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>> No. 13168 Anonymous
12th August 2017
Saturday 8:38 pm
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Violent clashes have erupted between white nationalists attending a far-right march and counter-protesters in the US state of Virginia.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-40912509


Americans.
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>> No. 13169 Anonymous
12th August 2017
Saturday 8:55 pm
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>>13168

It's a news source from the BBC

OMG far right armageddon
>> No. 13172 Anonymous
12th August 2017
Saturday 9:40 pm
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>>13169
What seems to be the problem, lad?

If they're holding torches whilst doing Nazi salutes and chanting things like "white lives matter" and "Jew will not replace us" then it seems reasonable to label them as far right.
>> No. 13173 Anonymous
12th August 2017
Saturday 9:43 pm
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>>13168
"Americans"? What? You seriously cannot recall any far-right marches taking place in this country?
>> No. 13174 Anonymous
12th August 2017
Saturday 9:52 pm
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>>13173
It's the way Americans do things. It's just so... American.

At least when we have a far-right march it's proper skinheads rather than 4chan basement dwellers having a day out meme-spouting and ploughing cars into crowds of people.
>> No. 13175 Anonymous
12th August 2017
Saturday 10:02 pm
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>>13172

>What seems to be the problem, lad?

Men with beards raping vulnerable girls where I live. Labour councils ignoring this to get votes and nothing being done.

Lad
>> No. 13176 Anonymous
12th August 2017
Saturday 10:04 pm
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>>13175
Yeah nowadays all parties are chasing the pro-child abuse vote aren't they.
>> No. 13177 Anonymous
12th August 2017
Saturday 10:12 pm
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>>13174
Fuck me. They really want to go back to the Klan days and lynchings. Did anyone carry a giant fire cross?
>> No. 13178 Anonymous
12th August 2017
Saturday 10:13 pm
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>>13168
>Virginia
They aren't trying hard to get rid of the racist south image anymore, are they?
>> No. 13180 Anonymous
12th August 2017
Saturday 10:24 pm
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>>13177
I don't think so, but it wouldn't surprise me. Plenty of Confederate flags.

I think it said there were around 6,000 of them last night (>>/shed/14291).
>> No. 13181 Anonymous
12th August 2017
Saturday 10:29 pm
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>>13175
>Men with beards raping vulnerable girls where I live. Labour councils ignoring this to get votes and nothing being done.

>Lad

I lived to see "white working class" become just another pity-me minority group. Identity politics poisons everything.
>> No. 13182 Anonymous
13th August 2017
Sunday 12:30 am
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>>13168
The fucking tiki torches and everything. How do they not see how laughable this is?

>>13175
Good grief.
>> No. 13185 Anonymous
13th August 2017
Sunday 1:13 am
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I'm glad British culture doesn't allow for this kind of political fundamentalism. Imagine if on the news we had to deal with people shouting memes at one-another because of a Cromwell statue and then someone gets run over by a neo-cavalier in a shagged out Polo.

>>13169
>OMG far right armageddon

Carmageddon surely?

>>13178
In fairness the reason these protests are happening in the South has to do with Confederate war monuments being removed as state demographics flip. Looking at US history you notice that when this happens it sparks instability.

So it is more like the American South is starting to get its act together and we are seeing a reaction. Incidentally the flip to Republican in the American rustbelt is commonly credited with Trump getting elected last year.
>> No. 13186 Anonymous
13th August 2017
Sunday 1:18 am
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>>13185
Is it safe to say that the American south is as divided as Norn Iron?

Silly really - for erecting statues for the people who lost the rebellion. One can only imagine how divided Germany would be were it not for the de-Nazification policies.
>> No. 13189 Anonymous
13th August 2017
Sunday 5:09 am
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>>13186
The only equivalence is that they both lost.
>> No. 13190 Anonymous
13th August 2017
Sunday 6:06 am
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http://www.esama.ca/warning-signs-that-you-are-in-a-cult
>> No. 13193 Anonymous
13th August 2017
Sunday 8:46 am
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Oh, the driver was a 4channer alright. You can tell a mile off.

It was quite funny watching /pol/ on the other place shit themselves last night over this, using their usual tactics of spreading disinformation and then mental gymnastics to claim the driver was an antifa protestor who'd targeted the wrong crowd or panicked when they started banging on his car.
>> No. 13194 Anonymous
13th August 2017
Sunday 10:37 am
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>>13193

I don't get it, he spends tens of thousands on the car, and then about fifteen quid on his threads? This surely should have told someone he was off his rocker?
>> No. 13197 Anonymous
13th August 2017
Sunday 10:50 am
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>>13194
I believe they spend most of their money on shields and whatever other LARPing equipment they need.
>> No. 13201 Anonymous
13th August 2017
Sunday 12:58 pm
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>>13193
Seems odd they'd try to blame the opposition instead of just cheering him on. Beta uprising and all that.
>> No. 13209 Anonymous
13th August 2017
Sunday 2:24 pm
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-40914748
>The members of the "new-right" are being unfairly branded as "Nazis and fascists", she said in Charlottesville ahead of the rally. "We stand in confidence in our convictions, irrespective of what others think of that. And I absolutely believe that we have been misrepresented."
>"The heat here is nothing compared to what you're going to get in the ovens," shouted Robert Ray, a writer for the white supremacist website Daily Stormer. "It's coming," he spat.
>> No. 13210 Anonymous
13th August 2017
Sunday 2:46 pm
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>>13209
>being unfairly branded as "Nazis and fascists"

She said, surrounded by a group of men wearing German WWII style helmets.
>> No. 13212 Anonymous
13th August 2017
Sunday 2:55 pm
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>>13210
I wonder what it would take to fairly brand someone as a nazi?
>> No. 13213 Anonymous
13th August 2017
Sunday 3:02 pm
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>>13212
You don't, you just stand by and let them do it for themselves.
>> No. 13215 Anonymous
13th August 2017
Sunday 3:23 pm
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>>13210
There were Nazi flags there. You'd have thought he could have given it a quick iron first if you're trying to make an impression.

They seem to love cargo trousers and khaki shorts.
>> No. 13221 Anonymous
13th August 2017
Sunday 4:52 pm
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>>13186
>Silly really - for erecting statues for the people who lost the rebellion. One can only imagine how divided Germany would be were it not for the de-Nazification policies.

It may surprise you to know that even in Germany you can find war memorials. The issue varies from case to case (some statues are new for instance) but if people, especially outsiders, started talking about tearing down our war monuments and even committing vandalism against them my piss would boil over.

The thing is the bad blood was largely forgotten by the actual veterans. The Confederates swore an oath to their state and fought for their home, the idea of evil white slave owners is a recent idea that tends to forget the line about it being a “rich man's war and poor man's fight”. It's not only an attack on history but something that is just designed to fuck people off.
>> No. 13222 Anonymous
13th August 2017
Sunday 5:21 pm
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>>13221
Even if that's true it's irrelevant now. The post above yours is showing those marchers proudly displaying a Confederate flag alongside a Nazi one. The symbol has been intentionally appropriated in this way.
>> No. 13223 Anonymous
13th August 2017
Sunday 5:40 pm
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>>13221
>The Confederates swore an oath to their state and fought for their home, the idea of evil white slave owners is a recent idea that tends to forget the line about it being a “rich man's war and poor man's fight”

How does it? The war can be about slavery even if it was the lower classes that were sent to the slaughter. Name me a war that could fairly be described as a "rich man's fight". (That said, if you actually read about the American Civil War, you'll learn just how many rich boys signed up to fight - see William Sprague IV.)

The war had many triggers (as do all), but the underlying source was economic: the North - and, for that matter, the world - was industrialising and making redundant a way of life the South depended on. It was essentially feudal in nature, and African slaves were the foundation of that system. So, like it or not, the Confederates were fighting to maintain slavery. Their leaders were explicit about this, and added the racial element to the mix.

>Many governments have been founded upon the principle of the subordination and serfdom of certain classes of the same race; such were and are in violation of the laws of nature. Our system commits no such violation of nature’s laws. With us, all of the white race, however high or low, rich or poor, are equal in the eye of the law. Not so with the negro. Subordination is his place. He, by nature, or by the curse against Canaan, is fitted for that condition which he occupies in our system. The architect, in the construction of buildings, lays the foundation with the proper material-the granite; then comes the brick or the marble. The substratum of our society is made of the material fitted by nature for it, and by experience we know that it is best, not only for the superior, but for the inferior race, that it should be so. It is, indeed, in conformity with the ordinance of the Creator. It is not for us to inquire into the wisdom of His ordinances, or to question them. For His own purposes, He has made one race to differ from another, as He has made “one star to differ from another star in glory. The great objects of humanity are best attained when there is conformity to His laws and decrees, in the formation of governments as well as in all things else. Our confederacy is founded upon principles in strict conformity with these laws.
Vice President Alexander Stephens

>Our position is thoroughly identified with the institution of slavery - the greatest material interest of the world. Its labor supplies the product, which constitutes by far the largest and most important portions of commerce of the earth. These products are peculiar to the climate verging on the tropical regions, and by an imperious law of nature, none but the black race can bear exposure to the tropical sun. These products have become necessities of the world, and a blow at slavery is a blow at commerce and civilization.
Mississippi's Declaration of Secession

>The Confederate States may acquire new territory; and Congress shall have power to legislate and provide governments for the inhabitants of all territory belonging to the Confederate States, lying without the limits of the several Sates; and may permit them, at such times, and in such manner as it may by law provide, to form States to be admitted into the Confederacy. In all such territory the institution of negro slavery, as it now exists in the Confederate States, shall be recognized and protected be Congress and by the Territorial government; and the inhabitants of the several Confederate States and Territories shall have the right to take to such Territory any slaves lawfully held by them in any of the States or Territories of the Confederate States
The Constitution of the Confederate States

If you're still a partisan of the "Northern Aggression" nonsense myth, why don't you explain why the South fired the first shots?
>> No. 13225 Anonymous
13th August 2017
Sunday 5:41 pm
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>>13222
Fuck off, Emily Thornberry. There is no intrinsic connection made between Nazi Germany and the Confederate Battle Flag until shits like you crawl out of the woodwork and starts browbeating people about it.
>> No. 13226 Anonymous
13th August 2017
Sunday 5:46 pm
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>>13225
Calm down, you're not making sense.
>> No. 13227 Anonymous
13th August 2017
Sunday 6:00 pm
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>>13223
The rest of your post notwithstanding, don't get hung up on who fired the first shot. In 2008 Russia were clearly the aggressors despite Georgia having technically fired first.
>> No. 13228 Anonymous
13th August 2017
Sunday 6:16 pm
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>>13223
Oh fucking hell, here we go. Imagine if you had spent a little more time analysing the point of the post instead of reflexively aping the debates you see from Americans.

>So, like it or not, the Confederates were fighting to maintain slavery.

The Confederate states fought over slavery but how about we skip the theatrics where we go back and forth quoting the likes of Robert E. Lee and get to the point: These monuments are dedicated to people who died in wartime and are owed respect like the bodies of every son and daughter - a dead body is not racist. Even the Jerries can manage this distinction.

Now with the immediate reason they sprang up established, history has moved on and the monuments have taken on a historical value that shouldn't be done away with simply because that history makes people uncomfortable. The movement to protect the monuments is not even monopolised by the Alt-Right:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gXRbIdaLD4Q
>> No. 13229 Anonymous
13th August 2017
Sunday 6:40 pm
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>>13228
>Oh fucking hell, here we go. Imagine if you had spent a little more time analysing the point of the post instead of reflexively aping the debates you see from Americans.

>>13221 included an error:
>The Confederates swore an oath to their state and fought for their home, the idea of evil white slave owners is a recent idea that tends to forget the line about it being a “rich man's war and poor man's fight”. It's not only an attack on history but something that is just designed to fuck people off.

If that poster is you (and the tetchiness suggests so), you can't retrospectively decide your "point" had nothing to do with something that makes up about half of your post.

It kind of looks like you wrote something stupid and ignorant, realised you are entirely unable to defend it, and am now trying to obfuscate.
>> No. 13231 Anonymous
13th August 2017
Sunday 6:55 pm
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>>13225
'Shits' like him aren't the ones waving it beside the swastika though are they?
>> No. 13233 Anonymous
13th August 2017
Sunday 8:18 pm
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>>13229
You seem confused lad. State =/= State in this sense, ordinary soldiers on both sides of the conflict fought under the flag of their home - bringing the pronouncements of state legislators into this is largely irrelevant because we're not discussing the politics of war but the common humanity of people who fight it.

>>13231
All sides are wrong. Simple.
>> No. 13234 Anonymous
13th August 2017
Sunday 8:22 pm
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>>13233
They can't both be wrong if they're using the same symbol to mean the same thing while communicating with each other.
>> No. 13235 Anonymous
13th August 2017
Sunday 8:41 pm
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>>13233
You're an odd fellow.
>> No. 13236 Anonymous
13th August 2017
Sunday 8:51 pm
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>>13228
>These monuments are dedicated to people who died in wartime
The statue at issue isn't a memorial to the Confederate war dead. It's a statue of Robert E. Lee, which forms the centrepiece of what was until recently Robert E. Lee Park. It is no more a war memorial than the statue of Churchill in Parliament Square.
>> No. 13248 Anonymous
14th August 2017
Monday 8:06 am
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He has a Trump Pepe frog on his lapels.
>> No. 13249 Anonymous
14th August 2017
Monday 10:57 am
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>>13248 On that subject, I would like someone to tell me about how Pepe the Frog has become a symbol of racism. Like how does a cartoon frog end up being used in such a way?
>> No. 13250 Anonymous
14th August 2017
Monday 11:06 am
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>>13236

Surely it's more like having a statue of Hitler in the centre of Munich?
>> No. 13251 Anonymous
14th August 2017
Monday 11:22 am
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>>13249
Yeah you're the only person to ever ask that question so Googling it would be useless.

But to not take the piss out of you for a second I think the basic evolution goes like: feels good man > feels bad man > general symbol of social awkwardness > general symbol of awkward white men > general symbol of alt-right.
>> No. 13253 Anonymous
14th August 2017
Monday 12:31 pm
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>>13250
Quite, which is why in modern times it's rather inappropriate.
>> No. 13266 Anonymous
14th August 2017
Monday 4:38 pm
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Meanwhile, ARE JEZ picked up the spade and got digging.

>Corbyn: Trump comments on Charlottesville 'not enough'

>Mr Corbyn said that "any president... should be able to condemn" white supremacists.

>But on Monday he insisted "there is no equivalence between white supremacists trying to kill somebody in Charlottesville" and the situation in Venezuela.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-40927317
>> No. 13281 Anonymous
14th August 2017
Monday 7:57 pm
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As is often the case, Are Nige is the voice of reason.

https://twitter.com/Nigel_Farage/status/896445864398520321
>> No. 13282 Anonymous
14th August 2017
Monday 8:37 pm
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Despite the poor wording of Trumps tweet I think he has a point that the rhetoric from both sides are exacerbating the divides American society is seeing. You can't wave a sign saying that people should be killed and even physically attack people yet still claim to be the good guys. This is all feeding the cycle of violence.

Maybe I'm just a dirty centrist though, being all reasonable.

>>13236
I was clear that the cases tend to vary. The thing you need to look at is the sense of outrage in the American South that extremists have been able to tap into for their own ends.

In this way every inch can be presented as a battleground in a culture war between the traditional South and interference from the North with sides clearly drawn. It's the stereotypes at work that you saw in King of the Hill.
>> No. 13283 Anonymous
14th August 2017
Monday 9:33 pm
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>>13282
So, you're distancing yourself from the argument you previously threw in? >>13221 When you claimed that the "Confederates fought for slavery" narrative is both recent and bunk history?

You being a sensible centrist an' all.
>> No. 13284 Anonymous
14th August 2017
Monday 9:37 pm
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>>13281
The culture war is heating up. Good.

It's about time the fascists came out in the open, we can hardly shoot them deep in their lairs.
>> No. 13285 Anonymous
14th August 2017
Monday 10:06 pm
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>>13284
>we can hardly shoot them deep in their lairs.
Just like rabbits.
>> No. 13286 Anonymous
14th August 2017
Monday 10:08 pm
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>>13281

That guy going off on him is the definition of triggered.

>>13284

Calm down, Quentin. Save it for your imaginary riots.
>> No. 13287 Anonymous
14th August 2017
Monday 10:53 pm
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>>13283
I can see nothing in that post that corroborates with your assertion.
>> No. 13288 Anonymous
14th August 2017
Monday 10:55 pm
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>>13284
Whose 'we'?
>> No. 13289 Anonymous
14th August 2017
Monday 11:04 pm
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>>13287
>The Confederates an oath to their state and fought for their home, the idea of evil white slave owners is a recent idea that tends to forget the line about it being a “rich man's war and poor man's fight”. It's not only an attack on history but something that is just designed to fuck people off.

Is my assertion corroborated?
>> No. 13290 Anonymous
14th August 2017
Monday 11:11 pm
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>>13289
Not at all. It ties very well into my observation that the fiasco around confederate monuments has people angry and that anger is being exploited.
>> No. 13292 Anonymous
14th August 2017
Monday 11:51 pm
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>>13290

You're being a cock.

>the idea of evil white slave owners is a recent idea
No, it isn't. Look at Union propaganda from the time.

>that tends to forget the line about it being a “rich man's war and poor man's fight”
Again, name me a war that can be described as rich man's fight. (Nor, for that matter, do the class inequities of conscription prevent a war being about the right of some men to own other men.)

>It's not only an attack on history but something that is just designed to fuck people off.
What does this mean other than what it says? Basically, you're saying - or you've said and not realised - it's an attack on history to frame the war as one fought against "evil white slave owners"? Well, 1) as you can now see, it was framed like that at the time, and 2) slave owners are evil, there's no other way of talking about them, and 3) the Confederacy was fighting to, among other things but primarily, maintain slavery.

You're trying to pitch yourself as some stolid pillar of the centre ground, and that doesn't quite fit with the radically ahistorical bias underlying your posts.
>> No. 13294 Anonymous
15th August 2017
Tuesday 12:21 am
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>>13292
>Look at Union propaganda from the time.

Union propaganda is irrelevant to the reasons confederate soldiers fought, by definition if a propaganda cartoon makes the other side choose to fight it has failed. I'm not sure what you are stuck on here, perhaps you're just pig-ignorant of the myriad reasons someone might volunteer to fight in a war or that someone might attach another significance to their father corpse.

>Again, name me a war that can be described as rich man's fight. (Nor, for that matter, do the class inequities of conscription prevent a war being about the right of some men to own other men.)

The description “rich man's war and poor man's fight” does not necessarily entail that only rich men should fight (much as arguments are often made in this sense). It refers to the criticism that the rich can avoid fighting through their wealth as happened in the civil war.

Again though you seem stuck on the concept that political aims of the war don't translate into why people on the ground fight.
>> No. 13295 Anonymous
15th August 2017
Tuesday 1:01 am
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>>13294
Just come out and say you hate black people.
>> No. 13300 Anonymous
15th August 2017
Tuesday 2:09 pm
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>>13295
Who doesn't.
>> No. 13302 Anonymous
15th August 2017
Tuesday 4:14 pm
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They should tear down the statues of America's founding fathers. They were also evil slave owners, after all.
>> No. 13303 Anonymous
15th August 2017
Tuesday 5:00 pm
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>>13302
Nice whataboutery there, lad.
>> No. 13304 Anonymous
15th August 2017
Tuesday 5:08 pm
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>>13303

It's just logical consistency m78.
>> No. 13305 Anonymous
15th August 2017
Tuesday 5:35 pm
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>>13304
2/10 SEE ME
>> No. 13311 Anonymous
17th August 2017
Thursday 7:08 pm
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Typical bloody muslamics. They can't be out of the limelight for more than five minutes without having a hissy fit.

Someone steals their thunder by driving a vehicle into a crowd of people in America so they've got to go and do the same in Spain.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-40965581

Bloody drama queens. They've got to be the centre of attention.
>> No. 13313 Anonymous
17th August 2017
Thursday 7:52 pm
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>>13311
Savage Moors were brought over to fight in Franco's rebellion: they pillaged, tortured and murdered their way across southern Spain. There are Catalans who have vivid memories of this terrible episode (and the scars to prove it), and now they have to deal with cunts like this.
>> No. 13344 Anonymous
20th August 2017
Sunday 7:44 am
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Is there a chance all this angry shouting is going to cross over here?
>> No. 13345 Anonymous
20th August 2017
Sunday 8:49 am
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>>13344
Black lives matter or white supremacists?

You've got to remember it's double standards. Trump can't pander to white movements but Obama was given a free pass to pander to the racists in Black Lives Matter and occasions like the chimp out in Ferguson after Michael Brown was shot for attacking a police officer.
>> No. 13346 Anonymous
20th August 2017
Sunday 10:15 am
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>>13345
Alright that's it. I'm drawing a line in the sand here. I'm not going to let .gs turn into another imageboard where it's just OK to be casually white supremacist because it's funny or freeze peach or whatever. It's just not fucking cricket, OK?
>> No. 13348 Anonymous
20th August 2017
Sunday 10:39 am
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>>13346
Is it really a white supremacist position to say that both sides are cunts, although only one really gets called out for it?
>> No. 13349 Anonymous
20th August 2017
Sunday 11:06 am
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>>13348
Not him, but yes, it's a false equivalence.
>> No. 13350 Anonymous
20th August 2017
Sunday 11:19 am
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>>13349
How so?
>> No. 13351 Anonymous
20th August 2017
Sunday 11:35 am
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>>13350
Neither of them, but:
1) One side fights for equality, the other for supremacy.
2) The leadership of one deplores violence, whereas the whole point of fascism has been, and will always be, violent means toward violent ends.
3) Obama, as much as I dislike him, never "pandered" to racists - ever. Find me one example of him doing so.
4) Phrases like "chimp out" belong in the darkest recesses of the other place, and you don't get to take claim the apparently sacred (to you), sane "middle ground" if you do use such expressions.
>> No. 13352 Anonymous
20th August 2017
Sunday 11:56 am
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>>13345
You're an actual dick. Have you ever even visited the US?
>> No. 13353 Anonymous
20th August 2017
Sunday 12:20 pm
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>>13352
Does Disney World count?
>> No. 13354 Anonymous
20th August 2017
Sunday 12:55 pm
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>>13346
I can agree with >>13345 getting a ban for using 'chimp out' but if you think casually censoring people for holding a radically different viewpoint is okay then maybe imageboards aren't the place for you.

What I think you're missing is that posts should be eloquent and not resort to the kinds of language you see on 4chan. That simple rule is enough to keep barbarians at bay while still allowing for discussions to run their own course. It is the simple difference between having rules in place to ensure quality and enforcing political orthodoxy. Or to continue your Sancho Panza impression 'don't throw the baby out with the bathwater'.

>>13351
>>13344 here, I think it is fair to call people on both sides massive cunts (to a greater or lesser degree) and we should be honest that they both feed on one-another.

The image I posted actually shows the reality of what went on in Boston where a free speech rally unrelated to Virginia (Boston is in the North) was labelled as white supremacist by the media to whip up outrage when the reality was more generic. It says something that an Indian speaker has racist abused hurled at him by anti-racist protesters.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7QToJYeKD1I
(his speech is here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q9X2ZRB9GCU)

It's really a wonder nobody has been shot so far. This is why I don't want it to cross over because it is so toxic that normal people are pushed to extremes because they find one side or another is shouting at them.
>> No. 13355 Anonymous
20th August 2017
Sunday 1:03 pm
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>>13354
Chimp out gets infrequently used here. Maybe less so than "ape-like fists", but this place has always had an element of jovial casual racism. Bongo enricher. Spear chucker. You get the picture. Tongue in cheek stuff. Mud in their blood. Shit on their skin.

>This is why I don't want it to cross over because it is so toxic that normal people are pushed to extremes because they find one side or another is shouting at them.

I believe it's already happened. It's part of the reason why Brexit won. The likes of Britain First and Are Nige were happy to welcome with open arms, whilst dragging them further to the right by slowly drip-feeding their rhetoric to them, people who'd been branded racist by "the regressive left" for having any concerns over immigration.
>> No. 13356 Anonymous
20th August 2017
Sunday 1:28 pm
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My so-left-it-hurts mate is pissed off with me because I said these weren't neo nazis or white supremacists, just fat retards who took memes too seriously.

What are your thought? My mate thinks I'm trying to excuse them somehow. I find it painful to watch someone treating them like the KKK.
>> No. 13357 Anonymous
20th August 2017
Sunday 2:01 pm
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>>13354
>a free speech rally unrelated to Virginia (Boston is in the North) was labelled as white supremacist by the media to whip up outrage
If you say so, m7.
>> No. 13358 Anonymous
20th August 2017
Sunday 2:39 pm
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>>13356
>just fat retards who took memes too seriously

I agree with the gist of what you're saying - the problem as I see it, is that a lot of chan culture normalises extreme right wing behaviour and gives those people a home to explore those views and the arguments that go with them. It is pitiful to me that we see the same talking points and arguments rehashed over and over, particularly around SJW and BLM - there is a lot of the same old groupthink, on both sides. Some of this is because people want to belong to a tribe, and if you're a lonely fat retard sitting at home in front of a computer, who hardly leaves the house, that sense of belonging and camaraderie is very powerful. See also ISIS.

Whatever happened to people thinking independently? Where is the original thought coming from?
>> No. 13359 Anonymous
20th August 2017
Sunday 2:54 pm
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>>13358
>groupthink
I don't think that means what you think it means.

>on both sides
We've been through this before, lad. Stop that.
>> No. 13360 Anonymous
20th August 2017
Sunday 3:00 pm
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>>13357
Lad. Don't fall for fake news.

>Tens of thousands of anti-racism protesters opposed a far-right "Free Speech" rally in the US city of Boston on Saturday.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/world-us-canada-40990834/boston-demonstrations-how-the-day-unfolded

Nothing says far right extremism like an Indian bloke speaking in front of placards about education, Black Lives Matter and against Monsanto.
>> No. 13361 Anonymous
20th August 2017
Sunday 3:11 pm
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>>13360
>Nothing says far right extremism like an Indian bloke speaking in front of placards about education, Black Lives Matter and against Monsanto.
Nothing says far right apology like appropriating a discredited Indian bloke speaking in front of placards about education, Black Lives Matter and against Monsanto as if he was a part of the same cause.
>> No. 13362 Anonymous
20th August 2017
Sunday 4:45 pm
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>>13357
I've literally posted both pictorial and video evidence of what really went on.

>>13358
>Whatever happened to people thinking independently? Where is the original thought coming from?

I think these things only come later in life when experience has given you the self-confidence and grit to hold your own views. The thing I have to remind myself when I see these activists is how young some of them really are and how the older ones are obvious losers who just never grew up.

France24 interviewed a punk who called himself 'Frosty' today and while he recited his memorised script like he was in a movie I couldn't help but be reminded of SLC Punk! It's like Momentum I suppose.

>>13361
What cause would this be then you fucking idiot because it looked to me like he was talking about free speech while fronting his own (Republican supported) run for Senator. Maybe the hooded men who prowl the streets of Boston managed got a rope around this immigrant and dragged him to the podium?
>> No. 13363 Anonymous
20th August 2017
Sunday 5:12 pm
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>>13362
>because it looked to me like he was talking about free speech while fronting his own (Republican supported) run for Senator
The US has some of the strongest protections for free speech anywhere in the world. Any protest for "free speech" in the US is almost certainly a front for something else. He looks like he's a token minority invited so the organisers can say "We're not racist, we've got a brown speaker!" particularly since his Senate bid is very obviously not going anywhere.
>> No. 13364 Anonymous
20th August 2017
Sunday 6:01 pm
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>>13355
>this place has always had an element of jovial casual racism. Bongo enricher. Spear chucker. You get the picture. Tongue in cheek stuff. Mud in their blood. Shit on their skin.

I know, I've done that myself. But >>13345 is evidently not being tongue in cheek, or trying to take the piss out of the likes of Simon and Nige. When I read his post I felt chills. Not because it's something we haven't seen before; it's because in the context of recent events and the current climate, imageboard fascists aren't something you can take lightly anymore. He could easily have been one of those cunts marching in Virginia. Why should we allow scum like that to sully our doorstep? Why do we apply rigorous standards when it comes to grammar and reaction images, but not genuinely believing non-whites are subhuman? You genuinely wouldn't ban Hitler from posting about der Juden on 1930s .gs? There's something wrong there. Anyway I won't say more about it given the mod team is prepared to give them a platform.
>> No. 13365 Anonymous
20th August 2017
Sunday 6:07 pm
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>>13364
Is this post serious? Is it actually serious?
>> No. 13366 Anonymous
20th August 2017
Sunday 6:31 pm
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>>13364
I think you're overreacting to a relatively moderate post.
>> No. 13367 Anonymous
20th August 2017
Sunday 6:35 pm
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>>13363
>The US has some of the strongest protections for free speech anywhere in the world. Any protest for "free speech" in the US is almost certainly a front for something else.

That's an awful big leap you're making there for someone not providing a shred of evidence. Maybe Americans have some of the biggest protections of free speech precisely because so many people are willing to defend it and who might even dare to want more.

What's wrong with him anyway, are you struggling to get your head around why a minority might have the autonomy to take an opposing political position, even one as apparently dangerous as the right to free speech? Maybe the real problem is people like you whose frankly childish viewpoint leads you to harassing ordinary people who want to be left alone.

>>13364
>Anyway I won't say more about it given the mod team is prepared to give them a platform.

Maybe you should leave and find somewhere more accommodating to your feelings. Can't have all those mean sentences corrupting your mind can we?
>> No. 13368 Anonymous
20th August 2017
Sunday 7:16 pm
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>>13364
>Anyway I won't say more about it given the mod team is prepared to give them a platform.

The mods aren't here to police peoples views or remove things that you might find gravely offensive. They're to remove illegal, spammy or repetitive content and stop us all getting locked up. Please don't bait them like that.
>> No. 13369 Anonymous
20th August 2017
Sunday 7:17 pm
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Will PREVENT stop young white men getting radicalised? It will be nice to see a white six year old being questioned by the police and MI5 for a change.
>> No. 13370 Anonymous
20th August 2017
Sunday 7:59 pm
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>>13367
>people like you whose frankly childish viewpoint
Says Mr They-Can't-Be-Racist-Because-They-Invited-A-Brown-Guy-To-Speak.
>> No. 13372 Anonymous
20th August 2017
Sunday 9:59 pm
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>>13370
You leave those strawmen alone. I'm sure we're all well aware that you have written him off as the Indian equivalent of an Uncle Tom but you'll have to somehow justify this attack on his character and that of the organisers with evidence.
>> No. 13373 Anonymous
20th August 2017
Sunday 10:05 pm
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>>13372
>you'll have to somehow justify this attack on his character
I don't think so, mate. If you can't be bothered to put his name into Google, I can't be bothered to risk us getting sued for millions of dollars like anyone else that dares provide the details.
>> No. 13374 Anonymous
20th August 2017
Sunday 10:29 pm
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>>13373
Uh-huh, so you've got nothing.
>> No. 13375 Anonymous
20th August 2017
Sunday 10:36 pm
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>>13374
How's that googling going, lad?
>> No. 13376 Anonymous
21st August 2017
Monday 2:29 am
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"I can only say that while I have considered the preservation of the constitutional power of the General Government to be the foundation of our peace and safety at home and abroad, I yet believe that the maintenance of the rights and authority reserved to the states and to the people, not only essential to the adjustment and balance of the general system, but the safeguard to the continuance of a free government. I consider it as the chief source of stability to our political system, whereas the consolidation of the states into one vast republic, sure to be aggressive abroad and despotic at home, will be the certain precursor of that ruin which has overwhelmed all those that have preceded it. I need not refer one so well acquainted as you are with American history, to the State papers of Washington and Jefferson, the representatives of the federal and democratic parties, denouncing consolidation and centralization of power, as tending to the subversion of State Governments, and to despotism.

- Bobby Lee in 1866 in response to a letter from Lord Acton

What do you lads make of this? Is there an argument to be made in support of States' Rights in spite of all the evil slave owning stuff?
>> No. 13377 Anonymous
21st August 2017
Monday 3:45 am
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>>13368
>They're to remove illegal content
You do realise incitement to racial hatred is indeed illegal in this country?
>> No. 13381 Anonymous
21st August 2017
Monday 4:09 am
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>>13377
Of course I do, more than you might realise.
>> No. 13384 Anonymous
21st August 2017
Monday 8:32 am
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>>13376

> Is there an argument to be made in support of States' Rights in spite of all the evil slave owning stuff?

Certainly, and we've been seeing it in action since. While I believe there's some merit to be had for federal law, the US is far too large and diverse — ethnically, politically, and otherwise — for all laws and regulations to be enforced from D.C.

While it was certainly one of the catalysts for the Confederacy to rebel against the Union, a lot of leading figures were actually neutral or unspoken on the matter of slavery (obviously not the same as being vocally pro-abolition but certainly not as dichotomous as these acrobatite armchair historians will have you believe.) Piss-poor factions of the US now stereotyped as being overly racist, uneducated, or otherwise apprehensive of "progression" would've been much better off under the proposed devolved system, not least of which the Native Americans who were and have been absolutely fucked by the Union's centralised power structure.

There's no telling for sure if a devolved system would've even survived until the present day and what the ramifications would have been on the development of a First Nation or the American empire but all evidence suggests it would've been a largely fairer system, even if slavery did last a couple more decades until international pressure forced abolition.

tl;dr: Nobody knows for sure. Fuck the "union gud, confeder8 evil" rhetoric. They're both a bunch of bastards in their own right.
>> No. 13385 Anonymous
21st August 2017
Monday 9:03 am
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>>13376
>Is there an argument to be made in support of States' Rights in spite of all the evil slave owning stuff?
In the historical context, not really. Anything reasonable is already guaranteed by the Constitution, and the instances where it had been asserted basically came down to slavery and discrimination. In modern discourse, it comes into play with issues such as drug policy, where you have states that are allowing cannabis to be prescribed or openly sold and the DEA going after people for it because it's still illegal under federal law.

>>13384
Nice revisionism, m7.
>> No. 13386 Anonymous
21st August 2017
Monday 9:49 am
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Can't believe Amerifats are still whinging about a war from 150 years ago. It's should make about as much sense as trying to start shit with a Pole because "they" were on Napoleon's side.
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