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>> No. 12708 Anonymous
22nd May 2017
Monday 11:46 pm
12708 Manchester
This doesn't look good.
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>> No. 12709 Anonymous
23rd May 2017
Tuesday 12:01 am
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>>12708
While not as bad as some I've seen, the "is everyone okay ps can has pix plz" is still fucking cringeworthy, and the people who do it should have some serious words with themselves.

https://twitter.com/JoeAaronGregory/status/866784565821677569
>> No. 12710 Anonymous
23rd May 2017
Tuesday 12:01 am
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Would've been full of littleuns with it being an Ariana Grande concert
>> No. 12711 Anonymous
23rd May 2017
Tuesday 12:04 am
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>>12710
Unlikely. They were all paedos in their late 20s.
>> No. 12712 Anonymous
23rd May 2017
Tuesday 12:17 am
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Some drama kicking off on social media about how people are being censored because the sites keep deleting their photos of carnage at the Manchester Arena taken from an army training exercise a couple of years ago involving dummies and volunteers.
>> No. 12713 Anonymous
23rd May 2017
Tuesday 12:20 am
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Being reported now at least 20 dead
>> No. 12714 Anonymous
23rd May 2017
Tuesday 12:30 am
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>>12713
Speculation its a nail bomb attack.
>> No. 12715 Anonymous
23rd May 2017
Tuesday 12:36 am
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>>12714
Signature right-wing weaponry.

Place your bets lads. Is it eskimos or skinheads?
>> No. 12716 Anonymous
23rd May 2017
Tuesday 12:58 am
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>>12715
Seen reports that police arrested a man of Asian appearance. Also reports of a gunman at Oldham Hospital.

This is very frightening. I expect these things in London, not at a kiddy concert in Manchester.
>> No. 12717 Anonymous
23rd May 2017
Tuesday 1:04 am
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Reports that around 60 unaccompanied children have ended up in a hotel nearby. I won't make a joke, not least because they​ write themselves.
>> No. 12718 Anonymous
23rd May 2017
Tuesday 1:06 am
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This is fucking insane isn't it lads?
>> No. 12720 Anonymous
23rd May 2017
Tuesday 1:13 am
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GMP Confirms at least 19 dead, 50+ injured and rising.
>> No. 12721 Anonymous
23rd May 2017
Tuesday 1:13 am
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>>12718
Atleast it isn't happening in London this time.
>> No. 12722 Anonymous
23rd May 2017
Tuesday 1:21 am
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>>12720
What an awful business.
>> No. 12723 Anonymous
23rd May 2017
Tuesday 1:24 am
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Now, did it happen at the end of the show for some twisted, tactical purpose, or was the bomber getting their money's worth and actually watching Arianna Grande's show before attacking?

We could be dealing with a very sick individual here.
>> No. 12724 Anonymous
23rd May 2017
Tuesday 1:24 am
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What are the odds of Theresa May being a cunt and trying to capitalise on this in the coming days?
>> No. 12725 Anonymous
23rd May 2017
Tuesday 1:27 am
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>>12723

I heard it was in the foyer and he was timing it with people coming out.
>> No. 12726 Anonymous
23rd May 2017
Tuesday 1:32 am
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>>12716
Reports of gunman at Oldham Hospital are apparently false. The hospital is in lockdown though, due to the events in Manchester.
>> No. 12727 Anonymous
23rd May 2017
Tuesday 1:33 am
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>>12724
This was my thought. I mean someone's going to try and capitalise on it somehow, but my thoughts are with the people it involved. People have died and that's fucked. It's more fucked if someone tries to take advantage of that for political reasons.
>> No. 12728 Anonymous
23rd May 2017
Tuesday 1:33 am
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Device went off in the foyer near the enterance to the foyer.

Second device confirmed, bomb disposal carrying out a controlled explosion.

Witnesses saying nuts and bolts were all around the foyer on the floor, so basically it's a nai- nuts and bolts bomb.

19 dead at least, 50+ injured.
>> No. 12729 Anonymous
23rd May 2017
Tuesday 1:34 am
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>>12728
Entrance*
>> No. 12731 Anonymous
23rd May 2017
Tuesday 1:36 am
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Sage in case you're about to get cross at me for a "conspiracy theory" but I live literally five minutes from there and find it a bit weird that police helicopters have been circling all day every day for days before this. I didn't check the news for the best part of an hour after it happened and was hearing the police helicopter thinking "Huh, it's still at it" then it became obvious it was something serious with the number of police cars and ambulances going past. The helicopters supposedly had something to do with a TV show but it's all a bit vague

http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/live-helicopters-manchester-two-salford-13033377

and I'm wondering if they could have had intelligence something was afoot but didn't want to panic anyone by saying so.
>> No. 12732 Anonymous
23rd May 2017
Tuesday 1:38 am
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>>12724
My first thought was that this would be advantageous to the Tories/UKIP and their desire for more controlled immigration and/or greater surveillance.
>> No. 12733 Anonymous
23rd May 2017
Tuesday 1:39 am
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And it happened just before an election.
>> No. 12734 Anonymous
23rd May 2017
Tuesday 1:40 am
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>>12732
>for more controlled immigration
Good joke, this is the Tories we're talking about.

If Nice, etc. told us anything it's that our pathetic society doesn't care about this sort of thing. The only political effect it'll have is to cover up May's bad headlines tomorrow.
>> No. 12735 Anonymous
23rd May 2017
Tuesday 1:40 am
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More false flag, and FEAR mongering.. Probably was done on purpose by the ZIONIST PAID entities whose goals are to create HAVOC and DISORDER to instill more FEAR in the MASSES.. Fatalities and Injuries probably will be a result of all the running and stampede..
>> No. 12736 Anonymous
23rd May 2017
Tuesday 2:09 am
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>>12731

Given that every one of these wankers is "known to the security" services, I wouldn't totally dismiss such an idea.
>> No. 12737 Anonymous
23rd May 2017
Tuesday 2:13 am
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>>12731
>and I'm wondering if they could have had intelligence something was afoot but didn't want to panic anyone by saying so.

I think this is it.
>> No. 12738 Anonymous
23rd May 2017
Tuesday 2:13 am
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>>12723
A suicide bomber that also likes Ariane Grande, that is just pure evil.
>> No. 12739 Anonymous
23rd May 2017
Tuesday 2:45 am
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"The prime minister, Theresa May, will chair a meeting of the government’s emergency Cobra committee on Tuesday morning."

Yeah, don't put yourself out or nothing. You get yourself off to bed.
>> No. 12740 Anonymous
23rd May 2017
Tuesday 3:14 am
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>>12735
Emily?
>> No. 12741 Anonymous
23rd May 2017
Tuesday 3:18 am
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>>12733
Damn it can't we have a vote in this country without a terrorist going on a murder spree?
>> No. 12742 Anonymous
23rd May 2017
Tuesday 3:59 am
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>>12708

The Religion of Peace strikes again.
>> No. 12743 Anonymous
23rd May 2017
Tuesday 4:43 am
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>>12742
tell 'em, Steve-Dave froggo, haven't you got a UKIP stall to man in the morning?
>> No. 12744 Anonymous
23rd May 2017
Tuesday 5:38 am
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Aliens did it.
>> No. 12745 Anonymous
23rd May 2017
Tuesday 6:21 am
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Don't let anyone convince you this is terrorism. Terrorism had a clear political aim. This is simply mass murder.
>> No. 12746 Anonymous
23rd May 2017
Tuesday 6:27 am
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>>12743
>haven't you got a UKIP stall to man in the morning?

I don't get why people do this. The BNP were right about Rotherham but people didn't listen to them because they were so concerned with not appearing racist. There is a problem with Islamic extremism and terrorism. That doesn't mean all eskimos are terrorists, because they clearly aren't although a lot of research has found many silently agree with it, but there's clearly enough incidents for it to be a problem that should not be ignored.

Shamefully one of my friends on Facebook, who always trots out "not all eskimos" after each attack, or claiming people are hypocrites for caring more about an attack on France than, say, Yemen is trying to insist that a transformer exploded on the roof and it was sparks and hot metal fragments from that.
>> No. 12747 Anonymous
23rd May 2017
Tuesday 6:32 am
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>>12746

If the BNP weren't massive racists, perhaps people would have taken them more seriously. If you completely debase yourself and remove any potential credibility, then people won't take you seriously.

Boy who cried wolf, 'innit?

Your friend sounds like a massive div and I would like to see screencaps proving people that stupid exist, by the way. Not that I don't trust you, but this fella's just got too much good old fashioned faith in humanity.
>> No. 12748 Anonymous
23rd May 2017
Tuesday 6:54 am
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tTrsQFWneYg&google_comment_id=z13fg52xwwvcwn5zy04ci5zqhxayy1jq02g&google_view_type#gpluscomments
>> No. 12749 Anonymous
23rd May 2017
Tuesday 7:10 am
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>>12748

It's like a terrible boyfriend simulator.
>> No. 12750 Anonymous
23rd May 2017
Tuesday 7:27 am
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>>12747
>Your friend sounds like a massive div and I would like to see screencaps proving people that stupid exist, by the way. Not that I don't trust you, but this fella's just got too much good old fashioned faith in humanity.

Not posting screenshots of what she's said, but there's always hand wringing apologists at times like these, who let their opinions shape the facts rather than letting the facts shape their opinions.
>> No. 12751 Anonymous
23rd May 2017
Tuesday 7:40 am
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I know it's trite, but it is properly weird to see Manchester city centre on the news for something like this. I'm there, regularly, and I don't mean that in a "it could have been ME!" way, but it's unusual to have such a tangible connection to an attack like this.

I mean, what even is "Nice"?

>>12750

That's just outright conspiracy balls though, your friend sounds like she's in deep denial of the whole thing being anyone's fault.
>> No. 12752 Anonymous
23rd May 2017
Tuesday 7:49 am
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>>12751
>I mean, what even is "Nice"?

It's where they make biscuits.

>your friend sounds like she's in deep denial of the whole thing being anyone's fault.

She is. I don't know why some people struggle accepting reality.

It reminds me of an incident a few years ago in Hull. There was a savage killing in an area that's densely populated with Eastern European and Kurdish migrants. There was a small group of people posting on the Hull Daily Mail article on it stating that they hoped the attacker was a white British person so they could rub it in the faces of all the racists. It's such a warped way to think, hoping that the ethnicity of a killer fits in with your political worldview in order to score petty points.l
>> No. 12753 Anonymous
23rd May 2017
Tuesday 9:28 am
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Theresa May must be loving this.
>> No. 12754 Anonymous
23rd May 2017
Tuesday 9:32 am
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>>12753

The only thing that could make it better is if Jeremy is found mourning the terrorist, and fails to condemn the attack.
>> No. 12755 Anonymous
23rd May 2017
Tuesday 9:42 am
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>>12751
Haven't we recently had a conversation on here regarding how a lot of things which were dismissed as outright conspiracy balls ten years ago have turned out to be true?
>> No. 12756 Anonymous
23rd May 2017
Tuesday 10:13 am
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>>12755
Such as?
>> No. 12758 Anonymous
23rd May 2017
Tuesday 10:28 am
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>>12752
I remember that incident in Hull and I pretty much agree with that sentiment, which is why I refuse to comment on something like this until weeks after the fact when at least some of the facts are known. You can bet your bottom dollar that for at least the next week, the GE will be full of people getting a hot take™ from politicos who will be scoring cheap political points off of one another, while people haven't even buried their loved ones or any credible facts have been properly established.

I am not looking forward to the shower of shit that'll inevitably follow such an appalling atrocity.
>> No. 12759 Anonymous
23rd May 2017
Tuesday 10:48 am
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>>12753

Hey! We have to pretend there isn't an election on for the next day or two, thank you very much.

>>12755

Did we? I glaze over a lot of threads just out of sheer stubbornness, honestly.
>> No. 12760 Anonymous
23rd May 2017
Tuesday 11:01 am
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>>12756
Mainly things to do with the intelligence agencies who, as it happens, would be the ones best positioned to prevent this and also have reason to allow it as it means they'll be granted more power by certain leaders who may be voted in.
I'm not saying this is what's happened, but it's not an entirely nutty theory.
>> No. 12761 Anonymous
23rd May 2017
Tuesday 11:36 am
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>>12746
Sorry, so you genuinely don't get why I called out someone sarcastically using the phrase 'the Religion of Peace' as an alt-righter?
>> No. 12762 Anonymous
23rd May 2017
Tuesday 11:42 am
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>>12750
>>12760
The problem with all conspiracy theories is, of course, the number of people who have to be sworn to secrecy for them to be true.

Let's say it was the intelligence agencies; it only takes one person working for them to be horrified by the intentional deaths - and willing to risk their lives for the greater good by speaking to the press about it - for the whole thing to unravel. As shite as MI5 are, I don't believe they are comic book supervillains. Every organisation from the top down is still run by ordinary people drawn from the same society as us bumders who post here.
>> No. 12763 Anonymous
23rd May 2017
Tuesday 11:47 am
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How, how am I still shocked by the depths to which this woman will sink.
>> No. 12764 Anonymous
23rd May 2017
Tuesday 11:55 am
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>> No. 12765 Anonymous
23rd May 2017
Tuesday 12:03 pm
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>>12762
I'm familiar with that argument but in an intelligence situation like this they don't need to swear anyone to silence. A number of analysts/scrapers can hand in partial information to a superior who sees the bigger picture then chooses to disregard it alone, or with a couple of other decision makers.
Furthermore, the things that conspiracy nuts were talking about ten years ago that turned out to be true were discovered to be true because of the sworn people coming forward, or letting slip some other way, and yet there were no repercussions; the public's memory is short and only cares about the now. It's perfectly possible to do malign, self-interested things knowing that it'll be discovered at some point in the future and so long as it wasn't you touching up a little girl yourself, you'll be fine.
>> No. 12766 Anonymous
23rd May 2017
Tuesday 12:14 pm
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>>12765
>the things that conspiracy nuts were talking about ten years ago that turned out to be true
Like what?
>> No. 12767 Anonymous
23rd May 2017
Tuesday 12:20 pm
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>>12766
https://wikileaks.org
>> No. 12768 Anonymous
23rd May 2017
Tuesday 12:37 pm
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>>12763
Holy fucking Christ. She's absolutely fucking awful.
>> No. 12769 Anonymous
23rd May 2017
Tuesday 1:09 pm
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>>12767
That doesn't answer my question.
>> No. 12770 Anonymous
23rd May 2017
Tuesday 1:11 pm
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>>12769
The NSA spying illegally, sharing of information between agencies to spy on their own people, hacking webcams, car controls and so on, things that were once dismissed as paranoia, don't answer your question?
>> No. 12771 Anonymous
23rd May 2017
Tuesday 1:11 pm
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*Theresa May has worst day of campaign if not her entire political career

*Polls going against her

*Even BBC starting to question her bullshit

SUDDENLY

Massive "terrorist incident", and Theresa May is the first to suggest a hold on campaigning


This couldn't be more obviously a false flag if Theresa went on BBC News and admitted it.


Also, I love how she's praising the response of emergency services and the NHS, whom she is planning to royally screw if she wins the GE. Hypocrisy much?
>> No. 12772 Anonymous
23rd May 2017
Tuesday 1:14 pm
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>>12762

Every single public servant has to sign the Official Secrets Act form. I had to sign it during my brief tenure as a government agent (three weeks working as a watchman for the Scottish Fisheries Protection Agency, now known as Marine Scotland.)
>> No. 12773 Anonymous
23rd May 2017
Tuesday 1:15 pm
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>>12771
When Jo Cox was killed mere days before Brexit it was only tinfoilers who suggested it was a false flag, but this, a routine Boom Boom courtesy of the Religion of Peace, and it's a fix?

Never change .gs
>> No. 12774 Anonymous
23rd May 2017
Tuesday 1:26 pm
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Well, better get rid of any and all encryption/privacy online and ramp up surveillance even more to make sure this never happens again.
>> No. 12775 Anonymous
23rd May 2017
Tuesday 1:37 pm
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>>12772
>three weeks working as a watchman for the Scottish Fisheries Protection Agency

An all too convenient story if you ask me. Spill the beans lad, what's Nessie like when the cameras aren't on her?
>> No. 12776 Anonymous
23rd May 2017
Tuesday 2:13 pm
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Do MI5 have the same mandate and scope of influence as the CIA with regards to "Protecting the interests of the United Kingdom"?

If so, I could see this being as cynical as them simply ignoring intelligence and allowing it to happen to save Chairman May's neck for a bit.

A false flag attack seem like a bit of a leap though.
>> No. 12777 Anonymous
23rd May 2017
Tuesday 2:14 pm
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>>12771
Yes, because obviously something like this can be pulled together in around 24 hours and doesn't require any real planning.
>> No. 12778 Anonymous
23rd May 2017
Tuesday 2:24 pm
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>>12777
It could be. Sleeper agent terrorist kept on standby given the go-ahead or impression they're on to him, forcing him to act now.
Probably not though.
>> No. 12779 Anonymous
23rd May 2017
Tuesday 2:26 pm
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>>12778
>It could be.
In Hollywood, maybe.
>> No. 12780 Anonymous
23rd May 2017
Tuesday 2:34 pm
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>>12756
The treasury probably lied about the borrowing requirement in the mid 1970s* and the IMF and US treasury were conspiring against us and the Portuguese because they didn't think the government was behaving.

>>12762
This isn't true though. Plenty of people, even people in high places come out and say it and most people just gloss over or never look further into it.
I mean even the least conspiratorial people would have to recognize that the estimated borrowing requirement for 1976 was well out*, and that James Callaghan's advisor Bernard Donoughue isn't just a random nutter when he notes that he was told of such plans and saw telexes suggesting similar about Portugal.

*Healey later noted it was a highly inaccurate projection and we never did make full use of the IMF loan. Considering ongoing events and paranoia in high places and it doesn't seem unreasonable that someone would fiddle some numbers to bring the government to heel.

But it's generally ignored, because it involves boring things like the IMF and treasury instead of murder and bombing. What's a conspiracy if it couldn't make a good movie? Who cares if our democracy has come under assault? And who on earth cares if the same is happening to the Greeks...
>> No. 12781 Anonymous
23rd May 2017
Tuesday 2:59 pm
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>>12779
>Probably not though.
>> No. 12782 Anonymous
23rd May 2017
Tuesday 3:00 pm
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>>12780
Interesting post. Could you recommend a source for the whole IMF thing? I know fuck all about it really.
>> No. 12783 Anonymous
23rd May 2017
Tuesday 3:05 pm
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>>12781
Er, yeah, probably not, in much the same way that the intelligence services probably haven't had someone nearly take a laser cutter to the groin.
>> No. 12784 Anonymous
23rd May 2017
Tuesday 3:20 pm
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>>12783
Yes, well done.
>> No. 12785 Anonymous
23rd May 2017
Tuesday 3:26 pm
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>>12784
Thanks, lad. I mean, instant terror of the sort you see in movie plots is absolutely, definitely, totally plausible. Which is why it's only "probably" not. As opposed to, you know, definitely not.
>> No. 12786 Anonymous
23rd May 2017
Tuesday 3:33 pm
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So here's a picture from the Daily Mail of Georgina one of the victims. Now they evidently had to anonymise her friend, but who thought that was appropriate?
>> No. 12789 Anonymous
23rd May 2017
Tuesday 3:50 pm
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9VlN2OiV8vQ

This really affected me.
>> No. 12792 Anonymous
23rd May 2017
Tuesday 4:08 pm
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>>12786
I can only imagine they couldn't find the right Photoshop filter to pixellate the face and were too lazy to Google it.
>> No. 12793 Anonymous
23rd May 2017
Tuesday 4:25 pm
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>>12786

No... that's... you're joking, right?
>> No. 12794 Anonymous
23rd May 2017
Tuesday 4:44 pm
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>>12786
Daily Mail right now is as insufferable as ever, please don't go on it.
>> No. 12795 Anonymous
23rd May 2017
Tuesday 4:55 pm
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"Manchester terror attack bomber revealed as 22-year-old British national Salman Abedi who grew up in the area alongside his three brothers."
>> No. 12796 Anonymous
23rd May 2017
Tuesday 5:06 pm
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>>12782
Page 126-127 of "The Political Economy of the European Social Model" gives a quick gloss.
https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=e-M_cdwdgoMC&pg=PA127&lpg=PA127

http://bilbo.economicoutlook.net/blog/?p=33825
Gives another look at it (and some extra quotes) as part of a broader series, but I can't totally vouch for the whole thing. (Though it cites the same quote, cited to "Prime Minister" which I assume is "Prime Minister: The Conduct of Policy Under Harold Wilson and James Callaghan" )

There's probably some more out there, but I'm awful at remembering my sources.
>> No. 12797 Anonymous
23rd May 2017
Tuesday 5:12 pm
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>>12786
I think the Facebook memorial page set up for her is rather creepy.

https://facebook.com/RIP-Georgina-Callander-1889042501367904/
>> No. 12798 Anonymous
23rd May 2017
Tuesday 5:13 pm
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>>12785
"Probably not" as in "I'm obviously using classic British understatement for humorous effect, why are you getting quite so upset about the exact semantics of it?"
>> No. 12799 Anonymous
23rd May 2017
Tuesday 5:35 pm
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>>12797

What exactly is the point of "liking" a page such as that? Is it to show support for the victim's friends and family, or solely for one's own benefit?

I'm just glad I'm so alone no one's going to make a page like that for me when I die in a violent and terrible suicide attack. Then again the bombers don't usually get a memorial page regardless.
>> No. 12800 Anonymous
23rd May 2017
Tuesday 5:55 pm
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>>12796
You're a gem, ladm8.
>> No. 12802 Anonymous
23rd May 2017
Tuesday 6:05 pm
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>>12799
I imagine there's at least some part of it that's a bit like the whole "skydiving for charity" thing.
>> No. 12805 Anonymous
23rd May 2017
Tuesday 7:27 pm
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>>12802
>"skydiving for charity" thing

There is good research to show that skydiving for charities costs the state more money in medical bills, than it ever raises in sponsorship money for good causes.
>> No. 12806 Anonymous
23rd May 2017
Tuesday 7:57 pm
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>>12799
Don't do it mate. Think of Olivia.
>> No. 12809 Anonymous
23rd May 2017
Tuesday 9:13 pm
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I'm not a bastard for being more annoyed that my daily commute is made even more irritating than a bunch of dead kids and a 26 year old ariana grande fan right?
>> No. 12810 Anonymous
23rd May 2017
Tuesday 9:37 pm
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>>12809
Reminded me of a Adam Smith quote,

"Let us suppose that the great empire of China, with all its myriads of inhabitants, was suddenly swallowed up by an earthquake, and let us consider how a man of humanity in Europe, who had no sort of connection with that part of the world, would be affected upon receiving intelligence of this dreadful calamity. He would, I imagine, first of all, express very strongly his sorrow for the misfortune of that unhappy people, he would make many melancholy reflections upon the precariousness of human life, and the vanity of all the labours of man, which could thus be annihilated in a moment. He would too, perhaps, if he was a man of speculation, enter into many reasonings concerning the effects which this disaster might produce upon the commerce of Europe, and the trade and business of the world in general. And when all this fine philosophy was over, when all these humane sentiments had been once fairly expressed, he would pursue his business or his pleasure, take his repose or his diversion, with the same ease and tranquillity, as if no such accident had happened. The most frivolous disaster which could befall himself would occasion a more real disturbance. If he was to lose his little finger to-morrow, he would not sleep to-night; but, provided he never saw them, he will snore with the most profound security over the ruin of a hundred millions of his brethren, and the destruction of that immense multitude seems plainly an object less interesting to him, than this paltry misfortune of his own."
>> No. 12811 Anonymous
23rd May 2017
Tuesday 10:12 pm
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>>12799
It's better when they share images of the missing people despite the fact they live several hundred miles away and have no ties whatsoever to Manchester.
>> No. 12812 Anonymous
23rd May 2017
Tuesday 10:17 pm
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Terrorism threat level raised to critical, army will be deployed on the streets tomorrow
>> No. 12813 Anonymous
23rd May 2017
Tuesday 10:19 pm
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>>12805
That's not in any way relevant to the thread, but thanks for showing us all you know something, I guess.
>> No. 12816 Anonymous
23rd May 2017
Tuesday 10:39 pm
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>>12812
The .gov site also implies that we should really be expecting an attack from the IRA or something. I think I'll just go to bed.
>> No. 12817 Anonymous
23rd May 2017
Tuesday 10:41 pm
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Is there any upside whatsoever to importing muslamic rayguns to our country? What on earth is the benefit? If we need cheap labour or gaps in our employment that need filling don't we have an entire planet to choose from? Would second generation Uruguayans or Laotians be suicide bombing our children?

Go on, make your excuses, those of you who are balling their fists and lurching towards your keyboards to defend these people since only some of them believe murdering children is a one-way ticket to paradise or that raping kuffars is totally fine. I eagerly await your weeping defence of them, exactly the sort of hand-wringing that left hundreds of girls to be pimped out and abused like cattle. Give me one fucking reason why they are preferable to non-eskimo immigrants. Can you manage just one?

These people need to go. If it's at the barrel of a gun I no longer care.
>> No. 12820 Anonymous
23rd May 2017
Tuesday 10:46 pm
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>>12786

The same mentality that put this picture of a dog-creature amongst the missing. I did see it wandering dazed but it startled me so I killed it. Sorry. :(
>> No. 12822 Anonymous
23rd May 2017
Tuesday 10:57 pm
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>>12817
The BNP now have 3001 members.
>> No. 12823 Anonymous
23rd May 2017
Tuesday 11:00 pm
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>>12820
"These are any of them" is really bothering me.
>> No. 12825 Anonymous
23rd May 2017
Tuesday 11:14 pm
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>>12822
He doesn't like a certain religion hahaha! That must mean he's a stupid racist and I'm not stupid or racist so I'm better than him hahaha! I bet you haven't even bothered to read the Quran, have you?

Fuck off. I don't give a damn what melanin content someone's epidermis happens to contain since I'm not a mouthbreathing skinhead. I note you didn't answer my question, preferring to make a snarky remark instead. Try again for double points: how does Britain benefit from importing and tolerating Inuit immigrants?
>> No. 12826 Anonymous
23rd May 2017
Tuesday 11:24 pm
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>>12825
Until the lazy natives get off their fat arses and do some fucking work, Britain benefits through necessary shit getting done.

Now fuck off back to the other place where you belong already.
>> No. 12827 Anonymous
23rd May 2017
Tuesday 11:25 pm
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>>12822
Don't encourage him. He's going through a thing.
>> No. 12828 Anonymous
23rd May 2017
Tuesday 11:30 pm
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>>12825
If you want an attempt at a genuine answer: some people genuinely like the idea of being surrounded by multiple different cultures in their city. The most common thing they will point to is probably food. Everyone wants to have the choice of indian/chinese/kebab shops in their city.

For immigrants in general there is of course the economic argument that Britain needs the extra labour (which seems like short-sightedness to me because endless growth is not possible; at some point the problem has to be addressed for real, but that's a big tangent).

Aside from this, some people will argue that it doesn't matter whether or not you want eskimos here - we have a moral obligation to provide safe haven for refugees since our country is wealthy (with some of that wealth being obtained through less-than-ethical means historically) and lacks major environmental threats like the drought that contributed to the start of the Syrian civil war.

All of this is really a matter of priorities. Do you want to accept the moral responsibility and also accept the inevitable negatives that come with it? Some people do, some don't - that's why we have democracy.
>> No. 12829 Anonymous
23rd May 2017
Tuesday 11:33 pm
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>>12817
>Would second generation Uruguayans or Laotians be suicide bombing our children?
Probably. Most probably, especially if we bomb them to the stone-ages and turn their countries from having the highest HDI in their continent to a lawless hellhole.

Why doesn't Italy, which gets boatloads of muslamic refugees everyday, get as many terrorist attacks as us?
>> No. 12830 Anonymous
23rd May 2017
Tuesday 11:34 pm
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>>12827

I wasn't aware that getting angry over the deliberately targeted mass-murder of children was a 'thing' but thank you for dropping the scales from my eyes.
>> No. 12831 Anonymous
23rd May 2017
Tuesday 11:36 pm
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>>12825
>I bet you haven't even bothered to read the Quran, have you?
No, but I have read the Old Testament. Are they really that different?

Or do you think this is your DEUS VULT moment?
>> No. 12833 Anonymous
23rd May 2017
Tuesday 11:40 pm
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>>12828
Food and other things one "eats".
>> No. 12835 Anonymous
23rd May 2017
Tuesday 11:44 pm
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>>12829

When was the last time we bombed laplanderstan or Saudi Arabia? Why do Argentinian immigrants refrain from murdering, bombing and raping our population? Yesterday's bomber came from a family that specifically fled the regime of a dictator we deposed. How long will you um and ah, twiddling your thumbs until you realise the problem is not the West but the religion that categorically opposes its tenets? Do you feel proud when you see a woman covered head to toe walking four paces behind her husband?

You coward. You utter, spineless, apologetic coward.
>> No. 12836 Anonymous
23rd May 2017
Tuesday 11:47 pm
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>>12831
>B-but bad things are in the Bible!

Who cares? It's not relevant to terrorist activity in the UK.
>> No. 12837 Anonymous
23rd May 2017
Tuesday 11:48 pm
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>>12835
The Libyan wouldn't have become a terrorist if he didn't murder Gaddafi.

In any case mate, maybe you would love to know that I'm eskimo.

Ramadan Kareem Akhi. InshAllah you shall see the righteous path.
>> No. 12838 Anonymous
23rd May 2017
Tuesday 11:49 pm
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>>12836
Yes it is! It's in the Bible.
>> No. 12839 Anonymous
23rd May 2017
Tuesday 11:49 pm
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>>12835I
I've seen this act a dozen times. It's boring and silly.

Still, you got replies, so well done to you!
>> No. 12840 Anonymous
23rd May 2017
Tuesday 11:49 pm
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>>12797
>>12799
>>12801
A lot of the comments on the page point out that it's been set up by a cynical scam-artist in order to farm likes to sell on later. That didn't occur to me so I'm unsettled that general public might be becoming more streetwise than me.
>> No. 12841 Anonymous
23rd May 2017
Tuesday 11:49 pm
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>>12835

Do you feel proud when you see Puritan Protestants burning down abortion clinics? In my opinion, we should kick out all the fuckking "proddies". The IRA wouldn't have even existed if it wasn't for them. KICK THEM OUT!
>> No. 12842 Anonymous
23rd May 2017
Tuesday 11:51 pm
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>>12835
>Why do Argentinian immigrants refrain from murdering, bombing and raping our population?
I'm sure they would if they could get in in the first place.

>Yesterday's bomber came from a family that specifically fled the regime of a dictator we deposed.
If you think that's bad, last week I was laid up with food poisoning from a product purchased at a shop with a French name. Where do I sign up for the crusade against those cursed frogs?
>> No. 12843 Anonymous
23rd May 2017
Tuesday 11:52 pm
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We keep shoving it under the carpet about how it's only a 'small minority', it's a significant minority and Islam is the common and overriding factor in this. We're too afraid to enact anything that doesn't treat everything equally, when the reality is that they're not all equal, fanatical Islam is more prevalent and dangerous than fanatical [anything else]. Until we stop pretending that's not true we won't achieve anything.

Islam is far more prone to terrorist attacks in this country than any other religious denomination, we should act upon those lines.

Whether or not we bomb someone is irrelevant to that.

We won't do anything though, because we live in a weak society of cowards.
>> No. 12844 Anonymous
23rd May 2017
Tuesday 11:54 pm
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>>12843
>we should act upon those lines
Just out of curiosity, what exactly do you have in mind? Round up 2 million people and load them on planes & ships to random middle eastern locations?
>> No. 12845 Anonymous
23rd May 2017
Tuesday 11:57 pm
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>>12831

You clearly don't know anything about theology so I'll have the pleasure of enlightening you. The Bible is a collection of human accounts that can be challenged, reinterpreted or discarded. In any case the whole point of the New Testament is that the older passages can be discarded. There are four different accounts of Jesus's life and none of them are considered sacred or infallible.

The Quran is different. It is the literal word of Allah, conveniently spoken to Muhammad in his own language, and is therefore sacred beyond measure. It's why eskimos must keep the tome in a high place and treat it with reverence, washing themselves before they touch it. It cannot be altered or misinterpreted, it is the literal word of God. If you want an explanation for Islamic extremism it's all there - feel free to read it if you fancy getting a headache.

You can humiliate, parody and mock Jesus all you want but the overwhelming majority of Christians will shake their heads and do nothing. To a terrifyingly large number of eskimos it is a valid reason to kill you. And that will not change no matter how much humous you eat.
>> No. 12846 Anonymous
24th May 2017
Wednesday 12:02 am
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Teacon 5 Lads.

ARE BOYS ON ARE STREETS.
>> No. 12847 Anonymous
24th May 2017
Wednesday 12:02 am
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>>12844
No! Jolly good trains to fun camps.
>> No. 12848 Anonymous
24th May 2017
Wednesday 12:05 am
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>>12845
>that can be challenged, reinterpreted or discarded
Yea... No. Go fuck yourself you fucking heretic. Don't drag our good name into your neofascist blood-lust. Do the world a favour and eat a bullet.
>> No. 12849 Anonymous
24th May 2017
Wednesday 12:06 am
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>>12844
I don't know, I really don't.

This will happen again and again and nothing will happen, because either nobody knows what to do or nobody wants to do anything. Mostly the latter with the pathetic society we have today.
>> No. 12850 Anonymous
24th May 2017
Wednesday 12:10 am
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>>12843
>We keep shoving it under the carpet about how it's only a 'small minority', it's a significant minority and football is the common and overriding factor in this. We're too afraid to enact anything that doesn't treat everything equally, when the reality is that they're not all equal, football hooliganism is more prevalent and dangerous than [anything else] hooliganism. Until we stop pretending that's not true we won't achieve anything.
>> No. 12851 Anonymous
24th May 2017
Wednesday 12:10 am
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>>12848
There are many different versions of the bible... and notable errors like the 'virgin' / 'young woman' confusion leading to widespread beliefs in nonsense that was never actually claimed until someone fucked up the translation. If you don't think the bible can be challenged or reinterpreted, how do you explain the hundreds of biblical scholars?
>> No. 12852 Anonymous
24th May 2017
Wednesday 12:11 am
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>>12842
You think an Argentinian would voluntarily commit suicide in protest for his former military dictatorship's failure to annex a few unimportant islands by nail-bombing a room full of children and teenagers? Expecting the reward of eternal paradise? Are you trolling me or are you actually this deluded?

Loads of them live here anyway, not that you'd have heard about it since they don't go around slaughtering our children. Please answer my question: why is it beneficial to import people from Islamic countries?
>> No. 12853 Anonymous
24th May 2017
Wednesday 12:14 am
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>>12852
>You think an Argentinian would voluntarily commit suicide in protest for his former military dictatorship's failure to annex a few unimportant islands by nail-bombing a room full of children and teenagers?
About as likely as a Libyan voluntarily committing suicide in protest for his former military dictatorship's failure to keep his parents in the country.
>> No. 12854 Anonymous
24th May 2017
Wednesday 12:15 am
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>>12850
We have specific laws relating to football hooliganism in particular you dumb cunt.
>> No. 12855 Anonymous
24th May 2017
Wednesday 12:16 am
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>>12852
He's just 'trolling' or whatever the kids call it these days. Either that or he needs help.
>> No. 12856 Anonymous
24th May 2017
Wednesday 12:16 am
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>>12852
>Are you trolling me
Bit fucking rich, lad.
>> No. 12857 Anonymous
24th May 2017
Wednesday 12:19 am
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>>12854
Yet we still tolerate it on our streets and in our schools like the weak, pathetic cowards we are.

In case you hadn't figured it out, that's how stupid you sound. Now put the keyboard down and take your pills like the doctor told you.
>> No. 12858 Anonymous
24th May 2017
Wednesday 12:19 am
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>>12851
Fuck off with your revisionist bollocks. If you became a godless heathen, then fucking say so, but don't use my religion for your disgusting racist agenda. Are you a Christian? No? Then fuck off.
>> No. 12859 Anonymous
24th May 2017
Wednesday 12:23 am
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>>12848
You evidently don't know anything about Christian theology or history beyond your favourite documentary about the Westboro Baptist Church so I'm wasting my time on you. You haven't answered any of my questions and quite obviously have never bothered to read the Quran. But the important thing is that you are a wonderful person and I'm a big bad meanie. So hold your chinless head up high.
>> No. 12860 Anonymous
24th May 2017
Wednesday 12:24 am
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>>12858

Are you saying that Christianity and the Bible aren't open to interpretation?
Why are there at least 3 distinct branches and numerous denominations then?
>> No. 12861 Anonymous
24th May 2017
Wednesday 12:26 am
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>>12851
Not him, but I'd probably offer whatever reason you were prepared to offer to explain all those Islamic scholars. You do have an explanation for them, right?
>> No. 12862 Anonymous
24th May 2017
Wednesday 12:27 am
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>>12860
Jesus. You fucking daft sod. I honestly hope you kill yourself. I know cunts like you who try their hardest to water down Christianity - the very foundations of the western world. You fucking rat.

(A good day to you Sir!)
>> No. 12863 Anonymous
24th May 2017
Wednesday 12:28 am
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>>12860
Are you saying Islam and the Qur'an aren't open to interpretation?
Why are there at least 2 distinct branches and numerous sub-sects then?
>> No. 12866 Anonymous
24th May 2017
Wednesday 12:30 am
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>>12861
>You do have an explanation for them, right?
Uh, yeah... the texts of Islam were also written by fallible humans and therefore also open to interpretation (and ridicule, as appropriate).
>> No. 12868 Anonymous
24th May 2017
Wednesday 12:32 am
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>>12857
No, I don't sound stupid. Radical Islam is the most prevalent and dangerous ideology in this country. We are too weak to deal with it. It's sad, it's so so sad and more people will die because of it.
>> No. 12869 Anonymous
24th May 2017
Wednesday 12:37 am
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>>12866
In that case, that'll be the same reason Christianity has lots of religious scholars. And why the whole "the Qur'an says things I don't like" argument is empty. And also why this lad that keeps asserting BUT eskimoS INNIT is doing nothing but shitting up a news thread about a tragic event and desperately needs a word with himself.
>> No. 12870 Anonymous
24th May 2017
Wednesday 12:39 am
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>>12853
I highly doubt that he did it out of loyalty to a deceased dictator. Call me presumptuous but I suspect it was due to adherence to a certain religion that promises martyrs to its cause will receive the highest reward in the afterlife.

>>12856
Except I'm not trolling. Trolling is facetious and intended to cause argument while the perpetrator grins behind their keyboard. I am genuinely angry about this, and even angrier at the spineless apologists who loftily proclaim this is nothing to do with the religion of peace.
>> No. 12871 Anonymous
24th May 2017
Wednesday 12:45 am
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>>12869
>In that case, that'll be the same reason Christianity has lots of religious scholars.
I know.

>the whole "the Qur'an says things I don't like" argument is empty
Yeah I never made that argument, someone else did. If I were to take his position, a more sensible argument might be this:

Even though Christian and Islamic texts both have various passages calling for violence, there is a notable statistical difference in the proportion of followers that choose to act upon those parts of the texts which call for violence. So if we're being purely pragmatic in attempting to reduce that violence, it makes sense to focus on those that perpetrate it most (I hasten to note that in America there's a significant population of white Christians committing terrorist acts against abortion clinics and so on; those people deserve just as much scrutiny).
>> No. 12872 Anonymous
24th May 2017
Wednesday 12:47 am
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>>12870
>I highly doubt that he did it out of loyalty to a deceased dictator.
I was only repeating your own worrds back to you. It's hardly my fault if they sound stupid in this context.
>> No. 12873 Anonymous
24th May 2017
Wednesday 12:56 am
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>>12871
>there is a notable statistical difference in the proportion of followers that choose to act upon those parts of the texts which call for violence
Well then I suppose you must have some sound figures that show up this "notable statistical difference", mustn't you? I, for one, would love to see the rigorous scholarly analysis upon which you're basing your argument. Which, of course, you will have because you're talking sense rather than spouting bollocks. You are talking sense and not bollocks, right?
>> No. 12874 Anonymous
24th May 2017
Wednesday 12:57 am
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Don't humour the bastard, he knows that Christianity and Islam today are totally different, notably in the number of young children murdered in the last few days.
>> No. 12875 Anonymous
24th May 2017
Wednesday 12:58 am
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>>12872

Fascinating interpretation. Just so I'm clear on your argument, Argentinians would happily commit suicide bombings on our children but they for some reason don't, but Libyan descendants will do so and it has nothing to do with their religion whatsoever?

Please answer my question because your silence speaks volumes. What benefit does Britain gain by importing Religion of Peace aficionados? Name anything. Name one single thing. Are you afraid to try answering my question?
>> No. 12876 Anonymous
24th May 2017
Wednesday 1:07 am
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>>12873
Notice the trend towards green in the latter period of this timeline. I have left out the key for colour coding as an exercise for the reader - what do you suppose the green represents?
>> No. 12877 Anonymous
24th May 2017
Wednesday 1:15 am
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>>12876
I don't see it. You said "notable statstical difference in the proportion of followers". You're going to have to do better than a series of anecdotes.

PS: Take the hint and fuck off back to the other place already.
>> No. 12878 Anonymous
24th May 2017
Wednesday 1:19 am
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>>12877
How many deaths do you want?
>> No. 12879 Anonymous
24th May 2017
Wednesday 2:42 am
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>>12875
What do we gain by 'importing' Christians, Jews, Buddhists? Is everyone defined by their religion in your worldview?
>> No. 12880 Anonymous
24th May 2017
Wednesday 2:44 am
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Do people honestly think that if there were no immigrants in the UK, these attacks would stop? People who get radicalised online would still get radicalised online.
>> No. 12881 Anonymous
24th May 2017
Wednesday 2:49 am
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>>12879
You're going to get no sense out of him, lad. The fact that he keeps using "Religion of Peace" outed him right away. And he wonders why no one wants to talk with him.
>> No. 12882 Anonymous
24th May 2017
Wednesday 3:18 am
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>>12879

No, but unless you're wilfully blind the trends are hard to ignore. Despite Britain's generally tolerant culture Islamic populations specifically choose to segregate themselves, espouse a legal system parallel to our own and systemically disenfranchise women, abhor homosexuals, tolerate the murder of apostates and people who 'offend' their religion and, in case you haven't noticed, frequently try to bomb us. All of which is entirely justified by the absolute word of God, as is categorically stated in the Quran which I again presume you haven't bothered to read. There are numerous reasons why immigration is necessary and desirable, but not a single one that makes Islamic immigration a positive course of action given their backwards opposition to modern, secular Western values. Did you know there are over 400,000 Germans living and working in Britain? I'll bet you didn't. And nobody cares or notices because they are adaptable to our culture and don't seek to isolate themselves or, again, deliberately nail-bomb our children. We have an entire planet of immigrants to choose from for our needs. Why should we import the most misogynistic, homophobic, hateful, isolationist, theocratic inbreds the world has to offer? Wouldn't literally anyone else be better?

>>12881
They chose that title, not me. Wordfilters just get annoying at times. Not that I can fault the irony in their self-appointed title.
>> No. 12883 Anonymous
24th May 2017
Wednesday 3:19 am
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>>12880
I mean, if you deported basically everyone who couldn't trace back to who their ancestors were loyal to in the Wars of the Roses, the attacks probably would stop.

Well, the Islamic ones anyway. The UNMIUK task-force air attacks would be pretty shitty.
>> No. 12885 Anonymous
24th May 2017
Wednesday 6:39 am
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Celebrating my birthday in Manchester as news of the Manchester Arena bomb broke. The anger is monumental.

For what reason will this ever stop?

Theresa May says such attacks "will not break us", but her own life is lived in a bullet-proof bubble, and she evidently does not need to identify any young people today in Manchester morgues. Also, "will not break us" means that the tragedy will not break her, or her policies on immigration. The young people of Manchester are already broken - thanks all the same, Theresa. Sadiq Khan says "London is united with Manchester", but he does not condemn Islamic State - who have claimed responsibility for the bomb. The Queen receives absurd praise for her 'strong words' against the attack, yet she does not cancel today's garden party at Buckingham Palace - for which no criticism is allowed in the Britain of free press. Manchester mayor Andy Burnham says the attack is the work of an "extremist". An extreme what? An extreme rabbit?

In modern Britain everyone seems petrified to officially say what we all say in private. Politicians tell us they are unafraid, but they are never the victims. How easy to be unafraid when one is protected from the line of fire. The people have no such protections.

Morrissey
23 May 2017.

https://facebook.com/Morrissey/posts/1349891061714098[/I]
>> No. 12887 Anonymous
24th May 2017
Wednesday 8:13 am
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>>12885
>Why should we import the most misogynistic, homophobic, hateful, isolationist, theocratic inbreds the world has to offer?
Because they're much cheaper than the real Piers Morgan.
>> No. 12888 Anonymous
24th May 2017
Wednesday 9:04 am
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>>12885
I'm not really sure what his point is. Should the politicians and the queen pretend to be afraid?
>> No. 12889 Anonymous
24th May 2017
Wednesday 10:41 am
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Moving on from xenophobic shitposting, that woman's daughter has been confirmed as one of the dead.
>> No. 12890 Anonymous
24th May 2017
Wednesday 12:56 pm
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>>12889

I'm normally quite dispassionate about this sort of thing, but you can't help but be moved by her story. Likewise with this bloke.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YWEr-nmhT9g
>> No. 12891 Anonymous
24th May 2017
Wednesday 1:14 pm
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>>12890
This is how gentlemen ought to respond.
>> No. 12892 Anonymous
24th May 2017
Wednesday 2:17 pm
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>>12889
What woman? I'm confused.
>> No. 12893 Anonymous
24th May 2017
Wednesday 2:23 pm
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>>12890
Good man.
>> No. 12894 Anonymous
24th May 2017
Wednesday 2:56 pm
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>>12789
Update, her daughter died.
>> No. 12895 Anonymous
24th May 2017
Wednesday 4:03 pm
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>>12894

Fucking Hell Lad. That's really choked me up. So awful.
>> No. 12896 Anonymous
24th May 2017
Wednesday 6:37 pm
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>>12895

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FQhcmznJ7MU

I lost it.
>> No. 12897 Anonymous
24th May 2017
Wednesday 8:56 pm
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What were Salman Abedi's father's links to terror groups?

Ramadan, a former airport security worker, was a member of the Libyan Islamic Fighting group in the 1990s, according to a former Libyan security official. The group had links to Al-Qaeda. Although the LIFG disbanded, he reportedly belongs to the Salafi Jihadi movement, the most extreme sect of Salafism and from which Al-Qaeda and ISIS hail. Ramadan's wife, Samia al-Tabal, is a close friend of the wife of Abu Anas al-Libi, an al-Qaida veteran who was snatched off the streets of Tripoli in 2013 by U.S. special forces.

What were his brothers, Hashem and Ismail's links to terror groups?

Hashem had posted comments on ISIS-supporting sites. The Libyan security force claimed he told authorities both he and his brother belonged to ISIS. The Special Deterrent anti-terror force said Hashem was receiving cash transferred from Salman. Ismail, who was arrested on Tuesday in south Manchester, was once reported to a counter- terrorism unit after concerns were raised by members of the eskimo community.

How much was known about Salman prior to Monday night's attack?

Two people who knew Salman are said to have called the police counter-terrorism hotline five years ago to raise concerns that he thought 'being a suicide bomber was OK'. And a senior US intelligence official has claimed that members of his own family had warned police that he was 'dangerous'.

Why was he allowed to travel freely between Libya and the UK?

UK border checks were branded a 'shambles' after it emerged the suicide bomber had travelled to ISIS strongholds Syria and Libya before being able to come 'straight through' to Britain. Labour's Khalid Mahmood told MailOnline the case of Abedi demonstrated the weakness of Britain's border check system and claimed border staff had been reduced by 50 per cent since 2010.

Had Salman been to Syria?

France's interior minister Gerard Collomb told French TV that both British and French intelligence services had information that the attacker had been in Syria. Asked if he believed Abedi had the support of a network, Collomb said: 'That is not known yet, but perhaps. In any case, (he had) links with Daesh (ISIS) that are proven.'


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4536624/Salman-Abedi-known-security-services-point.html

It's reminding me a bit of the Bethnal Green girls who went to Syria. At first their family were blaming everyone under the sun but themselves, including lying to a parliamentary committee. Then it came out that Amira Abase's father was a regular attendee at hate rallies and was pictured burning an American flag.

All I've read in the Guardian is about how he was a good quiet little eskimo boy with no links whatsoever to ISIS and how his father has such a lovely voice when he's calling the adhan yet it's come out the woodwork the killer has been to Libya and Syria, his parents have ties to extremism and his brothers aren't much better.

Theresa May needs to be held accountable for the cuts to the border agency.
>> No. 12898 Anonymous
24th May 2017
Wednesday 9:17 pm
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>>12897
So, you're dismissing something you read in the Guardian on the basis of something you read in the Daily Mail? Really?
>> No. 12899 Anonymous
24th May 2017
Wednesday 9:33 pm
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>>12898
Not at all, they're both as bad as each other but on opposite sides of the political spectrum. The Guardian have form with wearing rose tinted glasses when it comes to the negative side of Islam and I wouldn't trust anything they say about it after Rotherham.

When events like this happen "the community" have form in painting the attacker out to be a decent and polite person, with their family portrayed as pillars of the community, and saying how this has come from a massive shock out of nowhere/blaming everyone else only for it later to come out the woodwork that they and their family are jihadi loving fruitcakes.

They're duplicitous and I wouldn't take anything they say at face value because the truth eventually comes out and it turns out to be quite different. Same with the Bethnal Green girls. Same with Jihadi John.
>> No. 12900 Anonymous
24th May 2017
Wednesday 9:45 pm
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>>12899
>Not at all
Yet here you are suggesting that we should believe something published by the Daily Mail.
>> No. 12901 Anonymous
24th May 2017
Wednesday 10:08 pm
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YbsmK-D5mUU?start=25

John Craven would be proud of this.
>> No. 12902 Anonymous
24th May 2017
Wednesday 10:46 pm
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>>12901

CBBC costs each license fee payer less than a fiver a year. Your five pounds gives our children a truly precious gift.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IN2PVDT44ss
>> No. 12903 Anonymous
25th May 2017
Thursday 12:33 am
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>>12901
ITV news has got a lot more rigorous in its reporting hasn't it...
>> No. 12905 Anonymous
25th May 2017
Thursday 2:03 pm
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I notice that apparently political campaigning was suspended following the attack on Monday but I received >>>/b/410654 on Wednesday.

Here's something else
http://www.businessinsider.de/government-plans-to-force-tech-firms-to-remove-encryption-after-manchester-attack-2017-5?r=US&IR=T
>> No. 12906 Anonymous
25th May 2017
Thursday 2:06 pm
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>>12905
Once the leaflets have been delivered to Royal Mail the parties aren't really responsible for when they go out.
>> No. 12907 Anonymous
25th May 2017
Thursday 3:17 pm
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>>12906
They would have been delivered to the Royal Mail on Tuesday.
>> No. 12908 Anonymous
25th May 2017
Thursday 3:41 pm
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>>12907
How do you know?
>> No. 12909 Anonymous
25th May 2017
Thursday 4:12 pm
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>>12905
I think we all saw this coming. Why anyone who uses the internet would vote for this is beyond me.
>> No. 12910 Anonymous
25th May 2017
Thursday 4:14 pm
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>>12908
Because it would be local mail and that generally arrives next day.
>> No. 12911 Anonymous
25th May 2017
Thursday 4:51 pm
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>>12910
It's not local mail. It's bulk leaflet distribution. That requires at least a week.
>> No. 12912 Anonymous
25th May 2017
Thursday 5:14 pm
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>>12905
I believe it was only national campaigning which was suspended; local campaigning was allowed to continue.
>> No. 12913 Anonymous
25th May 2017
Thursday 5:19 pm
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>>12912
Those leaflets look suspiciously like national campaign material. Either way, they'll have been sat with Royal Mail all last week for delivery at some point this week.
>> No. 12914 Anonymous
26th May 2017
Friday 8:16 am
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Jeremy Corbyn will return to campaigning for the general election on Friday morning after the pause following the Manchester bombing. He plans a speech criticising police cuts, drawing a link between British foreign policy and terror attacks.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/may/25/jeremy-corbyn-links-foreign-policy-to-growing-terror-threat

You can always rely on Corbyn to blame the terror attacks on us, just like after Paris when he laid the responsibility on everyone but the actual attackers.

If it's our fault then why do countries like Germany and Belgium, which don't really get involved in us fucking up the Middle East, also get attacked?

Why would it be our fault that the child of refugees escaping from Gaddafi decides to blow up a load of kids after we've deposed of the dictator?

It's handwringing apologetic drivel from someone who hates our country.
>> No. 12915 Anonymous
26th May 2017
Friday 8:30 am
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>>12914

I'm a labour voter and even I see how terribly misguided this is.
>> No. 12916 Anonymous
26th May 2017
Friday 8:40 am
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>>12914>>12915

Utter bollocks. If you refuse to see the cause and effect of Western foreign policy on Islamist terror attacks you're being wilfully obtuse, and unless you've worked in the foreign office since, let's be broad and say, Gulf War Uno, he's not blaming you, is he? No, he's being entirely reasonable in pointing out how utterly shite the "War on Terror" has been.

>Hates our country

Pull the other one, Mr Dacre.
>> No. 12917 Anonymous
26th May 2017
Friday 8:55 am
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>>12916

The fact he's right doesn't even matter. He's so misguided going down this route.
>> No. 12918 Anonymous
26th May 2017
Friday 9:07 am
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>>12917

>The fact he's right doesn't even matter.

Please re-evaluate everything you just said.
>> No. 12919 Anonymous
26th May 2017
Friday 9:24 am
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>>12918
I believe the point being made is that you don't get votes by giving the complex truth.
>> No. 12920 Anonymous
26th May 2017
Friday 9:33 am
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>>12916
>If you refuse to see the cause and effect of Western foreign policy on Islamist terror attacks you're being wilfully obtuse
Or, you know, he's just been paying attention. If you had also been paying attention instead of repeating taking points then you too would know that ISIS are in no way retaliating for Western aggression. Look at their extensive list of targets. Germany, Belgium, Nigeria, Chad, Somalia. Look at their treatment of the local non-Sunni population. They're not killing us because we bombed their land. They're killing us because they're want us to distrust Islam. They want the faithful to feel like they don't belong in the West and join their crusade. Ultimately, they want to bring on the prophesied battle at Dabiq.

They're a death cult, plain and simple.
>> No. 12921 Anonymous
26th May 2017
Friday 9:59 am
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>>12920

It's not a question of them "retaliating", but them existing in the first place because of the destabilisation of the region.
>> No. 12922 Anonymous
26th May 2017
Friday 10:59 am
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>>12921
Yes, because we started the Arab Spring by burning that fella in Tunisia.

ISIS are not your typical Islamist terror group. Most tend to have actual clerics in senior positions. The top tier of ISIS is mostly drawn from Saddam's regime and army, and what they're doing in Iraq and Syria is the same sort of thing they were doing back then with official sanction. Iraq was not some kind of tolerant cosmopolitan beacon in the desert before we intervened. The idea that we caused them to come into being is at best disingenuous.
>> No. 12923 Anonymous
26th May 2017
Friday 12:23 pm
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>>12922
They weren't doing it here before we intervened.
>> No. 12924 Anonymous
26th May 2017
Friday 12:54 pm
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>>12923
You know what else want happening here before we intervened? Twitter trolling. Is that because we bombed Iraq too?
>> No. 12925 Anonymous
26th May 2017
Friday 1:10 pm
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>>12924
We didn't intervene in twitter.
>> No. 12926 Anonymous
26th May 2017
Friday 1:58 pm
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>>12925
That's because it didn't exist at the time. Neither did any of the other tools ISIS use to recruit and radicalise their army of nutters. 9/11 was planned and carried out by a bunch of Saudis following a Saudi leader, whom they had met, and organised face to face. With the exception of the Raqqa-directed assault on Paris, the recent attacks in the West have been carried out by local talent acting on their own initiative. That simply wouldn't have been possible in 2003.

It's also worth noting that there is a direct relation between their performance at home and the international efforts they claim responsibility for. Their name is being attached to ever more international operations with ever more desperate tactics. They're losing at home. There isn't really much you can do about an enemy that fights like that. You can't let them win because they won't stop (you'd have to be really fucking naïve to believe that they would), and they won't let you wipe them out without taking a few of the infidels with them. They're like a really aggressive cancer. It's not going to stop by itself, but you're not going to tackle it without taking out some healthy cells in the process. That's the awful truth about ISIS and no amount of hand wringing is going to change that.
>> No. 12927 Anonymous
26th May 2017
Friday 2:15 pm
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>>12926
>>There isn't really much you can do about an enemy that fights like that.

Bollocks. Taking out suspects before attacks would be a start. It would save both lives and money.
>> No. 12928 Anonymous
26th May 2017
Friday 2:24 pm
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>>12927
You mean, like the security services already do?
>> No. 12929 Anonymous
26th May 2017
Friday 2:40 pm
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>>12927

This is the way the world ends, not with a bang but with a shitpost.
>> No. 12941 Anonymous
27th May 2017
Saturday 6:42 am
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>>12917
He's right and a majority of the country (and plurality of Tory voters) agree with him. Doesn't seem misguided to me.
>> No. 12943 Anonymous
27th May 2017
Saturday 7:23 am
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>>12941
>in part responsible

That question is wonderfully vague. Nigel Pearson's son being filmed getting rimmed by a Thai prostitute is in part responsible for Leicester winning the Premier League last season, that doesn't make it the overriding factor.
>> No. 12944 Anonymous
27th May 2017
Saturday 7:46 am
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>>12943
Do you think they should have given a percentage of responsibility to agree or disagree with?
>> No. 12945 Anonymous
27th May 2017
Saturday 8:18 am
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>>12943

The numbers for are 53%, against are 24%. Don't act like that is anything other than a winning percentage.
>> No. 12946 Anonymous
27th May 2017
Saturday 8:43 am
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>>12945

The original comment called Corbyn misguided because of the timing of his remarks, not on whether he was right or not. It's not really the thing you should be saying in the immediate aftermath of a suicide bombing.
>> No. 12947 Anonymous
27th May 2017
Saturday 9:19 am
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>>12946

It's exactly the time to talk about it. When should he talk about it? After the election imminent election? Or after eight months of no terror attacks when the point is at its least relevant? If the Conservatives can go on about what a good job they're doing with regards to counter-terrorism, why shouldn't the Labour Party be highlighting what we should be doing differently? It's complete doublethink.
>> No. 12949 Anonymous
27th May 2017
Saturday 11:39 am
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I've just had my first wank since I found out about the attacks. Was it the best ever? No. Was it the most important? Possibly. Either way, don't let the bastards get you down.
>> No. 12950 Anonymous
27th May 2017
Saturday 11:54 am
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It's a strange world where I find myself agreeing with Laurie Penny. A woman whose articles I used to read for angry catharsis on the shitter:
http://www.newstatesman.com/2017/05/course-we-could-do-more-stop-terrorism-if-we-re-willing-live-police-state

She is wrong of course that calling for a final solution is something you can just say (at least in true Chinese police state fashion if people are listening to you) but there is a worrying discussion going on right now involving internment camps and an ever expanding police state. People are scared and forgetting the true implications of what they are saying and it puts me into company I haven't been in for 10 years.

>>12947
>When should he talk about it?

After a week after at least. Maybe if at all possible until the bodies of the victims are cold in the ground before thumbing his nose and saying the terror attack proves he was right all along.
>> No. 12951 Anonymous
27th May 2017
Saturday 2:08 pm
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If I said the great depression caused the final solution, that is technically true. But that doesn't mean wall Street is responsible. The chain of causation ends where individuals have agency. Corbyn is a white guilt driven terrorist apologist.
>> No. 12953 Anonymous
27th May 2017
Saturday 3:16 pm
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>>12951
>The chain of causation ends where individuals have agency
No it doesn't, you knob.
>> No. 12954 Anonymous
27th May 2017
Saturday 3:55 pm
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>>12951

Are we interested in blame, or prevention?

A huge proportion of premature deaths are caused by smoking, obesity and excess drinking. Do we simply blame people for their own choices, or do we try to take steps to improve their lifestyles and prevent disease?

Just telling people not to blow themselves up isn't going to work. There's only so much surveillance any state can do - you quickly hit diminishing returns, where the sheer volume of data overwhelms your ability to analyse it. Collective punishment always backfires.

What we're left with is a public health approach to preventing terrorism. We need a multidisciplinary approach, drawing on skills from politics, social work, psychiatry and marketing. We need to work collaboratively with eskimo communities to prevent their young men from going off the rails. To make that process work, we need to demonstrate goodwill towards the Islamic world - not submission or appeasement, but an attitude of mutual co-operation.

The vast majority of eskimos want peaceful co-existence with non-eskimos. Every terrorist attack undermines their credibility, but every drone strike and unlawful detention undermines ours. Someone has to be the bigger man and extend the hand of friendship; if we don't do it, it's our children that will suffer.
>> No. 12955 Anonymous
27th May 2017
Saturday 3:58 pm
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>>12954
Well said, m8.
>> No. 12956 Anonymous
27th May 2017
Saturday 5:32 pm
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. Nice "ideas" and "prevention" schemes, you simpletons.

The real cause was pretty obviously the weather. This lad had just come back from Libya, a brain bakingly warm nation, saw the weather for the week ahead and decided that he couldn't take it and thought he should spare others the struggle too. That's the truth big oil doesn't want you to know, that climate change killed those wee'uns.

Is this sick? It doesn't feel good to post, but yet here I go.
>> No. 12957 Anonymous
27th May 2017
Saturday 5:59 pm
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>>12950
Her article is spot on, IMO.

So is >>12954. I hope you're writing this elsewhere as it needs to be said now more than ever.
>> No. 12959 Anonymous
27th May 2017
Saturday 7:01 pm
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>>12954
>To make that process work, we need to demonstrate goodwill towards the Islamic world - not submission or appeasement, but an attitude of mutual co-operation.

This is feel-good ignorance bordering on outright racism. It's not the 'Islamic world' that is the problem and although I feel we're going to have this fucking debate until someone invents a time machine ISIS (or general terrorism) is not going to be resolved by pussy-footing around the middle east and blaming everything on Iraq, Afghanistan, stopping Gaddafi from butchering his own people or that old mantra that everything wrong is down to the Sykes-Picot agreement. It's asinine to even think so and it's only right that a twat like Corbyn would push it in-between his interviews with PressTV and RT.

Right now Egypt is bombing targets in Libya after it suffered an attack on Copts that similarly put the deaths of innocent children in the news:
www.france24.com/en/20170526-egypt-libya-launches-air-strikes-libya-response-attack-coptic-christians-children-islamists

Did Egypt invade Iraq? No. Did Sisi come and clearly say that he wants action from the West in fighting terrorism? Yes.

What we're doing with are a dastardly collection of monsters that need a shit-kicking and on that position almost the entire world is behind us. We should by all means help eskimo communities deal with this shared problem and part of that solution is if there is a group such as ISIS actively working to attack us we should strike no matter where they are hiding.
>> No. 12961 Anonymous
27th May 2017
Saturday 7:16 pm
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>>12959
Could you please enlighten us about how Libya became a failed state and terrorist incubator? Thanks.
>> No. 12962 Anonymous
27th May 2017
Saturday 7:20 pm
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>>12959
Er, we don't just take orders from the Egyptian president without weighing up the pros and cons.
>> No. 12963 Anonymous
27th May 2017
Saturday 7:25 pm
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>>12961
Forty-odd years of dictatorship, mainly.
>> No. 12965 Anonymous
27th May 2017
Saturday 7:53 pm
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>>12961
Obama was pretty candid on blame falling on the western Europe and especially Cameron who just ignored the countries situation.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/barack-obama-says-david-cameron-allowed-libya-to-become-a-s-show-a6923976.html

As you can imagine I don't think he is wrong on this and there is a good argument to make that we are still making a mess of things today when it comes to Libya.

>>12962
The point is that eskimo leaders and communities do want us to be involved in the Middle East. Surprised you missed that one.
>> No. 12966 Anonymous
27th May 2017
Saturday 7:54 pm
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>>12963
I suggest you find out what the state of Libya's development was before and after those 40 years if you think they turned the country into a failed state, my friend. It had the highest HDI in Africa prior to the NATO intervention.
>> No. 12968 Anonymous
27th May 2017
Saturday 7:55 pm
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>>12959
>stopping Gaddafi from butchering his own people
Still waiting on those press reports being confirmed, all these years later!
>> No. 12969 Anonymous
27th May 2017
Saturday 7:58 pm
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>>12966
>>12968
You not running for election this time, George?
>> No. 12971 Anonymous
27th May 2017
Saturday 8:07 pm
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>>12968
>>12966
Are you aware that prior to NATO intervention Libya was in a state of civil war i.e. that thing where the regime was engaged in a war against its own people?
>> No. 12972 Anonymous
27th May 2017
Saturday 8:10 pm
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>>12969
Did George Galloway write the reports for the Commons' Foreign Affairs Committee too?
>> No. 12974 Anonymous
27th May 2017
Saturday 8:12 pm
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>>12971
That's not what a civil war is.
>> No. 12975 Anonymous
27th May 2017
Saturday 8:15 pm
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>>12966
>It had the highest HDI in Africa prior to the NATO intervention.
Yeah, it was the highest in continental Africa with a value in the "high" bracket, whereas now it's slipped to ... second highest in continental Africa with a value in the "high" bracket. Quite the fall from grace, I'm sure you'd agree.

It's almost as if HDI doesn't measure what you think it does.
>> No. 12976 Anonymous
27th May 2017
Saturday 8:17 pm
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>>12974
No, I'm pretty sure that is exactly what a civil war is.
>> No. 12977 Anonymous
27th May 2017
Saturday 8:18 pm
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>>12975
It's almost as if you didn't read the whole post. The point is that that development was achieved of the course of Gadaffi's rule. You can't do that if you're creating a failed state.
>> No. 12979 Anonymous
27th May 2017
Saturday 8:21 pm
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>>12976
The definition in the picture is correct, yours is not. It's a war between the citizens of a country, not between "a regime" and "its own people".
>> No. 12980 Anonymous
27th May 2017
Saturday 8:22 pm
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>>12977
Again, only if you wilfully misunderstand how development is defined for the purposes of the HDI.
>> No. 12981 Anonymous
27th May 2017
Saturday 8:24 pm
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>>12980
If a state is in the process of failing, its institutions can't support development. Sorry if you don't understand this, I can't make it any clearer!
>> No. 12982 Anonymous
27th May 2017
Saturday 8:25 pm
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>>12979
>It's a war between the citizens of a country, but only when I approve of how they divide.
>> No. 12983 Anonymous
27th May 2017
Saturday 8:25 pm
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The west is at fault, when it intervenes to over throw dictators, the west is at fault when it doesn't intervenes to over throw dictators. If only we had invaded Libya when we were supposed to and not Iraq when we shouldn't have. God we are such arseholes and deserve to be bombed by the refugees we take in from failed states. Our reaction to unprovoked terrorist attacks 16 year ago is obviously the provocation for attacks now. If we never respond there would never have been any additional attacks.
>> No. 12984 Anonymous
27th May 2017
Saturday 8:26 pm
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>>12972
Here's another page, seeing as the NATO fans conveniently seem to have missed this post.
>> No. 12986 Anonymous
27th May 2017
Saturday 8:28 pm
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>>12981
No, you've made it clear enough. The definitions of development and civil war are based on undisclosed rules which you've made up to rationalise your position now that it's become clear they don't have any basis in reality.
>> No. 12988 Anonymous
27th May 2017
Saturday 8:31 pm
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>>12986
How are they undisclosed? You can look up definitions of development yourself, they centre around metrics of health, income and education. These are things that don't improve if the civil institutions which support them are falling apart. If you want to dispute this, go ahead, but you've got quite a mountain to climb.
>> No. 12989 Anonymous
27th May 2017
Saturday 8:32 pm
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>>12983
It's just like how if we don't back our nukes we're loony pacifists but if we do back them we're trigger-happy psychopaths.
>> No. 12990 Anonymous
27th May 2017
Saturday 8:38 pm
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>>12984
The point of the report and what it concludes upon is that NATO intervention began on evidence that may or may not ever be conclusively proven (sadly war criminals are shoddy record keepers). Being that we're mortals and the report itself focuses on answering why Libya collapsed post-revolution it's hardly disproving the motivations and furthermore as part of the Arab Spring we can exercise some skepticism over claims that a mass rebellion wasn't going on.

Also rather than taking screen-shots why don't you just link the report:
https://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm201617/cmselect/cmfaff/119/11902.htm

>NATO fans

Are you trying to change opinions or just flail about on the keyboard to toe the momentum party line?
>> No. 12991 Anonymous
27th May 2017
Saturday 8:49 pm
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>>12990
>NATO intervention began on evidence that may or may not ever be conclusively proven (sadly war criminals are shoddy record keepers)
NATO intervention began on evidence which there is every reason to believe was at best wildly exaggerated, and luckily we don't need to rely on the Gadaffi regime's "record keeping" to establish that.

There is absolutely no reason to believe he was "butchering his own people".
>> No. 12993 Anonymous
27th May 2017
Saturday 8:51 pm
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And no, I'm not trying to change opinions, because there's absolutely no point. If you're recycling uncorroborated allegations from six years ago to justify the absolute atrocity which was visited upon Libya, you simply don't care.
>> No. 12994 Anonymous
27th May 2017
Saturday 9:04 pm
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>>12991
>There is absolutely no reason to believe he was "butchering his own people".
You are, of course, right. When the protests kicked off in Benghazi, they arranged to have snipers fire on their own crowds to make it look like the regime were shooting at the citizenry. Though, come to think of it, it does make you wonder how they managed to sell that dummy, given that, as you point out, there was absolutely no reason to think that Gaddafi or his forces would do such a thing.

It's almost as if your premise is wrong.
>> No. 12995 Anonymous
27th May 2017
Saturday 9:16 pm
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>>12994
Which foreign government do you reckon should have invaded Britain in the wake of Bloody Sunday?
>> No. 12997 Anonymous
27th May 2017
Saturday 9:32 pm
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>>12990
>(sadly war criminals are shoddy record keepers)
They learned this after Nuremberg. We only found out the true scale of things from the copious paperwork involved, and there were quite a few people at the later trials who probably wouldn't have been there had they not been named in the minutes or circulation lists from the Wannsee Conference. These days, if you don't want to be hanged for crimes against humanity, it's best not to keep a diary.
>> No. 12998 Anonymous
27th May 2017
Saturday 9:34 pm
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>>12995
Oh, so those snipers weren't deliberately firing on the protesters, they just got confused and overreacted?
>> No. 12999 Anonymous
27th May 2017
Saturday 9:39 pm
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>>12959

How will any of that reduce terrorism on the streets of Britain? How will bombing the living shit out of ISIS dissuade British-born eskimos from turning themselves into the world's shittest firework display?

There might be a case for military intervention in the middle east on humanitarian grounds. I don't see any evidence that such intervention would make us any safer.
>> No. 13001 Anonymous
27th May 2017
Saturday 9:50 pm
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>>12998
I have no idea, and I don't think anyone can claim to have perfect knowledge of their motivations and perception of the situation.

How about the US after Kent State? Should Canada have intervened?
>> No. 13002 Anonymous
27th May 2017
Saturday 9:53 pm
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>>12999
Indeed, if we hate ISIS so badly perhaps we could stop being chums with their #1 fans the Saudis.
>> No. 13006 Anonymous
27th May 2017
Saturday 10:01 pm
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>>12999
>How will bombing the living shit out of ISIS dissuade British-born eskimos from turning themselves into the world's shittest firework display?
How do you suppose you get ISIS-supporting and ISIS-radicalised lone wolves if there is no ISIS to support and no ISIS to radicalise them?

>I don't see any evidence that such intervention would make us any safer.
An annoying twat is slapping you in the face. He says out loud, to your face, that he's going to keep doing it until you retaliate. You decide to do nothing, and he just keeps on slapping. You decide to walk away, and he just follows you waving his palm in the direction of your face. You then decide to lamp him one. Eventually he gets back up and gets to slapping you again but at least you got some peace. After a while, it becomes clear that the only hope for you to not get slapped in the face is to deliver enough damage that he physically can't retaliate. Maybe that means breaking both his wrists, or removing his hands, or cracking his spine. Either way, he's not going to stop until you put his hands beyond use.

That's what ISIS is. They want their holy war. They want invading armies. And they're going to keep on encouraging acts of terrorism until they get that. Sure, we could try not intervening further, but surely you're not daft enough to genuinely think that the ISIS reaction will be to just get bored and go away, right? The problem isn't our intervention in Iraq. It's our non-intervention in Syria.
>> No. 13007 Anonymous
27th May 2017
Saturday 10:06 pm
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>>13006
>How do you suppose you get ISIS-supporting and ISIS-radicalised lone wolves if there is no ISIS to support and no ISIS to radicalise them?
... Is this your first time hearing about terrorism or something?
>> No. 13008 Anonymous
27th May 2017
Saturday 10:07 pm
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>>13006
And then what you go and do is, you punch yourself in the face. You punch yourself hard enough in the face to go mental and win.
>> No. 13009 Anonymous
27th May 2017
Saturday 10:08 pm
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I went for a wander round Manchester about 5pm due to a train delay. Somehow getting together with a PA system singing manc band songs and virtue signalling your fresh bee tattoos seems to be the thing. Pic attached from an Andy Burnham tweet saying 'This is what Manchester is all about'. Looks like a bunch of cu cks to me, ready to be indoctrinated / submitted to the 7th century schizophrenic beard nazi moon splitter.

(A good day to you Sir!)
>> No. 13010 Anonymous
27th May 2017
Saturday 10:24 pm
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>>13006
Part of me hopes this isn't 100% serious.
>> No. 13011 Anonymous
27th May 2017
Saturday 10:45 pm
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>>13010

It's just progress he's being let out by himself. Once he stops wetting he can finally start looking for work.
>> No. 13013 Anonymous
27th May 2017
Saturday 11:10 pm
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>>13010
Nah, he's just ragging with you. ISIS will absolutely, definitely, 100% stop attacking if we leave them alone. They're a thieving murderous death cult, of course we can trust them.
>> No. 13015 Anonymous
27th May 2017
Saturday 11:16 pm
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>>13013

Did you even read the post you made, it's inane bollocks at best.
>> No. 13016 Anonymous
28th May 2017
Sunday 12:30 am
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>>13013

We can definitely bring peace and stability to a middle-eastern country through military intervention. Just look at the incredible success stories of Iraq and Afghanistan. I've got a package holiday booked to Kandahar next month, I hear that the scenery is to die for.
>> No. 13017 Anonymous
28th May 2017
Sunday 1:19 am
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>>13016
>Just look at the incredible success stories of Iraq and Afghanistan.
Let's see, the Iraqi army (with our help) is right at this minute in the process of flushing out the last ISIS holdouts in the country and Afghanistan has the first signs of a functioning state in around four decades.

But whatever, the fanatical death cult will cease their quest for blood if we just leave them alone, right?
>> No. 13020 Anonymous
28th May 2017
Sunday 3:36 am
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>>13017
So apparently we only have two options lads, leave them alone or kill an idea.
>> No. 13021 Anonymous
28th May 2017
Sunday 4:42 am
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>>13017
If you think for three seconds about how Iraq came to have ISIS strongholds in the first place, or about who funded the Mujaheddin who destabilised the Afghan state four decades ago, yeah leaving the region alone doesn't seem like such a bad idea honestly.
>> No. 13022 Anonymous
28th May 2017
Sunday 8:29 am
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>Britain can expect more terrorist atrocities if Jeremy Corbyn becomes Prime Minister, Home Secretary Amber Rudd has claimed.

>He had ‘boasted’ about opposing anti-terrorist measures, there was ‘no evidence he will keep people safe’ and he would ‘sign our security away,’ she said in an interview with The Mail on Sunday.

>Asked if she was suggesting it would mean a greater risk of another terrorist atrocity if Mr Corbyn became PM, Ms Rudd stressed she was not linking it to the Manchester bomb, but added: ‘It absolutely does, yes.’

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4548626/Home-Secretary-Amber-Rudd-goes-warpath.html

They're really getting desperate.
>> No. 13023 Anonymous
28th May 2017
Sunday 10:14 am
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>>12762

>The problem with all conspiracy theories is, of course, the number of people who have to be sworn to secrecy for them to be true.

The problem with that argument is that nobody has to be sworn to secrecy. They just have to know that it's in their best interest to keep schtum.

For example, you don't see very many coppers out there pointing out the lack of statistical correlation between crime rates and police presence. You don't catch many doctors talking about how generous the NHS overtime rates are.

People instinctually know which side their bread is buttered.
>> No. 13024 Anonymous
28th May 2017
Sunday 11:42 am
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>>13022

I'm sorry Aber, I can't here your bullshit over the sobbing of all these Mancunians, could you speak up a little.

I mean, the fucking nerve, to claim Corbyn wouldn't keep people safe when two dozen people were blown up on your watch not a week ago.
>> No. 13025 Anonymous
28th May 2017
Sunday 11:59 am
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>>13021
You're right, clearly we wouldn't be in this position had we not let those upstart colonies fall to rebellion all those centuries ago.

So let's leave the fanatics alone then, eh? We can trust them to negotiate honestly, can't we? They may be just killing anyone that doesn't agree with their worldview and funding themselves through extortion, but we can definitely trust them to stop trying to persuade people to attack is, right?

You really have no idea what's going on, do you?
>> No. 13026 Anonymous
28th May 2017
Sunday 1:07 pm
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>>13021
>If you think for three seconds about how Iraq came to have ISIS strongholds in the first place

The collapse of the Iraqi Army and Awakening?

>who funded the Mujaheddin who destabilised the Afghan state four decades ago

Er...everyone but there is a difference between Mujaheddin and Taliban with the problem being that post-Soviet withdraw the West lost interest. Obviously the one destabilizing the Afghan state was the Soviets though.

>>13022
I'm counting 3 maybe 4 reasons why Amber Rudd is a moron to say this. As Momentumlad is about I will say the first is that Labour have walked lock-step with the Conservative party on issues like monitoring all our internet.

Thing she is addressing the general public so who knows.
>> No. 13027 Anonymous
28th May 2017
Sunday 4:57 pm
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>>13024
>I mean, the fucking nerve, to claim Corbyn wouldn't keep people safe when two dozen people were blown up on your watch not a week ago.

Hey! It's not like there's any direct responsibility for Theresa May here...

>Nor, it appears, did Cameron’s ministers concern themselves about how a failed state in Libya might affect the growth of global jihadism, and the domestic terror threat in the UK.

>In January 2016, in evidence to the foreign affairs committee, Liam Fox, defence secretary in 2011, was asked if the government had made an assessment of the threat of Islamic extremism among anti-Gaddafi rebels. Fox replied: “I do not recall reading anything of that nature. That is not to say it would not have been done, but I don’t recall reading such material … I do not recall reading any reports that set out the background of any Islamist activity to specific rebel groups.”

>It is an astonishing failure. Because, as the committee report makes clear, from February 2011 Islamist rebels detached themselves from the main rebel militia, refused to take orders from it and killed its main commander. By October, the situation was out of control. Theresa May, as home secretary, sat through 55 national security council meetings on Libya between March and November 2011. The national security adviser’s “lessons learned” report makes no mention of any Home Office contribution to that body’s decisions, nor any mention of the implications for domestic terror.

>It is now reported that MI5 was facilitating the travel of non-jihadi British Libyans to fight in Tripoli. The minister responsible for that decision would have been May. Did she ask about the impact of the Libyan fighting on the terror threat here? That would be something the newspapers, if they did their job, would be shouting at her today, instead of hurling insults at Jeremy Corbyn.

>In July 2011, as the fighting raged, May did warn that al-Qaida was seizing arms in Libya. However, she concluded, because of the Arab spring, “al-Qaida is failing”. Unfortunately it was the Arab spring that failed, and the rise of Islamic State was one of the results.

>In January this year May pulled the plug on any future strategy of regime change and foreign intervention, implicitly criticising Cameron’s Libya strategy. Speaking in Philadelphia, she decried “the failed policies of the past”.

>But it is the job of a government to do more than decry things. It has to deal with the mess created. And to do that, it has to ask a question May never bothered with: are cuts to the police and defence budgets sustainable in the context of the increased terror threat? May’s response, to the rooms full of police federation reps who did raise it, year after year, was to reject the premise of the question. Now, with the terror threat at critical, she has had to deploy troops to guard key installations

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/may/27/libya-fallout-theresa-may-failed-terror

Oh.
>> No. 13028 Anonymous
28th May 2017
Sunday 6:20 pm
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>>13026
>The collapse of the Iraqi Army and Awakening?

That's a good start lad, keep going.

>Obviously the one destabilizing the Afghan state was the Soviets though.

And American aid was provided to the Mujaheddin prior to soviet intervention with the intent of drawing them in, so as to give them their own Vietnam.
>> No. 13029 Anonymous
28th May 2017
Sunday 6:55 pm
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>>13028
Comedy gold, m7. Live At The Apollo is surely just a phonecall away.
>> No. 13030 Anonymous
28th May 2017
Sunday 7:15 pm
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>>13029
You could have made a substantial rebuttal, but just elected not to I'm sure.
>> No. 13031 Anonymous
28th May 2017
Sunday 7:41 pm
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>>13030
>You could have made a substantial rebuttal
What would be the point? You don't come across as the sort of person who'd take it on board anyway.
>> No. 13032 Anonymous
28th May 2017
Sunday 7:54 pm
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>>13031
No, really. I'd love to hear about how Iraqi history began ten years ago and the Americans lied when they admitted provoking the Soviets in Afghanistan.
>> No. 13033 Anonymous
28th May 2017
Sunday 8:44 pm
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Can we all just agree that George Bush was funny and that the 2000s were a bit of an embarrassing decade that we're still suffering a hangover from?

I hate multi-day hangovers, feeling like death one day is a fair price to pay, but don't take my entire weekend you bastards.
>> No. 13040 Anonymous
3rd June 2017
Saturday 9:23 pm
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>Meanwhile, police said they had so far found no record of any calls to the anti-daft militant kitten hotline about Abedi. After the attack, a community worker said two people had made separate calls to the hotline about five years ago to raise concerns about his behaviour.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-40122572

Here we go again. In the immediate aftermath of the attack members of "the community" let the media know all about how they'd reported their suspicions over Abedi to the daft militant kitten hotline. One the dust has settled it turns out that this is total bollocks and he was never reported whatsoever by any of the myriad claiming otherwise. They're so fucking duplicitous.
>> No. 13041 Anonymous
3rd June 2017
Saturday 9:30 pm
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>>13040
Well, if the police found no record of it, that must mean it didn't happen. You know, like how the police found no record that those suspected of bombings in the 1970s were beaten, or no record of statements being altered in the wake of any significant situation involving crowds, or no record of officers being paid for information by the press.
>> No. 13042 Anonymous
3rd June 2017
Saturday 9:32 pm
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>>13041
I don't trust the police. I don't trust eskimos. Which one is more untrustworthy?

There's only one way to find out...
>> No. 13043 Anonymous
3rd June 2017
Saturday 10:08 pm
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>>13040
Why is it their job? What's the police for? Are you calling for a decentralised police force?
>> No. 13051 Anonymous
7th June 2017
Wednesday 8:19 am
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Is it wrong to assume that if there was a punk, or punk like, movement within the British Asian community these attacks wouldn't happen? And before you say "yes, you silly tit" you can't actually know because this is a hypothetical question.
>> No. 13052 Anonymous
7th June 2017
Wednesday 8:23 am
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>>13051

What makes you think punk is an sort of outlet at all for people and not just a cliquey as fuck fashion trend?
>> No. 13053 Anonymous
7th June 2017
Wednesday 8:30 am
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>>13052
That's the problem with all movements in the west, especially after 2001. Everything is a watered down trend.
>> No. 13054 Anonymous
7th June 2017
Wednesday 9:05 am
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>>13052

Because on some level punk was about self-empowerment and unfocused rage, sort of like suicide bombing, but without all the dead folks and making me too depressed to switch the news on.
>> No. 13058 Anonymous
12th June 2017
Monday 6:33 pm
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>>13054
So what you're saying is we should give away free guitars and drumkits in igloos, and that would put an end to militant daft woggery?
>> No. 13059 Anonymous
12th June 2017
Monday 8:04 pm
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>>13058

No, of course not, you can't have state mandated counter-culture, can you?

But I, I'll use this word for now, operate very close to the igloo Abedi attended. And I will, for the good of the country, tan myself silly, glue on a Jackass 2 style pube beard and pass out a Death Grips mixtape after Friday prayers. And guys, I really think that is what will stop these attacks. I really do.
>> No. 13070 Anonymous
19th June 2017
Monday 1:33 am
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Here we go again, lads:
>A number of casualties are being treated at the scene after reports that a vehicle was involved in a collision in north London.
>The Metropolitan Police say they are dealing with a "major incident" as a result of the collision in Seven Sisters Road, Finsbury Park.

>The incident is described as being close to Finsbury Park station and igloo.
>London Ambulance Service say they have sent a "number of resources" to the scene.
>The Met Police said in a statement: "Police were called just after 0020hrs 18 June to reports of a vehicle in collision with pedestrians.

http://news.sky.com/story/vehicle-collides-with-pedestrians-in-finsbury-park-10919826
>> No. 13071 Anonymous
19th June 2017
Monday 2:10 am
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>>13070
Looks like a white guy this time. Hopefully all the moderate whites will condemn this attack.
>> No. 13072 Anonymous
19th June 2017
Monday 3:54 am
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https://twitter.com/Known_As_H/status/876584605276676097

Looks like there has been a war going on in this silly fucker's brain. What a horrible thing to happen. Bloody hell the news is non-stop apocalypse lately.
>> No. 13077 Anonymous
19th June 2017
Monday 11:50 am
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>>13070
The hire company is getting lots of free advertising out of this. The top story in Wales appears to be "Welsh hire van in 'igloo terror attack'"
>> No. 13078 Anonymous
19th June 2017
Monday 12:29 pm
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>>13072
You watch it turn out he's part of some "network", the same one as Jo Cox's killer, where the gateway is something like Britain First.
>> No. 13079 Anonymous
19th June 2017
Monday 12:40 pm
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>>13078
Are you saying that it is a conspiracy?
>> No. 13080 Anonymous
19th June 2017
Monday 12:43 pm
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>>13079
I'm saying it'll turn out to be the white supremacist version of a terror cell, with a network getting the mentally ill to do their bidding.

Actually, scratch that. If you read the comments on Britain First it'd be impossible to tell which ones are genuinely unstable.
>> No. 13081 Anonymous
19th June 2017
Monday 12:47 pm
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>>13071
As a white person I'm getting tired of being expected to apologise for things that have been done by other people that happen to be white.

Also, what is it with these isolated incidents that keep happening all the time?

Subtlety of a breeze block to the face, I know.
>> No. 13082 Anonymous
19th June 2017
Monday 2:18 pm
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>>13081
>Also, what is it with these isolated incidents that keep happening all the time
Morons watch videos that make them angry and then drive vans into people.
>> No. 13083 Anonymous
19th June 2017
Monday 6:51 pm
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Enoch Powell was right. I suspect this will only get worse.
>> No. 13084 Anonymous
19th June 2017
Monday 7:03 pm
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>>13083
The only way to stop this is to heavily regulate the interenet. Maybe even make some sort of net passport for all the citizens.
>> No. 13085 Anonymous
19th June 2017
Monday 7:43 pm
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>>13083

If it makes people less passive and more reactive then it's for the better. People are too divided as it is thanks to years of political meddling in social circles and restricting cultural policing.

Ever since the Indians came over in the 80s, the gubmint has been way too active in telling people to be accepting, instead of tolerant, and punishing anyone who actively seeks to police the scum who come in with the good. That's why the older Caribbeans and Asians (mainly Indians) are actually nice people who interact with others because the people who were shit got policed by everyone.

The laplanderstani/Arabic/Africans who came in with the 90s New Labour government came in en masse under a blanket of untouchable status since a single whisper behind their backs was seen as racial tension and you would end up with the 999 down your throat as they jumped to that front.

It's why calling someone racist when it's clearly nothing to do with race has become a common reaction to any sort of criticism when race is involved and the word has been devalued to the point you may as well not use it.
>> No. 13086 Anonymous
19th June 2017
Monday 7:45 pm
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>>13085
Take your pills lad.
>> No. 13087 Anonymous
19th June 2017
Monday 7:47 pm
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>>13083
He wasn't, you're just a racist trying to make his quote fit your warped worldview.
>> No. 13088 Anonymous
19th June 2017
Monday 7:48 pm
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>>13085
I agree. The darkies who came after the 90s needed C18 attacking them, and some good laplander bashing. That would have set them straight.
>> No. 13089 Anonymous
19th June 2017
Monday 7:53 pm
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>>13087
What's wrong with being racist?
>> No. 13090 Anonymous
19th June 2017
Monday 8:00 pm
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>>13089
>Man: I dunno, you sound like a racist to me.
>Tom Metzger: I am a racist! What the hell are you talking about?
>Man: I'm not a racist.
>Tom Metzger: You're not a racist? Don't you want your grandchildren to look like you?
>Man: I don't give a shit what my grandchildren look like.
>Tom Metzger: Oh man, you're killing me!
>> No. 13091 Anonymous
19th June 2017
Monday 8:11 pm
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>>13089

Race doesn't exist and racists are class traitors.
>> No. 13092 Anonymous
19th June 2017
Monday 8:11 pm
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Anyway lads, was the lad who done the eskimos yesterday English or Welsh?
>> No. 13093 Anonymous
19th June 2017
Monday 8:18 pm
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>>13092
Darren Osborne - got to say from the descriptions he seems like a thundering prick.
>> No. 13095 Anonymous
19th June 2017
Monday 8:27 pm
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>>13092
He was a filthy English immigrant from across the Channel in Weston. We should have put him on a boat back where he came from (pic related).
>> No. 13096 Anonymous
19th June 2017
Monday 8:28 pm
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>>13093
>> No. 13097 Anonymous
19th June 2017
Monday 8:40 pm
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Why didn't the moderate whites report this daft militant wog?
>> No. 13098 Anonymous
19th June 2017
Monday 9:18 pm
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>>13097
Because we're all in on it too.
>> No. 13099 Anonymous
19th June 2017
Monday 9:26 pm
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>>13071
>>13081
>>13097
It would appear that we're in for a long week.
>> No. 13100 Anonymous
19th June 2017
Monday 9:51 pm
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>>13099
What's wrong with wanting a community to police itself? The so called "moderate" whites didn't even report this maniac, and they still are making excuses for him. The right wing media even tried to cover it up by trying to frame it as a "lone" attacker, rather than just calling it a daft militant wog incident.

Why didn't the secret services know about this? Why wasn't he stripped of his passport and repatriated back to Denmark?
>> No. 13101 Anonymous
19th June 2017
Monday 10:08 pm
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I worry because in the rush to start shouting and get even, we have lost sight of the craziness of life in 21st Century Britain today. We are living in mad times.

Yet we don't even stop to realise how bonkers it is that someone just took a white van and drove into people tending an elderly man who had fainted at a bus stop.

We're lost in the confusion.

We're too busy shouting from our soap box to see, so divided across so many fault lines everyone is at odds with someone. No left versus right. Or eskimo versus non-eskimo. Or rich versus poor. We are multiple points on a spider web diagram, a full 360 of possible points of disagreement, held together by the finest of threads.

We are fractious children, bickering over everything, squabbling about who got the biggest portion or the largest share. This is a sinister kids party where the only way to get attention is to behave worse than they shitty kid next to you eating his own toenails.

"It's so unfair". We all shout in each other's faces. 'He hit me first'. We shout back. We pull each other's hair.

We have to stop this. We all have to stop.

Islamist terror, recriminations after tragedy, an attack by a man in a White Van. This bridge, that tower, this city, that.

Perhaps we can find agreement.

Sometimes you have to step a long way back to find something you can agree on - but with a telescope and the best intentions, it can be done.

Surely we can agree the rush to argue or bicker or blame doesn't seem to get us anywhere.

Hopefully we can agree, perhaps that politicking and inaction gets us no where. Rage has to find a home, anger too. And meaningful action gives rage and anger something to hold on to. Perhaps we can agree meaningful action from our political leaders is not words for the camera, or letters posted on to Twitter, or recriminations or blame.

It isn't small things. Like words. Or hugs. Or long things. Like criminal investigations. Or physical things. Like more bollards or concrete blocks. Though these all play a part.

It is deciding that we do want to live together that will make our country safe again. That makes our children less likely to be harmed. And more likely that our loved ones come home to us at night.

It’s all ordinary Brits want. To be happy, to pass as healthy and for our kids to be safe.

Whether we like each other is not relevant. I don't need you to like me for us to be able to agree. That is the very worst kind of relationship we would hope for. I love my husband because he is the opposite of me.

We should hope to be as happily opposed. Able to share our truths without fear of losing jobs or friends. But united in demanding action to make our country safe again. Whatever we need to do for the tower, the tragedy, the terror - left and right, rich poor, eskimo Christian, we need to do for all.


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4618550/KATIE-HOPKINS-Britain-boiling-point-need-step-brink.html

The most sense I've read all day is from Katie Hopkins. Everything is officially bonkers.
>> No. 13102 Anonymous
19th June 2017
Monday 10:20 pm
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>>13101
Oh please. She stokes the fires by shouting about a final solution for eskimos but then backs down when someone acts on her words. I guess she couldn't stomach the final solution.

We need a final solution when a darkie drives a van into people, but we need to unite and understand one another when a white guy drives a van into people.

She has lost all credibility a long time ago, and she can fuck off.
>> No. 13103 Anonymous
19th June 2017
Monday 10:29 pm
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https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/jun/19/finsbury-park-attack-suspect-named-as-cardiff-resident-darren-osborne

So how comes all those racists at the pub never reported him when he said he would kill a few eskimos?
>> No. 13104 Anonymous
19th June 2017
Monday 10:38 pm
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So did he actually kill anyone? I've read reports saying it's unclear whether the person who died was the one who'd collapsed and would have died anyway.
>> No. 13105 Anonymous
19th June 2017
Monday 10:42 pm
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>>13104
Would have died?

Nice one.
>> No. 13106 Anonymous
19th June 2017
Monday 10:46 pm
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>>13104
Sounds like he did not - the person who died had already collapsed beforehand and was being attended to.
>> No. 13107 Anonymous
19th June 2017
Monday 10:49 pm
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>>13104
Of course he would have died anyway. Just probably not right there, right then, shortly after being hit by a van.
>> No. 13110 Anonymous
19th June 2017
Monday 11:08 pm
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>Theresa May has said the Finsbury Park igloo attack justifies her plan to impose a raft of regulations on the internet.
>The Prime Minister was speaking outside 10 Downing Street after a white van ploughed into eskimo worshippers following prayers at the north London igloo, leaving one dead and 10 injured.
>"This Government will act to stamp out extremist and hateful ideology, both across society and on the internet," she said.
http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/gadgets-and-tech/news/finsbury-park-igloo-attack-latest-theresa-may-internet-crackdown-justification-terrorism-web-a7797281.html

For a man with a hammer every problem is a nail I guess. I wonder if Labour will support this or fight it tooth and nail by abstaining on votes or getting mysterious flu-like symptoms that never quite go away.

>>13100
>>13103
Lads we're better than this. It's not about snowdrifts it's about low hanging fruit that everyone is going to repeat ad nauseam like we're living in an Eddie Izzard dystopia.

Before you post think, do you really want to lay awake at night in fear of the midnight knock from beret wearing secret police asking 'have you got flaaaag'?

>>13104
I can't imagine the van helped matters.
>> No. 13111 Anonymous
19th June 2017
Monday 11:28 pm
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>>13110
I think it is better to ban vans.
>> No. 13112 Anonymous
19th June 2017
Monday 11:35 pm
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>>13110
She really has no morals whatsoever. Christ.
>> No. 13113 Anonymous
19th June 2017
Monday 11:45 pm
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>>13110
>getting mysterious flu-like symptoms that never quite go away.

I believe the correct medical term is 'selective diabetes'.

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