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>> No. 11332 Anonymous
6th June 2017
Tuesday 2:32 pm
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Ey up lads.

Anyone here in the building trade? Or more specifically, a trade that involves a CSCS card? I'm jobhunting and I see a lot of "must have cscs card" and I'm thinking getting one might make it easier to get work. Then I look up the card and there's a gazillion different types, and the website says you have to have qualifications before you can get one and it's all super fucking confusing. It reminds me of dependancy hell on an outdated Linux system.

Is there a "basic" card I can get which will allow me to work the sort of jobs the Guardian is constantly telling us English people don't want to do? This seems ridiculous.
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>> No. 11342 Anonymous
6th June 2017
Tuesday 9:42 pm
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>>11341
Oh do fuck off Tarquin.
>> No. 11343 Anonymous
6th June 2017
Tuesday 10:19 pm
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>>11338

>That picture is rather silly

It is however the level of debate people seem to have based on my sample of Facebook friends. The self-congratulating circle-jerking it with the choir of most people’s political opinions boils my piss. It is like they can't comprehend how anyone could have an opposing position from them without being the Anti-Christ.
>> No. 11344 Anonymous
6th June 2017
Tuesday 10:33 pm
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A number of years ago I got myself a CSCS card and did a bit of labouring for a week before I realised I'd make more money working in McDonalds.

From my limited experience, a building site is basically something like a slave plantation. You've got your overseer Englishman at the top, your various skilled tradesman or house negroes in the middle; working class Englishmen involved in various skilled trades, and you've got your labourers or dumb plantation negros at the bottom; Poles, Lithuanians, and various other Eastern Europeans working cash in hand for a pittance.
>> No. 11345 Anonymous
6th June 2017
Tuesday 10:56 pm
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>>11343
Politics on facebook is mildly interesting to browse through but it's a terrible place to engage in any sort of debate. Just shows you how many of your mates are complete spastics.
>> No. 11346 Anonymous
6th June 2017
Tuesday 10:58 pm
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(by "it's a terrible place" I mean most of the Internet.

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>> No. 11296 Anonymous
14th May 2017
Sunday 6:31 pm
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Evening lads.

A few months ago I managed to get my first office job in a role I had been dreaming of at a late ish age as I am nearing my 30s. Before that I did odd jobs and went to uni. Hopefully this forms what my CV looks like. My plan was work this job for at least a couple of years, move to a place where my roommate isn't referred to as "mum" after completing the probation and more or less be in an industry I have great passion for.

Long story short I've fucked it. The job has had my co-worker wanting to put his notice in and another who will likely follow. The problem is that we're basically doing bugger all most days and isn't what any of us signed up for. The two co-workers in question will have an easier time quitting due to their experience when looking for another job. Meanwhile I'm up shit creek because I can't really quit with only a few months under my belt but I can't stay because I'm bored shitless to the point where I have a tantrum in the morning because I have to go work where I do nothing for 8 hours a day. I've exhausted my initiative as there's so much red tape trying to get simple things that would help me do my job. My team has also been moved around the building a couple of times and we're expected to move again in a few weeks. The last time we were moved we were essentially put in a shame cupboard where the only person I spoke to was my co-worker as the other had not started at this point.

I've voiced my concerns to my boss and nothing has changed. I feel like I'll have to start job searching but I feel as if I'll be fucking myself over as it'll probably look bad that I can't hold a proper job for a few months and it was a struggle getting references together for this job. I don't expect I'll get a decent reference from this job if I quit.

So what am I meant to do besides drink a few pints every night feeling sorry for myself? I'm dreading the day my co-workers finally quit and I'm left on my bill all day. It's mind numbing when I'm left alone for a day let alone for the indefinite future.
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>> No. 11306 Anonymous
14th May 2017
Sunday 10:36 pm
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>>11304
Or perhaps I'm too ambitious. Turns out a masters is enough.
>>11305
That's the thing it is literally nothing which is boring as fuck. At least when I was unemployed I could play video games and wank all day. Now I'm in a job where anything slightly fun is blocked by the web filter and my bathroom breaks are micromanaged. Though on the otherhand the good thing about being in cybersecurity is being able to bypass all any filters. I mean if I do end up getting moved to be in a room on my own I'd probably end up playing video games knowing nobody will know. There is also the fact I'm sort of in charge of the software that monitors the network and it didn't detect me using a torrent client. Would be nice if they gave me admin rights of that software so I could you know do my job and configure it so it detects shit like that.
>> No. 11307 Anonymous
14th May 2017
Sunday 10:41 pm
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>>11306
I'd say browse the net on your phone but that alone does get boring and is entirely pointless.
>> No. 11308 Anonymous
15th May 2017
Monday 12:03 am
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>>11307
Been doing that for the last couple of weeks. Not enough to get caught but enough to get bored.

I have a book on my phone related to my job in case they do ask why I'm on it but it's only a matter of time until they find me swiping on tinder.
>> No. 11309 Anonymous
15th May 2017
Monday 2:29 am
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Write a book. You can disappear to wherever you'd rather be, without leaving Microsoft Word.
>> No. 11310 Anonymous
17th May 2017
Wednesday 10:07 pm
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>>11300
>This would be the cybersecurity industry
>>11303
>Imagine a security guard without CCTV to look at. That's my job right now and that's the best analogy I can think of.
I hope you aren't moanign because they aren't handing out the juicy $criptz yet. If you've got an internet facing computer with no port restrictions and a bash terminal, how the fuck are you bored?

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>> No. 11257 Anonymous
17th April 2017
Monday 12:55 am
11257 Detective
How can I become a Private I? I want to become a private investigator. I want to rent out an office in a bad part of town, and try to solve a major case, pick up a very bad drinking and smoking habit, and then get murdered right after I solve the case.

I suppose the rest of the things I want to happen will be difficult to arrange, but first things first, how do I become a PI?
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>> No. 11258 Anonymous
17th April 2017
Monday 2:51 am
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>>11257
OH LAD.
>> No. 11259 Anonymous
17th April 2017
Monday 1:58 pm
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>>11257
99% of your job will be proving that someone's wife/husband is cheating when the client already knows deep down. The other 1% will likely be even less interesting.
>> No. 11260 Anonymous
17th April 2017
Monday 9:06 pm
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>>11259
Maybe I will get a client who needs me to help her in faking her own death. Then maybe her husband kills me when he finds me pissing in her arse.

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>> No. 11239 Anonymous
4th April 2017
Tuesday 9:37 am
11239 /working abroad with fuck all qualifications and experience
Right lads, this topic has come up frequently enough that I think it might be worth a thread.

Loads of my friends work in things like teaching and the like in foreign climes.

Anyone thinking about doing this (and if you are thinking about it, jump!) is welcome to post questions and I will endeavour to get some solid answers and tips from people doing it. Fire away.
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>> No. 11241 Anonymous
4th April 2017
Tuesday 4:23 pm
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>>11240
About a decade ago I looked into teaching English abroad, and with JET at least there seemed to be an unusual amount of complaints when I was reading around compared to programs in other countries. At the time I put it down to a bunch of Japanophiles thinking it was going to be like living in their favourite anime, and then getting there and realising that Japan is actually just a regular country with all the usual ups and downs (and more specifically that, in fact, Japanese society is highly conservative and conformist, plus they've been stuck in an economic depression since the early 90s). Then a mate of mine did it and ended up in a rural school in the arse end of nowhere, combined with JET's incompetence and near total lack of support he just felt really isolated. Took a trip there a few years ago and I'm pretty sure I made the right call - novel to visit, not to live, for me at least. I suspect I'd be the same with most of the far east.

I've had other mates who've had a great time in China and Korea, mind, and getting a placement in Tokyo could be fun if you can deal with the accommodation. There's probably a lot of luck of the draw when it comes to TEFL, really.

Sage for rambling nothing of value.
>> No. 11245 Anonymous
5th April 2017
Wednesday 6:38 am
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>>11241

China is an interesting one. I fucking love it, but I'm one of the weirdos who do. o9/10 people loathe the place. Beats me why though, it is fucking wonderful.

Thailand...oh God Thailand. Now THAT is a fun place.

I've got mates in Korea who love it. Cambodia is a shithole and should be avoided like the plague. Malaysia, HK and Singapore are all damn nice, but pricey - but the quality of life is cracking, and they are all melting pots of different cultures.

I have yet to visit the Phillipines, but from my Fili friends I get the idea there is a reason they are jot living there any more. Indonesia is somewhere I wouldn't mind trying.

And all these places are desperate for TEFL teachers. Just watch who your boss is in China, even the big chains tend to fuck you around. Ensure you have Western management.
>> No. 11246 Anonymous
5th April 2017
Wednesday 10:03 am
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>>11245

>I have yet to visit the Phillipines, but from my Fili friends I get the idea there is a reason they are jot living there any more.

It used to be absolutely lovely, but it has turned into a fucking warzone since DU30 got in. Still some of the best prostitutes in SEA, mind.

Regardless of where you go, you need to be good at coping with loneliness. The odds are exceedingly high that you'll be dumped in some backwater with no expat community. It takes a long time to break the barriers of language and culture and start making friends with the locals. If you're not happy with your own company, you'll go absolutely mental.
>> No. 11247 Anonymous
5th April 2017
Wednesday 2:39 pm
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>>11246

Skype. And to be honest I have never had a problem with getting in with the locals. Even if there are some linguistic barriers - they will be keen to brush up there English. I think the major thing is to eat and drink in hole in the wall places and keep hitting the same few until they know you,
>> No. 11248 Anonymous
5th April 2017
Wednesday 4:12 pm
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>>11247

>they will be keen to brush up there English.

More fool them, I suppose.

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>> No. 11112 Anonymous
21st February 2017
Tuesday 8:42 pm
11112 Will I ever find a job which won't make me want to kill myself?
I guess this is more venting than anything else as I suspect the answer will be 'no'.

I've had two 'proper' jobs in my life - both office based. The first was a graduate scheme which was fairly competitive. I never really wanted the job but I didn't want to disappoint my parents by not getting a decent job straight out of uni. When I got the job I felt like I shouldn't be there - everyone else on the graduate scheme was really enthusiastic and motivated and competent, whereas all I could do was stay slumped in my resentment, daydreaming about anything other than work. It was alright for the first few months but it didn't take long for me to become immensely demoralised and demotivated, trying to get through the day doing as little as possible while fantasising about jumping out of a window in between applying for other jobs (with no luck).

I managed to stick it out there for 2 years, and I have since got a job in something I find more interesting. For the first 3 months or I didn't actually mind getting out of bed in the morning, I perhaps even enjoyed the job. But now, 4-5 months in, I just want to get out by any means necessary.

I wonder if I feel this way because of the nature of office work, or if I'd be any less miserable doing other types of work. I suspect a lot of the resentment I feel has to do with the corporate and yuppy cultures which I detest, but find myself forced to play along with. Or perhaps it's a broader resentment towards the drudgery of wage slavery and work in general.

I suppose what I want is the freedom to work as much or as little as I want to support myself, without having my surplus labour extracted, rather than being forced to work 9-6 Mon-Fri in return for a wage. But I've obviously been dispossessed of the means to do that because capitalism etc.

Is there any way out?
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>> No. 11237 Anonymous
4th April 2017
Tuesday 8:20 am
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>>11236

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=outdoor+activities+vacancies+asia

Right, smug mode off. Have a look at some of the vacancies, then if you have pertinent questions I will do my best to answer them. But seriously, lad, that was hardly fucking difficult.
>> No. 11238 Anonymous
4th April 2017
Tuesday 8:41 am
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>>11237

Okay, I admit my response was not the most helpful. So: my village has an outdoors activity company that employs about 60 Westerners. These guys are cracking people - the chaff gets ditched fucking fast. As a result the long termers are all exceedingly good people.

Each week they have a different school group camping by the beach - say 100 kids, average age 12. Each day the staff take the kids out on the ocean, hill walking, mountain biking, etc. Each evening about 10 of the staff camp with the kids to keep an eye on stuff.

They work 5 days a week at the school, from 7 to 7. On the other two days they chip in a day or twos labour depending on requirements on the farm that helps subsidise their existence.

They are provided with free shared accommodation - two to a room. Food is shared, with a rota scheme for cooking and much of it comes straight from the farm. Expect lots and lots of fruit and veg.

For first-timers or complete novice full training in first aid, health and safety and the like, while also being trained in surfing, sailing, skateboarding and the like.

The pay is initially dire, you will not exactly be saving, and you won't be hitting the bright lights of Wan Chai on your wages, but you will be able to afford a few beers and smokes, and have an instant community of other staffers to have fun with.

Professionalism is key - you will be dealing with children in risky situations. Basically, don't fuck around, get stuck in and be pro-active, and it will be notice.
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>> No. 11242 Anonymous
4th April 2017
Tuesday 7:11 pm
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>>11238
Why did you back down from being a cunt within ten minutes? What was your thought process in those ten minutes?
>> No. 11243 Anonymous
4th April 2017
Tuesday 10:58 pm
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>>11238

So they're basically using gullible gap year twats as slave labour. Clever.

Consider working holiday visas for Australia, Canada, or New Zealand. It probably wouldn't be as exciting as working with kids in bongo-bongo land but at least you'll get paid.
>> No. 11244 Anonymous
5th April 2017
Wednesday 6:20 am
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>>11242

Oh, I was in themiddle of a conversation when I first posted. I then realised while my post was correct, it wasn't exactly bringing anything to the table. Hence then posting up a thread in /job/.

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>> No. 11214 Anonymous
22nd March 2017
Wednesday 1:54 pm
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I want a new job but I have no idea what. All I know is I'm tired of sitting behind a desk and pretending my day isn't dull as shit, I feel like it rots my brain through under stimulation. What I really want is something where I leave work with a personal sense of accomplishment, like my effort that day had meaning, and I'm not enough of an economic materialist for just making money to be the reward. Where do I look for inspiration?
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>> No. 11215 Anonymous
22nd March 2017
Wednesday 3:07 pm
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I design things and make them - some for me, some for customers.
Mostly, I enjoy it. Not gonna save the world, but there's a satisfaction to it.
>> No. 11216 Anonymous
22nd March 2017
Wednesday 7:23 pm
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I do repetitive and fairly menial work in a hospital, but it's in a hospital, so no matter how insignificant my tasks are, it's for The Greater Good.

I came to realise after getting this job, that what I wanted out of a job was not actually satisfaction and a feeling of accomplishment- What I really wanted is for people to stop expecting me to pretend that I did have those things. All my previous jobs have had those delusional managers and brainwashed company arse-lickers who go around like the thought police interrogating people who aren't quite behind the company's values enough or committed to the mission statement or some other goddamn terrifying programmed corporate drivel. Those are the people who make your life hell. Where I work now, everybody is refreshingly up front about the fact that they are at work to pay the bills and little else, and it really takes a load off the mind. I think the problem is that deep down they too know how utterly trivial their role is, but they have staked too much of their fragile ego upon it, resulting in a hideous level of overcompensation.

You just need a job where, even if the actual task you carry out isn't important, the sum of the organisation's parts DOES matter. The trouble is that in 90% of jobs out there, the end goal behind all the bullshit is simply selling stuff. It's inherently meaningless no matter what you do in the chain.

I'm blathering again anyway so:

>Where do I look for inspiration?

I've always found the film Office Space to be a deeply philosophical and fundamentally revealing examination of the state of employment in the contemporary period.
>> No. 11230 Anonymous
23rd March 2017
Thursday 4:20 pm
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>>11216
There is something about Office Space that could be compared to an optimistic rewriting of L’Étranger.
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24th March 2017
Friday 3:22 am
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Health and/or Social Care for rewarding work, but be prepared for stress. Maybe try a bit of volunteering in the sector. Pick a client group which sounds interesting, mental health, older people, drugs and alcohol, homelessness etc. I'm sure most organisations would be happy to have you volunteer for even just an hour or two a week. It will give you an idea if it's route you wish to pursue. Maybe try a few different places.

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>> No. 11217 Anonymous
22nd March 2017
Wednesday 8:32 pm
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Who has the worst job on .gs?

Been seeing a lot of people moaning lately and maybe someone with an actual shit job might put things into perspective?

I reckon lorry drivers have it the worst - long hours on the road, away from home for not-that-good wage, especially a lot of the polish lads that do it for minimum.


I'm not a lorry driver, I do work as a bouncer and it's pretty kushty
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>> No. 11225 Anonymous
23rd March 2017
Thursday 1:11 am
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>>11223

I used to be a lorry driver, long distance and overnight type stuff. It's amazing. Get to see loads of different places and you haven't got a boss breathing down your neck all bloody day and best of all no office politics. And it pays better than you think. As I was out all week I never even had a flat rented, I just used to live in my truck and take home about 700 per week all of it disposable.
>> No. 11226 Anonymous
23rd March 2017
Thursday 1:17 am
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>>11225

How did you get into it? Pay for your own HGV licensing? Was it your own truck or a companies?
>> No. 11227 Anonymous
23rd March 2017
Thursday 2:14 am
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>>11226

I paid for my own license. It was all company trucks that I used to drive. They are actually very comfortable to live in. I have driven trucks that have a separate cabin for living in and even had a shower but they were rare.

You have all of the creature comforts of a good caravan such as auxiliary heating and ac, 240v electricity and a fridge. Buy a low wattage kettle and you are away!
>> No. 11228 Anonymous
23rd March 2017
Thursday 5:54 am
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>>11227

Is it easy to get work for the newly licensed? It's something I'd love to do.

I drive places for fun anyway, and love the idea of 'camping' out in a vehicle. It would suit me well, I reckon, having grown tired of the career I'm in now.
>> No. 11229 Anonymous
23rd March 2017
Thursday 8:33 am
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>>11228

Yes but you are limited to jobs such as trade plating when you first pass. You need a minimum 1 years driving experience before you can get a job with a bigger company.

Trade plating can be fun and you get to drive everything up to fire engines etc.

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>> No. 11211 Anonymous
21st March 2017
Tuesday 2:31 pm
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Can't accurately put across how hard it is sitting around waiting for an agency to get back to you about when you start 36 hour rotating shifts.

I could have gone directly to a cleaning role today too albeit on less hours but now I just feel like I'm back in that mire of uncertainty I have been for the past 3 months.

Fully incensed to work but everything feels like one step forward and two steps back with interviews you think you've nailed after doing your research and showing your competencies, agencies who are keen to take you on but not really give you anything and hundreds of vacancy e-mails in places you can't get to.

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>> No. 10764 Anonymous
16th November 2016
Wednesday 12:38 pm
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I need some advice in making a transition from a call centre/office environment to something much more physically-demanding without suffering a major financial setback. I've made this decision for the benefit of my mental health and other reasons, having become totally dissatisfied with the way things are ran where I am.

I've worked in the above job for four years and I've had three different roles, it's involved sales, technical help and general service work. Prior to that I worked at a stadium for five years doing cleaning and customer service. I've been applying for full time process operative jobs for about 6 weeks now without much luck, I don't have a driver's license yet so anything that asks for that I have to cross out and move on to the next one. I'm wondering now if the fact I have been in a call centre job for four years is making this harder for me. When applying, I'm making sure my CV is marrying up to the job description as much as possible with all relevant details on one page, so I meet all the right qualities etc.

I've been considering going to places like Reed to see what they're like for CV reviews, anyone else been in this position though? How long does it normally take before you move into something else?
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>> No. 10970 Anonymous
20th January 2017
Friday 12:49 pm
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>>10967
Pansy.
>> No. 10971 Anonymous
20th January 2017
Friday 1:16 pm
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>>10970
You spend your time talking to people on the internet? What are you, a fucking bender?
>> No. 10972 Anonymous
20th January 2017
Friday 2:16 pm
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>>10971
Eh?
>> No. 11158 Anonymous
3rd March 2017
Friday 12:50 pm
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>>10967

Sounds like everything I want in a job. Seriously.
>> No. 11164 Anonymous
5th March 2017
Sunday 4:44 am
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>>10971

Itla bumder m1

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>> No. 11113 Anonymous
21st February 2017
Tuesday 9:13 pm
11113 Life Choices
Bit of background: I work in software. I'm still very junior, but have been in the job long enough to know that I enjoy it, and I'm not completely terrible at writing high- or low-level code. Pay is OK, location is pleasant enough but unexciting for a single man in his 20s. Work is mostly good but I don't feel I've got into anything very meaty yet. Main plus side are the flexible hours, and the social side within my year of new starters.

Since I've started I've been getting a few messages from recruiters on LinkedIn. A lot of these I just reply "No thanks" to straight away because the location is bad, it's an area that does not interest me (read: web dev) or a company I've heard bad things about (e.g. Amazon), as well as the fact that I've only just started at my current place relatively recently. Recently though I've been getting a bunch of messages advertising jobs in central London-based financial firms. Mostly small-ish automated trading startups looking for devs to work alongside the quants, and paying 2-3 times what I'm on now.

I've been thinking of moving somewhere central-ish for a little while now, be close to more interesting places and not have to take the night bus home for hours after. But with what I'm on at the minute combined with work location I'm unlikely to break through zone 3, maybe 2 at a push. 10 mins walk from the arse end of a tube line if I'm lucky. So this has got me thinking, whether living and working somewhere central would be a possibility. On the other hand, I know I can kiss goodbye to good working hours and the social side I've integrated into so far if I did that. I definitely wouldn't rush into anything, I'll want to stay at my current place for at least until my next review, but it's given me things to think about regarding the future. I'm really not sure if I can see myself staying round here forever.

I guess the main point of all this, is are there any people on here with similar experiences? Is the City worth the extra stress and hassle, or should I thank my lucky stars for a quiet if unexceptional life?
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>> No. 11124 Anonymous
23rd February 2017
Thursday 9:35 pm
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>I may have been quick to judge Amazon based mostly on fake news online articles about their shady business practices and employee maltreatment.
The stuff I've read about Amazon employees being treated like shit was in regards to the warehouse workers. Somehow I doubt >>11116 was sweating half to death packing boxes for minimum wage.
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23rd February 2017
Thursday 10:03 pm
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>>11124
>The stuff I've read about Amazon employees being treated like shit was in regards to the warehouse workers.
They're not alone. Plenty of reports of poor treatment of people on the tech side.
>> No. 11126 Anonymous
23rd February 2017
Thursday 11:23 pm
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>>11124

Amazon's workplace culture is notorious, even on the tech and management side.

https://www.nytimes.com/2015/08/16/technology/inside-amazon-wrestling-big-ideas-in-a-bruising-workplace.html?_r=0
>> No. 11127 Anonymous
23rd February 2017
Thursday 11:43 pm
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>>11124
On the one hand, even it was just warehouse staff it's still a damning comment on their attitude towards their people. But it was the NY Times article that gave me a bad impression of the technical side of the business.
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23rd February 2017
Thursday 11:58 pm
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>>11126
I stand corrected.

>even it was just warehouse staff it's still a damning comment on their attitude towards their people.
Agreed. Scant consolation, if any: those people won't have those horrific warehouse jobs in another five or so years, as it'll all be automated.

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>> No. 11095 Anonymous
19th February 2017
Sunday 11:44 pm
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I'm mostly set on going to university this year come September, but I'm not sure if it's the sensible choice.
My initial decision came from sticking out minimum wage work for a bit and deciding "this is bullshit", so I'm looking to go study Engineering. I've been spending the year getting the required maths qualifications (and finding out I'm actually not bad at maths when I apply myself (I even enjoy it)) so I'm all set for it and have offers.

Is it a sensible choice? I'm 27 now, I want to have something for myself when I'm 30 and I figure a useful degree would be a good start. I've considered trying to get promoted up the chain in something (or even my current part time fast food job) but thinking about it I'd probably take as long to manage that as I would take in getting myself a degree - but with none of the international recognition a useful degree could give me. Or job satisfaction. Or anything really, aside from an income.

Ultimately I'm interested in getting a degree because education makes me fulfilled, and because it could offer more of an escape route if the UK continues descending into a Tory hellscape. Even just seeing the uni fees compared to when I had finished my A-Levels is unnerving.

Realistically though are there other options I could explore before I start finalising plans?
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>> No. 11107 Anonymous
20th February 2017
Monday 8:35 pm
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>>11103
Mobile, sure, completely incapable of working in the West too.
>> No. 11108 Anonymous
20th February 2017
Monday 8:36 pm
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>>11107
What a shame there are no engineering projects outside the UK.
>> No. 11109 Anonymous
20th February 2017
Monday 8:44 pm
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>>11108
We need another great war!
>> No. 11110 Anonymous
21st February 2017
Tuesday 7:43 am
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>>11108

Who cares?
>> No. 11111 Anonymous
21st February 2017
Tuesday 9:30 am
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>>11107

Bollocks.

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>> No. 11082 Anonymous
17th February 2017
Friday 11:35 am
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Where can I find people to help me break down furniture and chuck into a skip? I just want to pay a few guys a fixed day rate to do manual labour for about 6 hours, but even on Gumtree etc it's surprisingly hard to find.
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>> No. 11088 Anonymous
17th February 2017
Friday 12:55 pm
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>>11082

Do you have a back garden? Chop it up yourself over a few weekends, then rent a skip when you're done.
>> No. 11089 Anonymous
17th February 2017
Friday 1:16 pm
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>>11082
Whereabouts is the work? I'm free if it's close.
>> No. 11090 Anonymous
17th February 2017
Friday 5:28 pm
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>>11086
This. You want mans sans vans.
>> No. 11091 Anonymous
17th February 2017
Friday 5:46 pm
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>>11089
It's a long shot (Britain is small but not that small), but it's in Watford.

Thanks for the tips, otherlads
>> No. 11092 Anonymous
17th February 2017
Friday 7:03 pm
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>>11082

Don't you have any friends? That sounds like a right laugh.

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>> No. 11062 Anonymous
12th February 2017
Sunday 3:47 pm
11062 Getting into journalism
I remember a really good thread a few years ago with advice about making a living out of journalism but now, when I need it the most, it's disappeared. As such I'm wondering if any of our resident Ed Winchesters can help me.

I always harboured a desire to work in journalism growing up, but through a series of inconsistent life decisions I've ended up working as an account executive for a PR agency for the last 3 months. I'm growing disillusioned with it (as tends to happen with most of my life decisions after a few months) and feel like I want to cross over to the other side and become a journo.

I haven't published much in ages and my only formal experience in journalism is a shitty short-lived internship several years ago. So my main question is, how likely am I going to be able to make a living out of journalism?

I remember in the previously referenced Ed Winchester's thread he pushed freelancing as the most lucrative path. I'd like that one day (though not because of the money), but I imagine the consistency of a salaried gig would be better while I'm starting out in the industry and still have rent to pay. What's the best way of landing such opportunities? Are most of them advertised publicly or are they behind closed doors on Gorkana and ResponseSource et al. (which I have access to)? I'm also a member of the NUJ, so is there much potential for finding jobs through that? And are NCTJ qualifications usually mandatory?

If it makes any difference I'd ideally like to report on tech and/or political news (I'm currently working in tech PR and I do a fair bit of activism in my spare time).

Cheers in advance for any advice.
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>> No. 11068 Anonymous
12th February 2017
Sunday 9:06 pm
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>>11066

>I would appreciate a chat. Indeed, I'd be willing to buy any London journloads pints at Ye Olde Cheshire Cheese in exchange for their time and advice.

Email a few journalists and ask them for advice. I've found that people are often remarkably willing to help if you just ask. There's a strata of people in every industry who know enough to be really useful, but are low enough on the totem pole to be flattered by the attention.

School teaches you that there's a prescribed way of doing everything, that you're only allowed to progress if someone in authority gives you a bit of paper saying that you can. In the real world, you can just send some e-mails to firstname.lastname@company.com and see what happens.
>> No. 11069 Anonymous
13th February 2017
Monday 3:00 am
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>>11066

Oky, you have done some thought. Drop me a throwaway email.
>> No. 11071 Anonymous
13th February 2017
Monday 9:29 am
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>>11069

OP here. Don't know why >>11070 is posting someone's personal email address but send me a mail at britfagsjournalism@gmail.com
>> No. 11072 Anonymous
13th February 2017
Monday 10:48 am
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>>11071

Coz he's a bellend. Email sent.
>> No. 11077 Anonymous
13th February 2017
Monday 8:56 pm
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I know this sounds really simple but it's something nobody ever told me yet come in insanely useful when I got into the habit- just trawl through Linkedin profiles.

Sit down for about two or three hours at your computer and just google 'journalist' and the name of the type of publication you want to work for and then tag Linkedin on the end. For the most part, it will turn up the profiles of loads of people who work or used to work at those places.

From there just click their profiles and have a look at the kind of jobs they did beforehand and the kind of qualifications and things that they studied.

This has been immensely helpful to me in the past in looking at both how to market myself and what kind of things should be on my CV. Bonus points if people add their responsibilities and not just job titles, you can see how they phrase things to hit the key points.

In terms of looking for the jobs I'm sorry I can't help as I've no idea where to start. I imagine having your own blog about the issues isn't a bad idea either, both to showcase your work and show dedication to prospective employers. Churning out a handful of articles a week on tech and politics shouldn't be too difficult.

Good luck

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>> No. 11039 Anonymous
1st February 2017
Wednesday 7:28 pm
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Without going too much in the other thread I'll need to know a few things about starting a proper job. Long story short my work history consists of long term volunteering for charity, a casual job with uni and some odd jobs.

I got lucky and have received a job offer and this being my first proper job in an office I'm a little lost on the process. My new employers are well aware this would be my first office environment job.

I've been on DLA (now PIP) since I was 18 due to severe anxiety, epilepsy, minor manic depression and the old favourite regular depression. My years in uni have helped significantly during and I have informed the job centre about the changes. Now I want off the system completely because I feel like a right sponge. By that I mean no work grants or permitted work. Full on off the system. When do I go about telling the job centre that I now have a job? As soon as I accept the offer or shortly before I start work? As much I don't want to be a sponge, I do need the money in between the transition into work but would otherwise not want to get done for bennie fraud.

The other thing is my P45. The casual job I had was over a year ago and I get my P45 now and again which goes straight into the paperwork pile which will be a ballache to dig into. I don't recall the last time I received my P45. May have been last April going by the tax year. Is it ok to give my new employers a relatively old (but current) P45 or should I have to fill in a P46. Or is this something I should ask the job centre about while I'm closing my DLA claim?
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1st February 2017
Wednesday 8:00 pm
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>As much I don't want to be a sponge, I do need the money in between the transition into work but would otherwise not want to get done for bennie fraud.

If you overclaim then the arrears demands will follow. Seen it happen many times in council tax recovery; someone gets a job and then not only do they have to start paying things like council tax and rent, they start getting chased for the overpayment for the period between starting work and informing the council. Not everyone can cope with effectively having the rug pulled out from under them and end up with a court order for the debt.
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1st February 2017
Wednesday 9:31 pm
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If you were on jobseekers allowance, the jobcentre gives you a P45 when you sign off, I'm not sure whether PIP would be the same or now.
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1st February 2017
Wednesday 9:40 pm
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Notify the JobCentre in advance of the date when you are due to start work. Your IB or ESA will be paid up to this date. You're still entitled to PIP even if you're in full-time employment, but starting work may trigger a re-assessment of your claim.

You should be entitled to Extended Payment of Housing Benefit to cover the gap between starting work and your first pay packet. Ask the JobCentre about this when you tell them of your change in circumstances.

If you need to buy clothes or cover transport costs for your new job, you can apply for an interest-free budgeting loan. You can borrow up to £348 and repay it at an affordable rate. Your local council may also provide loans or grants for people starting work.

https://www.gov.uk/budgeting-help-benefits/how-it-works

I know you want to get off benefits completely, but if you need any support related to your mental health problems, you should think about applying for an Access to Work grant.

https://www.gov.uk/access-to-work

You don't need a P45. The PAYE Starter Checklist has replaced the old P46. It's perfectly straightforward to fill out; you can download and print a copy at the link below.

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/paye-starter-checklist
>> No. 11049 Anonymous
9th February 2017
Thursday 1:33 pm
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Was meant to reply but it's been something of a shitstorm this week.

Called up to cancel my PIP as I was in the position of transitioning to it. Told me to call up DLA too. Called them. They told me to close my claim I can't do it over the phone and have to look on the website and write to them. This is a fucking ball ache. I've decided that I'm just going to fill out a P46 (my employers specifically ask for a P45 or P46 rather than the PAYE starter checklist which >>11042 mentioned)

>>11041
PIP doesn't give you a P45 it seems. I asked specifically and they said they couldn't.

>>11040
I looked it up and the fine is £50 plus what I repay. They really aren't making it simple.
>> No. 11050 Anonymous
9th February 2017
Thursday 1:35 pm
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Oh and my employers sent me a link to the starter checklist which was among my payroll form and contract for me to fill out but still want a P45 or P46 anyway.

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