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|>>|| No. 21041
Lads are you worried about the coronavirus?
I've purposely not read up about it. Mainly because the SARS, Swine Flu, Bird Flu and Ebola threat was over-hyped by the media. Prediction wise, I think after several months it will be contained and everyone will eventually forget about it.
What do you think?
|>>|| No. 21042
Dividing the death count in China by the confirmed cases count gives a mortality rate of 3%. Big deal.
|>>|| No. 21044
No, I'm not worried. Public health agencies are employing the precautionary principle because we don't properly understand the virus yet. It's overwhelmingly likely that coronavirus will be a damp squib, but acting on that assumption is a dangerous gamble. You put your seatbelt on even though you're not expecting to crash.
|>>|| No. 21045
The death count we have no idea about because China is intentionally covering up and fudging the numbers. We have no idea of the scale of it in reality because of this and it's what the WHO has been struggling with on whether or not to declare an emergency. 3 cities have been quarantined, that's over 20 million already, people are collapsing in the street and hospitals are already struggling. China pretending nothing is happening is the real danger here, all news coming from locals are saying it's much worse than is being said.
|>>|| No. 21048
If you look at what China is actually doing, vs what they are saying, the situation looks slightly worse than they are letting on.
They say 830 cases, 26 dead. In action, they've quarantined 13 cities/36 million people, and they're knocking up hospitals in 5 days to deal with the sick. Not like they've got a history of covering stuff up.
|>>|| No. 21052
26 deaths out of 1.4 billion people is still fuck all though, even if that number is massively understated. As mentioned in >>21044, the fact that they're acting decisively doesn't mean that they think that coronavirus is particularly dangerous, just that they're responding cautiously to the scientific uncertainty.
|>>|| No. 21056
Heads up, two cases have been confirmed in France. Best hope it's just the sniffles.
|>>|| No. 21061
AliExpress is showing some pretty big discounts at the moment. Sorry, lads.
I'm sick of this. The WHO has confirmed that China has been entirely open and transparent about the epidemic which is partly why Coronavirus hasn't been declared an international public health emergency unlike Ebola.
Next you'll share that conspiracy theory that has immediately sprung up that a germ warfare lab in Wuhan caused the outbreak and that the same cities on lock-down have labs.
>The new virus, according to World Health Organization (WHO) scientists, has a reproductive rate of as high as 2.5, meaning each infected individual on average infects as many as 2.5 more people. That might not seem so bad when an epidemic of four people expands after a few days to 14 more cases, but when 500 cases swells to 1,750, things get serious. On Jan. 3, China officially reported 44 cases of Wuhan pneumonia; two weeks later the toll jumped to 198 cases; on the morning of Jan. 21 the government said 444 patients in Wuhan’s surrounding province of Hubei were confirmed as infected by the virus. By Jan. 23, the situation was unfolding so rapidly that WHO said at midday in the eastern United States that a total of 575 cases were confirmed in mainland China, then the Chinese government issued a new total of 644 an hour later, and by the next day the tally hit 830 cases with 26 deaths.
The article goes on to point out that; Wuhan is the transit hub of China with the high-speed rail in walking distance of the animal market the virus spread from and that China failed to stop 300,000 people fleeing the city. Of course, you can only get it from contact so only touchy people with weakened immune systems will die in Europe but if it hits Africa then SHTF.
|>>|| No. 21063
Microlad here. This one's nothing to worry about. It'll end up overrated and dissapointing just like its cousins MERS and SARS.
I had my hopes up for ebola for a while but I don't think we're going to have a decent epidemic any time soon. People are just too bastard hygienic nowadays.
Had a midwife phone up panicking about zika the other day. Remember that one?
|>>|| No. 21064
>The WHO has confirmed
They've said "for now" and that it "may become one". They don't have enough data as of yet because of shit like this: https://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/22/health/virus-corona.html
>It is censoring criticism. It is detaining people for spreading what it calls “rumors.” It is suppressing information it deems alarming.
How open and transparent of them.
|>>|| No. 21066
I'm not big on conspiracies, even 9/11 seems like a pretty clear cut case of incompetence to me. As does this virus, only the 7th of its type in recorded medical history right on the doorstep of a lab that was working on ahem, the coronavirus? Come on lad. Some Chinky cunt forgot to wash his hands on the way to the rice bar, that much is obvious. Or are we supposed to believe it's bats again?
If this wild conspiracy theory that a microbiology lab housing a rare virus that happened to appear in the same city as said microbiology lab is so obviously false why don't you go ahead and debunk it for the class? Using snarky smug cunt language as in the quoted post will result in a maximum score of 3/10.
|>>|| No. 21072
>Next you'll share that conspiracy theory that has immediately sprung up that a germ warfare lab in Wuhan caused the outbreak and that the same cities on lock-down have labs.
I thought it was because of Chinks eating koalas or snakes or something like that?
|>>|| No. 21078
>Some Chinky cunt forgot to wash his hands on the way to the rice bar
The biggest shock for me was hearing it's not normal to wash your hands in China, even among medical staff.
|>>|| No. 21084
> Had a midwife phone up panicking about zika the other day. Remember that one?
Zika and Chikungunya are both very much still active in Brazil, as is Dengue and now Yellow Fever. Global spread seems to be low as most tourists (not that Brazil deserves any) probably aren't going anywhere where they're going to get bitten by the right kind of mosquito.
Sage for rambling over a pest-spread virus when this virus is spread person to person.
Missus asked if I wanted Chinese tonight, told her to get fucked and order a curry. Fucks sake.
|>>|| No. 21085
I work in airports and see and even go quite near people returning from China every day. I suppose I'll act as the .gs canary, I'll let you know when the hazsuits come for me.
|>>|| No. 21086
There are stories coming out about the swarms of people trying to get spaces in hospitals and people collapsing on the streets, but I would comfortably bet that only a tiny fraction of these people actually have the corona virus, the majority probably have a simple flu and are succumbing to hysteria.
|>>|| No. 21087
I, for one, collapse in the streets all the time when there's an epidemic on. You should have seen me during Live Aid, I was crawling through the streets pretending to be starving, nobody bought my story that my massive gut was the result of kwashiorkor.
|>>|| No. 21089
>whether or not certain places on the planet tend to have people with healthier immune systems?
Careful lad, next you'll be inquiring as to whether some groups of people are naturally more predisposed to commit violent crime, rather than being influenced purely by economic factors.
|>>|| No. 21091
>I find this act distasteful therefore it must have caused the plague
Has anyone suggested why it might be bats or are we just doing the modern day equivalent of blaming the gays for earthquakes?
|>>|| No. 21093
Coronaviruses jump from animals to people. It's almost certainly something they've eaten, so flying rats is one of the main suspects at the moment.
|>>|| No. 21094
Yes. Do you remembers MERS? As >>21093 said, it jumps from animals to people. SARS also came from bats. Bats (as well as birds) are a reservoir species for viruses of this ilk. I don't think it's confirmed yet, but it's incredibly likely and with good reason.
|>>|| No. 21095
Having a resistance to diseases is the most obvious evolutionary trait there is. Not dying when everyone else around you is tends to mean your genes pass on and theirs don't. It is the only instance I can think where a gene would become entirely dominant in a species within a generation. It does of course require diseases to take their natural course and kill millions of people so it isn't really a relevant mechanism in 21st century society.
|>>|| No. 21096
>>I find this act distasteful
As far as something can be objectively distaseful I believe this might literally be it, it's covered in fur and skin and looks like it was boiled. I'm not really sure it was meant to be eaten, and if it was well god help anyone with a palate like that. Probably just included for mystical medicinal powers or some bullshit.
|>>|| No. 21100
I just looked these up, and they were outbreaks of the plague and cholera - which are obviously not virus-borne.
Dunno why I'm the first to mention it, maybe I'm too much of a pedant, or maybe everyone else was ignoring 'bait', I dunno.
|>>|| No. 21101
I crossed the street when I saw a Chinese lad walking towards me today.
Is it a bit over the top?
|>>|| No. 21103
>Is it a bit over the top?
It might be a good idea though to avoid international flights at the moment, of course especially to and from Asia. If movies like Twelve Monkeys or World War Z have taught us anything, then long-haul flights are a significant carrier mechanism for these kinds of pandemics.
|>>|| No. 21107
I’m generally sanguine about these things, but this illness being such an unknown and emerging in a place as vast and busy as China is giving me a distinct sense of unease. Even if it only has a mortality percentage in the the single digits it be really rather awful.
|>>|| No. 21108
I agree, if China had been more honest with everybody as to what's been going on it probably wouldn't seem as bad as it does, but even now nobody has all the data they need on this. The death toll is now at 106 too, but it's seeming like it could just be the usual high risk age ranges, young children and the elderly.
|>>|| No. 21111
This is it then. Last post of the internet lads.
I feel a great sadness. If there's an apoco on I'll make sure to use the phrase I, for one, ... if I ever have to mug anyone for food. Here's hoping we never meet lads.
|>>|| No. 21113
Potential fear mongering? The tale you share has happened near enough 100 times in the UK by now and all the tests came back negative.
|>>|| No. 21118
>A German man who contracted coronavirus from a Chinese work colleague is thought to be the first person in Europe to catch the disease via human transmission, health officials have said.
>The 33-year-old infected man has not been to China or Wuhan - the city where the strain first emerged in December - but had been in contact with a Chinese colleague at a work training session who later became unwell and tested positive for the virus. Speaking at a press conference, Bavarian State head of health and food safety, Andreas Zapf, said the co-worker was a woman from Shanghai who “started to feel sick” on a fight home on January 23. Her parents from the Wuhan region had visited her a few days before her trip.
>The German man had attended a training session given by his Chinese colleague on January 21 at the office of a car parts supplier Webasto in Stockdorf in Bavaria. He tested positive for the virus, which has an incubation period of one to 14 days, on Monday evening. Webasto confirmed that both the visiting colleague and the infected German man were employees of the company.
|>>|| No. 21119
Virus apocalypse might not be too bad for the survivors. True there is the risk of the infection for a long time afterwards, and the logistics of burning the corpses. But the infrastructure remains nearly wholly intact. Resources might actually be bountiful.
|>>|| No. 21120
The Great Plague in mediaeval Europe led to a prolonged period of prosperity among the survivors. Because it wiped out nearly 50 percent of the population indiscriminately, the survivors inherited sometimes massive wealth in land, livestock, and other assets from their dead family members. It is thought that cultural movements like the Renaissance also greatly benefited from the fact that there was much more personal wealth available to aristocrats and the upper classes to commission the kind of elaborate works of art that the 16th Century is famous for still today.
It's even speculated that the reduced use of land for farming, because fewer people needed food to eat, and the subsequent regrowth of forests on it contributed to the Little Ice Age.
|>>|| No. 21157
Couldn't give a fuck about that tbh, but I'm furious that China Post is shut until the 10th.
|>>|| No. 21158
How can eight cases of human-to-human transmission make a global emergency? Does the lad own pharma stock or something?
|>>|| No. 21165
The alarming thing is that it's legitimately airborne. Not just shitty old droplet aerosolisation airborne, but legit contagious survives on its own airborne.
So no it isn't massive and it isn't actually all that deadly, the trouble is it could spread like wildfire if we don't act immediately to shut it down.
|>>|| No. 21166
I'm slightly worried for my elderly parents, who are increasingly frail as it is. I've suggested they avoid public spaces with large crowds of people for the time being.
|>>|| No. 21172
It's a bit early for that really. And besides, elderly people tend to be more likely to catch a virus from family members rather than the general public.
|>>|| No. 21179
Chinese tourists in York. No mention of whether they've been anywhere else in the country.
|>>|| No. 21188
My social media has been circulating pictures of a Chinese woman in Pontefract wearing a mask.
|>>|| No. 21189
Didn't this comic originally say 'someone in Brazil is coughing' or something? Which is far more relevant for a real pandemic.
|>>|| No. 21190
Asian people wear masks when they have a cold, or they think someone else has a cold, or it's a bit cold out.
It's hardly panicworthy.
|>>|| No. 21202
This should be standard practice for everybody, honestly. I was at a bus stop recently and the woman behind me was obviously in a rush and too eager about the bus arriving, but she kept having a coughing fit without covering her fucking mouth once. On top of that, every time I took a step forward to get some distance, she'd step closer again and cough right next to me. The self awareness of some pricks, I swear.
|>>|| No. 21209
Yeah I just saved the wrong one because the JPG was too shit for me to realise. I knew you lot would get the gist though.
|>>|| No. 21229
> On top of that, every time I took a step forward to get some distance, she'd step closer again and cough right next to me. The self awareness of some pricks, I swear.
I had someone in a queue behind me the other day who was devouring a Mars bar, there was no other way to put it, and she made sure that everybody was hearing her eating noises. She also wasn't minding her personal space, or mine really, and started literally breathing down my neck with her chocolate and rotten teeth breath.
|>>|| No. 21248
Did you take a casual step backwards, like a little shuffle of your current position? If it's on the tube I'll make every effort to minimise my space, but in shops or queues then there's no reason for someone to push up on you and if they do, try and remember 'this person's a twat' and don't give ground, take it back.
If you get any blowback or they ask you to move, have your reasoning prepared. if you've got big balls, speak loud enough for other people to hear. You know you're in the right, and others will know that too. It's worth the moment of awkwardness to let someone know their social imposition is fucking annoying.
|>>|| No. 21249
>started literally breathing down my neck
I get this a lot with Indians, their idea of personal space seems to be about ½ an inch
|>>|| No. 21250
I've noticed Chinese people smell like sneeze a lot. Is this because of the masks trapping sneezes on them?
|>>|| No. 21260
Anon, I'm afraid you have Goo Brain, I'm writing you a prescription for one Brain Hardener.
|>>|| No. 21261
Mate, they do. There were enough Chinese students on my course when I was at university to know they have a lingering aroma of sneeze about them.
|>>|| No. 21273
Really hope I can get a new SSD before this hits NAND prices.
|>>|| No. 21274
I just bought my first PC in 5 years. 1/2TByte of RAM and 4TBytes of SSD. I think I've done my bit for global semiconductor sales this year.
Although I do have 4 more 2.5" SAS caddies to fill, so there's still hope.
|>>|| No. 21278
I'm going to guess audio. Either that or run a really big SQL database, but it doesn't seem like it has enough storage.
|>>|| No. 21279
I can't even find a 64GB DDR4 module, which would surely be required, unless the motherboard has 16 sticks of 32GB... maybe a server board?
|>>|| No. 21280
HP Z model workstations go up to 512GB but they cost a pretty penny. They pack Xeon processors though, so I'm going to agree with you and say they probably have motherboards you'd usually expect to find in a server.
|>>|| No. 21281
64GB RDIMMs are readily available; you can even get 128GB LRDIMMs if you really need them, but they're stupidly expensive. Most workstation motherboards have 8 RAM slots, but you'd spend the thick end of £4,000 to fill them with 64GB modules.
Even if you're working on vast projects, I can't think of any audio or video use-cases where you'd really need anywhere near that much RAM. Fast PCIe SSDs have changed the equation substantially, because the latency penalty for running out of RAM is orders of magnitude lower than on spinning rust or even SATA SSDs.
I can only imagine that OP is running tons of VMs for development work or doing some sort of scientific computing.
|>>|| No. 21282
Jesus, I ordered a second 8gb stick this evening and felt chuffed about it.
|>>|| No. 21283
>>21281 tons of VMs for development work or doing some sort of scientific computing
Both. Current box only has 128G of RAM, so this is a comfortable step up.
Yes, it's a rackmount server, I haven't had a tower PC for ages. It's not new, it's a Dell R910, so 4U and can take up to 2T of RAM. Entire thing cost me £1300, and I suspect it'll cost me more than that in electricity, so it'll be powered up only when I want it. 4 1100W PSUs and an idling power of 600W, by the look of it, I haven't measured yet.
Still, new PC always me feel like a younglad cobbling together 486 machines with not scrounged bits in razorsharp cases...
|>>|| No. 21288
It's accepted scientific theory that the HIV virus first crossed the species border between chimpanzees and humans in tropical sub-Saharan Africa, where some people actually traditionally hunted and ate chimps. The transfer mechanism may have been the handling and preparation of raw chimpanzee meat, according to this theory.
>The most commonly accepted theory is that of the 'hunter'. In this scenario, SIVcpz was transferred to humans as a result of chimps being killed and eaten, or their blood getting into cuts or wounds on people in the course of hunting. Normally, the hunter's body would have fought off SIV, but on a few occasions the virus adapted itself within its new human host and became HIV-1.
On the other hand, my social studies teacher in school, who was a proper conspiracy nut and realistically never should have been allowed to teach us about the world, maintained that the HIV virus may have been engineered in a CIA lab and deliberately spread among gays, drug addicts and hippies in the U.S. to combat the weakening of America's moral fibre in the Cold War by these groups.
|>>|| No. 21289
Getting a bit annoyed that a certain crowd is branding fears of this thing racist. It's somewhat deadlier than the flu because we have literally no immune defence against it (there's a reason it's called a novel corona virus), and about on par with SARS and MERS. There are now reports that despite unusual transparency, the Chinese authorities are still downplaying the spread of the virus.
|>>|| No. 21290
You just have to accept you can't please the mods. They think everything's racist.
|>>|| No. 21291
You may well be right - more likely though is that actual racists can’t help but show their true colours, particularly when on topics such as Brexit or coronavirus.
|>>|| No. 21292
Could be a good thing - people don't kill pangolins out of spite, they smuggle them out for 'medicine' and for food. Maybe demand will drop from them being a potential disease vector.
|>>|| No. 21293
I read an article that said reports that the disease originated in bats and snakes in the wildlife market were racist, as it implied the Chinese were somehow savage for engaging in the sale and consumption of animals not considered as food in the west.
|>>|| No. 21296
In this thread? There haven't been any. What would be the point in deleting a post without banning the poster if we were trying to cover something up? Guaranteed they'd be a massive whiner like you and not shut up about it.
|>>|| No. 21297
You say that like you don't agree with the article.
For one thing, China is a huge country and Asia a huge continent, saying 'they' eat bats and snakes is like saying the British eat frogs and snails and horses and so on. Also people still eat wild animals here e.g. rabbits. And even in our farmed food conditions are shit even with our supposed high standards, animals have to be constantly pumped with antibiotics to stop disease spreading. Remember foot and mouth? Remember mad cows? We can hardly take the fucking high ground.
|>>|| No. 21298
I don't disagree with you. I think the sensationalist reporting on bat soup, which isn't actually popular in China, was very unhelpful and rooted in orientalism. But when the health officials are saying the virus likely originated in bats, an article completely dismissing the experts as racist isn't great.
|>>|| No. 21300
That's ridiculous. Bats are the likely source, since it's been identified as a bat coronavirus + HIV. We know that both bats and snakes were being sold in the meat market in Wuhan. As a certain stopped clock likes to say, facts don't care about anyone's feelings.
As >>21297 points out, even in China cuisines are many and varied. In many parts of China they eat things we would consider unpalatable, and vice versa. Many Han Chinese would not consider dairy products because they're genetically predisposed to lactose intolerance.
Ultimately, the actual eating of the things doesn't matter, because coronavirus doesn't typically spread through carrion. Patient zero will have been someone who handled infected animals and contracted a strain that could transition to humans. We've known for centuries that environments where humans and animals are in close proximity are ideal opportunities for diseases to cross between species. What happened here was really no different than when H5N1/04 jumped from birds in Thailand, or H1N1/09 jumped from pigs in Mexico, or when cowpox crossed from cows in Europe hundreds of years ago.
|>>|| No. 21303
"Anti-racist" is just projecting their own racist prejudices on an imagined villain. Shock horror.
There are 1.4 billion people in China. If you're truly one-in-a-million, there are 1400 of you in China. Even if an infinitesimally small proportion of Chinese people eat bats, that's still a shitload of bat eating. In a country with a population greater than North America and Europe combined, inexplicably weird shit happens constantly.
Food hygiene standards in China are fucking appalling and anyone who says otherwise is a racist - the Chinese are seriously pissed off about how manky their food is and are trying to fix it, they don't need some 老外 telling them that 地沟油 is just a "cultural difference" or minimising the hundreds of babies killed by 三聚氰胺 just to score politically correct points.
Outbreaks of novel diseases are disproportionately likely to happen in China due to a mix of socioeconomic, geographic and cultural factors, but China is uniquely well-equipped to deal with disasters of this kind. No other country could possibly hope to build a 1,000-bed hospital in less than a fortnight. No other country could successfully impose a quarantine curfew on 30-odd million people. China is weird, China is brilliant, China is a dream and a nightmare, China is utterly exceptional in every possible way.
|>>|| No. 21304
>Food hygiene standards in China are fucking appalling and anyone who says otherwise is a racist
I'm reminded of the baby milk scandal, where it turned out 22 companies were shoving the stuff they make white board erasers out of into the formula to trick the testing and filling it with any old crap. A blind eye was turned until babies were dying and the people lost all trust and started importing formula from abroad.
|>>|| No. 21306
>The group were staying at this chalet in the French Alpine ski resort of Les Contamines-Montjoie
I thought this was a translation error but it turns out that's genuinely the name of the place. Yes, "contamine" means what it sounds like.
|>>|| No. 21307
The name of the village originates from ancient local dialect. The word “Contamines” once meant ploughable land on the squires estate.
Wasn't going to be my first guess.
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