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>> No. 13961 Anonymous
12th November 2017
Sunday 12:15 pm
13961 Gove: Dunno, lol
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/nov/12/michael-gove-jailed-briton-iran-nazanin-zaghari-

>Michael Gove has risked inflaming the situation of a British mother imprisoned in Iran by saying that he does not know what she was doing in the country, in contradiction of the government’s official position that she was there on holiday.

>The environment secretary’s comments on the plight of Nazanin Zaghari-Ratcliffe follow outrage from her family earlier this week after Boris Johnson said she was in Tehran training journalists. The remarks were seized upon by the Iranian state media as a “confession” and are believed to have left her facing an additional five years in prison.

>Zaghari-Ratcliffe’s family have already said that Boris Johnson’s comments were inaccurate and place her at further risk. Her employers say she had not taken part in the training of journalists.

How do you get from stabbing Johnson right between the shoulders, to selling out a British citizen in Iranian prison to cover for him? Being a Tory minister must be hard.
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>> No. 13962 Anonymous
12th November 2017
Sunday 12:43 pm
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It would be the right thing to say if he hadn't been briefed, but that's unlikely, isn't it?
>> No. 13963 Anonymous
12th November 2017
Sunday 12:52 pm
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It's funny because the one time our politicians manage to tell the truth is the time we're counting on them not to.

Holiday my arse.
>> No. 13969 Anonymous
12th November 2017
Sunday 1:28 pm
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The full quote:

"I don't know. One of the things I want to stress is that there is no reason why Nahaznin Zaghari-Ratcliffe should be in prison in Iran, so far as any of us know. No evidence has been produced which suggests that she should be detained. We know that the Iranian regime is capable of abusing the human rights of its own citizens; it appears here to be harming the human rights of someone whose plight necessarily moves us all."

Zaghari-Ratcliffe may well have been training journalists. There's no reason why Gove or anyone else in government would know for sure. If we stick to the line that she was just an innocent tourist, then she's completely fucked if the Iranians trot out some evidence against her. The fundamental issue is that the Iranians shouldn't be locking people up for training journalists, regardless of whether Zaghari-Ratcliffe is "guilty" or not.

The Guardian have disgraced themselves by publishing a transparent hit piece as their lead story. I'm no cheerleader for Gove, I think his behaviour over Brexit has been shameful, but in this instance his comments are thoughtful and reasonable.
>> No. 13970 Anonymous
12th November 2017
Sunday 3:27 pm
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>>13969
>There's no reason why Gove or anyone else in government would know for sure.

A minister, yes, but the government? The Home Office doesn't keep tabs on those travelling to Iran?

If the government says one thing, and two of its ministers say two completely different things, it's incompetence, either generally or in an attempted cover-up. You can't expect the environment secretary to usually be kept up to date on individual cases, but it's now become a diplomatic incident, and he should have been told the details.
>> No. 13971 Anonymous
12th November 2017
Sunday 3:30 pm
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I see no issue with Gove's statement.

There's definitely more to this than meets the eye. Her British citizenship in this instance is secondary to her Iranian one; she used her Iranian passport to enter the country. She'd have to be pretty naïve not to know what the Iranian regime was like and how being a Reuters employee and activist could put her at risk.
>> No. 13972 Anonymous
12th November 2017
Sunday 5:13 pm
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>>13970

The Home Office will keep an eye on people travelling to Iran, but the intelligence services have fairly limited resources within the country. If they did have information on Zaghari-Ratcliffe, there's a very good chance that they'd keep it to themselves to protect their sources. It might be utterly cynical, but the freedom of one journalist is worth much less than a good intelligence source in Iran. The government's official position is that she was on holiday, but I very much doubt that their position is based on hard evidence.
>> No. 13973 Anonymous
12th November 2017
Sunday 6:21 pm
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Why was the Secretary of State for Environment asked about foreign policy (or whatever this falls under)? Surely if an individual is asked a question outside of their expertise, they can only ever give an opinion?
>> No. 13974 Anonymous
12th November 2017
Sunday 6:49 pm
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>>13969
It's the classic negro-lynching whataboutery. "Yes, the Foreign Secretary might have put his foot in it, but those Iranian human rights abuses, eh?"

It's Sunday morning telly. He would have known that he was going to be asked about this. It's no different than random ministers having to defend the entire government programme on QT.
>> No. 13975 Anonymous
12th November 2017
Sunday 9:02 pm
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>>13969
>There's no reason why Gove or anyone else in government would know for sure

Then his response should be "we have absolutely no reason to believe she was in the country to train journalists".
>> No. 13976 Anonymous
13th November 2017
Monday 12:57 am
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She was training journalists and they all know it.
>> No. 13978 Anonymous
13th November 2017
Monday 1:10 am
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>"follow outrage from her family earlier this week after Boris Johnson said she was in Tehran training journalists".

Surely the story here should be Boris throwing her to the wolves. I don't see why there should be any focus on Gove at all.
>> No. 13982 Anonymous
13th November 2017
Monday 6:39 pm
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>>13978
He had the opportunity to condemn Boris for throwing her under the bus. Instead he more or less reversed the bus back over her by signalling doubt over her story. He clearly wants to keep things sweet for when Boris becomes PM.
>> No. 13983 Anonymous
13th November 2017
Monday 7:54 pm
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>>13978

It just didn't occur to me to make a thread at that point, for whatever reason. I was less distracted at noon on Sunday.
>> No. 13985 Anonymous
13th November 2017
Monday 9:39 pm
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>>13982
Why are you using that yank acrobat expression?
>> No. 13986 Anonymous
13th November 2017
Monday 9:47 pm
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>>13985
Don't you have a swarm of filthy immigrants to stop somewhere?
>> No. 13987 Anonymous
13th November 2017
Monday 10:11 pm
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>>13986
Why does a distaste for Americanisms make me a racist?
>> No. 13988 Anonymous
13th November 2017
Monday 10:24 pm
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>>13987
That's like Savile asking "What's wrong with a bit of anal?"
>> No. 13989 Anonymous
13th November 2017
Monday 10:46 pm
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>>13988
You continue to demonstrate you have no idea what you're talking about.
>> No. 13990 Anonymous
13th November 2017
Monday 11:17 pm
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>>13989
I don't take orders from you, m7.

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