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>> No. 5341 Anonymous
1st October 2013
Tuesday 11:00 pm
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How do I use herewith properly?

I've noticed that a number of letters that we get in at work from elderly gentlemen use herewith instead of 'please find enclosed' and I've concluded that I prefer it, but I'm wary of using it in case I make a mistake.

- Herewith this letter
- Please find herewith
- Herewith a [form]
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>> No. 5343 Anonymous
1st October 2013
Tuesday 11:21 pm
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>>5341

That's a lovely comic. If I'm getting the right angle on it, it seems to be about parental responsibility and not assuming the worst of people.

Also agreeing with >>5342, it sounds best at the end of the phrase, though all are correct I think.
>> No. 5344 Anonymous
1st October 2013
Tuesday 11:26 pm
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What about please find enclosed herewith? However, that may make herewith redundant.
>> No. 5345 Anonymous
2nd October 2013
Wednesday 10:11 am
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>>5343

I think it's more about first impressions, and how you ought not to judge a person as "wrong" from them.

The yob at the start becoming a kindly grandfather to a pleasant girl who becomes a negligent mother, the smart girl who ends up working at... Wacdonalds, the "rude *****" who is simply too frightened to speak to strangers, the racist who was too weak minded to find happiness with his "paki" girl, the scary hooligan who was too ashamed of his tears to let people see his face.
>> No. 5346 Anonymous
2nd October 2013
Wednesday 10:24 am
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>>5345
I think with the Paki lass it looks more like their parents didn't want them together and his heart was broken.
>> No. 5347 Anonymous
2nd October 2013
Wednesday 4:34 pm
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>>5346
Also they were children, m8.

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>> No. 5340 Anonymous
27th September 2013
Friday 4:59 pm
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Where can I find works by Iwar von Lücken in English?

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>> No. 5324 Anonymous
17th September 2013
Tuesday 7:13 pm
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Why haven't you read it yet?

>>Faces already under silent assault, as if by something ahead, some Y2K of the workweek that no one is quite imagining, the crowds drifting slowly out into the little legendary streets, the highs beginning to dissipate, out before the casting off of veils before the luminosities of dawn, a sea of T-shirts nobody’s reading, a clamor of messages nobody’s getting, as if it’s the true text history of nights in the Alley, outcries to be attended to and not be lost, the 3:00 AM kozmo deliveries to code sessions and all-night shredding parties, the bedfellows who came and went, the bands in the clubs, the songs whose hooks still wait to ambush an idle hour, the day jobs with meetings about meetings and bosses without clue, the unreal strings of zeros, the business models changing one minute to the next, the start-up parties every night of the week and more on Thursdays than you could keep track of, which of these faces so claimed by the time, the epoch whose end they’ve been celebrating all night — which of them can see ahead, among the microclimates of binary, tracking earthwide through dark fiber and twisted pairs and nowadays wirelessly through spaces private and public, anywhere among cybersweatshop needles flashing and never still, in that unquiet vastly stitched and unstitched tapestry they have all at some time sat growing crippled in the service of — to the shape of the day imminent, a procedure waiting execution, about to be revealed, a search result with no instructions on how to look for it?
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>> No. 5326 Anonymous
17th September 2013
Tuesday 7:40 pm
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>Why haven't you read it yet?

Because it's been out for less than 24 hours. Also, I don't care.
The other place's /lit/ has been telling me to read it for months and that's a pretty big red flag right there.
>> No. 5327 Anonymous
17th September 2013
Tuesday 8:06 pm
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>cybersweatshop

Oh fuck off. I have better things to be reading.

>Maxine Tarnow is running a nice little fraud investigation business on the Upper West Side, chasing down different kinds of small-scale con artists. She used to be legally certified but her license got pulled a while back,

http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/17208457-bleeding-edge

No.
>> No. 5333 Anonymous
18th September 2013
Wednesday 4:53 pm
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It may or may not be this
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>> No. 5334 Anonymous
18th September 2013
Wednesday 5:19 pm
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I'll wait for the paperback. My thoughts on Pynchon:

V - Boring, annoying, difficult. Like Alistair Gray's Lanark, this was a crummy and long first novel he needed to get out of his system before he could start for real.

The Crying Of Lot 49 - Magical, dreamlike, sinister - a highbrow literary version of the best Philip K Dick. The best entry point by far.

Gravity's Rainbow - A very difficult book, don't let anyone tell you different. Psychedelic in its effects, rewarding if you have the patience.

Slow Learner - Enjoyable and simple short stories and a preface which humanises this most enigmatic of novelists.

Vineland - Loved it. Political as hell, funny, full of sharp and cynical observations on human behaviour.

Mason & Dixon - Dreary, over-long, genuinely pretentious. A waste of trees.

Against The Day - Crazily ambitious, some stunning prose in this, it would take a better mind than mine to follow all the plot intricacies but well worth a try if you have the stamina.
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>> No. 5335 Anonymous
18th September 2013
Wednesday 5:59 pm
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>>5334

I've been toying with reading Lot 49 and now will, based on your recommendation. Thanks.

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>> No. 4889 Anonymous
25th December 2012
Tuesday 6:46 pm
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So, what do you think of this man and his writing /lit/ ?
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>> No. 4894 Anonymous
29th December 2012
Saturday 3:28 pm
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>>4893

I'm reading Men Without Women now.

I've previously read The Sun Also Rises and A Moveable Feast.

I'm wondering if I should tackle A Farewell to Arms next.
>> No. 5245 Anonymous
21st June 2013
Friday 10:35 am
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I've only read For Whom the Bell Tolls. I thought it was an excellent book.
>> No. 5246 Anonymous
21st June 2013
Friday 11:49 am
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>>4894
I once took A Moveable Feast out of the library for my then-girlfriend and we had a bust-up and I never got it back and had to replace the copy myself. I'm sure there's some irony in there somewhere.
>> No. 5247 Anonymous
21st June 2013
Friday 4:42 pm
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>>4893
which are his best books?

I've only read the end of something - a short story.

I'll start with 'Men Without Women'.
>> No. 5314 Anonymous
5th September 2013
Thursday 1:33 pm
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I hadn't realised Tom Cruise had written anything.

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>> No. 5286 Anonymous
8th August 2013
Thursday 1:23 pm
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>Couldn't agree more. Cherryh is an extraordinary writer, capable of writing everything from high fantasy (the Morgaine saga) through rollicking space opera (the Chanur books) to 'hard' science fiction (the Alliance-Union series) and hugely underrated. She's won many awards in a long and prolific career, but in my opinion should be mentioned among the 'greats'.

>Ditto Alice Sheldon (aka James Tiptree Jr), Vonda McIntyre, and the brilliant C L Moore (who probably did more to pave the way for today's brilliant female writers than any other, writing as she did when the genre was almost exclusively male).

>Coming right up to date, Kij Johnson's work is utterly splendid.

Right lads, noticed this in the comment section of an atrocious article in the Gruan which I am not going to do the favour to of linking it. To my shame I haven't heard of any of these authors. Anyone got any advice as to which ones are worth it, or a description of their style?
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>> No. 5299 Anonymous
9th August 2013
Friday 6:15 pm
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>>5297

No toasters involved lad. However the number of women involved equals the broken rules. Not sure if related.
>> No. 5300 Anonymous
9th August 2013
Friday 6:22 pm
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To answer OP and keep this /lit/, I read some of C.J. Cherryh's SF as a young teen many years ago and found it pretty good stuff. Have never tried her fantasy and was blissfully unaware of her feminist overtones at the time. Long since grown out of science fiction.
>> No. 5301 Anonymous
9th August 2013
Friday 6:24 pm
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>>5300

OP here. I am ashamed to say that I am also >>5296 and >>5299.

I have derailed my own thread. For shame.
>> No. 5302 Anonymous
9th August 2013
Friday 6:26 pm
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>>5299

So you raped five women and then broke four of the other rules?
>> No. 5303 Anonymous
9th August 2013
Friday 6:27 pm
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>>5302

Err...pretty much. Athough confusing my penis with my brain comes into this as well. And then worse.

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>> No. 5259 Anonymous
14th July 2013
Sunday 9:01 pm
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So JK Rowling writes a book under a nom de plume in an obvious attempt to prove she can succeed as a serious adult fiction writer. The book manages to sell 1500 copies in 3 months, even with writer friends and reviewers plugging it. The story then gets leaked that she wrote it and sales jump 150000%.
I wonder if it got nominated for a few awards and sold 50k+ would she have been so quick to reveal.
Surely this just proves she is shite at adult fiction and coasting on her name.
God I hate this woman.

Thoughts lads?
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>> No. 5277 Anonymous
17th July 2013
Wednesday 4:52 pm
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>a proper critique
Who said she wanted that?

I'm not talking about a disparity. I'm saying she and her fans now have something to point to as "evidence" that she's not just overhyped, she's actually a good writer. All these good reviews for an impressive "first" book.
When in reality, it's not a good first novel, it's an average eleventh. A competent writer won't get lots of good reviews, simply because they're not in a position like hers where they can get the book reviewed. It's actually quite a poor showing.

>I'm not commenting on her literary ability.
It's relevant.
>> No. 5278 Anonymous
17th July 2013
Wednesday 5:06 pm
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>>5277
>Who said she wanted that?
Well, she did it for a reason - what do you suggest?
>> No. 5279 Anonymous
17th July 2013
Wednesday 5:09 pm
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>>5277
>A competent writer won't get lots of good reviews, simply because they're not in a position like hers where they can get the book reviewed.
But she isn't in a position to get any reviews, all she has is the agent. Galbraith wrote this book as far as reviewers are concerned.
>> No. 5280 Anonymous
17th July 2013
Wednesday 5:53 pm
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I think the idea that it's a "debut novel" or an "eleventh novel" is irrelevant, the idea is that it's a novel by a random person who people won't recognise the name of. Most people only take the author name into account when they know that they like those books and ignore it otherwise until they learn they like it.
>> No. 5281 Anonymous
17th July 2013
Wednesday 6:22 pm
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>>5278
>I'm saying she and her fans now have something to point to as "evidence" that she's not just overhyped, she's actually a good writer.
An ego boost in other words.
Not to say that is definitely her reason, but why on earth do you think we can necessarily guess her reason? Fuck knows what goes through her mind. It could be anything.

>>5279
As far as I can tell, the book had more reviews than one would expect due to who she was. Do you think she'd have been able to get that agent if she wasn't JK Rowling? Would the agent, knowing who she was, have risked their reputation by sending it to as many influential people as they did?
If an agent sends out a mediocre book by a nobody to be reviewed, they lose prestige as an agent and reviewers are less likely to review their books.
If an agent sends out a mediocre book by a nobody who later turns out to be JK Rowling, it's the reviewers who have egg on their faces.

>>5280
A good first novel is more impressive than a similarly good eleventh novel. Any given writer may receive more acclaim for a mediocre first novel than a mediocre eleventh novel because it's more of an achievement.



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>> No. 4977 Anonymous
22nd February 2013
Friday 9:20 pm
4977 in no particular order

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>> No. 4985 Anonymous
22nd February 2013
Friday 11:50 pm
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A source, or just posting more, would be very gratefully received.
>> No. 4986 Anonymous
23rd February 2013
Saturday 12:54 am
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Oh, sorry lads.
It's the One page series by Chip Zdarsky but this is all 7 so far.
http://zdarsky.tumblr.com/search/one+page
>> No. 5230 Anonymous
7th June 2013
Friday 10:25 am
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So this is um http://seinfelt.tumblr.com
>> No. 5231 Anonymous
7th June 2013
Friday 12:43 pm
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>>5230
"

Jerry buys an old typewriter to write his new material “in a classier way,” but when he discovers that all his new jokes seem to be coming true in real life, he starts writing stories about himself with increasingly improved living conditions and romantic ventures. Laryngitis renders Elaine’s voice a monotonous croak, but the others insist she always talks that way. George keeps taking different routes home from work in order to avoid a particularly vicious-looking dog, but every route he chooses, no matter how circuitous or convoluted, seems to bring him right across its path. Kramer buys a street organ at a flea market and starts playing it on sidewalks throughout the city, mistakenly believing that any nearby monkeys will be drawn in by the music.

His life exactly the way he wants it, Jerry locks his typewriter away in a steel box in his bedroom closet. He returns to the main room of his apartment to find Kramer flipping through a stack of pages that had been left out.

“You’re a pretty self-absorbed guy,” remarks Kramer, chomping an apple borrowed from Jerry’s fruit bowl.

George and Elaine arrive shortly thereafter, within moments of each other. Jerry quickly cleans up the stacks of pages before anyone else gets a chance to read them and returns to the living room. He smiles at the others, happy to finally have some friends. They believe their own backstories, and he was sure that with some practice, he could grow to believe them himself."
>> No. 5258 Anonymous
4th July 2013
Thursday 10:21 pm
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This is also a joke.

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>> No. 5249 Anonymous
2nd July 2013
Tuesday 8:25 am
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Is this for real? I'm not a holocaust-denier or something but I feel a bit jaded after being conned by the fake autobiographies A Million Little Pieces by James Frey and You Got Nothing Coming by Jimmy Lerner.

How does he cheat death so many times? Is he a superhero or something?

He's trapped in a burning house and he hasn't eaten for days. He tries to off himself with a handful of sleeping pills. He wakes up later and is fine despite the fact the room is full of smoke and the door handle is too hot to touch. Really?
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>> No. 5253 Anonymous
2nd July 2013
Tuesday 3:40 pm
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>>5251
Whereas I thought it an admittedly cheesy but fairly effective way of conveying his exhaustion, his trauma and his pain.

His trauma.
And his pain.

Because when you are being paid by the word and need to fill 300 pages, it's the only option left.

The only option.
Left.
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2nd July 2013
Tuesday 4:06 pm
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>something but I feel a bit jaded after being conned by the fake autobiographies A Million Little Pieces by James Frey

This is a common thing isn't it? I read a Child Called It a while back and I'm pretty sure it's fake too.

It's so pathetic that these people do this and make so much money.
>> No. 5255 Anonymous
2nd July 2013
Tuesday 4:13 pm
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>>5254

I give misery memoirs a wide berth regardless of whether they're supposedly true or not. Prison memoirs are my guilty pleasure though.

I think Dave Pelzer's family said he grossly exaggerated but if they were as bad as he claimed, they would say that anyway.

Constance Briscoe's mum sued her for libel and won but then it got overtuned in the High Court.
>> No. 5256 Anonymous
2nd July 2013
Tuesday 4:23 pm
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>>5253
I snickered.
>> No. 5257 Anonymous
2nd July 2013
Tuesday 4:29 pm
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Sure, of goat's milk I'm going to have me fill...

https://www.youtube.com/v/l2UCnrQMJVM

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>> No. 5236 Anonymous
13th June 2013
Thursday 10:46 am
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I'm looking for some good travel literature. Modern and historic are both fine. I'm especially interested in motorcycle and railway travel around Europe.

I'm probably going to start with Bradshaw's Continental Railway Guide. What do you think, /lit/?
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>> No. 5241 Anonymous
14th June 2013
Friday 12:07 am
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It's not Europe or those specific modes of transport, but it's good. They travel all around the world with the UN.
>> No. 5242 Anonymous
14th June 2013
Friday 12:08 am
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I liked this too.
>> No. 5243 Anonymous
14th June 2013
Friday 12:13 am
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They're not exactly high literature but books about people doing a lot of travelling for a stupid bet can be quite engaging.

I'm thinking of Dave Gorman's Googlewhack Adventure and the following three by Tony Hawks:

One Hit Wonder
Playing the Moldovans at Tennis
Round Ireland With a Fridge

I know he's a painfully unfunny "comedian" but he's a much better author.
>> No. 5244 Anonymous
14th June 2013
Friday 3:06 pm
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>>5236

See >>4215

AND DELETE THIS THREAD. IN FUTURE CHECK EVERY PAGE OF EVERY BOARD TO MAKE SURE YOU'RE NOT POSTING A REDUNDANT THREAD YOU BUGGER.
>> No. 5248 Anonymous
23rd June 2013
Sunday 10:00 pm
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Jupiter's Travels is pretty much the definitive motorcycle travel journal. Inspired me, and countless others, to climb on a bike and ride over the horizon.

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>> No. 5232 Anonymous
9th June 2013
Sunday 4:23 pm
5232 RIP Iain Banks
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-22835047
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>> No. 5233 Anonymous
9th June 2013
Sunday 5:22 pm
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>>5232
:(

May he rest in the infinite fun space of his imagination. Gutted.
>> No. 5234 Anonymous
9th June 2013
Sunday 7:44 pm
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Very sad.

Sad too that he didn't get to enjoy seeing the release of his last book. It's going to make pretty tough reading I suspect.
>> No. 5235 Anonymous
9th June 2013
Sunday 10:23 pm
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Poor bloke. So sudden. I usually expect high-profile people with illnesses to defy their doctors, like al-Megrahi did.

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>> No. 5225 Anonymous
5th June 2013
Wednesday 5:22 pm
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I remember in school (I left in 1996) I was taught that "seperate" is the correct spelling for the verb and "separate" is the correct spelling for the adjective, but spell-checks and dictionaries don't seem to accept "seperate" as a real word now so has it been phased out?
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>> No. 5226 Anonymous
5th June 2013
Wednesday 5:35 pm
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>>5225
I am older than you and do not remember 'seperate' ever being acceptable. My 1990s edition of the OED includes it but tagged 'obs.' Sounds like you had a cranky and misinformed old teacher.
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5th June 2013
Wednesday 5:51 pm
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>>5226

I've found some people who were taught the same thing here:

http://thomasfreudenberg.com/blog/archive/2007/01/15/separate-vs-seperate.aspx

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>This appears to be another of the UK/US divisors.

>I actually went to my attic and found my old case of school papers and my old school dictionary (pack rat -- sue me)

>In the UK, we were taught that there were two different words. SepArate, a verb: "We need to separate those rabbits"

>and SepErate, a noun: "We now keep the rabbits in seperate pens"
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>> No. 5229 Anonymous
5th June 2013
Wednesday 6:02 pm
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It seems like I'd remembered the two spellings the wrong way around anyway.

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>> No. 5035 Anonymous
21st April 2013
Sunday 12:26 pm
5035 Amazon vs. bookstores
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-22098575
>Victoria Barnsley, chief executive of HarperCollins, recently suggested the idea of charging a fee for browsing bookshops is "not that insane".
Can you see this actually happening? I can't imagine it being anything other than an immediate kiss of death. There's no way I'll ever pay to get into a book shop just to browse (even if that money comes off any purchase), that's an unmistakeable "fuck you" to the consumer.

You're a bookish lot around here, why do you think we need book stores anyway? What do they offer that Amazon et al don't?
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>> No. 5219 Anonymous
31st May 2013
Friday 1:03 am
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>>5218
>board game night

Yeeeessssss. I don't even know of any indie bookshops in my city but if one existed and it had one of these I'd tramp over hill and dale to attend.
>> No. 5220 Anonymous
31st May 2013
Friday 1:24 am
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>>5219

3 quid, with free tea and cake. What more could you ask for on a Friday?

Also, lots of girls. I think my local must start seeing less of me...
>> No. 5221 Anonymous
31st May 2013
Friday 2:16 am
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>>5220
You're going to have to carry on stoking my jealousy by telling me which board games will be played; if it's Monopoly I won't feel too bad, but if you say Game Of Life I'm going to be positively green.
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31st May 2013
Friday 5:08 am
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>>5219
I would quite honestly love to throw a party where all we'd do is drink tea and play board games. My friends would sadly think me a bit of a nutjob if I suggested it. Sometimes I fear I really am a boring man.
>> No. 5223 Anonymous
31st May 2013
Friday 12:22 pm
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>>5221

I will happpily do so lad. I did have a quick gander at the massive stack of games there, and while (I hate to admit) there was a Monopoly variation, I did not recognise any of the other thirty or so. Which bodes well.

>>5222

I will be getting raucously pissed, and their will be pussy. Lots of very fine pussy from the looks of the photos online - taken by a lass for har Fakkybuk group. I will let you know how it goes.

Oh, and its run by a witch. THE DREAM!

(A good day to you Sir!)

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>> No. 5155 Anonymous
16th May 2013
Thursday 9:13 pm
5155 What can you tell about a person by what they read?
Interestingly, I was logged into my library account and found a way to download a list of all of the books I have read over the last year.

What do you think of this as a reading list? I look back over it and see so many books I want to read again. What do you think the books I read reveal about my personality? As when I perused the list I saw some odd titles that actually go against some of my beliefs.

So here we go, here are the books I have read over the last year:

Bonded by blood,

By O'Mahoney, Bernard

Essex Boys, the new generation
Essex Boys, the new generation

By O'Mahoney, Bernard

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>> No. 5208 Anonymous
29th May 2013
Wednesday 7:46 pm
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Fuck it I'll post what's on my kindle and the books beside my bed that I've either read or am halfway through. I went on a bit of a Foster Wallace binge after Infinite Jest hence the amount on my kindle.


Kindle:

Ulysses - James Joyce (currently 34% into it according to my kindle, enjoying it but haven't had the time to sit down with it properly the last few weeks)

I Am a Strange Loop - Douglas Hofstadter

Notes From a Small Island - Bill Bryson (Love a bit of Bryson but hadn't read this, think I read it after someone mentioned it on here)

NW - Zadie Smith

Oblivion: Stories - David Foster Wallace

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>> No. 5209 Anonymous
30th May 2013
Thursday 4:01 am
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>>5208

>Let the snide mockery and belittling of my tastes begin.

The only snide mockery you'll get from me is about the fact that you alternated between Author/Title and Title/Author towards the end of your list. Not trying to be a git, it just irks me.
>> No. 5210 Anonymous
30th May 2013
Thursday 9:11 am
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>>5208

That's quite a modern list. I suspect you use /lit/ on the other place and read The Guardian. Gurdjieff sounds interesting.
>> No. 5211 Anonymous
30th May 2013
Thursday 9:25 am
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>>5208

>Umbrella - Will Self

I moved that over to my ereader and had a quick look at it to make sure the formatting hadn't got garbled and I really thought it had done till I used Amazon's "look inside" feature and found it was supposed to be like that.
>> No. 5215 Anonymous
30th May 2013
Thursday 6:47 pm
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>you alternated between Author/Title and Title/Author towards the end of your list. Not trying to be a git, it just irks me.

Ah bollocks, yeah that actually annoys me as well. I can only blame tiredness from work. Can't be fucked deleting the post now though.

>>5210
Never been on /lit/ at the other place, will read a Guardian article if it's linked somewhere and looks interesting. Don't really read any papers properly, just the odd article.

Yeah the Gurdjieff was interesting but a proper fucking slog and just so much hard work to get through, and I actually really enjoy books that are sort or hard work. But yeah I remember it just being purposely really fucking obtruse, which as far as I understand was Gurdjieff's intention.

>>5211
Yeah, the narrative is all over the shop. I enjoy that sort of stuff though, where you don't even really know what the fuck is going on for half the book and then it slowly starts to click into place. I can understand it not being to everyone's taste though.

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>> No. 5198 Anonymous
20th May 2013
Monday 1:35 am
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So they were able to film this? I always thought 8-year-olds doing fisting was Hollywood material.
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>> No. 5200 Anonymous
20th May 2013
Monday 1:49 am
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>>5199

I haven't got round to the film but I've just finished the book. The book was excellent actually.
>> No. 5201 Anonymous
20th May 2013
Monday 1:51 am
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>>5200

I just wonder how they'd skirt around some of the themes like one lad who got nonced really liked it.
>> No. 5202 Anonymous
20th May 2013
Monday 9:00 am
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>>5201

Why would they skirt round it? If there is noncing then the Mail etc will be up in arms anyway irrespective of how it's done.
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20th May 2013
Monday 9:10 am
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>>5202

I think it was a little indie film that flew under their radar.

One lad was extremely traumatised by it and the one who liked it had a dead dad and an alcoholic mum and was looking for affection in the wrong places and idealised it.

Every sex scene in that book is extremely icky though. There was one where the gay guy is hustling and he has to massage this guy who's all covered in AIDS lesions then jerk off in front of him. The other guy has this fat and aging spinster throw herself at him and the details of that are nearly as off-putting.
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1st June 2013
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>>5203
I watched it a while ago and recall it being pretty grim

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