>>21359

The paper you cited totally contradicts your claims. The proportion of Chinese people who reported rarely or never washing their hands after defecation was 1.8% in rural communities and 0.9% in urban communities. The study clearly shows that most Chinese people are aware of the importance of hand hygiene and wash their hands when they're supposed to most of the time.

Hand hygiene adherence in China is clearly less than perfect, but we can't say that it's any worse than in the West without comparable data. We know from hospital-based studies that even doctors are pretty slapdash about handwashing unless you nag them.

>>21356

>it's got a piss poor mortality rate on anyone who wasn't at death's door already


Also, there is growing evidence that the infection remains symtomless in quite a number of patients. If you don't have symptoms, quite likely you're not going to go see a doctor. Because how will you know you're infected. And then you probably have others where symtoms resemble those of a mild to moderate flu, which again won't prompt them to seek medical help and have their case become part of the statistic.

So if you only have those seeking treatment who have become gravely ill from the virus, then naturally it's going to skew your statistical data. And if you look at pandemics like the Spanish Flu in the 1920s, which killed tens of millions very rapidly at a time when there were far fewer people on the planet and mobility was much less due to commercial international flight being in its infancy, then it's evident that by comparison, the coronavirus is a storm in a teacup, and will stay that way.

>>21361

I must be misunderstanding something as I read this :

>This study found that 52.7% (rural vs urban: 44.6% vs 56.8%) and 67.3% (rural vs urban: 59.7% vs 71.1%) of Chinese adults reported they always washed hands before eating and after defaecation, and 30.0% (rural vs urban: 25.1% vs 32.8%) of adults always used soap or other sanitizers during washing. Using the criteria of 'always or very often washing hands with soap before eating and after defaecation without sharing a towel with family members after washing', only 47.2% (rural vs urban: 23.8% vs 59.1%) of the adults were graded to practice proper handwashing behaviour.

I concede that I can't really say it's any worse there than in the west, other than anecdotally.

>>21364

>>21360

So it will still spread but slower because you have less vectors? So it won't stop it spreading then?

>>21320
>I think there is a fairly new phaenomenon of people feeling depressed after looking at other people's Instagram stories or social media profiles, and not realising that even a person posing at the Grand Canyon usually has a life off-camera that's just as dowdy and boring as fuck as yours.
"Fairly new" being almost as old as Facebook but otherwise correct.

>>21321

I've never really used facebook for much else besides stalking exes.

>>21322

Your own personal behaviour doesn't constitute a "phenomenon".

>>21321

Long before Facebook, we had the Christmas round-robin letter.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/7785410.stm

>>21324

Some people still send those out, but it seems to be more middle aged people.

>>21270
Do you have evidence to back that statement up?

Come summer farmers will be absolutely screaming for people to help pick this years crops.

>>21268

What an odd straw man. Why on earth would you possibly draw that conclusion and suggest it is the only other option.

Those 2 concepts are not related please don't reply with a false dilemma stating how they are and how one leads to the other. There are other systems that rehabilitate prisoners more effectively. The choices aren't only our currently flawed system or the American industrial prison complex.

>>21269
I thought the bloke from November had been fully taking part in the rehabilitation programme that his victims were running, was quoted saying how great it was and changed his life etc.?

>>21284
He had, but that doesn't suit the narrative.

Why is it considered acceptable to snitch to someone's employer on twitter?

I am disgusted.

>>21176
Attempting to ruin someone's life is seen as an acceptable part of online shaming.

>>21176
I think the kids call it "cancel culture".

>>21178

>Attempting to ruin someone's life is seen as an acceptable part of online shaming

And for the most selfish of reasons. Just because somebody offended your really quite often bigoted and narrow-minded world view by throwing a wry Twitter remark out there that you and a mob of 20 others disagree with, and which may or may not have been ever so mildly in bad taste, doesn't give you the right to put that person out of a job.

Even if somebody tweets something really quite bad like Fuck all darkie poofs, burn eskimos at the stake and put women back in the kitchen where they belong, at the end of the day, somebody who tweets that may be a horribly failed person, let alone the fact that he'll break half a dozen anti-discrimination laws, but he still has a right to be in gainful employment somewhere. Probably not in any kind of capacity where he will reflect badly on his employer and have much to do with customers.

But if you believe that somebody who's said something that's either admittedly horribly wrong on many levels, or something that just plain offends your own temperamental sensibilities forfeits his right to eke out a living, then that person isn't the only one who needs their head examined.

>>21079

>"Allegedly" coppers are given targets for arresting a certain number of people to arrest per week

I've never bought that one, it doesn't seem to make much sense, since arresting loads of people is expensive.

>>21080

Every copper I've spoken to says that being stuck at a custody suite is the least favourite part of their job. Beat coppers have no lack of ways to skive off, most of which are far more interesting than babysitting an arsehole and filling out forms.

>>21081

The targets were brought in under Labour and scrapped under Cameron but the senior police officers loyal to Labour kept them in place anyway. I'm a Labout voter.

To clear up the issue of legality the police can do what they want internally unless instructed to the contrary. If targets are X then under labour they were instructed to have X, under Cameron they were instructed they no longer need to have X but they decided to keep it under a different name anyway.

This was big years ago, I don't know if the senior management of the popo was purged by May or Johnson and they've fixed the targets issue but I haven't heard of the targets being scrapped so I assume they're still there.

pigs

I thought it was just the Japanese doing all the crazy shit in Asia.

>>21020

>And yet you've still got to use 'real', not real, when saying this because you're aware there's a difference

It's not the fact that there is a difference that matters, but what you are going to do with that realisation. Many transpeople nowadays are relatively open about their condition, if 'condition' is the right word, and will tell you freely that they are trans, and not a biological woman or man. Back in the 80s and maybe even the 70s, when transsexuality was still poorly understood not by medical and psychiatric science as such but mainly in popular culture, there was a great deal of stigma involved, which led to people like Amanda Lear adamantly - and to this day - denying that they were 'born as a boy'. Some transwomen or -men still decide to go deep stealth, especially the ones who are very passable, but in today's world, I don't think it matters much anymore. You can live the life of a completely average person today even with everybody knowing that you're transgendered. There will always be people who will think that you are a freak, but that is also still true for gays and lesbians, and look at the way they are widely accepted nowadays.

>>21020

>as your argument at face value explicates that a biological father is 'less' of a father than an adoptive one

That's not even close. What I meant is that it can be supposed that someone who actively chooses fatherhood despite many hurdles is likely to end up more dedicated than a great many people who end up fathers by circumstance. I thought you'd have figured that out from it being used in the context of a point about being trans.

>And yet you've still got to use 'real', not real, when saying this because you're aware there's a difference.

Actually what I was doing there was highlighting the fact that many people have an idea of what a 'real' man or woman is, and that is almost entirely based on their own perceptions of gender. "real men do x" and so on. I use the word "real" in quotes to acknowledge how loaded and controversial even that definition is.

>>21022

> I use the word "real" in quotes to acknowledge how loaded and controversial even that definition is.

As you said, everyone has their own definition of "real", just as everybody has their own subjective perception of reality itself.

Just take crying. Traditionally, "real" me were expected not to cry. I'd say today it's more like, real men aren't afraid to cry. Then again, only when the situation makes it seem adequate. You're allowed to cry if your football team gets a hammering on the pitch, or when your children are born, but spontaneously bursting into tears because you encounter a stressful situation or somebody in everyday life is being a jerk to you is still largely the preserve of women with a tendency for drama. and maybe a few poofs

>>21023

It's not often I agree with the Fisher brigade but when it comes to crying, I think it is a double standard that goes both ways. Like you say a woman bursting into tears is still largely seen as a drama queen and as if she's looking for attention.

Mind you, being based in truth doesn't stop it being sexism I suppose. Then again that's the rub for a lot of the gender wars bullshit if you think about it.

>>21024

> Like you say a woman bursting into tears is still largely seen as a drama queen and as if she's looking for attention.

Not wanting to sweepingly generalise again, but my brother was with a lass of that description for over five years. She was famous for her crying fits whenever my brother wanted to go off and do something with his mates and without her, or really anything where she wasn't the centre of attention. Even when my brother was in hospital with a very serious case of pneumonia, she called him on the phone at the hospital and started yammering about the fact that she couldn't study for her uni exams properly because he wasn't there to help her. He was studying to become an engineer and she was in medical school, so any help he would have been able to give her would have been marginal, which made it all the more obvious that she was just jealous because for once, all the attention was on my brother, and rightly so, because he was in quite critical condition when he was admitted.

She also had no real friends. Very probably because she was just an all around selfish person that way. My brother's friends more or less tolerated her, but she herself really didn't have anything you could have called a circle of friends that was separate from my brother's.

>>20954
Possibly, but I think that we are unlikely to know because of course few of the suspected victims have come forward, and of those who have none would admit to the police that they nearly put him in the hospital after the rape had already taken place or they might be in trouble themselves.

>>20954

GHB/GBL is a) incredibly potent and b) ubiquitous on the gay scene. Anyone who has spent time on the gay scene will be familiar with the sight of someone completely spark out because they've accidentally overdosed on G, so it's obvious where Sinaga got the idea. Someone with no tolerance would be rendered completely helpless by just a few millilitres.

https://www.pinknews.co.uk/2019/09/06/chemsex-ghb-dispatches-buzzfeed-news-patrick-strudwick-terrence-higgins-trust/

>>20957

To give you some kind of idea of how whack the dose-response curve is with GBL especially, when I used to dabble with it my "golden dose" was exactly 1.7ml. At 1.6 I didn't get exactly the kind of giddy rushes I wanted and at 1.8 I'd go over the edge and conk out. One time I recklessly double-dosed and by the time I came back around people were about to call an ambulance.

>>20957
I think you mean obligatory.

>>20885

>So you're saying that we should keep the signals indicating that you should cross now, including the beeping for blind people, but just don't stop the cars?

Is that what I said? Fuck. I meant a different toned beep so blind people don't just walk in the road. The lights wouldn't change, neither traffic nor pedestrian, unless there's someone still waiting to cross after the initial press, since there's generally a delay.

>>20885

I get what he's saying, after the first press, at the time the lights would have changed instead a calming woman voice would say "Are you still here? Press again to confirm" and if it was pressed again the lights would change. It's a perfect system.

From the perspective of a motorist, though, watching the lights change as a direct reaction to some cunt stood there pressing the button would probably annoy me far more than them changing themselves while unoccupied by pedestrians.

As I type this though, I realise that I'm pretty sure many crossings already have pedestrian sensing cameras on them, so I'd be pretty fucking surprised if they didn't already simply not change if the crossing no longer has people stood at it.

>>20887

Thanks for being my wordsmith mate.

>watching the lights change as a direct reaction to some cunt stood there pressing the button would probably annoy me far more than them changing themselves while unoccupied by pedestrians.

Fuck, really? I've not driven in 10 years so I don't really know, I assumed it'd be more annoying to have them arbitrarily stop you with nary a punter in sight.

>As I type this though, I realise that I'm pretty sure many crossings already have pedestrian sensing cameras on them, so I'd be pretty fucking surprised if they didn't already simply not change if the crossing no longer has people stood at it.

Good point, though presumably this isn't super widespread, but still somewhat prevalent. Do you know that they would prevent a change occurring if detecting no pedestrian at the lights, or is that a guess? Seems like something that could produce false positives depending on the method, do you know if that system is widespread?

>>20888

>Do you know that they would prevent a change occurring if detecting no pedestrian at the lights, or is that a guess?

It's just a guess, possibly based on fuzzy memories of observing them, but I feel like I haven't been stuck waiting at an empty crossing in a good long while.

Couldn't really tell you an more, but I notice just about every crossing in my particular town has camera/sensor things pointed at the pedestrians.

Hmmmmmm

>>20000

>>20599
Have you ever seen old people? They all have weird fat ears.
Everyone's ears actually carry on growing bigger through their entire life, which would probably explain what people think they are seeing.

ummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

Ummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/jeffrey-epstein-was-murdered-former-medical-examiner-michael-baden-claims-nzn99wdzn

>>20874
https://github.com/iamadamdev/bypass-paywalls-chrome

>investigates high-profile deaths on a long-running television series and was hired by Epstein’s brother, Mark

So now he's being paid to say more than he was prepared to say contemporaneously?

Maybe it's just because I'm a young(ish) lad who has owned classic cars, but I thought this was obvious. The difference in awareness even for me, between driving an early 90s jap sports car and a drive by wire modern luxury car is ridiculous. In the latter I don't even 'need' to stay fully conscious doing 90mph on the motorway, as the car will stay in the lane for me. After feeling the contrast between my bells and whistles 4x4 and, at the time, my Mk2 MR2, which is a car that demands complete attention, I turned off most of the 'driver assist' features in the modern car because I realised how much worse I was at being a road user with them on. And of course and cyclist or motorcyclist can tell you that even the most basic car robs you of a certain level of awareness, since most minor mistakes don't involve you ended up picking gravel out of your skin in a car.

I'd say beyond all the technological advances, the most significant safety feature of most modern mass market cars is the shift to front engine, front wheel drive. You can chuck your hot hatch around just about any corner and only ever have to deal with understeer, and that can be remedied by braking and your car's computer anyway. Then people buy a BMW and have no idea the back end is going to go out on them if they drive it like their old Corsa and end up, if they're lucky, facing the wrong way in traffic when they try to take a corner they think they can take. I suppose that's not really the same thing as driver aids, but whenever I see a wrecked fast/sports car that's clearly taken a bad corner it's a RWD.

>>20789

> but whenever I see a wrecked fast/sports car that's clearly taken a bad corner it's a RWD.

Also, you have to factor in that many true sports cars have a mid- or even a rear engine combined with RWD. While it makes for near-ideal weight distribution and lets you corner like a Formula 1 racer, it isn't the best layout in terms of stability.

If you take cars like the MG F or TF, not "true" sports cars, I know, but mid engined nonetheless, they're loads of fun to drive for sheer agility, but if you push your luck around a bend with barely a drop of water on the road, it's going to turn into a carousel ride. I used to have an 03 reg TF, and when I still had it relatively new, one day I was going around a curve in city traffic and there was a moist patch on the road surface, not wet, just moist, but it was enough for the rear of the car to break out completely without warning and me ending up doing a 180. Luckily, this was on a Sunday morning and there weren't many other cars around, but you get the picture. And having a 400hp mid-engined RWD car like a Ferrari or Lamborghini isn't going to make going around a tight bend at break-neck speed much less dangerous. I think that's what many people underestimate about the mid engine layout. You can corner at quite daring speeds, but it's hard to judge without proper experience at which point things get dangerous and you run the risk of spinning out.

>>20847

>Also, you have to factor in that many true sports cars have a mid- or even a rear engine combined with RWD.

Back in the '80s, the Porsche 911 had a terrible reputation as a widowmaker - an unwary driver just needed to carry a little bit too much speed into a roundabout and they went arse-first into a ditch.

In this respect, I will defend driver aids. Modern cars with ABS and DSC are incredibly stable, to the point that they really won't let you lose traction. The vast majority of drivers just don't have the skills to modulate their braking effort during an emergency stop or countersteer out of a skid, so I don't see the harm in providing an electronic safety net to prevent an unsalvageable four-wheel lock-up.

How can they make me a bad driver when I don't even drive? Idiot.

>>20849

>Back in the '80s, the Porsche 911 had a terrible reputation as a widowmaker

Even before that, the 1973-onward 911 turbo was notoriously difficult to drive, partly because of its rear engine RWD platform, but also due to its turbo charger which had a huge turbo lag, which meant you pretty much always had to go at near-full throttle to keep it happy. Which is not something an inexperienced driver could handle well on public roads.

And then the Audi quattro S1 from the heyday of down-and-dirty Group B rallying was a similar death trap, it did have a top heavy, cast iron five-cylinder turbo engine which meant very pronounced understeer, but it, too, was not a car that was for beginners, neither on the rallying circuit, nor on public roads in its homologated incarnation as the Audi Urquattro.

Back then, cars like that really commanded the skill of a seasoned sports car or GT driver even in everyday use, but when you look at cars like the Audi R8 today, they come with a vast array of assistance systems that mean even the discerning corporate lawyer who's late for work doesn't run much of a risk of wrecking it on his morning commute.

>>20842
So what?

>>20843

Are you saying so what to the reported number of sleeper daft militant wog agents in the UK or to the Mail Online's deliberate scaremongering and misrepresentation of the economic benefits of diversity?

>>20843
It's the news. This is the news.

>>20844

#notalleskimos

>>20846

It's a bit sizeist to discriminate on the basis of height lad. I'm fine with eskimos of all frame shapes, from dwarf to monster. You should be too and if you don't get with the program it's off to the old clink with you.

>>20836
Yeah, you seem lovely.

>>20836
I don't think the climate is right for that even in the mountains.

>>20836
They'd get lost in the wilderness because they only know how to find East.

Looking through the Defra report, there's little mention of so called threats to funding but a concern of the 'national' status in symbolic terms:
https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/833726/landscapes-review-final-report.pdf

The report looks like it was drawn-up by bored civil servants keen to say the right things and, similarly, the interviewees talked about circular problems, such as feelings of being stared at, rather than racist owls. It argues for various unsexy things like mandating that all children should spend a night under the stars and highlights that various diversity successful programmes exist but they tend to suffer funding trouble.

Slow news day.

>>20836

I'd be completely down for building Al Aqsa 2: Electric Boogaloo in the middle of the Yorkshire moors.

>>20812

While it would probably be perfectly legal for me as a late 30s bloke to shag a 16 year old, albeit massively morally questionable, honestly I don't think I would if I had the chance. I'm not sure what exactly a 16 year old would be able to give me in bed. It was bad enough the first time around when I was 16 years old myself and had to deal with all the adolescent teenlass drama of trying to get someone like that in bed. I don't think it's something I'd want to go through again. Also, a 16 year old will not have had her cherry popped that long ago, so the amount of sexual experience she will have will be fairly limited. I think you have to be at least borderline paedo if that kind of thing is something you actively pursue. At my age anyway.

>>20816
I dunno, if the opportunity arose I might, just because I didn't get any as a teenager and want to see what it's like to do it at that age.

>>20819
>I didn't get any as a teenager and want to see what it's like to do it at that age.

You can shoot your muck and be ready to go for round two about ten minutes later. When you're older you have a much longer refractory period so you only get one shot to give a good performance.

>>20820

On the other hand, I think I remember reading something that women reach the height of their horniness around age 24 or thereabouts. Which I think I can kind of confirm. The 16- or 17-year-olds I had sex with as a teenlad seemed to "need it" significantly less than some women I dated years later who were in their mid-20s.

Maybe 20something women are just more secure in themselves and have an easier time just letting themselves go during sex, but I think one factor is also that a woman's estrogen levels are at their highest some time around age 18 to 20. Estrogen tends to dampen sexual desire also in women. And then when you throw hormonal contraceptives into the mix, it's plausible that as a general rule, the best sex you will have with a woman will not be when she's 17, but when she's in her mid-20s. Also, by that time, they will be more experienced, which means they won't give you a handjob that will feel like they're sanding down a chair leg.

>>20815

>Our band was an emo (post hard-core really but whatever)

Well, I'll give you the benefit of the doubt in that case, if your were in on that scene in the mid 2000s you were sat on top of the proverbial well. I was in a metal band around that time, albeit the kind of Trivium/A7X type shite lasses still listened to, but they were hardly throwing themselves at us.

I'm surprised nobody has ever accused Oli Sykes of being a pedo. I met him once and he was a right bellend. He definitely seemed like the type.

Most of my shagging since then has been achieved by having long hair and a profile picture of me playing a gig, though. Thankfully you can check people's age on Tinder and the like, but even then, I've literally had birds saying things like "I'm really 17 but I lied so I could sign up". In a lot of cases, I think being with an older bloke is desirable to them- Obviously they'll regret it horribly later in life, and it's any bloke's duty to leave well alone, but nevertheless.

Honestly though I don't think there's any kind of age to shaggability correlation. If my experience has taught me one thing, it's that slightly chubby (but not outright fat) ones are always the best. The ones who know they've got a cracking arse, but just enough of a muffin top to feel insecure about it, are the sweet spot. It's like the horseshoe theory.

>>20790

They should have fired him in March then.

>>20790
I mean, it's definitely about the 737 - but this hasn't helped.

>>20792

Exactly all eyes are on them that they aren't potentially lethal fuck wits and they just went and confirmed they are.

>>20791
I read something that said most of the issues with Boeing recently were inherited from the previous CEO and he was slowly starting to get them back on track. Apparently his successor isn't going to try to change the poor managerial culture they have and will instead make the problems worse through cost cutting and laying people off.

If you're interested in the 737 MAX story, this presentation is brilliant - it recreates in the simulator how hard it was to recover from runaway MCAS failure.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PlaMQBEg-9M