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>> No. 84895 Anonymous
9th February 2019
Saturday 8:13 am
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Jimmy Saville: My new Brexit party stands ready to defend democracy

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2019/02/08/new-brexit-party-stands-ready-defend-democracy/

'Thousands of Tory party members' to defect to Jimmy Saville's Brexit Party as it gets official approval

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2019/02/08/thousands-tory-party-members-defect-Jimmy-Savilles-brexit-party/

Rebel Labour MPs set to quit party and form centre group

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/feb/02/rebel-labour-mps-set-to-quit-party-and-form-centre-group
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>> No. 85827 Anonymous
23rd May 2019
Thursday 1:01 am
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People care too much about debate (both improving it or "winning" it by any means necessary) and far too little about substantive policy or even articulating a specific philosophy. Having realised that not only will my preferred policies never be implemented, but my preferred framework for democracy itself (representative democracy as described on the box.) is pure fantasy I've long since resigned myself to viewing politics as team sport for people too weird to get into football. It's quite good to be open with your friends that your approach is to go "Yeah, they've got no idea what they're doing but I still support [colour] team, nobody has a clue what they're doing" without any pretence, or even to admit that other teams have better ideas in small areas but miss the big idea so don't deserve support. It's a great way of working through factionalism too: You're an idiot who should read a fucking book and you'll doom the party if they listen to you, but I still want you to win a seat because you're on our team.

The only thing that surprises me about politics anymore is how little cynicism there is, or how misguided the cynicism is. People would rather believe they were lead by villains than by idiots.
>> No. 85829 Anonymous
23rd May 2019
Thursday 1:20 am
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>>85827

Listen mate, most of us haven't got time to be a bloody anorak about the intricacies of legislating cattle feed additives or the width of railway cabling specifications or whatever shite it is you spend your evenings reading about. We've got better things to do than be a policy wonk, and for that matter so have politicians we vote to wonk on our behalf- Hence why it falls on the shoulders of beleaguered civil servants and everything goes tits up.

In today's fractured, apathetic world of Twitter meltdowns and TV debates, the only thing that matters, fundamentally, is getting the reds or the blues in. You can't draw parallels with the past because we didn't have this set of circumstances. We've never been in this political situation, with this radical change in information and media at the same time. The last three, maybe four elections are the only ones that are relevant to our new and poorly understood cultural era, and if those ones are to go by we're going to live in a bitter stalemate for many years to come, with the only constant being the electorate throwing the shit at the fan whenever somebody is stupid enough to give them the chance.

I strongly suspect none of our discussion here will matter a bit in ten years time. I'd like to say I was right ten years ago when I tried to tell people making fun of the Gay Racists won't make them go away; and here we are. S Club 7 are poised to take over the EU. But it doesn't matter- Ten years ago we didn't have the alt right, we didn't have twitter, we didn't have flashmobs milkshaking people. The very worst we had was a few gimps in Guy Fawkes masks, and they were the good guys then.

Bloody minded tribalism seems like something we're going to have to get used to. The centrist has been thoroughly rejected.
>> No. 85830 Anonymous
23rd May 2019
Thursday 3:32 am
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>>85829
You don't need to care about those intricacies. Those are by and large administration problems, not political problems. A failure to adequately distinguish between the two is one of the reasons we deserve our current mess. Politics became dormant the moment we decided that big (often philosophical, irreducible to 'evidence based policy') questions of "Who gets what, when and how?" weren't really up for debate, let alone letting the public have any agency over them at the ballot box. There were perfectly moderate ways to avoid the mess we've been careering towards since the 90s but nobody took them. They had a duty to lead and they failed us. Call that wonkery if you want, but it's better than the freak who wants to help with the legislative process of changing cattle feed additives.

Wonks who obsess over minutiae signify the death of politics, not the worship of it. Say what you will about now versus 10 years ago, at least wonkocracy is collapsing. Sure, it might collapse back into feudalism and the black death but even that can't be as tedious as a politician handing you a pledge card less inspiring than the average supermarket discount coupon. Maybe if our old so-called politics had anything worth preserving, it wouldn't be coming to this. I mean the changing media landscale has a big role (though really, i doubt the electorate are worse informed than they were in 2007. perhaps worse than 1987.) and the public are terrible as always but it's a woeful failure of leadership that we've allowed our public life to decay so far. Why have our leaders not lead? Why has the country that produced so many good leaders started sticking itself with Mays and Corbyns? Perfectly nice people I'm sure, but I doubt they'd have made PPS 40 years ago.

You can say it's inevitable due to technological change if you want, but plenty of other countries haven't fucked themselves up the way we have, even in the same global economic circumstances, even with the same cowardice, even with the same public loss of faith in politics, even with a different order and number of wins for red or blue team. Even the USA looks like it has more opportunities for a bright future than we do.
>> No. 85831 Anonymous
23rd May 2019
Thursday 7:07 am
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I know this is about the Seppos, but I'd have thought part of the issue stems from going from quite a lot of common ground and overlap between their two main parties to drifting to the extremes.
>> No. 85863 Anonymous
23rd May 2019
Thursday 2:36 pm
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>>85831
Parties drifting to the extremes is a symptom rather than a cause of our problems. Brexit didn't come about because Cameron was an extreme brexiteer hell-bent on dragging the country right, it came about because he was complacent that the rules of the games were fixed within a narrow centre ground, that being an inch off it would doom you (Hi Ed!), that you could accurately predict the behaviour of the electorate and that people were basically inherently small-c conservative. Only after those assumptions were proved to be nonsense did the Conservatives begin to move sharply right. Equally, Corbyn was only nominated by the leadership because a few Labour MPs who didn't actually want him to win nominated him to broaden the debate confident that he couldn't win. Ridiculous, ridiculous complacency.

The common ground between the parties during the 90s-2000s is illusory. It represented an artificial consensus brought about by circumstance and electoral tactics which didn't really satisfy people (or metaphorically, parties.) in the long term. Just as the 1945-76 consensus was fine until it was broken, the 1987-2007ish consensus was dominant until it was doomed by the circumstances it created for itself. It's just shambled on for longer because the circumstances it created equally make it harder to think beyond it even though both major parties acclimatised to it pretty poorly. Blair and Cameron were both perfectly happy to portray themselves in opposition to their parties at large, is it any wonder their parties would come to see them as an outside force and reject their legacy?
If you want my prediction: Things will get worse, but in 10-20 years the parties will have converged again and it will all seem perfectly sensible and normal, except to a few people who object to elements of the new consensus. There is the possibility they converge on political style rather than substance, though.

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>> No. 85774 Anonymous
22nd May 2019
Wednesday 9:57 am
85774 Election
It's coming lads. Dawn of a new era.
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>> No. 85858 Anonymous
23rd May 2019
Thursday 10:56 am
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>>85857
Arguably that's also just "gibber-gabber".
>> No. 85859 Anonymous
23rd May 2019
Thursday 11:00 am
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I think you can find elements of what he does comical without being the type of person who pretends to be racist to get a rise out of others. There was that thread "Is anyone else enjoying Tommy Robinson's journalism?" with a screenshot from his Ascot fight. His social media was a beautiful train wreck.
>> No. 85860 Anonymous
23rd May 2019
Thursday 11:02 am
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There was a huge thread about him here when he'd just quit the EDL. I wish I would have read it now but I never clicked through.
>> No. 85861 Anonymous
23rd May 2019
Thursday 11:33 am
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>>85860
When was that, 2014? Just check pages three through five.
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23rd May 2019
Thursday 2:00 pm
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>> No. 51150 Anonymous
8th October 2013
Tuesday 9:23 pm
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Young adults in England have scored among the lowest results in the industrialised world in international literacy and numeracy tests.

A major study by the Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development (OECD) shows how England's 16 to 24-year-olds are falling behind their Asian and European counterparts. England is 22nd for literacy and 21st for numeracy out of 24 countries.

Unlike other developed countries, the study also showed that young people in England are no better at these tests than older people, in the 55 to 65 age range. When this is weighted with other factors, such as the socio-economic background of people taking the test, it shows that England is the only country in the survey where results are going backwards - with the older cohort better than the younger.


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-24433320

Cue lots of finger pointing and nothing changing.
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>> No. 85646 Anonymous
29th April 2019
Monday 5:30 pm
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The Office for National Statistics (ONS) says 31% of graduates are overeducated for the job they are doing. For those graduating before 1992, the number was only 22%, but this jumped to 34% for those graduating after 2007.

Graduates in arts and humanities were more likely to be under-using their education. The overeducation rate for all workers of about 16% for 2017 is largely unchanged since 2006.


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-48091971
>> No. 85647 Anonymous
29th April 2019
Monday 6:30 pm
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>>85646

>Graduates in arts and humanities were more likely to be under-using their education

What a revelation. I'm truly shocked.
>> No. 85648 Anonymous
29th April 2019
Monday 6:35 pm
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>>85647

Whereas some science graduates have been using their degree to produce this study.
>> No. 85649 Anonymous
29th April 2019
Monday 8:15 pm
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>>85647
Not enough of a distinction is made between the calibre of the university and the subject studied in this country. I don't think this is fully understood by enough people who are planning to on applying to study. Even that BBC article talks about average graduate earnings in general, which gives people false hope over what they can achieve with a shitty degree from a shitty institution.
>> No. 85833 Anonymous
23rd May 2019
Thursday 7:45 am
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>Most families do not choose to send their children to their nearest school, shows the biggest ever study of state secondary school choices in England. More than 60% opt for a school that is further away - usually because it is higher achieving.

>"Contrary to a widely-held belief, only a minority of parents choose their local school as their first option," say researchers.

>It also debunks the idea that richer families are more engaged with choices. Despite any assumptions about the "sharp elbows" of middle-class families, there was no significant difference in behaviour between wealthier and more disadvantaged parents.

>Both were similarly engaged in using choices to seek more desirable school places for their children. Parents in poorer areas were more likely to opt for schools further away - with researchers suggesting this was because richer families were more likely to live close to high-performing schools.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-48365204

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>> No. 85447 Anonymous
26th March 2019
Tuesday 4:50 am
85447 lmao brexit
Here's your future British Isles bro

(A good day to you Sir!)
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>> No. 85451 Anonymous
26th March 2019
Tuesday 12:44 pm
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>>85450

The bikers.
>> No. 85455 Anonymous
26th March 2019
Tuesday 9:12 pm
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>>85450
That's a fair point. It's a protectorate with its own currency, it isn't a member of the UK. I imagine they'd probably vote to become independent though if the pound crashed through the floor, as their interests might be better served by Holyrood or Stormont at that point. The Scots have vastly more experience at accommodating the needs of island communities, so that would be my guess.

Assuming the above is an inevitability.
>> No. 85456 Anonymous
26th March 2019
Tuesday 11:24 pm
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>>85451
Nah, that place is going to us Hindists

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ocHeJG5o8N0.

Bikers are allowed, but never shall his sacrifice be forgotten.
>> No. 85457 Anonymous
26th March 2019
Tuesday 11:27 pm
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>>85456

RIP doctor Hinds. Road racing will never be the same without him.
>> No. 85728 Anonymous
20th May 2019
Monday 6:49 am
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>>85449
I think it's down to Wales whether or not they want an independence vote.
There's still mixed views so far, the majority voted to leave the EU although there's been a growing movement for independence since the protest in Cardiff.

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>> No. 85279 Anonymous
20th March 2019
Wednesday 8:45 pm
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I think the UK has become like one of those girlfriends that's always threatening to dump you, but never does.
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>> No. 85581 Anonymous
11th April 2019
Thursday 9:46 am
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>>85578
>The legal minimum amount of time needed for a referendum in this country is 26 weeks.
Where do you get that number from? The only number that's enshrined in law is 10 weeks from announcement of the poll.
>> No. 85582 Anonymous
11th April 2019
Thursday 9:54 am
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>>85581
The ever reliable source; it's what someone who follows these things told me. LSE suggest that the entire process could be shortened to 24 weeks which is why, until now, most commentators have suggested that a General Election was far more likely than a second referendum.

>Allowing one week between passage of legislation and the start of the regulated campaign, and a 10-week regulated campaign period, would take the total period from start to finish to 24 weeks.

https://blogs.lse.ac.uk/brexit/2018/09/05/how-long-would-it-take-to-hold-a-second-referendum-on-brexit/
>> No. 85583 Anonymous
11th April 2019
Thursday 10:11 am
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>>85582
While I understand the point about the Electoral Commission, bear in mind that we just had a bill rushed through all stages in the Commons with a lot of debate and a number of contentious votes in a little under five hours.

Plus I think that if the decision were taken to stage a referendum on the deal, the EU would happily grant a further extension, since it would be abundantly clear what we were going to do with it.
>> No. 85584 Anonymous
11th April 2019
Thursday 7:34 pm
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>>85577
>>85578
The referendum seems like a catch 22, sure it would give Parliament an answer (?) but on the other it requires Parliament to actually pass a bill on having a referendum.

>>85583
>Plus I think that if the decision were taken to stage a referendum on the deal, the EU would happily grant a further extension, since it would be abundantly clear what we were going to do with it.

That depends on how much we mess about. The Multiannual Financial Framework happens in 2020 and decides the EU budget commitments for the next 7 years - obviously we'd want to have fucked off by then.
>> No. 85585 Anonymous
12th April 2019
Friday 1:28 am
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>>85584
The EU has shown they've been more than reasonable. If a referendum bill is put forward and held up at the last stage for the EC to do their thing, but the statutory periods run past the Halloween deadline, they'd certainly react a lot better than they have done. Remember, the main objection from the European side was that we were asking for an extension without any hint as to what we were seeking the extension for. Indeed, I believe both Juncker and Tusk have explicitly said as much.

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>> No. 85368 Anonymous
23rd March 2019
Saturday 10:09 pm
85368 How accurate is this article?
I'm not British, sorry about that. Is this editorial at all within the realm of reality or is it just character assassination?

“She was dealt a bad hand.” “She took a poisoned chalice.” From a great distance, it is possible to feel sorry for British Prime Minister Theresa May. She seems so dignified. She seems to be trying so hard. The circles beneath her eyes have grown so much deeper since she became prime minister back in 2016, following the surprise result of the Brexit referendum, the resignation of her hapless predecessor, David Cameron, and an ugly leadership squabble, during which several of her male colleagues metaphorically stabbed one another in the back. Since then, she has always seemed to outsiders the sensible person in the room, the adult who knows what she is doing, the sane person in a madhouse.

Alas, she is not any of those things. She is not sensible, she does not know what she is doing, and, increasingly, she doesn’t seem to be entirely sane either. Outside of Westminster, the extent of May’s responsibility for this crisis might not be fully appreciated. But in truth, almost everything about Brexit — from the nature of the deal she negotiated to the divisions in her party and her country — is very much her fault. The latest development — European leaders have told her that the United Kingdom can have a Brexit extension until May 22, if May can get her withdrawal agreement passed in Parliament, but must crash out of all of its trading arrangements on April 12 if not — underlines this bitter truth. She is not to be pitied: She is the worst prime minister in living memory, presiding over a crisis of her own creation.

The list of her mistakes is not short. She did not have to trigger Article 50, the legal mechanism for leaving the European Union, before making a plan on how to do so: That decision set a two-year clock ticking and has resulted in the cliff edge the country would have reached on the 29th of this month if an extension had not been granted. She did not have to call an unnecessary parliamentary election in 2017, one which resulted in the loss of her majority and forced her to rely on a small, radical, Protestant Northern Irish political party, as well as the extreme anti-European faction within her own party, in order to stay in power.

But her errors go even deeper. In fact, all of the events of the past two years have been shaped by a decision she made, by herself, following bad advice, at the very beginning of this process. Remember that the British did not vote for any particular form of Brexit: Thanks to Cameron’s simplistic, open-ended referendum question, they chose to “Leave” the European Union but did not express any view on what should happen next. When she took office, May could have observed that the vote was very close, that Britain’s commercial and political ties to Europe were strong, and that it would make sense for the United Kingdom to stay within the single market, the pan-European free-trade zone that Britain itself did so much to create — or at the very least within a customs union.

Instead, she chose to leave both of those institutions, a decision that immediately triggered the problem of the border between Northern Ireland and the Republic of Ireland, which was eliminated thanks to E.U. trade treaties but will, if customs barriers are put in place, need to be built back. Her decision also created potential problems for anyone who trades with Britain or works with Britain — and for Brits who trade and work in Europe. But she was not sorry: She accompanied her decision with a speech that called “a citizen of the world” nothing more than “a citizen of nowhere” and immediately alienated a large part of the country.

She went on to alienate almost everyone else. Until this week, nearly three years after the referendum, she made no effort to reach across the aisle and include opposition parties in the planning for this momentous national change. Although the E.U. has been entirely transparent about its negotiating goals from the beginning, she kept hers secret. She tried, and failed, to prevent parliamentary scrutiny of her deal. She does not respond to pleas, advice, suggestions. Columnist Matthew Parris has described her as “the Death Star of modern British politics,” a black void that sucks in people and ideas and never provides a response.
Her secrecy and incompetence have created ill will in Europe, and real anger in the House of Commons, some of whose members have belatedly tried to take control of the Brexit process. They have begged her to try a series of votes, to try to find one version of an exit plan that could pass the entire chamber. John Bercow, speaker of the House of Commons, produced a decree from 1604 in an attempt to prevent yet another vote on her deal, after two had already failed. But she seems to take none of it in. On Wednesday evening, she made a bizarre, crypto-populist appeal, over the heads of Britain’s elected representatives, to the nation: “You the public have had enough,” she declared. “You are tired of the infighting. You are tired of the political games and the procedural rows” — as if the political games and procedural rows were not all entirely her fault. “It is high time we made a decision,” she said — as if she were not the one preventing Parliament from doing exactly that.

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>> No. 85478 Anonymous
28th March 2019
Thursday 10:32 pm
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>>85477

>Huel powders

I think you'll find yourself opting for long pig pretty quickly. That stuff is like drinking someone else's puke.
>> No. 85479 Anonymous
28th March 2019
Thursday 10:37 pm
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>>85478

It doesn't really taste like anything to me, even with the flavouring powders. I'd get bored of it, not disgusted.
>> No. 85480 Anonymous
29th March 2019
Friday 12:48 pm
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>>85477

Hope your hiding behind a VPN, if the rozzers see your comment you rapidly won't have a firearms license
>> No. 85481 Anonymous
29th March 2019
Friday 12:48 pm
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>>85477

Hope your hiding behind a VPN, if the rozzers see your comment you rapidly won't have a firearms license
>> No. 85482 Anonymous
29th March 2019
Friday 12:51 pm
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>>85480

I don't have one anyway. This is the internet, mate.

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>> No. 85439 Anonymous
25th March 2019
Monday 10:11 pm
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https://euworthit.uk

This is a nice site. I feel like I should probably be moaning about the welfare state a bit more, but the rest I am fine with.
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>> No. 85442 Anonymous
25th March 2019
Monday 10:50 pm
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I thought it a bit off that the UN wasn't on that but as it turns out we've forgotten to pay our subscription.
http://www.un.org/en/ga/contributions/honourroll.shtml

Anyone fancy chucking £20 in before they send the bailiffs round?
>> No. 85444 Anonymous
25th March 2019
Monday 10:58 pm
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I know we're all just LARPing here, but it's odd how many of us are top tax bracket. Maybe we should start a prize fund for POTY.
>> No. 85452 Anonymous
26th March 2019
Tuesday 5:43 pm
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>>85444

I don't know, we do have a lot of arseholes. I've noticed that having too much money is often a big contributing factor towards being an arsehole, so it kind of makes sense.
>> No. 85453 Anonymous
26th March 2019
Tuesday 6:25 pm
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>>85452

I was an arsehole long before I had money, though.
>> No. 85454 Anonymous
26th March 2019
Tuesday 7:31 pm
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I'd be nicer if I had money.

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>> No. 84569 Anonymous
12th December 2018
Wednesday 7:57 am
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Theresa May to face leadership challenge

UK Prime Minister Theresa May will face a vote of no confidence in her leadership later on Wednesday.

Conservative MPs will vote between 18:00 GMT and 20:00 GMT.

The challenge to Mrs May's position comes after the required 48 letters calling for a contest were delivered.


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-46535739
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>> No. 85271 Anonymous
18th March 2019
Monday 7:08 pm
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>>85270
What now then? Shit's weird.
>> No. 85272 Anonymous
18th March 2019
Monday 7:58 pm
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>>85271
We're not getting Meaningful Vote 3: Vote Meaningfully With a Vengeance until there's some substantial change on the table, so after the EU summit at least. Literally any and all options are on the table, up to and including a tactical nuclear strike on Luxembourg.
>> No. 85273 Anonymous
18th March 2019
Monday 8:41 pm
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>>85272
You've got my vote.
>> No. 85274 Anonymous
18th March 2019
Monday 8:47 pm
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At this rate, we're basically fucked, so all we need to figure out is whether we stay or go. I say we relocate to the Costa del Sol since it already might as well be a British colony and we'd be bringing jobs to Iberia which already has crippling unemployment. Obviously we salt these islands before the Germans inevitably try planting a towel in them.
>> No. 85275 Anonymous
18th March 2019
Monday 9:30 pm
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>>85270
He's going on some nutter's list, that's for sure. I like that we have this rule though.

>>85274
Like the Huns and the Vandals? Just roam around the nice bits of the EU ruining them for everyone else? I'll get my vacuum flask.

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>> No. 51753 Anonymous
11th November 2013
Monday 11:24 pm
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Switzerland will hold a vote on whether to introduce a basic income for all adults, in a further sign of growing public activism over pay inequality since the financial crisis. A grassroots committee is calling for all adults in Switzerland to receive an unconditional income of 2,500 Swiss francs ($2,800) per month from the state, with the aim of providing a financial safety net for the population.

Under Swiss law, citizens can organize popular initiatives that allow the channeling of public anger into direct political action. The country usually holds several referenda a year. In March, Swiss voters backed some of the world's strictest controls on executive pay, forcing public companies to give shareholders a binding vote on compensation. A separate proposal to limit monthly executive pay to no more than what the company's lowest-paid staff earn in a year, the so-called 1:12 initiative, faces a popular vote on November 24.


http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/10/04/us-swiss-pay-idUSBRE9930O620131004

http://www.businessinsider.com/behind-the-swiss-unconditional-income-iniative-2013-10

I'm not entirely sure what to make of these. I reckong that if they tried the 1:12 thing over here then the lowest paid members of staff in some large organisations would end up being made redundant and replaced with contractors.
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>> No. 85259 Anonymous
17th March 2019
Sunday 9:18 am
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Y'know, even if he didn't mean that, it's not a terrible idea. During the credit crunch, quantitive easing was essentially printing new money. However if that money was given to the poor, who are more likely to spend it immediately than the rich, it would have a much more stimulatory effect on the economy, for a negligible effect on inflation. It's only printing money repeatedly to fund routine infrastructure or to pay debt, that doesn't work.
>> No. 85261 Anonymous
17th March 2019
Sunday 12:04 pm
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>who are more likely to spend it immediately than the rich, it would have a much more stimulatory effect on the economy

What would happen is that all the local / Northern shops would just put their prices up. This is capitalism / economics 101. Your printing-money idea would only work if there were similar, compensating controls on pricing and supply; otherwise this would balance out any benefit of doing it in the first place.

If you wanted to help people like this, just give them stuff, don't fuck with the supply or value of money.
>> No. 85262 Anonymous
17th March 2019
Sunday 3:01 pm
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>>85261

I get the feeling you don't know how the supply of money is dictated.
>> No. 85263 Anonymous
17th March 2019
Sunday 4:10 pm
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>>85261
>If you wanted to help people like this, just give them stuff, don't fuck with the supply or value of money.
The people who say this line almost inevitably proceed to balk when you suggest going all robin hood. Assuming good faith, the fundamental problem is that this misses political economy. If I announce that I'm sticking up taxes and jacking up spending, the response - both on the markets and with the confidence of the general public - is going to be much higher than if I instruct the Bank of England to make some alterations to monetary policy which will have similar (if broader and less predictable) redistributive effects without overtly stating as much.

Frankly so long as whoever's in power isn't a complete idiot about it the risks would seem to be overstated. The 1970s were a total anomaly with disproportionate mindshare and almost every other country that has had major problems has already been a basket case before they went all macroeconomic populist. I'm not saying we should be the first ones to go out and try it and see what happens, it might still do bad things, but serious and sober minded people seem to be capable of thinking the UK could become Venezuela just because someone at the BoE had a shit day in the absence of any historical precedent.
>> No. 85264 Anonymous
17th March 2019
Sunday 5:23 pm
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>>85214
While I agree that government should be looking at ways to shift away from our London-centric model I do question how effective it will be. At least in terms of how solutions are now being approached. The London economy is built precisely around it being a global capital with the manufacture parts moved out to places like Derby (for Rolls-Royce aerospace). Yes, the rents outrageous but much of the work done in the capital is location specific and can't easily be transplanted without just hobbling the city.

To go back to the point of the HMRC, they have been doing a fair amount of moving the administrative workers out to regional hubs but there still needs to be a core contingent of policy managers in London. It's looking at the problem backwards when the issue isn't that everywhere else is shit but that London is incredibly successful and now suffers from national policy built on fairness but which becomes unfair regionally.

The alternative I suggest would be to embrace Georgism and attach the majority of tax collection to property value. That might still hurt London by it would at least have the knock-on effect of closing down the property game.

>>85261
>If you wanted to help people like this, just give them stuff, don't fuck with the supply or value of money.

I've long argued that governments should help address the stress of a downturn by buying everyone a pint. It's a bit like that tax holiday we had at the start of the Great Recession where sales tax was removed only rather than just a signal to consume it is one telling you to take some tlc.

Maybe we could go further and have public holiday camps with a special bank holiday in times of trouble. People could choose what kind of place they go (so I don't rub elbows with the riff-raff) but all would offer some greater public function like education or a special singles camp for bonking.

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>> No. 84903 Anonymous
9th February 2019
Saturday 2:58 pm
84903 Turning Point UK
What do you lads think of this? Right wing youth movement, cringeworthy use of memes, roundly mocked by the left. My uni apparently has a chapter, but I've seen no evidence of it existing. Seems very pro-Israel, pro-free market, anti-Corbyn.
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>> No. 84913 Anonymous
9th February 2019
Saturday 5:51 pm
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>>84912
>In fairness, the name is a coincidence as the organisation began in the USA.

Doesn't matter - plenty of companies and organisations in the UK and Europe have different names from their US versions, just for this reason.
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9th February 2019
Saturday 6:09 pm
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>>84913

I doubt they bothered to even google the name before they registered it.
>> No. 84917 Anonymous
10th February 2019
Sunday 2:30 pm
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Any campaign relating to the UK politically is going to be targeted immediately now. US conservatives saw it right away. It's funny but it goes deeper than having a laugh.
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16th March 2019
Saturday 4:15 pm
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The NZ shooter cited Turning Point's Candace Owens as one of his inspirations. Maybe Turning Point are more dangerous than I initially gave them credit for.
>> No. 85243 Anonymous
16th March 2019
Saturday 4:34 pm
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>https://www.bellingcat.com/news/rest-of-world/2019/03/15/shitposting-inspirational-terrorism-and-the-christchurch-mosque-massacre

But you knew that already.

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>> No. 85229 Anonymous
15th March 2019
Friday 9:48 pm
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I'm yet to see a better solution to knife crime.
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>> No. 85230 Anonymous
15th March 2019
Friday 10:39 pm
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And quiet bat people to monitor them!
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16th March 2019
Saturday 12:08 pm
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>>85229
Spoken like a true ex-postie and fairly typical of the thinking we have come to expect from North Cornwall.

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>> No. 84456 Anonymous
23rd September 2018
Sunday 8:38 pm
84456 Ban anonymous accounts, Angela Rayner tells social media firms
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/sep/23/ban-anonymous-accounts-angela-rayner-tells-social-media-firms

>The shadow education secretary, speaking at a Labour party conference event, said social media firms should take greater responsibility for their users and noted in particular that Facebook seemed to have indicated that politicians should accept a higher level of abuse.

>Rayner, at a fringe event organised by the Guardian, conceded that insisting on real names wouldn’t stop abuse, but “it would certainly help a little bit. I think they should do more – they do have a responsibility for online.”

I... kind of like Angela Rayner, but this is a truly awful idea that seems to have had absolutely no thought put into its implementation or wider affects on freedom of expression. Technically almost every single account commenting on The Guardian is an "anonymous" social media account because why would you use a real name for such a thing.

I really hope this doesn't gain any kind of traction.
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>> No. 84881 Anonymous
31st January 2019
Thursday 10:43 am
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>>84473
I'm sorry but how on Earth have you missed the ascot ladies day threads every year? It's one of our grandest traditions.
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31st January 2019
Thursday 11:19 am
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>>84881
Honestly it's starting to feel played out.
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31st January 2019
Thursday 4:07 pm
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>>84882

Agreed. I'm not even sure why they bother bringing the horses anymore.
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31st January 2019
Thursday 6:25 pm
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>>84881
That months old post wont know wot hit it.
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1st March 2019
Friday 9:00 am
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>>84467

I'd love to slap my man meat in between them, that's for sure.

and then piss all over them after I'm done

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>> No. 84886 Anonymous
8th February 2019
Friday 5:22 pm
84886 Right I'm fucked and I've sussed Brexit
Now I'm just a simple lad but it seems to me that the problem really is that some people don't want it and some people do, and those are themselves split into groups about what specifically wanting and not wanting it means; we just can't come to a proper agreement about what Brexit should look like because we all want different things.

So it seems to me that the real issue is that the nation is far too big now to properly represent the wishes of its population. We need more granularity!

I propose that we divide the UK into a number of smaller client kingdoms, all of which are inherited by the current monarch. The boundaries of these client kingdoms would reflect the historical cultures of their inhabitants, for example my idea of a Kingdom of Dál Riata would comprise mainly of those areas of Scotland with high levels of Gaelic speakers, the same for Gwynedd and Kernow (Northern Wales & Cornwall). They have their own languages and peoples, we should let them run their own affairs.

We can then become the United League of Kingdoms of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, the ULK. This would take the form of a confederacy in which a Grand Parliament in London would control matters of defence, currency and internal trade.

As a successor state to the UK, we should retain our membership of the EU (with all the concessions and special rights negotiated by the UK) and as a confederacy, it would be down to each individual kingdom to choose whether to (re)invoke article 50 or not, and thus to retain or withdraw membership of the European Union, and could each come to the decision whether to make a Withdrawal Agreement or not. Trade between the kingdoms would be tariff-free except to the EU-remaining ones, where mandatory EU tariffs would apply for imports. This would be okay because these areas will benefit from tariff-free trading with other EU states, whilst non-EU areas would be able to waive tariffs on imports from the EU and would benefit from loosened regulations and increased autonomy which would enable further trade with the rest of the world.

Please let me know your thoughts on this idea otherlad, and don't be insulting now. I've hit a vein of solid fucking gold here and I want to refine it in the smelting pot of britfa.gs /pol/.
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>> No. 84974 Anonymous
19th February 2019
Tuesday 12:34 am
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>>84919
God bless whoever wrote that in.

Double-edged sword mind, if the Contractor doesn't know what they're doing they'll have put the butter in the fridge and just shredded the bread with lumps of it while preparing the sandwiches. You can't trust anyone.
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26th February 2019
Tuesday 7:01 pm
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Bumping because I've had another Brexit solution.

We should start our own EU and invite Ireland, France, Germany and Denmark. We can call it the West European Alliance and make it much better and richer than the EU because we won't have all that dead weight from the other countries.
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26th February 2019
Tuesday 7:49 pm
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>>85062
What if they laugh the UK out of the room?
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26th February 2019
Tuesday 7:59 pm
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>>85062
Germany likes the dead weight; their industries have benefitted massively from taking advantage of a relatively undervalued currency.
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27th February 2019
Wednesday 5:32 pm
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>>85062

You want rid of the dead weight but you're inviting Ireland?

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>> No. 84834 Anonymous
22nd January 2019
Tuesday 10:26 pm
84834 Irish independance is fake and literally impossible
Want to hear a funny joke? The Irish were ruled for 1000 years by England and eventually got their freedom a few decades ago... a few years later they sold themselves to the German EU project.
Looks like they really care about their sovereignty huh?

Ireland, like all the minor British satellite states that orbit England, cannot be a sovereign nation as they lack the size/population/resources to do so. All they do is end up answering to others... namely the continental heathens.

The IRA are pleb boneheads whose 'policy' revolves around ''durr hurr I hate dur english'', they don't care about being someone's bitch as long as it isn't England... quite similar to the boneheads in the Ukraine who want to hate Russia so badly that they will gladly join Germanys EU proxy empire just to spite everyone's favourite KGB badboy.

Ireland prospered under English rule (by and large)… I bet they won't last a century as a German vassal.
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23rd January 2019
Wednesday 5:32 pm
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>>84850


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VstDOv0C1do
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23rd January 2019
Wednesday 5:47 pm
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>>84860

Yurt
>> No. 84862 Anonymous
23rd January 2019
Wednesday 6:19 pm
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>>84861
Weren't they the bad guys in Animorphs?
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23rd January 2019
Wednesday 6:44 pm
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>>84860

This is my favourite. It's amazing how much vitriol a drunk provo can belt this one out with, it's hilarious.


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6th February 2019
Wednesday 2:54 am
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>>84848
Many of the millions of Irish that emirated to America did end up thriving as a result of English rule. I'd also like to add Finland to the list of nation which were driven into the arms by of the Germans by a pattern of genocidal greed and sadistic indifference to human suffering displayed by their immediate neighbors.

(A good day to you Sir!)

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