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>> No. 4012 Anonymous
14th December 2012
Friday 9:36 am
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Applying for JSA links
http://pastebin.com/5vJCh4HQ
http://www.urban75.com/Action/Jsa/jsa2.html
Both are a little out of date.
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>> No. 11160 Anonymous
4th March 2017
Saturday 4:02 pm
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>>11084
So I don't know if anyone was paying attention to this but I just got several letters through (Why not just one?) saying that I'm not entitled to Jobseekers Allowance because "the law says we cannot pay you". Which law? Don't know. Why? No idea. Apparently I have to get on their asses to actually get an explanation. Luckily I have some savings and family to stay with, otherwise I'd be out on the streets.
>> No. 11161 Anonymous
4th March 2017
Saturday 5:21 pm
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>>11160

If you were working outside the EEA, you can be declared "Not Habitually Resident"; you will not be entitled to claim benefits until you have been habitually resident in the EEA for at least 90 days. If you were working outside the UK but within the EEA, you will be entitled to benefits immediately (Swaddling v. Adjudication Officer).

If you were working within the EEA, you should appeal, giving evidence of where you were working. Assuming you are otherwise entitled to benefits, you should receive JSA backdated to your original claim date. If you were working outside the EEA, you should probably still appeal, although you might be on a sticky wicket.
>> No. 11162 Anonymous
5th March 2017
Sunday 2:56 am
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>>11161
Well that's bloody daft.
>> No. 11171 Anonymous
6th March 2017
Monday 6:27 am
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>>11160

Just don't expect council housing lad.

Trust I, don't even bother applying for 6 months. And then expect to be told to fuck off.

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>> No. 11214 Anonymous
22nd March 2017
Wednesday 1:54 pm
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I want a new job but I have no idea what. All I know is I'm tired of sitting behind a desk and pretending my day isn't dull as shit, I feel like it rots my brain through under stimulation. What I really want is something where I leave work with a personal sense of accomplishment, like my effort that day had meaning, and I'm not enough of an economic materialist for just making money to be the reward. Where do I look for inspiration?
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>> No. 11215 Anonymous
22nd March 2017
Wednesday 3:07 pm
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I design things and make them - some for me, some for customers.
Mostly, I enjoy it. Not gonna save the world, but there's a satisfaction to it.
>> No. 11216 Anonymous
22nd March 2017
Wednesday 7:23 pm
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I do repetitive and fairly menial work in a hospital, but it's in a hospital, so no matter how insignificant my tasks are, it's for The Greater Good.

I came to realise after getting this job, that what I wanted out of a job was not actually satisfaction and a feeling of accomplishment- What I really wanted is for people to stop expecting me to pretend that I did have those things. All my previous jobs have had those delusional managers and brainwashed company arse-lickers who go around like the thought police interrogating people who aren't quite behind the company's values enough or committed to the mission statement or some other goddamn terrifying programmed corporate drivel. Those are the people who make your life hell. Where I work now, everybody is refreshingly up front about the fact that they are at work to pay the bills and little else, and it really takes a load off the mind. I think the problem is that deep down they too know how utterly trivial their role is, but they have staked too much of their fragile ego upon it, resulting in a hideous level of overcompensation.

You just need a job where, even if the actual task you carry out isn't important, the sum of the organisation's parts DOES matter. The trouble is that in 90% of jobs out there, the end goal behind all the bullshit is simply selling stuff. It's inherently meaningless no matter what you do in the chain.

I'm blathering again anyway so:

>Where do I look for inspiration?

I've always found the film Office Space to be a deeply philosophical and fundamentally revealing examination of the state of employment in the contemporary period.
>> No. 11230 Anonymous
23rd March 2017
Thursday 4:20 pm
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>>11216
There is something about Office Space that could be compared to an optimistic rewriting of L’Étranger.
>> No. 11232 Anonymous
24th March 2017
Friday 3:22 am
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Health and/or Social Care for rewarding work, but be prepared for stress. Maybe try a bit of volunteering in the sector. Pick a client group which sounds interesting, mental health, older people, drugs and alcohol, homelessness etc. I'm sure most organisations would be happy to have you volunteer for even just an hour or two a week. It will give you an idea if it's route you wish to pursue. Maybe try a few different places.

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>> No. 11217 Anonymous
22nd March 2017
Wednesday 8:32 pm
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Who has the worst job on .gs?

Been seeing a lot of people moaning lately and maybe someone with an actual shit job might put things into perspective?

I reckon lorry drivers have it the worst - long hours on the road, away from home for not-that-good wage, especially a lot of the polish lads that do it for minimum.


I'm not a lorry driver, I do work as a bouncer and it's pretty kushty
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>> No. 11225 Anonymous
23rd March 2017
Thursday 1:11 am
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I used to be a lorry driver, long distance and overnight type stuff. It's amazing. Get to see loads of different places and you haven't got a boss breathing down your neck all bloody day and best of all no office politics. And it pays better than you think. As I was out all week I never even had a flat rented, I just used to live in my truck and take home about 700 per week all of it disposable.
>> No. 11226 Anonymous
23rd March 2017
Thursday 1:17 am
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>>11225

How did you get into it? Pay for your own HGV licensing? Was it your own truck or a companies?
>> No. 11227 Anonymous
23rd March 2017
Thursday 2:14 am
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>>11226

I paid for my own license. It was all company trucks that I used to drive. They are actually very comfortable to live in. I have driven trucks that have a separate cabin for living in and even had a shower but they were rare.

You have all of the creature comforts of a good caravan such as auxiliary heating and ac, 240v electricity and a fridge. Buy a low wattage kettle and you are away!
>> No. 11228 Anonymous
23rd March 2017
Thursday 5:54 am
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>>11227

Is it easy to get work for the newly licensed? It's something I'd love to do.

I drive places for fun anyway, and love the idea of 'camping' out in a vehicle. It would suit me well, I reckon, having grown tired of the career I'm in now.
>> No. 11229 Anonymous
23rd March 2017
Thursday 8:33 am
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>>11228

Yes but you are limited to jobs such as trade plating when you first pass. You need a minimum 1 years driving experience before you can get a job with a bigger company.

Trade plating can be fun and you get to drive everything up to fire engines etc.

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>> No. 1795 Anonymous
27th May 2011
Friday 6:32 pm
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ITT: Workplace annoyances.

I'll get the ball rolling - having to bring in pastries on your birthday. I know it's cheaper if people bring their own in on their birthday instead of chipping in every time someone in the office has a birthday, but it's still fucking annoying having to fork out on your birthday.
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>> No. 11208 Anonymous
18th March 2017
Saturday 7:39 pm
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Not at all, if I wanted to "be a hero" I'd have just whistleblown to the FCA.

I made a throwaway comment in my notice letter which they asked me to expand upon. I decided to be frank and I got a few people to check it before I responded; every single one of them said it was spot on and everything I'd said wasn't incorrect.

The issue is so severe that when the FCA do come in it could lead to a seven figure fine and/or them issuing a cease and desist notice to the company. Either the board don't know about the matter because they're incompetent or they've been turning a blind eye to it whilst counting all the money coming in.
>> No. 11209 Anonymous
20th March 2017
Monday 2:05 am
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Loads of my coworkers are immature but they generally understand rules around consent and stupid immature banter i.e. I have a difficult time dealing with it so they'll not harass me if I'm not getting involved.

Aside from one manager, who's 21 or so and persistently only communicates with me (and other employees) through innuendos, touching peoples (only guys) arses, hugging people unexpectedly, making stupid sexual jokes, making stupid racist jokes and specifically calling out my accent because I'm from a different bit of England. Which really just pisses me off because I've dealt with that through school and found it about as funny as hitting my ballsack with a hammer.

I could play along with some of this filth (I mean I get on about worse stuff with mates) if I even remotely liked the guy but I think he's a twat, and he's clearly doing it to get a rise out of me and it makes my work more of an annoyance than it needs to be.

I'm just deliberating on how to deal with this. I'm not convinced he'd have the emotional maturity to cut it out if I asked him to but his girlfriend is also the sort of people manager for our store, which could make things awkward.
>> No. 11210 Anonymous
20th March 2017
Monday 7:07 am
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>>11209
You work in a shop, it's to be expected. Especially if it's some shithole like PC World.
>> No. 11212 Anonymous
21st March 2017
Tuesday 7:56 pm
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The printer has a massive screen telling you the name of the person who is printing right now. Why does everyone keep picking up every single page that comes off to see if it's theirs (and then put it back out of order)?
>> No. 11213 Anonymous
22nd March 2017
Wednesday 11:15 am
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Outlook has a scheduling assistant for arranging meetings, that will tell you that I've got a regular appointment in the timeslot you keep insisting on booking every fucking time.

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>> No. 11211 Anonymous
21st March 2017
Tuesday 2:31 pm
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Can't accurately put across how hard it is sitting around waiting for an agency to get back to you about when you start 36 hour rotating shifts.

I could have gone directly to a cleaning role today too albeit on less hours but now I just feel like I'm back in that mire of uncertainty I have been for the past 3 months.

Fully incensed to work but everything feels like one step forward and two steps back with interviews you think you've nailed after doing your research and showing your competencies, agencies who are keen to take you on but not really give you anything and hundreds of vacancy e-mails in places you can't get to.

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>> No. 11112 Anonymous
21st February 2017
Tuesday 8:42 pm
11112 Will I ever find a job which won't make me want to kill myself?
I guess this is more venting than anything else as I suspect the answer will be 'no'.

I've had two 'proper' jobs in my life - both office based. The first was a graduate scheme which was fairly competitive. I never really wanted the job but I didn't want to disappoint my parents by not getting a decent job straight out of uni. When I got the job I felt like I shouldn't be there - everyone else on the graduate scheme was really enthusiastic and motivated and competent, whereas all I could do was stay slumped in my resentment, daydreaming about anything other than work. It was alright for the first few months but it didn't take long for me to become immensely demoralised and demotivated, trying to get through the day doing as little as possible while fantasising about jumping out of a window in between applying for other jobs (with no luck).

I managed to stick it out there for 2 years, and I have since got a job in something I find more interesting. For the first 3 months or I didn't actually mind getting out of bed in the morning, I perhaps even enjoyed the job. But now, 4-5 months in, I just want to get out by any means necessary.

I wonder if I feel this way because of the nature of office work, or if I'd be any less miserable doing other types of work. I suspect a lot of the resentment I feel has to do with the corporate and yuppy cultures which I detest, but find myself forced to play along with. Or perhaps it's a broader resentment towards the drudgery of wage slavery and work in general.

I suppose what I want is the freedom to work as much or as little as I want to support myself, without having my surplus labour extracted, rather than being forced to work 9-6 Mon-Fri in return for a wage. But I've obviously been dispossessed of the means to do that because capitalism etc.

Is there any way out?
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>> No. 11114 Anonymous
21st February 2017
Tuesday 9:27 pm
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Hello me. I just started branching out into other work just to see if I got on better with it or not. These days I just go from job to job inbetween travelling for cheap. My advice would be to explore as many avenues as you can if you haven't got a specific idea of which kind of job you'd thrive in. I will say though that the chances are it could just be the people you work around. I've had some ok jobs that have been made horrible by the people working there, and shit minimum wage jobs that have been great fun thanks to the people I was around.
>> No. 11115 Anonymous
21st February 2017
Tuesday 9:27 pm
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>>11112
>Is there any way out?
Statistically speaking, probably not. It depends on your abilities. You could start your own business, but most business fail in the first couple of years.

I spoke to a cleaner once at my old school, who said he loved his job and wouldn't ever trade up for something better paying if it meant more responsibility. At the time I couldn't comprehend his reasoning at all, because as high-achieving sixth formers it was our presumed destiny to get careers and become respected professionals.

Now, feeling much like you, I think the gist of it was this: by taking a job which requires no mental exertion, no stressful social or political games, and which has total predictability, he could much more comfortably get through the day (with a pair of headphones in while he worked) and felt much better for it as a result. Whereas office workers may get home at 9pm and feel too drained to do anything except rest and go back to work the next day, my cleaning acquaintance still had plenty of energy to spend his free time doing things that brought him joy.

This may well be some 'grass is greener' nonsense, so feel free to disregard it (since you naturally know yourself better than I know you).
>> No. 11119 Anonymous
22nd February 2017
Wednesday 4:48 pm
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>>11115
>Whereas office workers may get home at 9pm and feel too drained to do anything except rest and go back to work the next day,

I simply outright refuse to do this. I don't care if it's 'expected'. Put longer hours in my contract and pay me more, then I'll do it. I don't mind putting in a few hours if I know I've been lazy or if there's a deadline or something but I don't accept any more work than I can reasonably manage in the time allowed.
>> No. 11120 Anonymous
22nd February 2017
Wednesday 6:05 pm
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>>11119
You would make a great Civil Servant.
>> No. 11193 Anonymous
16th March 2017
Thursday 12:24 am
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OP here again. I've been meaning to reply to this thread, but I find it hard to bring myself to read and write things, let alone think about my future, after a day at work. Naturally this doesn't help with applying for new jobs.

Each day I feel closer and closer to quitting without a backup. It's only a matter of time until some jobsworth on my team patronises me about the correct way to suck a clients dick one too many times and I snap and just walk out. I guess I'll just try and live off what little money I have saved up and supplement that through Deliveroo work, if that's even a viable path.

>>11114
>My advice would be to explore as many avenues as you can if you haven't got a specific idea of which kind of job you'd thrive in.

This seems like an attractive option in theory as I can't understand how anyone can bear doing the same job for longer than 3 consecutive months. But wouldn't people just eventually stop hiring me when they see that I can't commit to a job for a substantial period of time?

>>11119
>Put longer hours in my contract and pay me more, then I'll do it.

This is one of my main grievances. No one at my work seems to do just their contracted hours, despite not getting any overtime pay. Yet they just sit down and take it. If the company wants to take on more work they can either pay us more or hire some more fucking staff (though even if they did offer me more money for more hours, I'd like to be able to refuse it because the main thing I want is more of my life back). Instead they take on new business and expect us to take on additional workloads, and they get away with it because everyone working there is a spineless bastard.

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>> No. 10764 Anonymous
16th November 2016
Wednesday 12:38 pm
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I need some advice in making a transition from a call centre/office environment to something much more physically-demanding without suffering a major financial setback. I've made this decision for the benefit of my mental health and other reasons, having become totally dissatisfied with the way things are ran where I am.

I've worked in the above job for four years and I've had three different roles, it's involved sales, technical help and general service work. Prior to that I worked at a stadium for five years doing cleaning and customer service. I've been applying for full time process operative jobs for about 6 weeks now without much luck, I don't have a driver's license yet so anything that asks for that I have to cross out and move on to the next one. I'm wondering now if the fact I have been in a call centre job for four years is making this harder for me. When applying, I'm making sure my CV is marrying up to the job description as much as possible with all relevant details on one page, so I meet all the right qualities etc.

I've been considering going to places like Reed to see what they're like for CV reviews, anyone else been in this position though? How long does it normally take before you move into something else?
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>> No. 10970 Anonymous
20th January 2017
Friday 12:49 pm
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>>10967
Pansy.
>> No. 10971 Anonymous
20th January 2017
Friday 1:16 pm
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>>10970
You spend your time talking to people on the internet? What are you, a fucking bender?
>> No. 10972 Anonymous
20th January 2017
Friday 2:16 pm
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>>10971
Eh?
>> No. 11158 Anonymous
3rd March 2017
Friday 12:50 pm
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>>10967

Sounds like everything I want in a job. Seriously.
>> No. 11164 Anonymous
5th March 2017
Sunday 4:44 am
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>>10971

Itla bumder m1

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>> No. 11113 Anonymous
21st February 2017
Tuesday 9:13 pm
11113 Life Choices
Bit of background: I work in software. I'm still very junior, but have been in the job long enough to know that I enjoy it, and I'm not completely terrible at writing high- or low-level code. Pay is OK, location is pleasant enough but unexciting for a single man in his 20s. Work is mostly good but I don't feel I've got into anything very meaty yet. Main plus side are the flexible hours, and the social side within my year of new starters.

Since I've started I've been getting a few messages from recruiters on LinkedIn. A lot of these I just reply "No thanks" to straight away because the location is bad, it's an area that does not interest me (read: web dev) or a company I've heard bad things about (e.g. Amazon), as well as the fact that I've only just started at my current place relatively recently. Recently though I've been getting a bunch of messages advertising jobs in central London-based financial firms. Mostly small-ish automated trading startups looking for devs to work alongside the quants, and paying 2-3 times what I'm on now.

I've been thinking of moving somewhere central-ish for a little while now, be close to more interesting places and not have to take the night bus home for hours after. But with what I'm on at the minute combined with work location I'm unlikely to break through zone 3, maybe 2 at a push. 10 mins walk from the arse end of a tube line if I'm lucky. So this has got me thinking, whether living and working somewhere central would be a possibility. On the other hand, I know I can kiss goodbye to good working hours and the social side I've integrated into so far if I did that. I definitely wouldn't rush into anything, I'll want to stay at my current place for at least until my next review, but it's given me things to think about regarding the future. I'm really not sure if I can see myself staying round here forever.

I guess the main point of all this, is are there any people on here with similar experiences? Is the City worth the extra stress and hassle, or should I thank my lucky stars for a quiet if unexceptional life?
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>> No. 11124 Anonymous
23rd February 2017
Thursday 9:35 pm
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>I may have been quick to judge Amazon based mostly on fake news online articles about their shady business practices and employee maltreatment.
The stuff I've read about Amazon employees being treated like shit was in regards to the warehouse workers. Somehow I doubt >>11116 was sweating half to death packing boxes for minimum wage.
>> No. 11125 Anonymous
23rd February 2017
Thursday 10:03 pm
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>>11124
>The stuff I've read about Amazon employees being treated like shit was in regards to the warehouse workers.
They're not alone. Plenty of reports of poor treatment of people on the tech side.
>> No. 11126 Anonymous
23rd February 2017
Thursday 11:23 pm
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>>11124

Amazon's workplace culture is notorious, even on the tech and management side.

https://www.nytimes.com/2015/08/16/technology/inside-amazon-wrestling-big-ideas-in-a-bruising-workplace.html?_r=0
>> No. 11127 Anonymous
23rd February 2017
Thursday 11:43 pm
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>>11124
On the one hand, even it was just warehouse staff it's still a damning comment on their attitude towards their people. But it was the NY Times article that gave me a bad impression of the technical side of the business.
>> No. 11128 Anonymous
23rd February 2017
Thursday 11:58 pm
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>>11126
I stand corrected.

>even it was just warehouse staff it's still a damning comment on their attitude towards their people.
Agreed. Scant consolation, if any: those people won't have those horrific warehouse jobs in another five or so years, as it'll all be automated.

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>> No. 11095 Anonymous
19th February 2017
Sunday 11:44 pm
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I'm mostly set on going to university this year come September, but I'm not sure if it's the sensible choice.
My initial decision came from sticking out minimum wage work for a bit and deciding "this is bullshit", so I'm looking to go study Engineering. I've been spending the year getting the required maths qualifications (and finding out I'm actually not bad at maths when I apply myself (I even enjoy it)) so I'm all set for it and have offers.

Is it a sensible choice? I'm 27 now, I want to have something for myself when I'm 30 and I figure a useful degree would be a good start. I've considered trying to get promoted up the chain in something (or even my current part time fast food job) but thinking about it I'd probably take as long to manage that as I would take in getting myself a degree - but with none of the international recognition a useful degree could give me. Or job satisfaction. Or anything really, aside from an income.

Ultimately I'm interested in getting a degree because education makes me fulfilled, and because it could offer more of an escape route if the UK continues descending into a Tory hellscape. Even just seeing the uni fees compared to when I had finished my A-Levels is unnerving.

Realistically though are there other options I could explore before I start finalising plans?
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>> No. 11107 Anonymous
20th February 2017
Monday 8:35 pm
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>>11103
Mobile, sure, completely incapable of working in the West too.
>> No. 11108 Anonymous
20th February 2017
Monday 8:36 pm
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>>11107
What a shame there are no engineering projects outside the UK.
>> No. 11109 Anonymous
20th February 2017
Monday 8:44 pm
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>>11108
We need another great war!
>> No. 11110 Anonymous
21st February 2017
Tuesday 7:43 am
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>>11108

Who cares?
>> No. 11111 Anonymous
21st February 2017
Tuesday 9:30 am
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>>11107

Bollocks.

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>> No. 11082 Anonymous
17th February 2017
Friday 11:35 am
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Where can I find people to help me break down furniture and chuck into a skip? I just want to pay a few guys a fixed day rate to do manual labour for about 6 hours, but even on Gumtree etc it's surprisingly hard to find.
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>> No. 11088 Anonymous
17th February 2017
Friday 12:55 pm
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>>11082

Do you have a back garden? Chop it up yourself over a few weekends, then rent a skip when you're done.
>> No. 11089 Anonymous
17th February 2017
Friday 1:16 pm
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>>11082
Whereabouts is the work? I'm free if it's close.
>> No. 11090 Anonymous
17th February 2017
Friday 5:28 pm
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>>11086
This. You want mans sans vans.
>> No. 11091 Anonymous
17th February 2017
Friday 5:46 pm
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>>11089
It's a long shot (Britain is small but not that small), but it's in Watford.

Thanks for the tips, otherlads
>> No. 11092 Anonymous
17th February 2017
Friday 7:03 pm
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>>11082

Don't you have any friends? That sounds like a right laugh.

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>> No. 11062 Anonymous
12th February 2017
Sunday 3:47 pm
11062 Getting into journalism
I remember a really good thread a few years ago with advice about making a living out of journalism but now, when I need it the most, it's disappeared. As such I'm wondering if any of our resident Ed Winchesters can help me.

I always harboured a desire to work in journalism growing up, but through a series of inconsistent life decisions I've ended up working as an account executive for a PR agency for the last 3 months. I'm growing disillusioned with it (as tends to happen with most of my life decisions after a few months) and feel like I want to cross over to the other side and become a journo.

I haven't published much in ages and my only formal experience in journalism is a shitty short-lived internship several years ago. So my main question is, how likely am I going to be able to make a living out of journalism?

I remember in the previously referenced Ed Winchester's thread he pushed freelancing as the most lucrative path. I'd like that one day (though not because of the money), but I imagine the consistency of a salaried gig would be better while I'm starting out in the industry and still have rent to pay. What's the best way of landing such opportunities? Are most of them advertised publicly or are they behind closed doors on Gorkana and ResponseSource et al. (which I have access to)? I'm also a member of the NUJ, so is there much potential for finding jobs through that? And are NCTJ qualifications usually mandatory?

If it makes any difference I'd ideally like to report on tech and/or political news (I'm currently working in tech PR and I do a fair bit of activism in my spare time).

Cheers in advance for any advice.
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>> No. 11068 Anonymous
12th February 2017
Sunday 9:06 pm
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>>11066

>I would appreciate a chat. Indeed, I'd be willing to buy any London journloads pints at Ye Olde Cheshire Cheese in exchange for their time and advice.

Email a few journalists and ask them for advice. I've found that people are often remarkably willing to help if you just ask. There's a strata of people in every industry who know enough to be really useful, but are low enough on the totem pole to be flattered by the attention.

School teaches you that there's a prescribed way of doing everything, that you're only allowed to progress if someone in authority gives you a bit of paper saying that you can. In the real world, you can just send some e-mails to firstname.lastname@company.com and see what happens.
>> No. 11069 Anonymous
13th February 2017
Monday 3:00 am
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>>11066

Oky, you have done some thought. Drop me a throwaway email.
>> No. 11071 Anonymous
13th February 2017
Monday 9:29 am
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OP here. Don't know why >>11070 is posting someone's personal email address but send me a mail at britfagsjournalism@gmail.com
>> No. 11072 Anonymous
13th February 2017
Monday 10:48 am
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>>11071

Coz he's a bellend. Email sent.
>> No. 11077 Anonymous
13th February 2017
Monday 8:56 pm
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I know this sounds really simple but it's something nobody ever told me yet come in insanely useful when I got into the habit- just trawl through Linkedin profiles.

Sit down for about two or three hours at your computer and just google 'journalist' and the name of the type of publication you want to work for and then tag Linkedin on the end. For the most part, it will turn up the profiles of loads of people who work or used to work at those places.

From there just click their profiles and have a look at the kind of jobs they did beforehand and the kind of qualifications and things that they studied.

This has been immensely helpful to me in the past in looking at both how to market myself and what kind of things should be on my CV. Bonus points if people add their responsibilities and not just job titles, you can see how they phrase things to hit the key points.

In terms of looking for the jobs I'm sorry I can't help as I've no idea where to start. I imagine having your own blog about the issues isn't a bad idea either, both to showcase your work and show dedication to prospective employers. Churning out a handful of articles a week on tech and politics shouldn't be too difficult.

Good luck

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>> No. 11039 Anonymous
1st February 2017
Wednesday 7:28 pm
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Without going too much in the other thread I'll need to know a few things about starting a proper job. Long story short my work history consists of long term volunteering for charity, a casual job with uni and some odd jobs.

I got lucky and have received a job offer and this being my first proper job in an office I'm a little lost on the process. My new employers are well aware this would be my first office environment job.

I've been on DLA (now PIP) since I was 18 due to severe anxiety, epilepsy, minor manic depression and the old favourite regular depression. My years in uni have helped significantly during and I have informed the job centre about the changes. Now I want off the system completely because I feel like a right sponge. By that I mean no work grants or permitted work. Full on off the system. When do I go about telling the job centre that I now have a job? As soon as I accept the offer or shortly before I start work? As much I don't want to be a sponge, I do need the money in between the transition into work but would otherwise not want to get done for bennie fraud.

The other thing is my P45. The casual job I had was over a year ago and I get my P45 now and again which goes straight into the paperwork pile which will be a ballache to dig into. I don't recall the last time I received my P45. May have been last April going by the tax year. Is it ok to give my new employers a relatively old (but current) P45 or should I have to fill in a P46. Or is this something I should ask the job centre about while I'm closing my DLA claim?
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>> No. 11040 Anonymous
1st February 2017
Wednesday 8:00 pm
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>As much I don't want to be a sponge, I do need the money in between the transition into work but would otherwise not want to get done for bennie fraud.

If you overclaim then the arrears demands will follow. Seen it happen many times in council tax recovery; someone gets a job and then not only do they have to start paying things like council tax and rent, they start getting chased for the overpayment for the period between starting work and informing the council. Not everyone can cope with effectively having the rug pulled out from under them and end up with a court order for the debt.
>> No. 11041 Anonymous
1st February 2017
Wednesday 9:31 pm
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>>11039
If you were on jobseekers allowance, the jobcentre gives you a P45 when you sign off, I'm not sure whether PIP would be the same or now.
>> No. 11042 Anonymous
1st February 2017
Wednesday 9:40 pm
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Notify the JobCentre in advance of the date when you are due to start work. Your IB or ESA will be paid up to this date. You're still entitled to PIP even if you're in full-time employment, but starting work may trigger a re-assessment of your claim.

You should be entitled to Extended Payment of Housing Benefit to cover the gap between starting work and your first pay packet. Ask the JobCentre about this when you tell them of your change in circumstances.

If you need to buy clothes or cover transport costs for your new job, you can apply for an interest-free budgeting loan. You can borrow up to £348 and repay it at an affordable rate. Your local council may also provide loans or grants for people starting work.

https://www.gov.uk/budgeting-help-benefits/how-it-works

I know you want to get off benefits completely, but if you need any support related to your mental health problems, you should think about applying for an Access to Work grant.

https://www.gov.uk/access-to-work

You don't need a P45. The PAYE Starter Checklist has replaced the old P46. It's perfectly straightforward to fill out; you can download and print a copy at the link below.

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/paye-starter-checklist
>> No. 11049 Anonymous
9th February 2017
Thursday 1:33 pm
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Was meant to reply but it's been something of a shitstorm this week.

Called up to cancel my PIP as I was in the position of transitioning to it. Told me to call up DLA too. Called them. They told me to close my claim I can't do it over the phone and have to look on the website and write to them. This is a fucking ball ache. I've decided that I'm just going to fill out a P46 (my employers specifically ask for a P45 or P46 rather than the PAYE starter checklist which >>11042 mentioned)

>>11041
PIP doesn't give you a P45 it seems. I asked specifically and they said they couldn't.

>>11040
I looked it up and the fine is £50 plus what I repay. They really aren't making it simple.
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9th February 2017
Thursday 1:35 pm
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>>11049
Oh and my employers sent me a link to the starter checklist which was among my payroll form and contract for me to fill out but still want a P45 or P46 anyway.

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>> No. 11044 Anonymous
2nd February 2017
Thursday 3:35 pm
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What's this bollocks about then?

You're telling me you can tell someone is suitable or not for the role of working in fucking Aldi based on 21 of these questions?
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>> No. 11045 Anonymous
2nd February 2017
Thursday 3:37 pm
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And yes, after 21 I was told they won't be going further with my application.

Fair enough if some answers were "I like to come in late and abuse customers", but they all seemed like good traits for any employee to hold.
>> No. 11046 Anonymous
2nd February 2017
Thursday 5:14 pm
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Most large employers use psychometric personality tests. In Aldi's case, they're looking for some fairly unusual traits in an employee. Until fairly recently, they didn't bother with barcodes - they just had the staff memorise the SKU code of every single item in store. Today, they use a skeleton staff who rotate between various roles, with the aim of keeping every employee busy for every minute of the day.

They time how long each checkout transaction takes, with strict performance targets. If they need someone to rotate from the loading bay to the checkout, they expect them to run rather than walk. It takes a fairly unusual person to keep pace with their demands.

Don't take it personally. It doesn't mean you're a bad employee, it just means you're not the kind of person they're looking for.
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2nd February 2017
Thursday 6:35 pm
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>>11044
While the field of psychometrics has some validity, in general the sort of things used by employers are pretty much pseudoscience. Expect any analysis of the actual tests used to involve some form of p-hacking or selective analysis.

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>> No. 10984 Anonymous
25th January 2017
Wednesday 7:14 pm
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Right lads,

I have managed somehow to blag an interview with a big multinational for a technician's job.

In my shit life thus far, I have only ever had more informal interviews, the kind where jeans and a tucked-in shirt are appropriate. (My work history consists of labouring, door stewarding and manufacturing work)

I have the suit and shoes, any secret handshakes or lingo I'm should know about?
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>> No. 11030 Anonymous
30th January 2017
Monday 2:05 am
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>>11029
At this point it's a backup in case the results of the job interview are not favourable for me. I am getting desperate though. My plans for location are pretty open. Anywhere in the UK except London. I'm often thinking "if I don't get this one, I'll look at London jobs" now. I spoke to my dad at Christmas and he's certain maybe my interview skills are shite but I actually gave it my all in this job interview. How many job interviews do I need to have until I need to step back and conclude that I am shit at interviews?

Luckily I know the process is telephone interview first for the potentially shit job. Spent way too much on going to interviews across the country that won't reimburse me for travel costs. I'm pretty much going to decline any interview that refuses to pay for travel when it's outside my hometown. The most I've spent is £80 on a train ticket. The ones that do reimburse are coincidentally the ones where I can get a bus ticket for less than a fiver to travel to or within walking distance.
>> No. 11031 Anonymous
30th January 2017
Monday 2:36 am
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>>11030
>Spent way too much on going to interviews across the country that won't reimburse me for travel costs.
Yeah, this is a showstopper for me. I don't care if the interview is in the swanky office building across the street from my flat, on point of principle no expenses means no interview. I may not need them (such as because I can get there on the season ticket I've already paid for), but if they're not even prepared to offer them, what else aren't they prepared to pay for? At some point I'm going to want my employers to fund training or a conference, and if they're not willing to bung a candidate £20 for their troubles then it doesn't bode well for three nights in a hotel in Telford. Also, why the fuck are those things always in fucking Telford?
>> No. 11032 Anonymous
30th January 2017
Monday 12:46 pm
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>>11030
Sorry to hear that, mate. I'd never be bothered about paying travel costs for interviews, but that's because I expect to succeed & be very happy within about three or four. (Badadvicesoftwaredeveloperlad here.)

If it is going very poorly, a couple of ideas:
1. Do a mock interview with one of your friends who hires people. If there's no-one who fits the bill, maybe even see if someone on the internet would be willing. It sounds like any change in your technique may be a good change.
2. If you got a particularly nice rejection e-mail from anywhere, reply and ask nicely if they could give you any pointers on your technique. I'm pretty sure for legal reasons they're really not supposed to, but someone might do it anyway.

Chin up. You only need to succeed once.
>> No. 11038 Anonymous
1st February 2017
Wednesday 11:25 am
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>>11032
Not OP but I got the job. Well a written job offer incoming. Got a call this morning saying I got it.

Now comes the inevitable anxiety given I've never worked in an office environment.
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2nd February 2017
Thursday 12:37 am
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Lads, I think I wowed the interview panel way too much for the procurement position. They offered me the post today, just 48 hours later. I'm impressed.

Hopefully I can go somewhere in this industry and make some money.

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