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>> No. 4106 Anonymous
3rd March 2017
Friday 6:17 pm
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In layman's terms, how would directions/paths or relative locations be described from within a fractal space? Say we have a fractal tree branch type thing and I wanted to tell someone on another point of it how to reach my location, or to describe to them how I would get to theirs?
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>> No. 4116 Anonymous
5th March 2017
Sunday 3:35 pm
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>>4115
Does that still work if your starting point is not at any intersection but some way between them?
>> No. 4117 Anonymous
5th March 2017
Sunday 6:13 pm
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Why do I get the feeling that nobody in this thread including the OP understands what a fractal space is?
>> No. 4118 Anonymous
5th March 2017
Sunday 7:05 pm
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>>4117
Because you're a snob with nothing useful to offer to the conversation.
>> No. 4119 Anonymous
5th March 2017
Sunday 8:36 pm
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>>4118
I don't take any shame in not having anything to contribute to the conversation at a chimp's tea party.
>> No. 4120 Anonymous
5th March 2017
Sunday 10:38 pm
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>>4116
From an algorithmic standpoint there's no such thing. The length between intersections would be a fraction of the previous length.

To respond to the previous poster no, I have no expertise whatsoever with fractals but I'm winging it and I'm pretty sure I'm correct. A line of logic that wouldn't be out of place in the current Labour party amirite? Ba-dum-tssh!

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>> No. 4078 Anonymous
26th November 2016
Saturday 9:12 pm
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Seriously, WTF is this?
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>> No. 4087 Anonymous
27th November 2016
Sunday 1:58 am
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>>4085
A cryonic bum blaster?
>> No. 4088 Anonymous
27th November 2016
Sunday 2:11 am
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>>4087

No, that's Barry Bennell.
>> No. 4089 Anonymous
27th November 2016
Sunday 9:11 am
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>>4086
I'm pretty sure they're Belgian and we all know what they're like.
>> No. 4090 Anonymous
27th November 2016
Sunday 10:39 am
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It's Javier Martos of Charleroi vs Club Brugge.
>> No. 4091 Anonymous
27th November 2016
Sunday 11:33 am
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>>4090

Brugge are winning.

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>> No. 4062 Anonymous
28th June 2016
Tuesday 8:00 pm
4062 Richard Lewontin
The 'Threads' thread over in /v/ contained a bit of discussion of human nature, evolutionary psychology and what it means for society (as well as its possible breakdown).

I wanted to make a post there a dew days ago but found myself just referring back to Richard Lewontin, who puts it a hell of a lot better than I do. There's a series of lectures of his up on YouTube which I think presents a very convincing argument as to why we should be cautious about using reasoning that appears to be 'biological' or 'scientific' in explaining/predicting complex human behaviours.

Things really start picking up around lecture 3, and I believe the topic of human nature is directly addressed in lecture 4. I can't recommend this highly enough to anyone who posted in that little debate. First lecture embedded:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ni8kL5TTRtA
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>> No. 4073 Anonymous
24th November 2016
Thursday 8:48 am
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He looks like Bill Gates.
>> No. 4074 Anonymous
24th November 2016
Thursday 12:04 pm
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>>4062

He looks like ARE BARRY from t'building society.
>> No. 4075 Anonymous
24th November 2016
Thursday 12:19 pm
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He's the spitting image of John Major
>> No. 4076 Anonymous
24th November 2016
Thursday 7:47 pm
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I think you mean Are Deirdre
>> No. 4077 Anonymous
26th November 2016
Saturday 9:03 pm
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>> No. 4063 Anonymous
25th August 2016
Thursday 12:27 am
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kbWB_pJrqfs

As it turns out there is a very real possibility that we have a habitable planet next door. Be honest with me, if you were asked to leave your entire life on Earth behind to go set up a colony in another solar system would you take it?
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>> No. 4065 Anonymous
25th August 2016
Thursday 1:32 am
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> if you were asked to leave your entire life

That would be nice. Can't even go loo without being asked where I'm going. So the chances of starting a new life sound very foreign to me.
>> No. 4066 Anonymous
25th August 2016
Thursday 4:02 am
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Yes.
>> No. 4067 Anonymous
25th August 2016
Thursday 6:13 am
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Find someone to tell me things who I don't want to hit. Maybe just type it out.
>> No. 4068 Anonymous
26th August 2016
Friday 1:18 am
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Probably, though my real dream is to be a space hauler/freelancer once we have near-lightspeed travel sorted out.

Even if we just set up colonies on mars or the belt, I'll be happy to fly around moving water or whatever.
>> No. 4069 Anonymous
26th August 2016
Friday 2:40 am
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>>4068
I'd say we have at least 300 years to go before interstellar travel becomes a reality. Fingers crossed for immortality drugs.

Even then I can barely afford a car let alone a spaceship.

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>> No. 4007 Anonymous
23rd October 2015
Friday 11:31 pm
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Lads, I have figured out how to save humanity. It came to me while I was having a wank to some extremely weird porn.

Since MRSA came about because of some bacteria that became immune to antibiotics, and since this will probably happen to all other kinds of bacteria and/or viruses that we suppress with antibiotics, I thought that maybe we can give these bacteria cancer, diabetes or aids, you know something like that and wait for them to become immune to it. Then we get whatever made them immune to those diseases and give it to humans.

Also, I probably saved agriculture accidentally, because if I apply the same rule to plants, and get veggies that are immune to pests, fungi, and other problems, then we won't have to use neonicotinoid pesticides and kill all the bees.

Another thing that came to me earlier today as I shat was that if babies were like "vaccinated" by giving them shellfish and peanuts, then they wouldn't become allergic to these things.

I always knew I was too fucking smart. I'm feeling very smug right now lads.
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>> No. 4023 Anonymous
20th November 2015
Friday 6:59 pm
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>>4022
Wait... Seriously? Hmm. Maybe I should google before I post things, but the problem with that is I will forget my idea by the time I open a new tab.

In any event, I know I am right.

>>4021
But this seems too good to be true.
>> No. 4024 Anonymous
20th November 2015
Friday 7:25 pm
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>>4023

>But this seems too good to be true.

Whoooooosh!
>> No. 4025 Anonymous
20th November 2015
Friday 10:43 pm
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>>4020

You are Baroness Greenfield and I claim my £5.
>> No. 4026 Anonymous
22nd November 2015
Sunday 5:21 am
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>>4020
That really made me chuckle heartily. Thank you.
>> No. 4061 Anonymous
29th May 2016
Sunday 11:00 am
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Mate retroviruses

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>> No. 4057 Anonymous
6th May 2016
Friday 5:23 pm
4057 RIP Sweet Prince
Harry Kroto, the discoverer of Buckminsterfullerene has passed on to the great geodesic ball in the sky.

http://www.theengineer.co.uk/remembering-harry-kroto-the-father-of-fullerenes/
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>> No. 4058 Anonymous
7th May 2016
Saturday 7:44 am
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This is a fucking niche Sweet Prince thread, mate.
>> No. 4059 Anonymous
7th May 2016
Saturday 8:02 am
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>>4058
Everyone loves buckyballs.
>> No. 4060 Anonymous
7th May 2016
Saturday 8:03 am
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I like a buckyonion

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>> No. 3971 Anonymous
15th October 2015
Thursday 11:05 pm
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http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/forget-water-on-mars-astronomers-may-have-just-found-giant-alien-megastructures-orbiting-a-star-near-a6693886.html

This would have made me excited once but for some reason I'm hoping it's just a weird natural formation. I don't want to live in a SF universe, I'm quite comfortable in this sort of reality. Aliens could make things very scary and complicated.
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>> No. 4019 Anonymous
12th November 2015
Thursday 9:07 pm
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>>4017
Been done, mate, when the asari found the Citadel.
>> No. 4052 Anonymous
16th April 2016
Saturday 2:15 am
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>>3971

It's close lad.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7pUAydjne5M?t=1626
>> No. 4053 Anonymous
16th April 2016
Saturday 2:19 am
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>>4052
>the first stage of the Falcon 9 will attempt an experimental landing on the “Of Course I Still Love You” droneship in the Atlantic Ocean.
Is that a song title or a ship? What a weird name.

>>4017
In Accelerando by Charles Stross the characters find some megastructures that are inhabited by not the builders but various other races that came by to visit after the builders left. Plus there's a load of other confusing stuff going on to do with interstellar information economies and scams and things. Interesting stuff.
>> No. 4054 Anonymous
16th April 2016
Saturday 9:11 am
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>>4053 Is that a song title or a ship? What a weird name.
Homage to Iain M Banks Culture ships' names.
>> No. 4055 Anonymous
16th April 2016
Saturday 3:56 pm
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>>4054
That's cool.

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>> No. 3342 Anonymous
1st September 2013
Sunday 11:31 pm
3342 One man's bullshit is another man's...
Just as a poem plants emotions in us using words, certain philosophical or scientific ideas can achieve the same thing. This, naturally, changes the way we interact with such ideas. For example, reductionist or materialist ideas that make humans to be puppets or Cartesian automata send a chill down the spine, making you feel powerless or fearful. In a similar way achieving a deep understanding of a topic might make one feel powerful and confident.

Although this shouldn't be a problem to the continued dominance of experimental science based on observation and evidence, it does appear to be a problem for the individual who must then interact with the ideas generated from evidence. This is because, as suggested, the individual does not have a dispassionate response to scientific ideas – no matter how much of a scientist they consider themselves.

This poses a particular problem when thinking at the frontiers of science; those areas of science which are still misty and unclear. For it is within those misty areas that ones gut feelings, flashes of inspiration, beliefs and hunches come in to play. It is in those misty areas that people become most passionate and most dogmatic, because of the emotion stirred by the uncertainty.

Consider that the heliocentric universe that we all accept dispassionately caused a great deal of debate, to put it lightly, when the idea was contemporary. There is now a great deal of good psychological evidence showing our emotions and individual interactions with ideas change how we think about them. If it seems likely that emotion and passion runs highest in the areas of science where reason and a detached view are most needed, then perhaps this deserves some consideration.
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>> No. 3345 Anonymous
2nd September 2013
Monday 12:16 am
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>>3342

Interesting thread starter, and I'll contribute more fully in the morning when I'm a bit more awake, but a few observations:

- I've actually found that certain groups of people are highly inclined to embrace humans as puppets or themselves as Cartesian automata. In a book I recently read the author described himself speaking at a lecture for physics and science students, and he asserted that thinking of the brain as a 'hot, wet Turing machine' wasn't just uncontroversial but commonly accepted to the point where he felt no need to include it in the lecture. It's a description I disagree with outright because it belies the intricacies of the relationship between the brain and the body (and then the body and the universe).

I believe this is a direct consqeuence of the phenomenon you mention. As we can't help but have an emotional reaction to scientific observation and evidence, we also have an equally strong counter-reaction where we feel obligated to embrace dehumanising theories and directions for science in an effort to maintain some kind of empirical integrity. In my mind this effect is just as dangerous as tarnishing our integrity, because as you point out, our views going into a science can change the directions we choose to take the study, in what manner we uncover things, how we interpret and implement results. The fallacious over-compromise I've mentioned above has resulted in things like game theory entering politics and almost every area of our lives, making faulty assumptions of people as purely self-interested consumers, and in psychology where people seem to actively want to believe that the social behaviours of animals reflect our own, ignoring human and animal specificities alike.

To me the solution to this kind of problem is to develop a coherent philosophy of science, something where we can attempt to foresee the nature of our studies, to direct our own attitudes so that we maintain our integrity without devaluing life or betraying our ethics. A lot of work has been dedicated to this subject that I intend to read about.

- I also feel that the picture is a bit misleading. Science can be open-ended for the very reasons that you describe in your post. I would argue that all human activity is open-ended, both sciences and arts, and that the only way anyone could argue that science is deterministic is if they believed that we live in a closed universe that can be fully understood, which is a viewpoint contended with at many different levels of physics and philosophy.
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5th September 2013
Thursday 4:29 pm
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>>3345
That's a great post and it makes me think of two camps which exist. One camp is based along the lines of the physicists you mentioned who have this counter reaction to emotion and the other camp is almost deliberately ignorant of scientific ideas and are very purposeful and proud about it.

You can see this quite nicely as having entered the mainstream from The Big Bang Theory. TBBT' allows people to feel clever and superior at the expense of "non geeks" but there are also countless examples of the same set-up the other way around (see "Beauty and the Geek" and others).

All of this could possibly be due to the fact that the emotional responses that people have from honestly engaging with scientific ideas just aren't compatible with how they want to live their lives. They might find them difficult, depressing or frankly all just a bit too real for people to accept when there are easier ways to exist that are less challenging.
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5th September 2013
Thursday 6:35 pm
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The science/art dichotomy is propagated by people who understand neither science nor art.

Music isn't open-ended, it exists within a fairly strict set of constraints. Western ears only recognise 12 notes of the chromatic scale, from which all melodies and harmonies are constructed. The ability of a skilled jazz musician to improvise or to fake an unfamiliar tune depends upon a very rigorous understanding of how the human ear perceives harmony and melody. A saxophonist wailing his guts out isn't just playing what's in his heart, he's thinking in precise algorithmic terms about where the harmonic structure is leading the melody. If the pianist is comping a G7 chord, the soloist can be confident that the notes of the G Mixolydian mode will sound consonant. If the previous chord was Dm7 and the current chord is G7, the next chord is most likely to be Cmaj7, resolving a ii-V-I cadence. The pianist will be thinking that the Cmaj7 (C-E-G-B) could be substituted with an Am7 (A-C-E-G) or Em7 (E-G-B-C), he'll be picturing a dizzying array of reharmonisations and ornaments.

Musicians use a precise and rigorous structure to produce a creative product, while scientists use a creative process to produce something precise and rigorous. The roots of most research lies in simple curiosity, an observation about something in the world that seems interesting. Andre Geim fiddles about with a pencil and some sellotape and discovers graphene, Francis Crick takes LSD and realises that DNA has a double-helix structure. Turning these curious observations or moments of inspiration into useful research is a long and arduous slog, but the roots of most decent research is simple whimsy.
>> No. 4050 Anonymous
27th March 2016
Sunday 1:51 pm
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I'm going to bump a three year old thread because, fuck it, this is an interesting topic. And my views have been challenged and changed a bit since I made my post and I want to reopen the discussion.

>>3347
>The roots of most research lies in simple curiosity, an observation about something in the world that seems interesting.

This is a very beautiful and surprisingly accurate idea that I've heard reiterated in a couple of memorable ways by well known figures in science and philosophy. Jacob Bronowski, a mathematician who wrote and presented an ambitious BBC documentary about human discovery called The Ascent of Man, described it as 'asking an impertinent question and finding a pertinent answer'.

Noam Chomsky puts it a little more simply as 'allowing yourself to be puzzled'. Putting that in the context of the history of science, he gives the example of early-modern thinkers accepting that steam rises and objects fall because they are 'returning to their natural place' in a system of 'sympathies and antipathies'. Only later (he says), when people allowed themselves to ask questions about phenomena which seemed intuitively obvious, did we get to any meaningful understanding of the mechanics that cause them.

>>3342
>This poses a particular problem when thinking at the frontiers of science; those areas of science which are still misty and unclear. For it is within those misty areas that ones gut feelings, flashes of inspiration, beliefs and hunches come in to play. It is in those misty areas that people become most passionate and most dogmatic, because of the emotion stirred by the uncertainty.

If you're still around, or anyone who is interested in the above topic, would probably enjoy the work of Karl Popper. He wrote about the idea of falsifiability as a measure of scientific integrity. My explanation here might be a bit clumsy, but it is essentially that only falsifiable (i.e. 'testable') statements are scientific. Eventually all scientific theories are improved, supplanted or changed. This leads to the idea that all scientific knowledge is permanently under construction, and while it may be the best we have at the time, keeping an awareness of that uncertainty is extremely important in maintaining the open-ended nature of inquiry (and limiting the amount of time we spend believing lesser theories).

For Popper this had some pretty interesting connections with society as a whole, and he stressed a better society would take this attitude of uncertainty and openness and apply it to other areas, like political institutions and human relationships more generally.
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>> No. 4051 Anonymous
27th March 2016
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>>3342
>Consider that the heliocentric universe that we all accept dispassionately
Uhh...

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>> No. 4047 Anonymous
2nd January 2016
Saturday 8:47 pm
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Theres no math board so science will have to do.
I found this video pretty interesting, even though its significance went a little over my head. still, patterns everywhere.
Is that graph at the end a parabola?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AjL_y5821-c

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>> No. 3703 Anonymous
6th September 2014
Saturday 12:00 pm
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My great nan is 101 and I'm looking to get some inheritance when she pops. Is there some way of calculating the probability of her dying each year onward? What's the chances of her living until 105? 110?
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>> No. 4039 Anonymous
10th December 2015
Thursday 5:34 pm
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>>4037
I'd rather a new iPhone, shoutout to me nan.
>> No. 4040 Anonymous
10th December 2015
Thursday 5:48 pm
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>>4037
How's tricks, Tarquin?
>> No. 4041 Anonymous
10th December 2015
Thursday 6:16 pm
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>>4040

Surely the wealthier someone is, the more likely a scramble for the cash of a dead relative would be?
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10th December 2015
Thursday 6:23 pm
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>>4036
>I have had impure thoughts about Isa. I am only mildly guilty.

You have nowt to be ashamed of in that area.

>>4037
The mothers side of the family stopped talking to one another after my nan died and I think there was even a pointless punch-up involved because an uncle felt he was entitled to a bigger share.

Seeing my mum in tears after getting off the phone at quite a young age was all I needed to put me off keeping in contact with relatives. This isn't uncommon either, everyone I know has a story like this which is why when I die I'm taking you all out with me.
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10th December 2015
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>>4042

>You have nowt to be ashamed of in that area.

I wouldn't exactly brag about it.

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>> No. 3959 Anonymous
6th October 2015
Tuesday 12:22 am
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There is this Harvard test/survey which shows you which race you might have preference for. So lads, click on the Race Test, and tell us how racist you are.

https://implicit.harvard.edu/implicit/uk/selectatest.jsp

Apparently I have a moderate preference for white people. But I blame the order in which they made me do the test.

Also, I'm not sure, but someone told me they did something with this test on a documentary on BBC3.
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>> No. 3966 Anonymous
6th October 2015
Tuesday 10:44 pm
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Apparently I also have the 'strong automatic preference for white people' but I dunno like >>3960 I'm pretty buzzed so I messed up a few times even with the identifying faces task. I'm a bit paranoid now because they went on to ask questions that could be designed to identify extremists.

I guess that is another name to the drunken racists membership list.
>> No. 3967 Anonymous
6th October 2015
Tuesday 10:53 pm
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I took it two more times, purposefully doing the reverse of what I did to get "moderate preference to white people", yet it still came out as "slight preference for white people". Even trying on purpose to associate the bad things with white people is hard, as it seems more often than not the bad words are tied to black faces more throughout the test.
>> No. 3968 Anonymous
7th October 2015
Wednesday 9:23 pm
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my result was 'strong preference for white people' i feel racist now..
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7th October 2015
Wednesday 9:35 pm
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>>3967

IATs measure very slight differences in the timing of keypresses. It is designed to be difficult to consciously influence.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Implicit-association_test
>> No. 3970 Anonymous
7th October 2015
Wednesday 10:43 pm
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>>3968

>i

A /101/ thread all to itself.

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>> No. 3948 Anonymous
31st August 2015
Monday 3:20 pm
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>> No. 3951 Anonymous
31st August 2015
Monday 4:17 pm
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>>3949
You're a moron. Can't you find anything better to do than label credited derivative works "entirely stolen"?
>> No. 3953 Anonymous
31st August 2015
Monday 4:18 pm
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>>3951
How right you are. Let me rephrase; the idea was entirely stolen from qntm but the graphics were entirely stolen from some game.
And what a shoddy job they made of it too.
>> No. 3956 Anonymous
31st August 2015
Monday 4:41 pm
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>>3949

And they, in turn, stole it all from who?

The idea of a computer simulation of the universe is hardly a radical, fresh concept. Nor is the idea of entities within the simulation being necessarily sentient. Nor is the idea that this implies we are statistically likely to exist within such a simulation ourselves.

I'm not sure what's supposed to be noteworthy about a 5 minute long G-Mod video outlining A-level philosophy concepts.
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31st August 2015
Monday 5:02 pm
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>>3956
I don't know, Picasso? Surely you agree that the video has copied more of its content from the story than the story has from the ideas it covers.

I'm not sure why a badly made videogame enactment of a short science fiction story is in /lab/, either.

(A good day to you Sir!)
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31st August 2015
Monday 5:12 pm
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>A-level philosophy concepts
I'm not entirely sure why that gets thrown around as an insult on this site. The underlying assumption seems to be that, while you're not yet so knowledgeable as to have the equivalent knowledge of a degree in every subject, you are well informed about every single subject to the depth an A level requires. I'm sure there are some people in the world about whom that could be said, but I seriously doubt any of them post on this site.

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>> No. 3907 Anonymous
18th July 2015
Saturday 9:53 pm
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Is it safe to do glycolic acid peels on your helmet?

The top of my helmet has been left with a kind of grey tinge from a fungal infection I had years ago. I've been thinking of trying an acid peel to pink it up. Is this a bad idea?
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>> No. 3909 Anonymous
18th July 2015
Saturday 11:34 pm
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>>3908

Also, don't apply any stickers to your helmet, don't leave it out in the sun and replace it every five years.

Seriously, I'd try moisturiser and a mild exfoliating wash before doing anything drastic. I think glycolic acid would burn like hell, especially if it goes down your jap's eye.
>> No. 3910 Anonymous
19th July 2015
Sunday 1:04 am
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Just leave the grey tinge, mate, it will probably look real refined to some.
>> No. 3911 Anonymous
19th July 2015
Sunday 2:29 am
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I'm gonna try it anyway. I'll post results in a few weeks.
>> No. 3954 Anonymous
31st August 2015
Monday 4:18 pm
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>>3911
I wonder if the coroner has yet recorded a verdict of "misadventure".
>> No. 3955 Anonymous
31st August 2015
Monday 4:22 pm
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>>3954
We'll surely be able to grab him a Darwin Award if he survived.

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>> No. 3912 Anonymous
2nd August 2015
Sunday 1:00 am
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Seriously, why do women seem like they're in pain when they're getting fucked? Is it actually painful and they're masochistic?
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>> No. 3943 Anonymous
6th August 2015
Thursday 8:45 pm
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Eyup, ya spunky little tarts, 'av some of r Tracy

http://xhamster.com/movies/60863/traceys_first_anal_sex.html

OBVIOUSLY NSFW


>> No. 3944 Anonymous
6th August 2015
Thursday 10:01 pm
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>>3922
The following is s public information film from the Central Office of Information.

CHARLEY SAYS NEVER BLOW AIR DIRECTLY INTO YOUR PARTNER'S VAGINA AS IT COULD CAUSE A FATAL EMBOLISM.
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6th August 2015
Thursday 10:08 pm
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>>3943
Ah jus need tuh tess this won
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6th August 2015
Thursday 11:42 pm
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>>3943
'Up the shitpipe' almost had me in tears.
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7th August 2015
Friday 12:51 am
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>>3946
Look a' yer little shitpipe all full'a knob

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