as if we took a wrong turn somewhere.

>>58542
And there is also scientific proof that the genders are different. If you want to be a horrific tranny monster then fair enough but don't cry when people notice you projecting your gender dysphoria onto a child.
>> No. 58546 Paedofag
14th August 2017
Monday 7:09 pm
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>>58545
>And there is also scientific proof that the genders are different.
No shit. Just look down.
>> No. 58547 YubYub
14th August 2017
Monday 7:11 pm
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>>58528
>>58544
What is causing that horrific belly separation with his Mrs. Is she trying to cover it up with a belt?
>> No. 58548 R4GE
14th August 2017
Monday 7:13 pm
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>>58546
Careful now or you'll only end up justifying hacking your dick off as a logical solution. Genders are different in more ways than just the sex organ and outward appearance.
>> No. 58549 YubYub
14th August 2017
Monday 7:27 pm
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>>58547
If people can't carry weight well they effectively end up with two bellies.
>> No. 58550 Billbob
14th August 2017
Monday 7:42 pm
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>>58549

Gunt.
>> No. 58551 Searchfag
15th August 2017
Tuesday 2:03 am
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>>58536

Maybe you're right. I certainly have no desire to be transphobic. I do wonder if my reaction would be the same if a CIS couple were saying these things. It's hard to tell. I don't want to be part of the problem, and obviously my reservations are confined strictly to the shitposting portion of this imageboard.
>> No. 58554 Paedofag
15th August 2017
Tuesday 8:53 am
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>>58551
But this isn't /pol/ though?
>> No. 58556 Crabkiller
15th August 2017
Tuesday 11:38 am
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>>58536

>This cunt >>58535 is on a whole other level though.

Probably.
I've met too many fruit loops who politicized the sexuality of their dog ("my dog is gay", not that the dog has demonstrated any homosexual taste ever). That I accept that as a badge of honour.
I refuse to accept that these parents have anything other then trying to get their child to be non-conformist in mind. I imagine them rewarding every time they say the 'right thing' "it's so wonderful you are gay, lets have a coming out party", against passive aggressive "oh well if you want to be straight THAT'S fine, it is your body after all, do what every you want, it's your choice". I assume there will be ample helpings of male and cis bashing served at the diner table along with the potatoes.

It reminds me heavily of religion in my house growing up, I was supposed to 'make up my own mind' with heavy emphasis on me following my parents belief, and utter distaste and rejection of me and my ability to form an opinion when I became atheist.

I just hope the child doesn't get pushed into something irreversible before they have formed their own opinion, transitioning when you don't really want to transition psychologically fucks people up, and this seems like the kind of environment where they would do it just for validation from their parents.
>> No. 58557 YubYub
15th August 2017
Tuesday 11:42 am
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I read an article in biomedical scientist claiming that ignoring gender bias in neuroscience research and neuropsychology is deeply harmful to women, because it means that the real physiological differences in brain function are generalised based upon research applicable to men and assumed to be applicable to women by default.

Food for thought when you have all these muskets bleating about gender being a social construct and what have you. It's a noble goal they have but reality doesn't agree with them, and they could potentially do more harm than good.
>> No. 58558 Crabkiller
15th August 2017
Tuesday 11:55 am
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>>58557

do you have citation? I am interested in reading the article.
>> No. 58559 Crabkiller
15th August 2017
Tuesday 12:09 pm
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The mods here are really ahead of the curve in banning reaction images. The BBC just published an argument that using reaction GIFs like this one is digital blackface.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/world-40931479/is-it-ok-to-use-black-emojis-and-gifs

>you've probably noticed the most popular [reaction images] are of black people
No and I doubt it.
>> No. 58560 YubYub
15th August 2017
Tuesday 12:09 pm
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>>58556

If anything it's funny because the kids are more likely to turn out the opposite when they hit that tender teenage phase of rebellion against anything and everything. Like those lads with super macho dad's who invariably turn out gay or such as yourself, turning out atheist because of the pressure from your religious parents.

These poor kids are going to grow up utterly homophobic because of their mentalist trandqueergenderplural parents.
>> No. 58561 Searchfag
15th August 2017
Tuesday 12:09 pm
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>>58556
Trans people have more experience than anyone else what it is like to be coerced into conforming to expectations of gender. I see no reason why they would want to put their children through exactly the same horror.
>> No. 58563 YubYub
15th August 2017
Tuesday 12:50 pm
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>>58560

I wouldn't call my being atheist teenage rebellion, but I take your point.

>>58561

That's exactly the kind of bullshit logic >>58424 was talking about. That's like saying the Israelis would never mistreat and discriminate against the Palestinians because of the holocaust. Or that Black people (or Nignogs as a trans friend is fond of calling them) are incapable of being racists.

No Transgender people are just as big of cunts as the rest of us, only with potentially a chip on the shoulder that makes it harder to moderate their behavior. Very few people have the self awareness to reflect upon their own behavior and view things from the outside without someone guiding them to do so, and there is no correlation between being trans and being that self aware.
>> No. 58564 YubYub
15th August 2017
Tuesday 1:28 pm
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>>58563
>THERE IS NO CORRELATION BETWEEN BEING TRANS AND BEING THAT SELF AWARE

The trans-folk I know live in a bubble and magnify issues that most people really don't give a shit about.

For example, the way they used to go on about that someone in that power bottom band was accused of sexual harassment you'd have thought it was major headline news akin to war breaking out or something like that.
>> No. 58565 Paedofag
15th August 2017
Tuesday 1:42 pm
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>>58564
Isn't that true of any community with niche interests at all?
>> No. 58566 Billbob
15th August 2017
Tuesday 6:06 pm
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>>58565
How dare you belittle gender dismorphics by equating them to a nice interest. Next you'll be telling me the suffragettes were little more than bored housewives looking for something to fill the time and garner attention from their husbands.

I bet you're one of those false allies, who pretends to be on someone's side but is always patronising them and perpetuating ignorance.
>> No. 58569 YubYub
16th August 2017
Wednesday 11:21 am
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/magazine-40936719/gender-specific-toys-do-you-stereotype-children

Who's really being more abusive - the trans parents in this thread, or the people looking after the children in this video?
>> No. 58570 Ambulancelad
16th August 2017
Wednesday 1:42 pm
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>>58569
The BBC for churning out this shite. No academic rigour at all going on, no discussing the contradictory physical evidence from the field of neurobiology, instead we just get the vacuous 'some psychologists' and a BBC presenter grinning at children.

I know Hjernevask is often exploited but it does a good job of pointing out this kind of methodology where ideas are presented as quirky and oh so obviously correct. On television it doesn't get people interested in the topic and unless you're already a convert it's going to get your back up no matter who you are.
https://vimeo.com/19889788
>> No. 58575 Anonymous
16th August 2017
Wednesday 5:37 pm
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>>58558

Source: Someone left it on the bench at work
>> No. 58576 YubYub
16th August 2017
Wednesday 5:41 pm
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>>58575

>the bench at work

Hanging about in the park isn't a job, lad.

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