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>> No. 73072 Anonymous
5th June 2016
Sunday 2:26 am
73072 Corbyn II: Revolution
A REFUGEE IN EVERY HOME.
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>> No. 73073 Anonymous
5th June 2016
Sunday 2:29 am
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>>73072

Fuck that.
>> No. 73074 Anonymous
5th June 2016
Sunday 2:31 am
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>>73073
Please do NOT fuck our treasured guests unless you are certain that such an advance is welcome. To do otherwise would be uncomradely.
>> No. 73084 Anonymous
5th June 2016
Sunday 2:02 pm
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Also, excellent moderation stopping that wall of text. Fucking annoying.
>> No. 73085 Anonymous
5th June 2016
Sunday 3:35 pm
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Well he did say it.
>> No. 73086 Anonymous
5th June 2016
Sunday 6:51 pm
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>>73072
I'd be ok with this if they were female and between the ages of 16-25, too bad they're all men.
>> No. 73087 Anonymous
5th June 2016
Sunday 9:09 pm
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>>73086
Does he have a pair of gay women as security guards or are they part of the refugee influx? Honestly I had no idea the European nation of lesbania was in such peril.
>> No. 73091 Anonymous
6th June 2016
Monday 7:50 am
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>>73086

The ratio of men to women is actually about fifty fifty, the reason that pictures of mostly men are shown is because of reporting bias.
>> No. 73092 Anonymous
6th June 2016
Monday 10:25 am
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>>73091
Whereas the ratio on Chatback was fifty fifty fifty.
>> No. 73093 Anonymous
6th June 2016
Monday 10:38 am
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>>73091
I'm sure the reason people say your cock is only 4 inches is reporting bias.
>> No. 73094 Anonymous
6th June 2016
Monday 10:57 am
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>>73092
Thank you.
>> No. 73106 Anonymous
6th June 2016
Monday 7:43 pm
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>>73093
His wife must love it.
>> No. 73118 Anonymous
7th June 2016
Tuesday 2:14 am
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>>73093
I love this image.
>> No. 73199 Anonymous
9th June 2016
Thursday 10:04 pm
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>>73093
I like this.
>> No. 73202 Anonymous
9th June 2016
Thursday 10:13 pm
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>>73199

Nah mate, it's over there.
>> No. 73204 Anonymous
9th June 2016
Thursday 10:34 pm
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>>73202
Wrong.
>> No. 73205 Anonymous
9th June 2016
Thursday 10:39 pm
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DRESS LIKE A PIRATE DAY.
>> No. 73207 Anonymous
9th June 2016
Thursday 10:46 pm
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>>73205
Corbyn is going for the Hulk Hogan look.
>> No. 73211 Anonymous
9th June 2016
Thursday 11:48 pm
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>>73207 Whatcha gonna do when socialism comes rainin down on you BROTHERRRRRR?!
>> No. 73290 Anonymous
12th June 2016
Sunday 12:56 am
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Inshallah

It's really nice, we're peaceful.

>>73211
>> No. 73291 Anonymous
12th June 2016
Sunday 1:52 am
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>>73093
Is it wrong that my eyes instinctively look over the book shelf to judge them. I do this when I visit peoples homes as well.

I was pleasantly surprised to see Tom Wolfe. I hope their feel-good pet keeps up with his chores and convinces the Mrs to throw out that fluff pillow.
>> No. 73292 Anonymous
12th June 2016
Sunday 8:19 am
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>>73290
If the mad mullahs come here and put my head on a spike I hope they give it a good wash first.
>> No. 74379 Anonymous
24th June 2016
Friday 6:01 pm
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Holy shit lads. I've only just appreciated the genius of Corbyn's conniving to bring about Brexit. Not only has he accomplished his goal of making us leave the EU, he's also split up the UK, which diminishes our financial power as a Big Bad Western Villain, and removes our ability to host and maintain the nuclear weapons. The cunt's a cunt, but he's a cunting genius.
>> No. 74381 Anonymous
24th June 2016
Friday 6:31 pm
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>>74379
I think I need to stop spending so much time on .gs, where this is considered mainstream opinion.
>> No. 74385 Anonymous
24th June 2016
Friday 7:06 pm
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>>74379
If you want to thank anyone for bringing about Brexit it should probably be frau Merkel and her unreasonable importation of millions of rapefugees.
>> No. 74386 Anonymous
24th June 2016
Friday 7:10 pm
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>>74385
Back to the other place with you.
>> No. 74390 Anonymous
24th June 2016
Friday 7:13 pm
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>>74379
He's even reinvigorated Irish republicanism. Well done labour, you fucking played yourself.
>> No. 74394 Anonymous
24th June 2016
Friday 7:20 pm
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>>74390
If I were Mrs Villiers I'd give them the referendum, because they haven't a chance of succeeding.
>> No. 74408 Anonymous
24th June 2016
Friday 8:04 pm
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>>74394
I don't know about that. The idea that there's a discussion to be had is bollocks. If we're out of the EU, there must be border controls. The government simply won't have a choice in the matter, becauase without them anyone could just rock up in Paddystan and waltz into Norniron unchecked, where they can get on a ferry without having to show a passport. There are entire communities on either side of that border (especially along the infamous A4) that are heavily dependent on cross-border trade, and an awful lot of people who would get very pissed off if the border were actually enforced.
>> No. 74409 Anonymous
24th June 2016
Friday 8:13 pm
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>>74408
I think we will just put up with it. There's too much at stake with Northern Ireland.
>> No. 74413 Anonymous
24th June 2016
Friday 8:24 pm
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>>74409
>I think we will just put up with it.
Go ask the people of Boston or Thanet if they want to "just put up with" illegal immigration and smuggling undermining their jobs.

>There's too much at stake with Northern Ireland.
There was too much at stake yesterday but that didn't stop people voting Leave.
>> No. 74419 Anonymous
24th June 2016
Friday 8:34 pm
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So any idea on who will be in the running to succeed Corbyn if the knives come out?

The Momentum candidate should be interesting. Maybe Diane Abbott will get the throne and we will have a 1000 years of Conservative rule.

>>74408
Actually we're still in the Common Travel Area with Ireland and have mutual visa recognition. I don't see us pulling out of that without making Jersey mad so it'll be fine.

Until I see hordes of refugees in Ireland somehow I think you're being hysterical.
>> No. 74420 Anonymous
24th June 2016
Friday 8:37 pm
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>>74408

Other way round. Schengen member states are required by law to secure the external borders of the area. We could let in whoever we like from the Republic of Ireland, but they have to have border controls. The only option for Norn Irn to keep an open border would be to leave the United Kingdom and join the EU as an independent state or reunify with the Republic.

I'm generally unconcerned about Brexit because most things will be basically the same once we have replacement treaties, but the Irish border isn't something we can fix.
>> No. 74421 Anonymous
24th June 2016
Friday 8:43 pm
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>>74419
>Actually we're still in the Common Travel Area with Ireland and have mutual visa recognition
Mutual visa recognition only makes a difference if you need a visa in the first place. Given the restrictions we placed or tried to place on various countries in Eastern Europe, it's difficult to imagine that we wouldn't require visas from their nationals. Romanians could try and get a visa into the UK, or they could just fly to Ireland where they don't need one and get in that way. It is beyond dispute that we cannot "control our borders" if our only land border is invisible.

>Until I see hordes of refugees in Ireland somehow I think you're being hysterical.
Unless the refugees are secretly smuggling goods in and out of the country and coming here to work illegally somehow I think you're being stupid.
>> No. 74424 Anonymous
24th June 2016
Friday 8:49 pm
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>>74420
>We could let in whoever we like from the Republic of Ireland, but they have to have border controls.
That would only be the case if Ireland were part of the Schengen area, whch they aren't for exactly that reason - as we weren't joining, they'd have had to enforce the border.
>> No. 74487 Anonymous
25th June 2016
Saturday 12:03 pm
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Corbyn is floundering right now. I guess there is an opportunity for Labour to be relevant now but it would take radical thinking and change. Don't have it in them.
>> No. 74493 Anonymous
25th June 2016
Saturday 12:20 pm
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>>74487
More radical than Corbynism? Well I didn't know Anjem Choudary was a member but give it a go and see what happens.
>> No. 74504 Anonymous
25th June 2016
Saturday 1:28 pm
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>>74487

Yeah, I'm sure Hilary and Tristan are exactly what the working class were demanding when they told the EU to shove off.

Pull the bloody other one, Toynbee.
>> No. 74600 Anonymous
26th June 2016
Sunday 1:21 am
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OH SHIT LADS, IT'S FUCKING ON
>> No. 74601 Anonymous
26th June 2016
Sunday 1:30 am
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Oh my fucking God.

You couldn't write this fucking shit any better if you were trying to write a dystopian novel. I'd never read it and think things could fall apart so fucking quickly.
>> No. 74603 Anonymous
26th June 2016
Sunday 1:34 am
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This is just beautiful. Life was so boring just a week ago. I am fucking loving this. I hope shit gets worse.
>> No. 74604 Anonymous
26th June 2016
Sunday 1:35 am
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This comment really made me laugh for some reason because it's not entirely something I wouldn't expect.
>> No. 74605 Anonymous
26th June 2016
Sunday 1:36 am
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>>74600
wew
>> No. 74606 Anonymous
26th June 2016
Sunday 1:39 am
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>>74605

THERE ARE STILL CUNTS DEFENDING HIM SAYING THAT THE PARTY NEEDS TO BE PURGED OF THESE EVIL BLAIRITES.

WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH THESE PEOPLE?

I'm going to bed before I have an aneurysm.
>> No. 74607 Anonymous
26th June 2016
Sunday 1:41 am
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>>74606
Why not? Those backstabbing cunts should just fuck off, and allow Corbyn to come out as a full on commie.
>> No. 74608 Anonymous
26th June 2016
Sunday 1:47 am
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>>74605
>> No. 74611 Anonymous
26th June 2016
Sunday 2:03 am
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>>74604
Why did you say it made you laugh for some reason right before stating the exact reason? Sort your life out mate.
>> No. 74626 Anonymous
26th June 2016
Sunday 8:31 am
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It's really kicking off now.
>> No. 74629 Anonymous
26th June 2016
Sunday 8:48 am
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>>74608
>> No. 74630 Anonymous
26th June 2016
Sunday 10:25 am
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Supposedly Gove is supporting Osborne for new Tory leader.


I hope Osborne and Boris get shot down in flames, even bloody Theresa May is starting to look for appealing.
>> No. 74633 Anonymous
26th June 2016
Sunday 12:05 pm
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Who do the Blairites actually want in charge of the party?
>> No. 74634 Anonymous
26th June 2016
Sunday 12:07 pm
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>>74633

Dan Jarvis.
>> No. 74635 Anonymous
26th June 2016
Sunday 12:30 pm
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>>74633
Themselves, I imagine.
>> No. 74637 Anonymous
26th June 2016
Sunday 12:40 pm
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>>74635 Someone more racist and more Tory-lite.

I do think we will now see politicians getting in competitions to be more and more racist. The more racist you are, the more you'll tap into "those disaffected working class leave voters..."
>> No. 74641 Anonymous
26th June 2016
Sunday 1:01 pm
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Six members of the ShadCab resigned so far this morning, David Miliband seen at Heathrow 'deep in conversation on the phone'. There's a seat in Batley and Spen that needs filling.
>> No. 74642 Anonymous
26th June 2016
Sunday 1:04 pm
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>>74641

Please God. Please fucking God.

David Miliband to the rescue. Would be amazing.
>> No. 74643 Anonymous
26th June 2016
Sunday 1:06 pm
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>>74637

In what possible way could you accuse Labour of being racist? You fucking dolt.
>> No. 74645 Anonymous
26th June 2016
Sunday 1:33 pm
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>>74633

I'm not a Blairite, but I am a pragmatist. I want a leader who stands a chance of actually winning an election. According to leaked polls commissioned by the Labour party, 29% of people who voted for Miliband at the last election won't vote for Corbyn. That sort of swing could result in a disastrous wilderness period for Labour. The next election will be punishingly difficult for Labour, because of the greatly reduced number of marginal seats.

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jun/26/hilary-benn-revolt-jeremy-corbyn
http://blogs.lse.ac.uk/politicsandpolicy/the-case-of-the-missing-marginals/

David Miliband would be my ideal candidate. Chuka Umunna would be a close second, but I doubt he'll have another go. I'd settle for any of the other leadership candidates, with Burnham being my pick of the bunch.
>> No. 74646 Anonymous
26th June 2016
Sunday 1:45 pm
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>>74643 You misunderstand - I'm saying they will try to become more racist to try to win votes.
>> No. 74650 Anonymous
26th June 2016
Sunday 2:21 pm
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>>74641

We're up to eight now.

Also:

>Corbyn office 'sabotaged' EU Remain campaign - sources

>documents passed to the BBC suggest Jeremy Corbyn's office sought to delay and water down the Labour Remain campaign. Sources suggest that they are evidence of "deliberate sabotage".

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-36633238
>> No. 74651 Anonymous
26th June 2016
Sunday 2:48 pm
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>>74645
>I'm not a Blairite, but I am a pragmatist.

What's the difference when pragmatic politics just leads to Blairite positions on every issue?
>> No. 74652 Anonymous
26th June 2016
Sunday 3:08 pm
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I really believed in this flaccid mop of a man, and I can't feel like enough of a fool.

He can't be any more useless to the UK if he tried. I am starting to think he was a secret leaver, but had to uphold some kind of dignity in his party - utter wank.

If he really gave a shit, like honestly gave an ounce of shit, he'd have organised marches, rallies, informed the youth, been a bit of a rabble-rouser and genuinely agitated the leave campaign. All we got was a shitty little pamphlet I can wipe my fucking arse with.

Fuck you Jeremy Cuntbyn.
>> No. 74653 Anonymous
26th June 2016
Sunday 3:22 pm
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>>74651

Bombing the fuck out of two countries isn't very pragmatic, if you ask me. Failing to build enough housing isn't very pragmatic. Locking yourself into 40-year PFI deals isn't very pragmatic.
>> No. 74654 Anonymous
26th June 2016
Sunday 3:28 pm
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Why do his MPs accuse him of being a weak leader when it's in fact them refusing to follow him? They've been undermining him since day one, he's had an impossible job and they have still convinced themselves that Corbyn's the problem, a little over a year since their brand of Labour handed the Tories a majority government.

Blairite arrogance is destroying the Labour party from within and without.
>> No. 74655 Anonymous
26th June 2016
Sunday 3:37 pm
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>>74654
How is he not weak?

Look at his response to the EU referendum. His campaign was damp and squalid, nobody changed their minds because of anything Jeremy said.

He's a stupid fucking cunt.
>> No. 74656 Anonymous
26th June 2016
Sunday 3:52 pm
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>>74652
He wasn't a 'secret' leaver. Before he took up his current job, he was pro-leave.
>> No. 74657 Anonymous
26th June 2016
Sunday 5:28 pm
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Corbyn wanted out, you can tell, because of the last 30 years or so of him demanding so.

I'm waiting for another leadership election, and for him to get voted back in with another big vote share.
>> No. 74658 Anonymous
26th June 2016
Sunday 5:49 pm
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>>74657
>Corbyn wanted out, you can tell, because of the last 30 years or so of him demanding so.

As a Brexit voter I am so glad Corbyn was in charge because we simply wouldn't have done it without him. Now they need to replace him with someone actually electable to take advantage of the upcoming Tory shitshow.
>> No. 74661 Anonymous
26th June 2016
Sunday 6:21 pm
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Tom Watson just said he wont back Corbyn for leader again.
>> No. 74663 Anonymous
26th June 2016
Sunday 6:56 pm
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>>74661
When Tom Watson is saying this, you're toast.
>> No. 74664 Anonymous
26th June 2016
Sunday 6:59 pm
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Jeremy is the ultimate selfish cockend.

Massive, massive cockend. He knows he is unelectable to all but the aboslute core of the far left in the UK yet he won't step down after his message has so far resonated with nobody.

Utter cunt. If he wins another leadership race I'm leaving the party.
>> No. 74666 Anonymous
26th June 2016
Sunday 7:16 pm
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>>74664
I'm leaving already. After 7 years of membership and campaigning. My own Blairite massive are to blame, too, they had the opportunities to get corbyn out and lead a good Labour In campaign, and they all sat back and twiddled their thumbs. All this coup stuff is 6 months too late. Corbyn has won. The UK is dead, and Labour's chances have gone with it.
>> No. 74667 Anonymous
26th June 2016
Sunday 7:20 pm
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>>74666
Labour's chances have been dead ever since they elected the wrong Miliband.
>> No. 74668 Anonymous
26th June 2016
Sunday 7:26 pm
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>>74667

Labour has been dead ever since it lost the working class to parties like BNP/UKIP.

If they can actually take this hint to stop pratting around with high-minded ideology and start actually representing their voters again, they'll be back in office before you can say "legitimising dolphin rape".
>> No. 74669 Anonymous
26th June 2016
Sunday 7:26 pm
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>>74667

It's sad how I am so desperate for some sort of hero in this situation.

Can Dan Jarvis use his army training to fuck Corbyn up and sweep into the leadership, rescue the working class vote and get us engaged with Europeagain ?

Can David sweep back, take Bately and Spen and save us?

Please lads.

Give me some fucking hope. Still hoping we just keep delaying Article 50.
>> No. 74670 Anonymous
26th June 2016
Sunday 7:26 pm
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It was clear last summer that Corbyn was only ever partially interested in keeping Britain in Europe and an honourable leader would bear the responsibility for the failure to persuade Labour voters to vote remain. After the general election, Ed Miliband took responsibility for the campaign’s failure. The decision that Britain took on Thursday was, arguably, more important than a general election. Corbyn’s job was to execute the decisions taken by the shadow cabinet, in the PLP, where over 200 of our MPs backed the remain campaign, by the trade unions, and at annual conference, which voted to back the remain position. He himself issued a note to all MPs on 17 September 2015 telling them that Labour would campaign to remain in the European Union. And yet he decided to go on holiday in the middle of the campaign. He did not visit the Labour heartlands of the north-east and instead raised esoteric issues such as TTIP which had no resonance on the doorstep.

This leads to me to the greatest betrayal and the final straw for many MPs. I have been told and shown evidence by an overwhelming number of unimpeachably neutral Labour remain staff that Corbyn’s office, for which he must take full responsibility, consistently attempted to weaken and sabotage the Labour remain campaign, in contravention of the party’s official position. For example, they resisted all polling and focus group evidence on message and tone, raised no campaign finance, failed to engage with the campaign delivery and deliberately weakened and damaged the argument Labour sought to make.

Corbyn made only a smattering of campaign appearances, and they were lacklustre in delivery and critical of the EU in tone resulting in Labour voters not knowing the party’s position or hearing our argument. Corbyn’s infrequent campaign appearances and narrow focus, in turned limited the party’s appeal.


https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jun/26/corbyn-must-resign-inadequate-leader-betrayal
>> No. 74673 Anonymous
26th June 2016
Sunday 7:33 pm
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>>74669
>take Bately and Spen

That position is already taken.
>> No. 74676 Anonymous
26th June 2016
Sunday 7:36 pm
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>>74669

>rescue the working class vote and get us engaged with Europeagain ?

Are you fucking daft or what lad.

If Labour tries to get us back on board with Europe, or even looks vaguely as though it might, it will literally spell the end of the party.

This vote is the first taste of influence the working class have had in the last 30 years of politics. It was largely a protest vote, made despite the knowledge of negative consequences. It was a vote cast because it was the only way of getting anyone to pay attention.

To brush them and their feelings off after such a loud and resounding statement of dissatisfaction is utter foolishness, whereas to make them feel understood is hat's going to win the next election. Nevermind candidates, the party that will win the next election is the one that delivers most focus on working class interests, and we haven't been in that position since Thatcher got in.

Seriously, does nobody get it, or is the modern left really just that far up its own arse? Good grief.
>> No. 74678 Anonymous
26th June 2016
Sunday 7:42 pm
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>>74654

A leader's authority comes primarily from two sources - being able to win votes in marginal seats, and the whip's office.

Corbyn fundamentally lacks appeal in the target seats Labour need to win from the Tories, and the seats that the Tories are trying to win. Many Labour MPs are deeply worried about losing their seat at the next election if Corbyn remains in power.

Corbyn has rebelled against the whips more than any MP in living memory, so he has zero credibility with them. He has shown zero loyalty to previous leaders, so MPs feel no obligation to show loyalty to him.
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26th June 2016
Sunday 7:47 pm
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>>74676

>If Labour tries to get us back on board with Europe, or even looks vaguely as though it might, it will literally spell the end of the party.

Why do the anti-Corbyn people not realise this? Why do they think the most unpopular positions will take Labour into power? They're so illogical I can see why people call them closet Tories, nothing they're doing makes sense, not even if you assume their motives to be entirely self serving.

>Seriously, does nobody get it, or is the modern left really just that far up its own arse?

I suppose when you grow up with a name like Hilary you either ignore reality or you simply don't make it.
>> No. 74681 Anonymous
26th June 2016
Sunday 7:47 pm
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>>74663
>It's very clear to me that we are heading for an early general election

Does he know something we don't?

>>74664
In fairness it seems like he put his name in the hat for a bit of a laugh with his mates but then it was too awkward and confusing to get out of it when it started taking off.

All he really wants to do is tend to his allotment and make jam but nowadays strangers keep asking him trick questions which they go on and laugh about within earshot 'oh what an old fool!' They say as his self esteem breaks once more. One morning he went off to buy milk in the same tracksuit he has worn since 1992 (his carer Laura says its a good idea to keep him active) when the paparazzi ambushed him commenting on his fashion choice like he is not entitled to a little dignity at his age. To top it off even his friends are calling him useless now. Its not his fault he forgot the words to the national anthem.

Alzheimers speaks, we only have to listen. I say we make him a special position of 'Chairman of Revolution' that gives him lots of time to make that jam simply everyone loves. He is a very valued member of British society and he can even have a medal to prove it! But lets keep him away from foreign dignitaries, we might never recover from that time he confused Xi Jinping with Mao.
>> No. 74684 Anonymous
26th June 2016
Sunday 7:53 pm
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>>74664

You have literally zero idea about which you speak, you are blinded by your own bias. People are reluctant to vote Labour because of the constant infighting, if his MPs had been on TV slamming the Tories instead of their own party for the last twelve months, that wavering 30% wouldn't exist.

The Blairites are insane, they're like people who've decided to bore a hole through a submarine because they fancy a drink.
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26th June 2016
Sunday 7:56 pm
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>>74676
>If Labour tries to get us back on board with Europe, or even looks vaguely as though it might, it will literally spell the end of the party.

What if Labour manages to win the argument and get itself elected using at least the 48% who voted remain. Then all that really needs to happen is another referendum where we get another negotiated position (I'm sure Merkel will let us have some token concessions) or leaving then and there.

It seems like this is what the lib dems are campaigning for and its a plan that seems to be working if the membership growth says anything.
>> No. 74686 Anonymous
26th June 2016
Sunday 7:58 pm
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>>74676

I honestly think we're seeing the fallout though. We've seen a party that didn't seek to promote what the EU did for those communities, but showed them basically how bad it would be if we left.

That, coupled with nobody actually making an effort with them. I asked voters on the doorstep who were vehemently leave if they'd care about migration as much if there was a special pot of money to help services in areas with high amounts.

Guess what, people weren't that arsed anymore.


You need middle England to win the election. Who in middle England is going to vote for the damp rag that is Corbyn?


They complain that Blairites don't know what they want or what the people want, but that's the thing, they do, they want to win the election, and that's why they've won the biggest majority for a long time in 97.

You need to be appealing to middle England to win, it's no good shouting from the sidelines about how pure your beliefs are if nobody will ever vote you in to enact them.
>> No. 74687 Anonymous
26th June 2016
Sunday 7:59 pm
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>>74684

No they're fucking not you cunt. I knock on doors for Labour and nobody ever says 'I won't vote for Labour because of Blairites or the fact they fight over Corbyn' they say 'I won't vote Labour because we've got a guy who is too far left, hates trident, hates UK sovereignty over part of Ireland and is too goody goody hummus eating prick who wants a socialist economy.'

Fuck me, Corbynites are delusional.
>> No. 74688 Anonymous
26th June 2016
Sunday 8:08 pm
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>>74685

That would be wonderful and totally viable if you assume everyone who voted remain is a lefty. Which they're not, because plenty of remain supporters are filthy rich and mainly wanted to remain because of the financial implications on their mortgages(s) and investments. In reality all you're going to do is split the left wing vote.

Looking at it from the other side, though, it's much easier to envision Labour taking back those working class votes it's haemorrhaged to the Conservatives/UKIP over the last 20 odd years. The Tories only won the last general election on the back of the promise of this very referendum- They didn't want Gideon's economic policies, but they considered it a lesser evil than letting Labour "open the floodgates".

The only people going back to Lib Dems will be studenty types who didn't vote for them last time purely because of the tuition fees thing. Flighty self-interest voters with no empathy for the public at large, who I'm glad to have siphoned off to a convenient third party holding pen.
>> No. 74689 Anonymous
26th June 2016
Sunday 8:09 pm
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>>74687
This. I work with six people in their 40s and 50s who are traditional Labour voters. Every single one of them thinks Corbyn is simply dreadful. Two of them have blamed Brexit on him.
>> No. 74691 Anonymous
26th June 2016
Sunday 8:24 pm
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>>74689

It's worth also noting that poor people tend to be very patriotic, it's all they have.

Their party of choice is currently run by a cunt who hates everything about the country in their eyes, hence the votes going to UKIP.

Corbyn has an irreversible image problem. I know he really likes football, he loves Arsenal, yet in my head I still can't picture him in the stadium cheering him on nearly as much as I can imagine Dave, Boris or even Farron and I know they're all robots in skin suits and Dave couldn't be less attached if he tried.

Corbyn represents the very thing northern lads and lasses hate, some London elite more worried about immigrants elsewhere than them who doesn't drink, doesn't eat meat and would look horrifically out of place in a pub.

The sooner Corbynites accept that being a withering party of strong left ideals is worse than being a strong party of diluted ideals, but ideals that become laws and go some way to helping the better.

I'm genuinely quite amazed that after winning two safe seat by elections and stalling in local council votes the best they can come up with is that there's a Blairite conspiracy.

It's fucking nuts. Join the fucking Trade Union Congress or Communist Party and stop ruining the chance that working people, who will in the end live with the austerity and shit, have to avoid more tory rule.

Selfish to the very core. Blairites want in, because they win. It really is that fucking simple.
>> No. 74694 Anonymous
26th June 2016
Sunday 8:34 pm
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>>74691
>even Farron

Farron strikes me as some sort of minor Cbeebies personality. I always expect at the end of proceedings he will make a pretend rainbow in the air before recapping on what's just happened or singing about it in a montage.
>> No. 74695 Anonymous
26th June 2016
Sunday 8:41 pm
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>>74691

But the Blairites of which you speak are also globalist neo-liberals; and the working classes have just demonstrated very clearly that they are still self aware enough not to trust those.

What labour needs is someone who is vaguely left, in an old fashioned, economic sense; the sort who remembers the miner's strikes and knows the suffering those provincial post-industrial towns. But someone who is at the same time, unashamed to say something like "I'm proud to be British", who doesn't flinch in that instinctual lefty self-loathing manner when they see a St. Georges cross.
>> No. 74697 Anonymous
26th June 2016
Sunday 8:43 pm
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>>74695

Exactly the kind of person I'm talking about and not the globalist neo-liberal you said I was.

It's Dan Jarvis by the way.

In case anybody missed the ex-solider, Queen liking, proud to be British normal working lad, it's Dan fucking Jarvis. Barnsley's finest.

I'm yet to see Blairites cringe at the flag as much as Corbynistas.
>> No. 74702 Anonymous
26th June 2016
Sunday 8:51 pm
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>>74695

I always felt like Tony Benn would've been an ideal figure in his day.
>> No. 74703 Anonymous
26th June 2016
Sunday 8:53 pm
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>>74697

Can he really be considered a Blairite then?

A Blairite, to me, is the sort of free-market soft-Tory yuppie who supports low-restrictions on immigration in order to maintain a structural surplus of labour, and fuel nebulous statistical "growth" at the cost of living standards.

Corbyn's a nutjob, but his overwhelming support from actual party members cannot be ignored. He must have something over the "Blairites".
>> No. 74706 Anonymous
26th June 2016
Sunday 9:07 pm
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>>74695
Dennis Skinner.
>> No. 74708 Anonymous
26th June 2016
Sunday 9:10 pm
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>>74706

Dennis Skinner for PM
>> No. 74710 Anonymous
26th June 2016
Sunday 9:16 pm
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>>74706>>74708

He was for leave.
>> No. 74718 Anonymous
26th June 2016
Sunday 9:31 pm
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>>74710

And?
>> No. 74719 Anonymous
26th June 2016
Sunday 9:37 pm
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Bryant makes 12/30. Rumour has it that Corbyn can't find enough volunteers to fill the cabinet vacancies.
>> No. 74720 Anonymous
26th June 2016
Sunday 9:40 pm
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>>74718
It means he's a fucking mong, you fucking mong.
>> No. 74721 Anonymous
26th June 2016
Sunday 9:43 pm
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So here's Jeremy on stage with what's left of his shadow cabinet.
>> No. 74722 Anonymous
26th June 2016
Sunday 9:53 pm
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>>74721
Funny how when a Labour MP gets murdered he finds the time to make a fucking effort and put on grown up clothes, but he instantly puts his communist costume back on to keep up his 'quirky left wing nice guy' image with his pea-brained simpleton cultists.
>> No. 74723 Anonymous
26th June 2016
Sunday 9:59 pm
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>>74720

It's a very real possibility, but only a minority of the electorate agrees with you.

We're talking realpolitik here kiddo. Do try keep up.
>> No. 74724 Anonymous
26th June 2016
Sunday 10:01 pm
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>>74688
>Which they're not, because plenty of remain supporters are filthy rich and mainly wanted to remain because of the financial implications on their mortgages(s) and investments.

What makes you think rich people won't vote labour or better yet a comfortable middle class party like the Liberal Democrats?

New Labour were hardly lobbing heads off in 1997.

>The only people going back to Lib Dems will be studenty types who didn't vote for them last time purely because of the tuition fees thing.

Actually Liberal Democrats have been shown to be the most educated out of the parties. Not 'studenty types' but from experience university lecturers and the like which conveniently explains why tuition fee rises was the coalition deal done.

I mean for God sake half the party has labour roots who left the last time the party went hard left.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2572187/The-secrets-ballot-box-Tories-earn-Labour-voters-rent-home-Lib-Dems-better-educated-Ukip-voters-white-retired.html

>>74694
That is just what Cumbrian's are like. Be honest though, wouldn't you like to give government by the CBBC a go? We'll be the happiest country on Earth once we send all the naughty-wordies and frowny-faces to happy camp. Plus you'll be able to sit in your council house smoking cannabis and nobody will be able to stop you.
>> No. 74725 Anonymous
26th June 2016
Sunday 10:01 pm
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Groaaaaann.... If only I could fuck off and go back to my stamps... The squash is ready, better sort that out soon... But when? There is this bollox to plough through... Oooh plough, I wonder if I can barter some jams for one? I bet Hugh Fearnley Whittingstall has got one, the organic prick, but he eats meat. Murderer
>> No. 74732 Anonymous
26th June 2016
Sunday 10:20 pm
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I have no idea who most of these people are. Also, Jez could have at least ironed his clothes.
>> No. 74735 Anonymous
26th June 2016
Sunday 11:01 pm
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>>74732
Only one of any real interest is Hilary Benn, and he's lucky to have lasted so long given he fucked over Jezza at every opportunity, and is a complete stain on his Dads reputation.

>>74708>>74706
Skinner should at least be deputy leader. He's arguably the best and most give a fuck MP the party has had.
>> No. 74736 Anonymous
26th June 2016
Sunday 11:03 pm
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>>74735
Today I learned that propping up someone's fucking shadow cabinet is 'fucking them over at every opportunity'. Corbyn should have been licking his shoes for keeping the party just about on-side. Instead he spat in the face of every MP outside of his batshit insane Trot fan club.
>> No. 74744 Anonymous
27th June 2016
Monday 12:05 am
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>>74736
Corbyn is safe in his position of Labour leader regardless of what his MPs think.
>> No. 74746 Anonymous
27th June 2016
Monday 12:05 am
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5NXMqdiZbes

(A good day to you Sir!)
>> No. 74749 Anonymous
27th June 2016
Monday 12:15 am
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>>74746

He's not the middle of a bell, he's not the side of a bell, he's not the base of a bell.
>> No. 74751 Anonymous
27th June 2016
Monday 1:08 am
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>>74746

Could you fuck off and take your 4chan shite elsewhere, like back to fucking 4chan, prick.

Dictated not read, an angry cunt.
>> No. 74752 Anonymous
27th June 2016
Monday 1:10 am
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>>74749

He's the end of a bell.
>> No. 74753 Anonymous
27th June 2016
Monday 1:15 am
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>>74751
If the mods start banning me for posting videos I've made, yes.
>> No. 74754 Anonymous
27th June 2016
Monday 1:23 am
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>>74691

>Join the fucking Trade Union Congress or Communist Party and stop ruining the chance that working people
>Trade Union Congress
>ruining the chance that working people

You've just demonstrated how spectacularly little you know about working people.
>> No. 74755 Anonymous
27th June 2016
Monday 1:26 am
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>>74697

>Barnsley's finest.

He's not even from Barnsley, he's from Nottingham. The same city which betrayed the South Yorkshire miners.
>> No. 74756 Anonymous
27th June 2016
Monday 1:30 am
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>>74753

You should be banned for making such awful videos, to be fair.
>> No. 74757 Anonymous
27th June 2016
Monday 1:32 am
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>>74735

Skinner makes it clear every time he speaks that he's not interested in serving in anyone's Cabinet.
>> No. 74759 Anonymous
27th June 2016
Monday 1:37 am
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>>74756
I have taken your criticisms on board and will strive to do better.
>> No. 74760 Anonymous
27th June 2016
Monday 2:08 am
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>Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn has said he will stand in any new leadership election, and reshape his shadow cabinet over the next 24 hours.

Shiiiiiiit.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-36632956
>> No. 74761 Anonymous
27th June 2016
Monday 2:16 am
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>>74760

My prediction is that the overwhelming majority of MPs will vote against him, but there will be the same landslide of labour members who voted with him last time keeping him as leader.
>> No. 74762 Anonymous
27th June 2016
Monday 2:39 am
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>>74760

I'm hoping he's told himself "I am literally right about everything and these titbrains are actually just thickos and I'm the Daddy and they're not so fuck them", or something to that effect. Not because I think he is right about everything, but the only thing he can do now is get some guts and start knocking heads together, as far as I can tell.

I mean, the Blairite opposition want to start re-campaigning for the EU, even though their big complaint about Corbyn is his appeal isn't wide enough. Is contradictory not a word they've been taught?
>> No. 74763 Anonymous
27th June 2016
Monday 3:34 am
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>>74760
That man has balls like Trump's. Massive and forged from stainless steel. He's responded to the challenge with an almighty "μολὼν λαβέ", and he's probably going the same way.
>> No. 74764 Anonymous
27th June 2016
Monday 3:39 am
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>>74763

> μολὼν λαβέ

Couldn't you have just written molon labe instead of copy and pasting that off wikipedia? Christ.
>> No. 74765 Anonymous
27th June 2016
Monday 3:52 am
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>>74764
That still wouldn't have a clearer meaning.
>> No. 74766 Anonymous
27th June 2016
Monday 4:07 am
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>>74764

I quite like it, but that's mainly because I think that unicode is the absolute tits.

𝕴 𝖒𝖊𝖆𝖓, 𝖈𝖍𝖊𝖈𝖐 𝖙𝖍𝖎𝖘 𝖘𝖍𝖎𝖙 𝖔𝖚𝖙.
𝓢𝓮𝓻𝓲𝓸𝓾𝓼𝓵𝔂, 𝓲𝓽'𝓼 𝓮𝓰𝓻𝓮𝓰𝓲𝓸𝓾𝓼𝓵𝔂 𝓪𝔀𝓮𝓼𝓸𝓶𝓮.
˙ʇı ʞɔnɟ ʇnq 'ʍou ɓuıʎouuɐ ɓuıǝq ʇsnɾ ɯ,I
ငါသည်ခပ်သိမ်းသောဘာသာစကားများရှိနိုင်ပါသည်။
ང་ཚོས་ཁོང་ལ་ཕྱག་དེབ་ཅིག་ཕུལ་པ་ཡིན།
O̷̼͓̤̣͕͍̠͍͝ͅͅM̵̶̛̙̟̫͇̪̖̯͕̩̝E͏̡̢̤͈̩͍̯̗͕͎͎̥̫̘̙͖͇̤̻͢͜ò̦̳͈̰̩̣̙͇̖̭̪̲͖̤͡͝ͅͅͅn̷͉̼̱͉͎̜̰͜_Ȩ̷̝̦͕̮̫͇͖̪̪̀͟͝ͅ ̶̱̳̼̝͖̹̹̻̣̺͓̜͜͞͡Ś̴̢̛̥̪̭̳̥̞̩̞̙̼͍̟̗̻̮͟A̵̛̮̪̗͎̺̼̯̠̘͉̼͠ͅi҉̩͔͖̳̰͕͉͕͓̘͚͙͔̰̦͔̜͘͝ͅd̥͔͖̥̠͎̻͍̣̯̞̗͇͜͜ ̕͞͏̰͕̠a̴̭̟̠̞̳͇̙͕̻̫̘̭͈̲̹̕͠ņ͉̣̻̩͜_ṇ̵̢̼̺͎͟ͅó̡҉̼̫̳͙̰͔ͅÝ̶̲̞͇̪͈̥̮̫̹͕͡Į̶̛͖͕͔̩͖̼_N̷̜̩̜̤̲̬̞̯͘͜G̟͍͔̹̣͈͢͡?̡̹̹̟͖̕͟͜͠
>> No. 74769 Anonymous
27th June 2016
Monday 10:27 am
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>>74764
Powell was right. Make classical references explicit so everyone knowsthey're classical references.
>> No. 74779 Anonymous
27th June 2016
Monday 12:24 pm
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>>74766

𝕴 𝖙𝖔𝖔 𝖙𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖐 𝕱𝖗𝖆𝖐𝖙𝖚𝖗 𝖎𝖘 𝖈𝖔𝖔𝖑.
>> No. 74786 Anonymous
27th June 2016
Monday 12:55 pm
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I can't count the number of resignations today, it's a total massacre. Many resignations coming from the left of the party, making accusations of a "Blairite coup" increasingly untenable.

Most of yesterday's cabinet vacancies have been filled, but it looks like shuffling the deckchairs on the Titanic.

http://labourlist.org/2016/06/liveblog-shadow-cabinet-resignations/
>> No. 74787 Anonymous
27th June 2016
Monday 1:02 pm
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>>74786
18 down.
>> No. 74790 Anonymous
27th June 2016
Monday 1:07 pm
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Is he going to hang on until Chilcot on the 6th and go down in a blaze of glory calling Blair a traitorous warmongering cunt?
>> No. 74792 Anonymous
27th June 2016
Monday 1:17 pm
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>>74787

I think we're up to 19 now - Kate Green resigned about five minutes ago.

>>74790

Fuck knows. I can't see any discernible plan in Jezza's actions.
>> No. 74793 Anonymous
27th June 2016
Monday 1:19 pm
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>>74792
I think it might be easier to track who's still there and isn't called Abbott or O'Donnell.
>> No. 74799 Anonymous
27th June 2016
Monday 2:27 pm
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20. No more Luciana Berger.
>> No. 74800 Anonymous
27th June 2016
Monday 2:32 pm
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So yesterday we had 11 down. Today we've had Bryant, Nandy, Owen Smith, Griffith, Green, Healey, and the Eagle twins.

That leaves 11 pre-crisis names in the Shadow Cabinet. Or it would be, but in the time it took me to look this up and type up this post, it's been announced that Luciana Berger has gone.

So it's 20 down, 10 to go.
>> No. 74802 Anonymous
27th June 2016
Monday 2:52 pm
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>If this sounds like a patronising plan to parachute the north London intelligentsia into northern communities to ensure they don’t make the same mistake twice... Get fucked, as they say in Warrington.

What an obnoxious cunt.
>> No. 74805 Anonymous
27th June 2016
Monday 3:03 pm
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>>74802
>now Londoners are petitioning to leave the UK.
We are? I'm not ok with this if it means losing the internet... hub things that make us important in the digital realm. Whatever they're called.

How the fuck does a capital city secede from its own country anyway?
>> No. 74806 Anonymous
27th June 2016
Monday 3:05 pm
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>>74805
All you need is a good dose of bumflustery and a spoonful of sugar.
>> No. 74807 Anonymous
27th June 2016
Monday 3:06 pm
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>>74805
>We are? I'm not ok with this if it means losing the internet... hub things that make us important in the digital realm.
Who's "we"? If "we" is London, then presumably as they're in London you get to take them with you and the rest of us in the provinces will find our packets will need visas to get into LINX.
>> No. 74809 Anonymous
27th June 2016
Monday 3:09 pm
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>>74807
>If "we" is London
That was the implication
GCHQ isn't in London though, I'm not sure what we'd do with all that data. Just leave it not-spied on? How un-English.
It's an interesting suggestion but also seems totally unworkable and stupid.
>> No. 74815 Anonymous
27th June 2016
Monday 3:28 pm
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>>74807

LINX have IXPs in Manchester, Cardiff and Edinburgh, but I think all of the international stuff is routed via the London POPs.

We could always have a local internet for local people.
>> No. 74816 Anonymous
27th June 2016
Monday 4:05 pm
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Two of the peers have said that while not resigning outright they won't be attending Shadow Cabinet meetings.

Then there were eight.
>> No. 74817 Anonymous
27th June 2016
Monday 5:26 pm
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At what point do the resignations end, they said 32 have gone on the radio, and do we actually end up with a proper leadership election?
>> No. 74818 Anonymous
27th June 2016
Monday 5:31 pm
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>>74817
Not counting Corbyn himself, there are only 30 positions in the Shadow Cabinet. 19 have resigned, Benn got the sack, and two have said they're not going to attend. Most of those who are left are loyal to him, and a couple of others are staying for the sake of unity (e.g. Tom Watson and Andy Burnham). If he wants to hold on, I think they may be able to do something at conference, but I've heard talk of six months until a new leader is in post.
>> No. 74820 Anonymous
27th June 2016
Monday 5:57 pm
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What positions does Jeremy Corbyn need to fill?

Shadow cabinet:

Shadow first minister of state
Shadow business secretary
Shadow justice secretary
Shadow housing secretary
Shadow energy and climate change secretary
Shadow work and pensions secretary
Shadow Scotland secretary
Shadow attorney general
Shadow leader in the House of Commons
Shadow minister for women and equalities
Shadow Wales secretary
Shadow cabinet minister for mental health
Shadow culture, media and sport secretary

Labour front bench:

Shadow business minister
Shadow Home Office minister
Shadow foreign minister
Shadow housing minister
Shadow defence minister
Shadow education minister
Shadow minister for civil society
Shadow minister for local government
Shadow DEFRA minister
Shadow Scotland minister
Shadow Wales minister

It's going to be a long night at Labour HQ.
>> No. 74822 Anonymous
27th June 2016
Monday 6:20 pm
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>>74820 What positions does Jeremy Corbyn need to fill?

Given how effective he's been in opposition so far? None of them. Nobody will notice or care.
>> No. 74823 Anonymous
27th June 2016
Monday 6:21 pm
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>>74820
So basically he's still missing half a Shadow Cabinet. Cameron even joked to Sadiq's replacement that she should keep her phone on in case there's a job offer coming.
>> No. 74831 Anonymous
27th June 2016
Monday 10:19 pm
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>> No. 74834 Anonymous
27th June 2016
Monday 10:51 pm
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>>74831

Rowling is a bellend, but the increasingly vicious political culture is starting to worry me. The referendum was supposed to put the Europe issue to bed, but it seems to have opened a lot of old wounds and made a few new ones to boot.
>> No. 74835 Anonymous
27th June 2016
Monday 11:00 pm
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>>74834
Whatever you think of her, that tweet is spot on. What on earth were that bunch of losers doing on parliament square today?

If I were a conspiracy theorist, I would suggest many of them were government plants. But I'm not, so lets not go there.
>> No. 74836 Anonymous
27th June 2016
Monday 11:12 pm
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The state of this.
>> No. 74837 Anonymous
27th June 2016
Monday 11:17 pm
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>>74835

>But I'm not, so lets not go there.

Then stop taking us there.
>> No. 74839 Anonymous
27th June 2016
Monday 11:19 pm
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>>74836

Fuck me, the Spartacists. I thought they had gone out with Spangles and deely boppers.
>> No. 74842 Anonymous
27th June 2016
Monday 11:24 pm
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>>74836
What a shame. Today would have been a lovely day to detonate a nuke in the vicinity of Parliament.
>> No. 74843 Anonymous
27th June 2016
Monday 11:30 pm
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>>74836
The Waitrose carrier bag says all that needs to be said.
>> No. 74844 Anonymous
27th June 2016
Monday 11:33 pm
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Is it time for ARE DAVE to come in and take his place as the hero we need?
>> No. 74845 Anonymous
27th June 2016
Monday 11:36 pm
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>>74844
There is no time. Labour let the Trotjan horse in through the gates, they ignored the warning that it was packed full of arsonists, and now Troy is in flames. It's over. There is nothing to rescue or to win. The UK is finished, and so is the Labour party.
>> No. 74847 Anonymous
28th June 2016
Tuesday 1:14 am
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>>74844
Why would Corbyn allow that?
>> No. 74853 Anonymous
28th June 2016
Tuesday 2:51 am
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>>74845

Salty-eyed Blairite detected!
>> No. 74854 Anonymous
28th June 2016
Tuesday 3:17 am
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>>74844

Inshallah.
>> No. 74855 Anonymous
28th June 2016
Tuesday 3:24 am
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As a right winger I'm pretty split on the Inferior Miliband. On the one hand he'd offer a serious opposition to the Tories that still wouldnt win a majority. On the other hand he would help to remove the cancerous aspect of the Left.

On the other, possibly more beneficial side, he'd exacerbate the divide between Labour and UKIP and thus lead to the destruction of Labour in the north.

We'll see.
>> No. 74856 Anonymous
28th June 2016
Tuesday 3:30 am
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>>74845

If the UK is finished why would we even need a UK Labour Party?
>> No. 74857 Anonymous
28th June 2016
Tuesday 11:25 am
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I'm being dim. I thought the conservatives were supposed to be tearing themselves apart. Does that come next?
>> No. 74858 Anonymous
28th June 2016
Tuesday 12:47 pm
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>>74855

A weak opposition is bad for all of us. The more twattish aspects of Blair could have been kept in check if Hague, IDS and Howard weren't such useless bastards. The north would be in a much better state today if Labour had found a better leader than Foot. It doesn't matter which side you're on - a credible opposition keeps the government honest.
>> No. 74859 Anonymous
28th June 2016
Tuesday 5:15 pm
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172/40. Corbyn won't resign so he can stand in a new leadership contest. He will win that. The party implode.
>> No. 74860 Anonymous
28th June 2016
Tuesday 5:36 pm
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>>74859
I hope, in his winning speech he essentially lays down the law. Agree with the will of the people, or fuck off and join Ukip.
>> No. 74861 Anonymous
28th June 2016
Tuesday 5:41 pm
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>>74860
They'd probably join the Lib Dems or create a new party with some form of God awful name that wouldn't sound out of place as one of the teams on The Apprentice.
>> No. 74865 Anonymous
28th June 2016
Tuesday 6:16 pm
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Can somebody explain to me why Corbynites masturbate over a mandate that was given by people paying £3 to vote, who effectively come from tory ranks and form SWP and other far left groups to get Corbyn in, even though he's leading Labour to electoral oblivion?

Where's the sense? It's like far right tories choosing somebody who would dismantle the NHS, scrap benefits and try and relaunch empire. Nobody but the extremes are interested in it and it would never get them elected, so what's the point? The public like the moderate and the safe.


He's a real cunt for putting himself above party - it's the working class people that will have to live with the consequences when Labour face electoral oblivion.
>> No. 74866 Anonymous
28th June 2016
Tuesday 6:29 pm
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>>74865

If you can veiw the EU result and general UKIP popularity as a working class protest vote, then Corbyn is a lefty protest vote. The message is not "we want Corbyn and his nutter ideas about scrapping Trident", the message is "we'd rather have Corbyn and his nutter ideas about scrapping Trident than any of you venal self-serving pricks".

Labour needs to listen to its people, but instead it's busy waving its arms around telling it's people they're idiots. That is THE problem Labour has had for the past ten, fifteen years.
>> No. 74867 Anonymous
28th June 2016
Tuesday 6:29 pm
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>>74865

>He's a real cunt for putting himself above party - it's the working class people that will have to live with the consequences when Labour face electoral oblivion.

Don't pretend Labour give a flying fuck about the working class except when they're up for re-election. They're a bunch of new money, fart sniffing, pseudo-intellectual wankers who like to pretend they give a fuck to make themselves feel better.

(A good day to you Sir!)
>> No. 74868 Anonymous
28th June 2016
Tuesday 6:33 pm
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>>74867

That, coincidentally, is a woman occupying a great office of state in his shadow cabinet, who is just like him, more concerned with ideology than actually helping the working class.

Labour are far out of touch, but the working class still fare better without the likes of Phillip Davies getting a big say.

>>74866
I don't get this - how is it self-serving to want your party to win and get the government you'd like?

The left should start their own hard left party if they're confident that people want that and they can do things like be hard left and oppose the EU and nationalise everything.

Oh wait, they have several - nobody ever fucking votes for them.


The sooner people realise that the public are centrist, and that's why major parties sink toward it, the better. The vast majority of people working day to day don't want some sort of revolution and full communism nor do they want to relaunch empire, they just want things to gradually improve or stay the same.
>> No. 74869 Anonymous
28th June 2016
Tuesday 6:37 pm
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>>74868
>The left should start their own hard left party if they're confident that people want that

They've already got one - however seeing Corbyn had a chance, they've swarmed into Labour as crypto-Trot entryists. This is why you see SWP literature everywhere at anything Corbyn is involved in. The fucking mongs propping him up aren't interested in supporting the Labour party as a net, just their isolated loon gang currently occupying the top (increasingly empty) office.

I realise this point isn't contrary to yours but it's more for the benefit of other readers.
>> No. 74870 Anonymous
28th June 2016
Tuesday 6:51 pm
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>>74865
> - it's the working class people that will have to live with the consequences when Labour face electoral oblivion.

They also hate Labour.
>> No. 74871 Anonymous
28th June 2016
Tuesday 6:58 pm
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>>74860

Last time that happened, the only winners were the Tory party.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_Democratic_Party_(UK)

>>74865

I think it's a combination of wishful thinking and narcissism. Either Corbyn supporters don't realise that undecided voters can't stand Corbyn, or they don't care. Perhaps they believe both simultaneously. You hear a lot of rhetoric about Corbyn being the "real socialist alternative that working people have been crying out for", but, more quietly, you also hear "I don't care if he's unelectable, I'd rather have a socialist opposition than a Blairite government".

From my conversations with Corbynistas, it seems that a lot of them don't care what happens to the country as long as they get to say "I told you so".

The constituency Labour parties are perhaps in greater disarray than the parliamentary party. There's a huge amount of resentment brewing at the grass roots. In my local CLP, Corbynistas make up >90% of the activity on the Facebook group, <10% of attendees at meetings and 0% of people who went leafleting in the referendum campaign.

My nan joined the Labour party in 1948 and has campaigned at every election since. Like most pre-Corbyn members I know, she feels that the party has been hijacked by a bunch of Johnny-come-latelies who can't even be bothered to pay full subs.

This whole affair is a tragedy.
>> No. 74872 Anonymous
28th June 2016
Tuesday 6:59 pm
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>Corbynistas make up >90% of the activity on the Facebook group, <10% of attendees at meetings and 0% of people who went leafleting in the referendum campaign.

Oh how I know this feeling all too well.
>> No. 74873 Anonymous
28th June 2016
Tuesday 7:17 pm
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>>74870

Yes, because Labour have spent years pandering to the organic Balinese couscous eating smug as fuck pseudocock titends of the Guardian reading middle class.
>> No. 74874 Anonymous
28th June 2016
Tuesday 7:26 pm
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Hitchins dream is coming true, the corpses of labour and tory may end up on the scrap heap... or in the least find leaders that are in touch with the populace?
>> No. 74875 Anonymous
28th June 2016
Tuesday 7:26 pm
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>>74873

I love this from the Corbynites, everybody who thinks Jeremy is shit is just an evil Blairite who can be judged if they dare insult the precious leader and not necessarily his ideals.

A newer, kinder politics.
>> No. 74877 Anonymous
28th June 2016
Tuesday 8:08 pm
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>>74869
>This is why you see SWP literature everywhere at anything Corbyn is involved in.

I saw a post on the Graun today hinting that they are false flags, because anyone can print off the SWP logo and stick it on a banner.
>> No. 74878 Anonymous
28th June 2016
Tuesday 8:13 pm
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>>74877
>It's the media!
>It's the PLP they're just right wing tory fascists!
>It's just a false flag
>We're the kinder politics unless you agree with us, then we want you dead! But we're morally superior
>We'd rather be unelectable and be hard left than soft and actually get somewhere!

Fuck me. The desperation and justification is mentally draining.
>> No. 74880 Anonymous
28th June 2016
Tuesday 8:22 pm
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>>74878

If you find this exercise mentally draining, consider that you may be getting out exactly the quality of the debate you're putting in.
>> No. 74881 Anonymous
28th June 2016
Tuesday 9:04 pm
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>>74880

Considered it, what now? There is nobody I'm debating with.

Merely passing comment on how delusional the Corbynites are. I'm not feeding any debate as it were, just a bystander passing his bystander comment.
>> No. 74882 Anonymous
28th June 2016
Tuesday 9:23 pm
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Get yer tits out for da Corbz
>> No. 74883 Anonymous
28th June 2016
Tuesday 9:26 pm
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>>74882
Is that a chain dangling off her cleavage?
>> No. 74884 Anonymous
28th June 2016
Tuesday 9:28 pm
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>>74881

Don't mind Tarquin, he still suffers flashbacks from 'Bridge. Sometimes he just pops out for a pint of milk and starts screaming at the checkout girl about "Oxie" coming through the tall grass towards him across "the quad".
>> No. 74885 Anonymous
28th June 2016
Tuesday 9:48 pm
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>>74871
>My nan joined the Labour party in 1948 and has campaigned at every election since. Like most pre-Corbyn members I know, she feels that the party has been hijacked by a bunch of Johnny-come-latelies who can't even be bothered to pay full subs.
Then you should inform your nan that as well as being supported by the £3 sign-ups, Corbyn was the first choice of affiliate voters and Labour members, including those whose membership went back to the pre-Miliband years.
>> No. 74887 Anonymous
28th June 2016
Tuesday 10:06 pm
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>>74884
>flashbacks from 'Bridge
>coming through the tall grass towards him across "the quad".

You're showing your ignorance there matey, "the quad" is an Oxon term. In 'Bridge they're called "courts".
>> No. 74888 Anonymous
28th June 2016
Tuesday 10:23 pm
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>>74887
It's alright, Tarq, the plebs can't touch you through the internet.

(A good day to you Sir!)
>> No. 74889 Anonymous
28th June 2016
Tuesday 10:43 pm
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>>74887
What are you discussing?
>> No. 74890 Anonymous
28th June 2016
Tuesday 10:47 pm
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>>74885
Get back to managing your grid Seamus.
>> No. 74892 Anonymous
28th June 2016
Tuesday 10:53 pm
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>>74889
The correct name for the playgrounds in Oxbridge colleges.
>> No. 74893 Anonymous
28th June 2016
Tuesday 10:53 pm
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>There's obligations to be met to be the official opposition in the HofC. Lab now can't meet then. Tomorrow the SNP will seek to replace them.

https://twitter.com/PeteWishart/status/747898026157608965
>> No. 74895 Anonymous
28th June 2016
Tuesday 10:57 pm
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>>74893
I'm betting that'll be as successful as Sturgeon's meeting with Donald Tusk.
>> No. 74896 Anonymous
28th June 2016
Tuesday 11:20 pm
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>>74892
Playgrounds?
>> No. 74897 Anonymous
28th June 2016
Tuesday 11:31 pm
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>>74896
You know, where all the intellectuals hang out at break time.
>> No. 74898 Anonymous
28th June 2016
Tuesday 11:34 pm
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>>74897

Talk about posh privilege. At my comprehensive anyone with a reading age above 8 had to hide out in the library at break time.
>> No. 74902 Anonymous
29th June 2016
Wednesday 5:18 pm
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Special Ed, Harriet Harperson and Camoron have all told Dear Leader he should resign.
>> No. 74903 Anonymous
29th June 2016
Wednesday 5:54 pm
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>>74902
All the more reason not to.
>> No. 74904 Anonymous
29th June 2016
Wednesday 5:56 pm
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Unbelievably selfish cunt.

Derail a whole movement because you think you're more important than the party.

They forget that if Blair never moved to the centre we'd never have seen the rapid increase in nurses, doctors, hospitals, minimum wage, 75% reduction in long term youth unemployment, highest increase in literacy on record etc.

Fuck Corbyn.
>> No. 74906 Anonymous
29th June 2016
Wednesday 5:56 pm
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>>74897

I think you'll find it's the plebs that have to wait for some figure of authority to announce that that may take a break.
>> No. 74907 Anonymous
29th June 2016
Wednesday 6:10 pm
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>>74904
The people want him. The people voted him in. They will vote for labour. His shtick is what the people want. MP's and political parties should serve the will of their supporters not tell them what's best for them.
>> No. 74908 Anonymous
29th June 2016
Wednesday 6:20 pm
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>>74907
His shtick is what Labour member want. The Labour MPs know this is not what voters want.
>> No. 74909 Anonymous
29th June 2016
Wednesday 6:33 pm
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>>74908
No, the Labour MPs know this is not what they want. If they were interested in appealing to voters, they would be taking advantage of the disarray in the Conservative party instead of doing their best to outdo their incompetence.
>> No. 74910 Anonymous
29th June 2016
Wednesday 6:35 pm
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>>74907

Corbyn has the lowest approval ratings of any opposition leader in the history of opinion polling.

Party members want Corbyn, but the electorate don't. The job of MPs is to represent their constituents, not party members. They are acting entirely correctly in rejecting Corbyn.
>> No. 74911 Anonymous
29th June 2016
Wednesday 6:37 pm
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>>74909
It's not what they or their constituents want. All available evidence shows that people in this country do not want a socialist government. Whether you personally want this or not is irrelevant when Corbyn is making Labour unelectable to the majority of centre-ground voters.
>> No. 74912 Anonymous
29th June 2016
Wednesday 6:41 pm
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>>74909
Voters are not going to turn to Corbyn in any scenario.
>> No. 74913 Anonymous
29th June 2016
Wednesday 6:44 pm
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>>74911
Socialism is more favourably viewed than capitalism, Corbyn is barely to the left of the SDP, and, again, if Labour MPs were interested in making Corbyn electable, they probably wouldn't have spent his tenure as leader shouting about how unelectable he is and undermining him.
>> No. 74914 Anonymous
29th June 2016
Wednesday 6:54 pm
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>>74913
>Socialism is more favourably viewed than capitalism,

Evidence for your assertion? I doubt this is the case given that the top three reasons non-voters gave for not voting for Labour in May were "They would spend too much and can't be trusted with the economy", "They would make it too easy for people to live on benefits" and "They would raise taxes" according to TUC data. Doesn't exactly sound like people who support the ideals of socialism.
>> No. 74915 Anonymous
29th June 2016
Wednesday 6:55 pm
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>>74907

He also has a duty to the party, it's staff, MPs, Cllrs and all those who voted for them at the last general eelction not to fuck this up.

A load of SWP members paying £3 and kicking up a fuss on Facebook aren't the be all and end all. End this meme.
>> No. 74916 Anonymous
29th June 2016
Wednesday 7:18 pm
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>>74913
>Socialism is more favourably viewed than capitalism

And yet, mysteriously, never really voted for.

>they probably wouldn't have spent his tenure as leader shouting about how unelectable he is and undermining him.

Just as well they didn't, then.
>> No. 74917 Anonymous
29th June 2016
Wednesday 7:19 pm
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>>74914
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/socialism-is-more-popular-with-the-british-public-than-capitalism-survey-finds-a6892371.html

Leaving aside your caricature of what socialism means, "they would raise taxes" was joint 4th with 14% according to your own data.

>>74915
Corbyn won with long time members and affiliates as well as the £3 sign ups, so you can end that fucking meme for starters.
>> No. 74918 Anonymous
29th June 2016
Wednesday 7:20 pm
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>>74916
It's not all that mysterious that people don't vote for something they aren't given a chance to vote for, m8.
>> No. 74919 Anonymous
29th June 2016
Wednesday 7:30 pm
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>>74917
You'll notice I was talking about the data given by non-voters.

Besides, given the damning indictment of our national ignorance shown by Brexit I doubt that even half of the population really knows what 'socialism' and 'capitalism' are. Which makes me wonder about the selection bias of that survey.
>> No. 74920 Anonymous
29th June 2016
Wednesday 7:39 pm
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>>74918
Ah of course, there are no true socialists standing at elections.

The eternal socialist bind - if someone calls themselves a socialist, they're not, they're just a splitter!
>> No. 74921 Anonymous
29th June 2016
Wednesday 7:40 pm
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>>74919
My mistake. And it's very strange to say the electorate is adamant about their opposition to something and then admit that they probably aren't particularly sure about what that something is.
>> No. 74922 Anonymous
29th June 2016
Wednesday 7:46 pm
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>>74920
People haven't been given the chance to vote for a serious socialist party with a snowball's chance in hell of winning any sort of power under FPTP, mate. Chalking up the fact that people don't vote for the SWP or whatever other socialist cults/multi-level-marketing scams stand in their constituency to wholesale opposition to socialism as an ideology is a mite shortsighted.
>> No. 74923 Anonymous
29th June 2016
Wednesday 7:46 pm
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>>74921
>And it's very strange to say the electorate is adamant about their opposition to something and then admit that they probably aren't particularly sure about what that something is.

That says more about you than it does the electorate.
>> No. 74924 Anonymous
29th June 2016
Wednesday 7:51 pm
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>>74917

Yes, but he isn't going to win with them now, that's the point.

>>74922

People haven't been given the chance to vote for one with a serious chance because they're simply not popular enough. People don't want a serious socialist party. End of.

Complain that people aren't smart enough, the system is rigged, but people want moderation.
>> No. 74925 Anonymous
29th June 2016
Wednesday 7:56 pm
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I'm talking out of my arse here chaps, but over the last few months it has seemed like my arse is actually pretty well in tune with the way the country feels (even if it doesn't represent my own personally held values).

I reckon the British public like the idea of socialism. But what they don't like is all the... You know... Socialism. They don't like the ties to nonsensical grass-roots hippy activist shite. What they want out of socialism is strong workers rights, a robust welfare state (that doesn't encourage abuse), and good funding and provision for our public services- Namely healthcare, education, police, and fire. I even get the feeling that a good number of people would be fine with things like the re-nationalisation of trains and utilities. They just don't want it to be tied into a load of save-the-trees, meat-is-murder, cycle-to-work sort of stuff.

Basically, the people of this country generally support consumer capitalism, but would welcome public ownership of the general infrastructure "backbone" of the country, because those things should be there as a simple, reliable service and not a profit-motivated business. In general, the British people are not hard-line free market radicals, but neither are they total and utter Marxists.

If there was a vaguely left-wing politician who ran on a back-to-basics approach where they made as little fuss about social issues as possible, and focussed more on a "running the country sensibly" sort of approach, I think they'd do very well.
>> No. 74926 Anonymous
29th June 2016
Wednesday 8:00 pm
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>>74925
>What they want out of socialism is strong workers rights, a robust welfare state (that doesn't encourage abuse), and good funding and provision for our public services- Namely healthcare, education, police, and fire....

>Basically, the people of this country generally support consumer capitalism, but would welcome public ownership of the general infrastructure "backbone" of the country, because those things should be there as a simple, reliable service and not a profit-motivated business.

You have pretty much just described Tony Blair's platform.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UwWfE4DAyao
>> No. 74927 Anonymous
29th June 2016
Wednesday 8:02 pm
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>>74925

This is where the Labour Party is so out of touch outside of North London, we've known this for years mate.

Working people in Rochdale, Manchester, Liverpool, Barnsley just want an effective welfare state but they sitll like the Queen, like having a greasy burger and a pint and don't really like mass immigration.

A party that was truly socially conservative but economically socialist would be a treat, provided they don't go full national socialist.

This is where UKIP clean up, they're seen by working classes (Wrongly I might add) as being left economically, i.e. free tuition for STEM, pretending to like the NHS, etc but also maintaining a proud veil of the UK.


What Labour needs is Dan Jarvis. Ex soldier, not afraid to say he loves Britain or the Queen but just a common sense decent bloke. That's what Labour needs, but instead they're nominating Angela Eagle.

Go figure.
>> No. 74928 Anonymous
29th June 2016
Wednesday 8:04 pm
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>>74927
Honestly I think Eagle is the snowplough for Jarvis. Jarvis needs some more time to develop his network within the party to make a real go of leadership, but I think he would be a cracker.
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29th June 2016
Wednesday 8:07 pm
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>>74927
>What Labour needs is Dan Jarvis. Ex soldier, not afraid to say he loves Britain or the Queen but just a common sense decent bloke.
What, and risk people voting for the Lib Dems again?
>> No. 74930 Anonymous
29th June 2016
Wednesday 8:10 pm
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>>74926
Weird how someone with that platform had such a hard on for PFI, isn't it?
>> No. 74931 Anonymous
29th June 2016
Wednesday 8:11 pm
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>>74925
Well said. If I ever meet you I'll buy your arse a pint.
>> No. 74932 Anonymous
29th June 2016
Wednesday 8:12 pm
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>>74926

Except Tony Blair still left tons of messy public-private contracts behind, began the NHS descent into PFI madness, etc etc. That was his platform maybe, but in reality he was a thinly disguised Thatcherite.

Let's not even mention the wars.

I respect that overall the "Blairite" thing is a sensible economic/ideological middle ground, but the baggage is too cancerous and fresh in the memory to make it electorally viable. We need something fresh, even if it does end up being very similar in content- We just can't afford to have it associated with the New Labour brand whatsoever.
>> No. 74933 Anonymous
29th June 2016
Wednesday 8:25 pm
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>>74932
What Blair ended up doing has nothing to do with the platform that won.

Pay a bit more attention lad.
>> No. 74934 Anonymous
29th June 2016
Wednesday 8:31 pm
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>>74928

Cos he was a soldier? Is that all it takes for the electorate to be convinced in your mind? He's got nothing else going for him.

(A good day to you Sir!)
>> No. 74936 Anonymous
29th June 2016
Wednesday 8:38 pm
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>>74934

He could take out the Tories with his sick noscope skills, obviously.
>> No. 74937 Anonymous
29th June 2016
Wednesday 8:38 pm
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>>74934
Believe it or not, leading men under fire and getting them to risk their necks on the basis of your orders does actually take some serious leadership skills. I can appreciate the idea of service, sacrifice and duty being completely fucking alien to the Maomentum trots, but I have done my best to summarise.
>> No. 74938 Anonymous
29th June 2016
Wednesday 8:38 pm
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>>74933

Did you miss the second half of my post or something?
>> No. 74939 Anonymous
29th June 2016
Wednesday 8:39 pm
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>>74937

You didn't even call him a Trot for having the sheer nerve to disagree with you. You're slipping, lad.
>> No. 74940 Anonymous
29th June 2016
Wednesday 8:40 pm
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>>74938
No, but you had a go at my position that this was Blair's platform.

It doesn't take a fucking genius to know that the next 'Blairite' won't be wearing his face as a mask and bellowing 'JE SUIS TONY' into the TV cameras, but you made no real point showing that his core platform would not be attractive. And his platform was my entire point.
>> No. 74941 Anonymous
29th June 2016
Wednesday 8:40 pm
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>>74933
Is that like how people haven't really had socialism on the ballot or how lads that wear anything under their kilts aren't really Scotsmen?
>> No. 74942 Anonymous
29th June 2016
Wednesday 8:45 pm
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>>74939

*My mistake, he actually did, I've just become so fucking numb to it I struggle to register it any longer.
>> No. 74943 Anonymous
29th June 2016
Wednesday 8:47 pm
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>>74940

Okay, fair enough. So your point was "Tony Blair's platform was attractive"? Well, yeah. That's why he won.

I was just delving a bit more into the implications as I see them, I suppose.
>> No. 74944 Anonymous
29th June 2016
Wednesday 9:56 pm
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So a Labour splinter group is now out attracting support:

https://www.savinglabour.com

It seems a bit redundant at this point. Will this become an advertising campaign for £3 memberships come the leadership election or is there a genuine hope that if the list gets long enough Corbyn will step down?
>> No. 74945 Anonymous
29th June 2016
Wednesday 10:03 pm
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>>74944
He won't go under any circumstances. He's too arrogant and proud. He's having the time of his life.
>> No. 74946 Anonymous
29th June 2016
Wednesday 10:06 pm
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>>74945
Cameron directly challenged him to go at PMQs, therefore there's no chance of him going without being pushed.
>> No. 74947 Anonymous
29th June 2016
Wednesday 10:38 pm
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>>74944
>So a Labour splinter group is now out attracting support:
Is it though?
>> No. 74948 Anonymous
29th June 2016
Wednesday 10:48 pm
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Media Lens has done a brilliant job of recording all of the flak employed against Corbyn since his name was even entered as a possible Labour leader:

http://www.medialens.org/index.php/alerts/alert-archive/2016/822-killing-corbyn.html
>> No. 74949 Anonymous
29th June 2016
Wednesday 10:57 pm
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>>74937

'Maomentum trot' Clive Lewis served in Afghanistan. AND he doesn't have shite politics, unlike Jarvis.

I'm just holding out until he is ready to succeed Jez.
>> No. 74950 Anonymous
29th June 2016
Wednesday 11:14 pm
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>>74949
Hilarious. One second your lot slag off Jarvis because 'he's just a soldier', the next you're trying to spin off Lewis as the Corbot action man because he did 12 weeks in Afghanistan in the TA, relative to Lewis, whose decade-long military career was in the 1st Batallion Parachute Regiment (Special Forces Support Group heavy brigade), conducting high risk reconnaissance operations in Helmand Province. There is no dispute as to who is the war veteran between Jarvis and Lewis. Your comparison is a joke.
>> No. 74951 Anonymous
29th June 2016
Wednesday 11:18 pm
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>>74950
Who slagged anyone off for being just a soldier?
>> No. 74952 Anonymous
29th June 2016
Wednesday 11:21 pm
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>>74951
See

>>74934

Of course, it's a normal corbot tactic to demand explanations of shit staring you in the face as a method to halt and redirect the discourse. Here's a £10 bet you try to spin the conversation off on a tangent, claiming 'he has nothing else going for him' isn't a dismissal of his clear leadership and managerial skills developed leading intensely dangerous operations in foreign warzones.
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29th June 2016
Wednesday 11:21 pm
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>> No. 74954 Anonymous
29th June 2016
Wednesday 11:39 pm
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>>74944

>Will this become an advertising campaign for £3 memberships come the leadership election or is there a genuine hope that if the list gets long enough Corbyn will step down?

Plan B and plan A respectively, from what I've heard. They want to bombard Labour MPs with anti-Corbyn comments from members or potential members, which will increase the pressure on Corbyn and embolden his opponents in the PLP. If he just won't budge, the mailing list will be a very powerful tool in fighting the leadership election campaign.
>> No. 74955 Anonymous
29th June 2016
Wednesday 11:40 pm
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z31DX7KLFc8

Jesus christ, what a shitshow.
>> No. 74956 Anonymous
29th June 2016
Wednesday 11:45 pm
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>>74950

No mate, I didn't slag off Jarvis for being 'just a soldier', I slagged him off because being a soldier is the only thing going for him. There's a difference, and Christ, I really shouldn't have to be spelling it out.
>> No. 74957 Anonymous
30th June 2016
Thursday 12:03 am
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>>74952
I was asking if that had been brought up at all in this thread, and hadn't seen that post. Have fun with your rant though, I guess.
>> No. 74958 Anonymous
30th June 2016
Thursday 12:07 am
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>>74954
Pity they don't have enough backbone to try to bombard a leadership election with anti-Corbyn votes.

Meanwhile members continue to join in their thousands explicitly in support of Corbyn.
>> No. 74959 Anonymous
30th June 2016
Thursday 12:21 am
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>>74958
You're one of those who think 'thousands' means anything in a country of over 65 million, aren't you. That's the kind of ridiculous conclusion hanging around in a trot echo chamber will lead you to.
>> No. 74960 Anonymous
30th June 2016
Thursday 12:32 am
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>>74959
I'm talking about the volume of people joining in support of Corbyn in comparison to the members and potential members whose anti-Corbyn comments are meant to "bombard Labour MPs", it has nothing to do with the general population, silly billy.
>> No. 74962 Anonymous
30th June 2016
Thursday 10:59 am
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Genuinely can't wait for Labour to fall apart. They deserve it. They all deserve it. They brought this on themselves. Fucking swine.

This Blairite coup just underlines it all. What the fuck are you idiots playing at? Why the fuck would you stage a coup now, of all times, when the Tories are ripping themselves apart? Why the hell would you give the press something to distract people with!?

"Oh, we need a more electable leader!" WELL GOOD LUCK FINDING ONE OF THOSE IN THE FUCKING LABOUR PARTY.

Fucking idiots. 1997 was nearly 20 years ago and the world has moved on. The Blairite trick doesn't fucking work anymore. You can't rely on Scotland, Wales and Northern England having "nowhere else to go" allowing you to focus solely on swing-seats when:
A) Any possible leader is an unelectable bellend
B) Scotland, Wales and the North have found other fucking places to go and are incredibly miffed you told them to go fuck themselves so you could fellate Tarquin.

What, you think electing an Iraqi murdering cocksucker is just going to magically stop Scotland's slow slide to independence? You think disillusioned ex-voters who turned out for Kinnock will be brought back into the fold [or away from UKIP by another smarmy prick in a suit? You fucking think Middle England is going to vote for another funny looking fucking Milliband or Angela-Bloody-Eagle?

Maybe if Blair and Brown had been less concerned with purging everyone who looked like they had an iota of talent Labour would be slightly less utterly fucked than they are now. Even without Corbyn, the party was fucked. You're dead. Doomed. Outdated.

But no. This is 1997. Every election is just fighting John Major in a hilariously split Conservative party with a Labour party that's had a decade of disciplined reform and a leader who looks relatively normal and whom nobody suspects has a war fetish. Just promise not to raise taxes and everything will be okay.

Fucking idiots. At least the lefty Corbynites are sinking the ship pretending to have good intentions. Blairies? They don't even have that. They want power for power's sake, but haven't the first idea how to actually obtain it. A competent leader and they wouldn't even need to keep moving right on policy.

Corbyn is an incompetent fuck, but Labour has absolutely nobody with an iota of talent. I hope he refuses to budge, except perhaps to ensure the last leader of the party before it becomes a continuing-SDP tier joke is a Blairite. If the Labour party is dead by 2025 I won't cry for it.

Fuck it. Let UKIP become the opposition for all it matters. I don't care, so long as Labour gets what it deserves for selling out it's base and demonstrating it's completely incapable of understanding politics outside of the numbers 1983 and 1997.

And while I'm at it, how the fuck does someone with a name like "Tristram" wind up in the Labour party anyway?
>> No. 74963 Anonymous
30th June 2016
Thursday 12:00 pm
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>>74962

Deep breaths m8, deep breaths.
>> No. 74964 Anonymous
30th June 2016
Thursday 12:09 pm
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>>74962
>[]
Oh, it's you again. Don't you have an indyref to get bumsore about its timing?
>> No. 74965 Anonymous
30th June 2016
Thursday 12:19 pm
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>>74964
Dunno who you're talking about. There's no ] in my post and the [ is there because I'm a shit typist. It wasn't supposed to be a bracketed statement.

That an indyref is even on the table in Scotland, however, is another one of Blairism's innumerable successes. It's worth remembering the SNP first took power when Blair was still Prime Minister.

If only Tony Blair had been around...
>> No. 74966 Anonymous
30th June 2016
Thursday 3:07 pm
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“Our Jewish friends are no more responsible for the actions of Israel or the Netanyahu government than our Muslim friends are for those of various self-styled Islamic states or organisations.”
>> No. 74967 Anonymous
30th June 2016
Thursday 3:52 pm
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I just don't understand why they're laying the unpopularity of the EU amongst the working classes wholly at Corbyn's door. And even more pressingly, that they now want to (politically speaking) die fighting for an institution that was just rejected en masse by the electorate?

Corbyn seems fucked, yes. If he isn't then I don't have the political imagination to see how. Regardless what I'm truly, deeply, utterly perplexed by, is why the hell Labour have ended up in this situation in the first place?

>inb4 TROT ! >:(
>> No. 74968 Anonymous
30th June 2016
Thursday 4:02 pm
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>>74967
The dissenters in Labour should probably start downplaying the attacks on Corbyn's competence, given that their repeated failure to challenge him is starting to make them look even worse.
>> No. 74969 Anonymous
30th June 2016
Thursday 4:05 pm
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>>74966

That's already been called out as a misquote by several journalists who were there. Are the right so patronising to think that people wouldn't be able to see through this?
>> No. 74970 Anonymous
30th June 2016
Thursday 4:16 pm
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>>74966
... What's wrong with this? Do you think that Muslims are more responsible for the actions of Islamic governments than Jews are for the actions of the Israeli government?
>> No. 74971 Anonymous
30th June 2016
Thursday 4:29 pm
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>>74970
It's the likening of Isis to Israel and implying they're at all comparable. To many Jews Israel is all the same as all Jews.
>> No. 74972 Anonymous
30th June 2016
Thursday 4:48 pm
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>>74971
>To many Jews Israel is all the same as all Jews.

Well that's clearly incorrect. If people are interpreting the quote in '66 as saying the Israeli government are equivalent to ISIS then they are willingly missing the entire point, that you can't blame an entire demographic for actions of a subsection of that group.
>> No. 74973 Anonymous
30th June 2016
Thursday 4:50 pm
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>>74971
>It's the likening of Isis to Israel and implying they're at all comparable.
They're both groups who do things that people object to, groups that espouse a particular religion, and groups whose actions are conflated with the followers of said religions. It's like saying that Christians aren't responsible for the actions of the Crusaders.
>> No. 74975 Anonymous
30th June 2016
Thursday 5:08 pm
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>>74971
Where did he specify ISIS? He was talking about "Islamic states and organisations" generally.

He is clearly saying that Islamic states and organisations do unsavoury things and we don't blame all Muslims for it, and likewise when Israel does unsavoury things we shouldn't blame all Jews for it. If you interpret that as a direct comparison of Israel and ISIS, you must be being wilfully obtuse.
>> No. 74976 Anonymous
30th June 2016
Thursday 5:46 pm
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>>74971

Well they are all comparable. They're all nutters who blow things and people up in the name of some bollocks justification taken from millenia old works of fiction.

Corbyn is talking sense here. You might be able to squeeze some controversy out of it with a bit of good semantic juggling, but you know what he was getting at, and generally speaking, he's right.

But we just can't have a politician who talks sense now can we, that undermines everything they've worked towards for the last two decades.
>> No. 74977 Anonymous
30th June 2016
Thursday 7:49 pm
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This "coup" is some fucking Mr Bean shit.
>> No. 74978 Anonymous
30th June 2016
Thursday 8:06 pm
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The Labour party is rife with the retreating ice-shelves blinkered mentality that Israel is the cause of all bad things in the world. No wonder it's full of antisemitism Corbyn is a Hamas stooge and has the integrity of a vegetarian pork pie.
>> No. 74979 Anonymous
30th June 2016
Thursday 9:21 pm
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>Ms Chakrabarti's report made as its first recommendation that racial epithets such as 'z**' or 'p***' should have 'no place in Labour Party discourse' going forward and also recommended Labour members avoid using Adolf Hitler metaphors.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3667717/Don-t-talk-Hitler-Corbyn-publishes-anti-Semitism-inquiry-tells-Labour-members-resist-Nazi-metaphors-compares-Israeli-government-ISIS.html

What's a z**? I think I need to brush up on my racist vernacular.
>> No. 74980 Anonymous
30th June 2016
Thursday 9:26 pm
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>>74979
ZOG.
'In 2016, the Labour party posted on its website an "Aryan Declaration of Independence, in which we find that "the history of the present Zionist Occupied Government of the United Kingdom is a history of repeated injuries and usurpations... [all] having a direct object—the establishment of an absolute tyranny over these states." Holding "the eradication of the White race and its culture" as "one of its foremost purposes", the "ZOG" is accused of relinquishing "powers of government to private corporations, White traitors and ruling class Jewish families."'
>> No. 74981 Anonymous
30th June 2016
Thursday 9:30 pm
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>>74980
No, it's "zio", an abbreviation of zionist.
>> No. 74982 Anonymous
30th June 2016
Thursday 9:41 pm
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>I think I need to brush up on my racist vernacular.

Sheet cracka you fucked mo than me sayin gimme yo wallet.
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30th June 2016
Thursday 9:46 pm
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>>74981
I've just Googled 'Zog' and that appears to be it. Any children looking up their favourite book will be enlightened.
>> No. 74984 Anonymous
30th June 2016
Thursday 9:48 pm
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>>73072
FOR HEAVENS SAKE MAN GO
>> No. 74985 Anonymous
30th June 2016
Thursday 9:53 pm
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>>74983
It's actually not, it's zio.

http://www.labour.org.uk/page/-/party-documents/ChakrabartiInquiry.pdf
>> No. 74986 Anonymous
30th June 2016
Thursday 10:07 pm
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>>74984

Do they still have those people on Tor that can make people go away for a couple of Bitcoins?

And how do you crowdfund it?
>> No. 74987 Anonymous
30th June 2016
Thursday 10:09 pm
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>>74986
There were never hitmen on Tor.
>> No. 74988 Anonymous
30th June 2016
Thursday 11:02 pm
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>There were never hitmen on Tor.

Supply evidence.
>> No. 74989 Anonymous
1st July 2016
Friday 12:08 am
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>>74988
Provide evidence that you've never had sex with a pentacorn.
>> No. 74990 Anonymous
1st July 2016
Friday 1:14 am
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>Jarvis behind Eagle and Watson
That's it. There's nothing that can save the Labour party. I'm convinced it actively wants to destroy itself.
>> No. 74991 Anonymous
1st July 2016
Friday 2:13 am
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>>74990

What's the matter? You mean your strong soldier hero Mr Jarvis isn't actually popular?
>> No. 74992 Anonymous
1st July 2016
Friday 3:36 am
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>>74991
Among the Labour membership.

Replacing Corbyn with Watson or Eagle would be utter insanity. Both are equally terrible, look and sound just as weird (or worse), and lose an election just as horribly. (To be fair, on those scores they aren't going to replace Corbyn.)

I barely know anything about Jarvis, but if you're seriously going to try and coup Corbyn you don't replace him with someone even worse.
>> No. 74993 Anonymous
1st July 2016
Friday 4:13 am
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>>74990
Come home left-of-centre man. At this point the best you can hope for is Angela Eagle of all people but she appears less than confident of her chances of even labour leadership much less beating Theresa Gove.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-36671409

10 percentage points isn't impossible given the numbers who have left but with the Lib Dems hoovering up remain voters at one new member a minute I don't see how you can attract them.
>> No. 74994 Anonymous
1st July 2016
Friday 4:45 am
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>>74990
It's been pretty funny watching the Guardian's desperate pushing of Jarvis, and it is even funnier seeing how fruitless it was.
>> No. 74995 Anonymous
1st July 2016
Friday 4:50 am
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>>74993
If your best hope is ever Angela Eagle then you know there is no reason ever to be hopeful again.
>> No. 75003 Anonymous
1st July 2016
Friday 12:47 pm
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The Tories should elect a spider plant as their leader. Spider plants are basically invincible.
>> No. 75006 Anonymous
1st July 2016
Friday 1:33 pm
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Corbyn was in France for the memorial event this morning. It looked like Abbott was there as well, presumably so that there'd be at least one person out of the 10,000 present that actually liked him.
>> No. 75009 Anonymous
1st July 2016
Friday 2:41 pm
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>>74993
>Opposition to boundary changes
How illiberal.
>> No. 75011 Anonymous
1st July 2016
Friday 3:10 pm
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>>75009
Yes, how dare they oppose measures designed to rig the system in favour of the incumbent government.
>> No. 75012 Anonymous
1st July 2016
Friday 3:22 pm
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>>75011
The double standards here are astounding.
>> No. 75013 Anonymous
1st July 2016
Friday 3:33 pm
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>>75012
If you say so, Torylad.
>> No. 75014 Anonymous
1st July 2016
Friday 4:17 pm
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>>75013
I don't know who that is but I do say so, certainly. Bizarre how Lib Dems favour PR but not equalising constituency boundaries.
>> No. 75021 Anonymous
1st July 2016
Friday 7:39 pm
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>>74993
Looks like I agree with all the Labour policies in your image.
>> No. 75022 Anonymous
1st July 2016
Friday 7:48 pm
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>>75014
>I don't know who that is
That would be people who agree with things that keep the Tories in power, such as redrawing constituency boundaries to favour the Tories.

>equalising constituency boundaries
You mean gerrymandering. The Tories know that, with two distinct outliers, the constituencies with fewer electors tend to have more people who aren't eligible to vote. The Americans refer to this distinction as "one man, one vote" vs. "one voter, one vote" and the Supreme Court recently struck down an attempt to assert the latter.
>> No. 75025 Anonymous
1st July 2016
Friday 8:05 pm
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>>75011
That's something we always overlook.
Are the Tories not going to cut down the number of seats within this parliament (or presumably the next if we get a 2016/17 election)?

This would remove left-over Labour bias in the system, and quite possibly replace it with an advantage to the Tories to boot, underlining just how far Labour has to go even moreso.

Labour are fucked.
>> No. 75026 Anonymous
1st July 2016
Friday 8:10 pm
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>>75025
>left-over Labour bias in the system
I wish people would stop peddling this myth.
>> No. 75028 Anonymous
2nd July 2016
Saturday 12:32 am
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>>75026
It's not entirely a myth.

Scotland in particular still has a slightly disproportionate number of constituencies. Even with them all going SNP, that's still contributing to the number of people who're forced to support a Labour PM.
>> No. 75029 Anonymous
2nd July 2016
Saturday 12:38 am
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>>75028
No, lad. Believe it or not, the SNP winning 56 seats with thumping majorities doesn't mean the constituencies are biased towards the SNP.
>> No. 75030 Anonymous
2nd July 2016
Saturday 12:45 am
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>>75029
Scotland has a few rural seats with tiny populations. Lib-Dems have Orkney and Shetland as a safe seat and the SNP have the Western Isles as similarly safe.

That's a small unfair advantage towards those parties. The SNP get that MP for 8,662 votes and the Lib-Dems 9,407 versus around ~20,000 on average to get a Scottish seat.

(Note that I'm not making a turnout based argument. If everyone eligible in all constituencies voted, the Islands would still be miles behind the mainland.)
>> No. 75031 Anonymous
2nd July 2016
Saturday 12:52 am
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>>75030
Ah, here we go.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_Kingdom_Parliament_constituencies

Basically, Smallest constituencies by electorate are in Scotland and Wales. i.e. Traditionally more Labour sympathetic parts of the UK. It's a shame there's nothing indicating what party currently holds each seat. No way I'm going through 'em manually.
>> No. 75032 Anonymous
2nd July 2016
Saturday 12:55 am
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>>75030
They don't count because, along with the Isle of Wight, they're special cases.
>> No. 75033 Anonymous
2nd July 2016
Saturday 1:09 am
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>>75032
They were just the most immediate examples

I was going to go through some of the smaller constituencies (For example Labour took Ynys Mon with about 10k votes) but that's as much down to turnout as to small constituency size (~50k eligible)
Compare Ilford South (also Labour, as it happens, with around 30,000 votes.) at 90k eligible voters. Even with 100% turnout, Ynys Mon gets an MP for around half the votes.

Such wildly varying constituency sizes give the advantage to whatever party can make itself most appealing in the small constituencies.
>> No. 75034 Anonymous
2nd July 2016
Saturday 1:18 am
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>>75033
What part of "special cases" is causing you trouble, lad?
>> No. 75035 Anonymous
2nd July 2016
Saturday 1:26 am
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>>75031
>Traditionally more Labour sympathetic parts of the UK
No, recently more Labour sympathetic parts of the UK. As recently as 1970 the Conservatives were winning seats in both.

>No way I'm going through 'em manually.
What a shame. Since you're such a lazy cunt, let me do that for you and reveal all those Labour areas at the top of the list.
Na h-Eileanan an Iar - SNP special case
Orkney and Shetland - LD special case
Arfon - PC
Dwyfor Meirionnydd - PC
Aberconwy - Tory
Caithness, Sutherland and Easter Ross - SNP
Montgomeryshire - Tory
Aberavon - Labour

How about if we look at the other end of the list?

Isle of Wight - Tory special case
Ilford South - Labour
Bristol West - Labour
West Ham - Labour
North West Cambridgeshire - Tory
Milton Keynes South - Tory
Hackney North and Stoke Newington - Labour
Sleaford and North Hykeham - Tory
East Ham - Labour
Linlithgow and East Falkirk - SNP

Yep, totally looks rigged in favour of Labour to me.
>> No. 75036 Anonymous
2nd July 2016
Saturday 1:49 am
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>>75034
Half of Wales is a "special case?"

(I gather there exists a link between Westminster and Assembly seats, but reforming that is hardly a special case on the order of protected constituencies like Western Isles, Orkney&Shetland, and Isle of Wight.)

>>75035
>recently
Scotland has been Labour since the 40s. The Conservatives were taking seats in both, but Labour was always ahead.

Also, good job cutting off the small constituencies list (8 items, versus 10 on the list of larger ones.) right before a string of consecutive Labour seats. (Ynys mon, Wrexham, Blaenau Gwent , Cynon Valley, Rhondda, Delyn) all of which are below the average for Welsh seats in terms of eligible voters (57,044), let alone the UK average. (One would have to go through every seat to get anything like an actually accurate picture, hence why I gave up.)

Furthermore, in my first post I equated SNP seats to support for a Labour government. (which is ultimately irrelevant because, like I tried to direct the main point to, it advantages whoever is most popular in the small seats. Even if there was a fair distribution between parties now, it's silly that an area of 50,000 people gets equal representation to an area of 90,000, even accounting for special geographical cases like Islands.
>> No. 75038 Anonymous
2nd July 2016
Saturday 3:34 am
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>Half of Wales is a "special case?"
To a degree, yes. Wales has disproportionately high representation because of what might be called "legislative distance". The same also applied in Scotland, but those numbers were reduced in the face of the broad powers now exercised in the Scottish Parliament as a partial answer to the West Lothian question. They're looking at doing the same in Wales, though the power differential here is steeper, and the proposals in the Wales Bill are in the opposite direction to those in the Scotland Bill (the latter tries to guarantee permanence, while the former effectively tries to grant Westminster a veto), so it's arguable either way whether or not that's fair.

>Scotland has been Labour since the 40s.
That depends on how you define "been Labour". The Conservatives won 23 seats in 1983, 23 seats in 1970, and for most of the 1950s had at least 30 seats. It's really only in the last 20 years that the Scottish Tory MP has become an endangered species.

Scotland has a number of very rural seats with large land areas. I'm not sure which is largest now, but certainly in the 1970s the seat featuring Inverness had one of the smallest electorates but the largest land area by some considerable margin, covering most of the northern highlands and the adjacent Inner Hebrides. In those rural seats, on top of the basic allowance you get to spend 7p per elector. If you were to merge, say, five of the northern seats into four, the increased spending limit wouldn't even cover the petrol to get your doorsteppers to the new constituents. A similar problem applies to a lesser degree in Wales. All those strip-shaped seats represent steep-sided valleys where it's easy to get up and down but not so much across, so it's difficult to allocate electoral districts to other constituencies without making the candidates' lives considerably more difficult. The simple reality of these areas is that they're physically more difficult to represent.

The Periodic Reports usually make changes to account for demographic shifts, and demographics isn't a bias. However, the complete package of changes the government wants (IER, fewer seats, equalised electorates) are not demographic matters. They're a change in the underlying principles which introduces an inbuilt bias towards one party. It's a move towards "one voter, one vote" which is fundamentally unfair. It assumes that eligible voters are evenly distributed, and that unregistered eligible voters are evenly distributed, but neither of these is true. Rural seats in England tend to have higher proportions of eligible voters, higher registration rates, and lower proportions of marginalised groups. Urban seats in England tend to have lower proportions of eligible voters, lower registration rates, and higher proportions of marginalised groups.

To take an example, Tottenham had a registered electorate of 70,803 at the last election, while Wyre and Preston North had a registered electorate of 70,637. Seems even, right? But this isn't the number of eligible voters, it's the number of registered voters, and not all groups are equally registered. Which of these two constituencies do you think has more young black men? Some estimates suggest that as few as 10% of those eligible are actually registered. On average, for every black male you find on the electoral register, you may find as many as eight others that are eligible but not registered. I don't think you'll find many in those villages in northern Lancashire. You'll probably find lots in Tottenham, but a fair chunk of them won't be eligible to vote. So Wyre and Preston North's 70,637 probably includes almost all of the eligible voters, while in Tottenham they could be missing a couple of thousand. Which of the two do you think has more people that are ineligible to vote? Those people still get to be governed but don't get a say in who does it. I'd wager that in all those villages in Wyre and Preston North it's mainly children. I'd also wager that in Tottenham it's many thousands of adults. So in reality, while Tottenham only has around 200 more electors, it probably has a population that is tens of thousands higher. In light of that, should the population of Wyre and Preston North have the same representation as the considerably higher population of Tottenham?

At the 2015 election, 15 million registered voters opted not to cast a vote, while around 7 million eligible voters didn't have a choice in the matter.
>> No. 75040 Anonymous
2nd July 2016
Saturday 3:56 am
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I might come back to this, it's a long post.

When it comes to turnout and registration, I can't help but feel this wouldn't be half as big a problem if Labour were more interested in actually getting their base to register and vote, instead of just ignoring non-voters entirely to focus on swing-voters in marginals. Especially given most of those non-voters are naturally Labour inclined.

Perhaps it's just me being tired, but I can't help start to think this is just another hell Labour wrought for themselves with the "Who cares if turnout is poor? We won the election" approach.
>> No. 75044 Anonymous
2nd July 2016
Saturday 7:28 am
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>>73091
uh huh
>> No. 75045 Anonymous
2nd July 2016
Saturday 8:27 am
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>>75044

Brilliant! And it only took you a month!
>> No. 75047 Anonymous
2nd July 2016
Saturday 1:40 pm
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Can the Corbynator hold out until the Chilcot report?

Will it matter?

Is Angela Eagle the next opposition leader? Who even is she?
>> No. 75048 Anonymous
2nd July 2016
Saturday 1:42 pm
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>>75047
More recognisable than that other one that ran last time that nobody knew.
>> No. 75049 Anonymous
2nd July 2016
Saturday 2:28 pm
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>>75040

Bear in mind that a swung vote effectively counts as double - you gain a vote, and you deprive your rival of one. Concentrating on non-voters means your message has to persuade twice as many people.

There may be a game-theoretic argument for shifting your resources towards non-voters, but it's highly risky. If the other side concentrate on swing voters, you could end up persuading more people but lose ground overall. To a first approximation, it would only make sense if persuading a non-voter costs half as much as persuading a swing voter. My instinct tells me that apathy is much more difficult to overcome than uncertainty, but I'd love to be proven wrong.
>> No. 75050 Anonymous
2nd July 2016
Saturday 3:45 pm
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Could Jez, in theory, just kick Eagle out of the party for conspiring?
>> No. 75051 Anonymous
2nd July 2016
Saturday 3:50 pm
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>>75050
That depends. Does he want a party to lead?
>> No. 75052 Anonymous
2nd July 2016
Saturday 4:19 pm
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>>75050

No, is the short answer.
>> No. 75053 Anonymous
2nd July 2016
Saturday 4:24 pm
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>>75051

It doesn't depend at all. He can't do that. Stop talking shite you don't know about.
>> No. 75054 Anonymous
2nd July 2016
Saturday 4:26 pm
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>>75050

On a practical level, he just needs to ask the chief whip to withdraw the whip from Eagle. She would no longer be a part of the Labour party, but she would keep her seat as an independent.

Realistically, the political consequences would be catastrophic.
>> No. 75055 Anonymous
2nd July 2016
Saturday 4:27 pm
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Dear Leader doesn't seem to get that when it's picking between a viable Labour government and his shambolic premiership, he's not going to fucking win.

Don't expect the Unions to tolerate a zero return on their investment for long. They may like Corbyn's kowtowing to their agenda, but since he isn't going to get within a mile of number 10, they'll make a phone call to il padrino soon and the knives will come out.
>> No. 75056 Anonymous
2nd July 2016
Saturday 4:36 pm
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Jeremy finally losing it.

Just lost it at a reporter but had to be held back.

>Mr Corbyn had to be held back by aides after he lost his cool with a television reporter when asked if he was "running away" from answering questions about his beleaguered leadership.

>A visibly angry Mr Corbyn then appeared to lunge in the journalist’s direction in front of camera crews and photographers, saying: “If you want to arrange an interview speak to my press office. Thank you.”
>> No. 75057 Anonymous
2nd July 2016
Saturday 4:55 pm
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>>75056
Where is that one cute blonde aide that follows him around? No wonder he doesn't want to step down.
>> No. 75059 Anonymous
2nd July 2016
Saturday 5:06 pm
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>> No. 75060 Anonymous
2nd July 2016
Saturday 5:14 pm
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>>75057>>75059

Possibly this lady?

https://twitter.com/katfletcher?lang=en-gb

Or this lady?

https://twitter.com/driversteph

They both work for Corbyn. Just been through all the staff he's registered and the rest aren't great, other than this lady who is very beautiful.

https://twitter.com/angie_angie_ang
>> No. 75061 Anonymous
2nd July 2016
Saturday 5:23 pm
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>>75056
Wow. I've tried really hard to give this guy the benefit of the doubt until now but fuck him.
>> No. 75062 Anonymous
2nd July 2016
Saturday 5:29 pm
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>>75053
Technically he can, but if he even tried to do something as simple as withdrawing the whip there would be open revolt.
>> No. 75063 Anonymous
2nd July 2016
Saturday 5:44 pm
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>>75060
The last one you posted is pretty, but good God is she insufferable. I should not being reading her posts while on medication for high blood pressure.
>> No. 75064 Anonymous
2nd July 2016
Saturday 5:52 pm
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>>75056
He turned around and told her to arrange an interview if she wanted more than to insult him. There was no lunge. His team held him back not for her safety, but because they're not allowing him to field uncontrolled media questions.

This time tensions were higher because it happened in a scrum but it's like three days ago when this aide yoinked him by the jacket and knocked him off balance the second he stopped delivering the planned press conference.

I wish I better understood the necessity for the media-imposed reality distortion field surrounding Corbyn.
>> No. 75065 Anonymous
2nd July 2016
Saturday 5:55 pm
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>>75064
>There was no lunge.

Nonsense. Everyone's seen it. He made a go for her and had to be held back. I'm not saying he'd have lamped her in the mouth, but he was clearly losing his rag.

>His team held him back not for her safety, but because they're not allowing him to field uncontrolled media questions.

He was within speaking distance and they didn't stop him making his response. They physically restrained him from squaring up to a smaller woman.
>> No. 75067 Anonymous
2nd July 2016
Saturday 6:00 pm
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>>75065
Did he fuck. There's a reason the BBC headline on this is "Jeremy Corbyn refuses to answer leadership questions from the media".
>> No. 75068 Anonymous
2nd July 2016
Saturday 6:01 pm
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Weren't there pictures of him majorly losing his rag about something else in the past week or so?
>> No. 75069 Anonymous
2nd July 2016
Saturday 6:05 pm
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>>75067
I thought I was supposed to be critical of the anti-Corbyn MSM.
>> No. 75070 Anonymous
2nd July 2016
Saturday 6:26 pm
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Fucking sorted left jab. Right on the chin. I bet Corbyn is a right wuss, that's why he went for a woman. Prezzer would have chinned Kimbo Slice.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NBqfuUiBpXs
>> No. 75071 Anonymous
2nd July 2016
Saturday 6:32 pm
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>>75070
To be fair, Tony did tell him he needed to connect with the voters.
>> No. 75072 Anonymous
2nd July 2016
Saturday 6:32 pm
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Eh? Saying that what happened there was some kind of violent attack is daft.

>>75070
Aye, Prescott did it properly. Fast as fuck for a fat old fuck, too.
>> No. 75073 Anonymous
2nd July 2016
Saturday 6:34 pm
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>>75072
Cracking effort on spinning the allegation, you're running the corbot playbook very well.
>> No. 75074 Anonymous
2nd July 2016
Saturday 6:37 pm
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I wonder what Momentum have in store for this woman. Will she be left in tears like Jewish Labour MP Ruth Smeeth was at an event on antisemitism?

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/labour-antisemitism-jeremy-corbyn-ruth-smeeth-jewish-mp-accused-of-colluding-with-media-a7111061.html

>>75060
How are these women so apt at making me angry. Even the so called pretty lass lets out a snide comment about how Theresa May is going to be treated differently just for her little circle to pat her on the back. >>75063 is right this is giving me high piss temperature, no wonder Corbyn has ended up a dangerous mentalist.

Fuck' em, I hope the Corbyn bus rolls off a cliff. Miraculously with no injuries but everyone involved takes a new lease on this fleeting life.
>> No. 75075 Anonymous
2nd July 2016
Saturday 6:53 pm
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>>75074

>auto playing video

Burn them all.
>> No. 75076 Anonymous
2nd July 2016
Saturday 7:07 pm
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>>75072

Yeah m7. Corbyn was just being aggressive for no reason apart from being a petulant dick (like most of the reegressives on the left), whilst Prezzer was cool as fuck. No nonsense.

(A good day to you Sir!)
>> No. 75078 Anonymous
2nd July 2016
Saturday 8:39 pm
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Hmm yes, here we see another typical corbot desperate to spin this to defend Dear Leader.
>> No. 75079 Anonymous
2nd July 2016
Saturday 8:47 pm
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To be fair, she should have known what happens to people who chat shit.
>> No. 75080 Anonymous
2nd July 2016
Saturday 8:49 pm
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>>75078
Is that like when two people have sex and you accuse the bloke of being a rapist and the woman tells you she consented but you insist it was rape?
>> No. 75081 Anonymous
2nd July 2016
Saturday 8:52 pm
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>>75080
Rape apologist.
>> No. 75082 Anonymous
2nd July 2016
Saturday 8:52 pm
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>>75080

Yes, it is just like that everyday situation. What the fuck are you talking about?
>> No. 75083 Anonymous
2nd July 2016
Saturday 8:55 pm
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>>75082
If you don't understand that analogy then you're not smart enough to pretend you know anything about politics.
>> No. 75084 Anonymous
2nd July 2016
Saturday 9:01 pm
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>>75080
People always seem to assume the worst these days. My mother once had to explain to a police officer that no, it wasn't a euphemism and yes, she really had genuinely caught herself in the face with a cupboard door.
>> No. 75085 Anonymous
3rd July 2016
Sunday 12:51 am
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>>75055
Nobody is offering that choice on any reasonable timescale.

The choice is between placating the MPs with a new leader who's still a funny looking and uncharismatic weirdo, or his shambolic premiership. I wouldn't give Corbyn the time of day if not for people pretending that any of the freaks contesting the leadership were actually prime ministerial material instead of just "Not Corbyn", even if they're put up against someone like Gove.

And I just want to emphasise how strongly I mean this: Ed Milliband was a joke. Kinnock was a joke. Compared to the people on offer now, Ned Kinnockband would be a very attractive prime-ministerial prospect.

God himself couldn't lead Labour to victory before 2030. Indeed, it's doubtful that even the big-G could save Labour on any timescale.
>> No. 75086 Anonymous
3rd July 2016
Sunday 1:01 am
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Thatcher would have told him.

'Fuck off Corbyn, you're fucking shit. Do one you useless cunt.'
>> No. 75087 Anonymous
3rd July 2016
Sunday 1:14 am
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>>75086

However, for the last 20 years of her life it probably would have sounded more like "eerrggh uhhh eerrhghh agghhhh uhhhhhh buh aghhh *soils self*".
>> No. 75088 Anonymous
3rd July 2016
Sunday 1:24 am
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>eerrggh uhhh eerrhghh agghhhh uhhhhhh buh aghhh

I bet that's what they all said on the Belgrano after 'fuck what was that bang'.
>> No. 75089 Anonymous
3rd July 2016
Sunday 1:28 am
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>>75088
Yeah, but that's what all Spaniards sound like anyway.
>> No. 75091 Anonymous
3rd July 2016
Sunday 1:36 am
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>>75089

They were Argentine you dumb cunt. you're getting mixed up with the Battle of Trafalgar.
>> No. 75092 Anonymous
3rd July 2016
Sunday 1:41 am
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Imagine a world without the Falklands War.
>> No. 75094 Anonymous
3rd July 2016
Sunday 1:44 am
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>>75091
They spoke Spanish and briefly ended up on the Falklands. They're Spaniards.
>> No. 75096 Anonymous
3rd July 2016
Sunday 1:50 am
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>>75092

What's that meant to mean? Fuck me someone's scribbled on a graph covered in pictures with crayons.
>> No. 75097 Anonymous
3rd July 2016
Sunday 2:00 am
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>>75094

Fuck me are you useless or do you read the Guardian.

They weren't fucking Spaniards dumb cunt.

They were Argentines.
>> No. 75098 Anonymous
3rd July 2016
Sunday 2:02 am
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>>75096
It's clearly the contestants' average scores on Wheel of Fortune. If you're ever on that programme, you want to be in the blue spot. Notice how this one has twice as many points as the yellow one. Obviously it's points, because in the 1980s the cunts and the IBA said you couldn't give away that many pounds in case you tried to smuggle the money out of the country or something.
>> No. 75099 Anonymous
3rd July 2016
Sunday 2:11 am
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>>75098

Autist mirth
>> No. 75100 Anonymous
3rd July 2016
Sunday 2:38 am
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>>75096
Hmm, I wonder. It's a series of multi-coloured lines. The colours are those of the UK's 3 major political parties, and it has a list of major political events. Red peaked just after someone named "Michael Foot" was elected leader of... something, while yellow peaked at something called the "Crosby by-election"

Blue got a very big spike after "Falklands War", whatever that was. It's most likely this big spike for blue is what the post was referring to. I wonder what it represents, and what event the poster was pondering not occurring?

At the end of the graph, the position is Blue > Red > Yellow. Now, I wonder, what do we know that meets these patterns? It's all very puzzling indeed. Someone keeps telling me that whatever it represents, it's a snapshot and not a prediction, and that there's about a 2% margin of error...
>> No. 75102 Anonymous
3rd July 2016
Sunday 10:04 am
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So is this coup happening or what? I'm fed up of reading about it. Just get on with it and have done with it.
>> No. 75104 Anonymous
3rd July 2016
Sunday 10:53 am
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>>75102
Jeremy has written an article saying he's not going anywhere and that he welcomes negotiations from those in the PLP upset, but he will be sticking around.

Looks like it's just waiting for Angela Eagle to declare a challenge and then it all falls down to whether or not he wins.
>> No. 75107 Anonymous
3rd July 2016
Sunday 12:57 pm
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>>75104
I guess there's only one thing for it. Remove the head or destroy the brain.
>> No. 75114 Anonymous
3rd July 2016
Sunday 6:56 pm
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>>75104
>Angela Eagle

Is she seriously the best they can come up with? During the EU referendum debates she mumbled and fucked up almost everything she tried to say. Not to mention she's so fucking shrill. Who the fuck would think Corbyn is unelectable but she is?
>> No. 75115 Anonymous
3rd July 2016
Sunday 7:09 pm
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>>75114
That's the real problem. There's a compelling case to be made against Corbyn, and most of his supporters are aware of that. But that's the easy part. The malcontents have done a fucking abysmal job of putting forth the alternative.
>> No. 75116 Anonymous
3rd July 2016
Sunday 7:17 pm
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>>75114

I'm pretty baffled by it too. She is quite possibly as equally horrific as Corbyn if not worse, at least he has some interesting principles.

This picture is how I imagine Tony Blair every time he gets a Labour news alert. I wish he'd stop fannying about on the sidelines and come back in a safe seat again and fuck some shit up.
>> No. 75117 Anonymous
3rd July 2016
Sunday 7:39 pm
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>>75114
The party has enough capable leaders. It's just that right now the top job is very much a poisoned chalice and they know that if the new Tory leader calls a snap election they'd be done for. What they're hoping is for someone else (such as, say, Angela Eagle) to offer themselves up as a sacrifice an interim leader to do the job of getting the party away from the cliff face.
>> No. 75118 Anonymous
3rd July 2016
Sunday 8:48 pm
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Says more about the btw I'm a full on rapists than it does the moderates that the hard left are doing he 'ha ha Eagle is the best "they" can come up with'. Have these fucking mugs even heard of the phrase 'stalking horse', or have they spent their lives wrapped up with twitter hate campaigns and echo chambers that basic concepts like this are so alien?
>> No. 75119 Anonymous
3rd July 2016
Sunday 8:50 pm
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>>75118
Looks like the corbóts have a sympathetic administration to help.

Just checking 'blairite' is filtered.

(A good day to you Sir!)
>> No. 75120 Anonymous
3rd July 2016
Sunday 8:51 pm
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>>75119
Oh it's not, quel choc.
>> No. 75121 Anonymous
3rd July 2016
Sunday 9:02 pm
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>>75119
Just a suggestion but have you ever heard the term 'Corbynite'?
>> No. 75122 Anonymous
3rd July 2016
Sunday 9:04 pm
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Month ban from all boards for circumventing a wordfilter.

Draw your own conclusions, lads.

(A good day to you Sir!)
>> No. 75123 Anonymous
3rd July 2016
Sunday 9:06 pm
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>>75119

Sometimes, just because you're paranoid that doesn't mean you're wrong. Often you are just full of it though.

>>75121

That's one of them post-third gen Pokemon, right?
>> No. 75126 Anonymous
3rd July 2016
Sunday 10:06 pm
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>>75122
The mods have always banned people for consistently trying to force boring memes and/or generally being tedious cunts.
>> No. 75127 Anonymous
3rd July 2016
Sunday 10:24 pm
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>>75123
I thought it was that stuff they put that bloke in off of Star Wars.
>> No. 75128 Anonymous
3rd July 2016
Sunday 10:24 pm
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>>75126
I dunno, lad, I don't think I ever got banned for the bennies. Then again, a few of you also started using it too.
>> No. 75130 Anonymous
3rd July 2016
Sunday 10:37 pm
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>>75117
>The party has enough capable leaders
Please name one.
I can't even think of someone Kezia Dugdale tier at Westminster. (read "Useless, but at least she seems nice...")
>> No. 75136 Anonymous
4th July 2016
Monday 12:59 am
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>>75130

Dan Jarvis was a soldier.
>> No. 75139 Anonymous
4th July 2016
Monday 2:14 am
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>>75136

>"Pew pew! Take that Tory rotters!"
>> No. 75140 Anonymous
4th July 2016
Monday 2:22 am
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>>75139
The benches are just far enough apart that you can't attack your opponent with a sword, but close enoguh to use a gun.
>> No. 75142 Anonymous
4th July 2016
Monday 7:00 am
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Um
>> No. 75146 Anonymous
4th July 2016
Monday 6:53 pm
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>>75139

I read that in the voice of a Worms character.

'You'll regret that!'
>> No. 75147 Anonymous
4th July 2016
Monday 8:37 pm
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>>75146

Fucking hell why have I never thought of naming Worms teams after political parties before. Posho Tories, rough northern Labour, comedy Glaswegian SNP...
>> No. 75148 Anonymous
4th July 2016
Monday 8:48 pm
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>>75147

I sense some kind of .gs multiplayer tournament in the making...
>> No. 75201 Anonymous
5th July 2016
Tuesday 9:14 pm
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>>75148
I'm in.
>> No. 75205 Anonymous
5th July 2016
Tuesday 10:06 pm
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There's an easter egg in one of the Worms games, a 'hell' level with a sign saying "Welcome to Ossett". Living in Ossett, I can confirm.
>> No. 75247 Anonymous
6th July 2016
Wednesday 9:51 pm
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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/07/06/defeated-labour-rebels-admit-its-finished-as-jeremy-corbyn-refus/

It is finished.

What a farce of a "coup". They make Yukio Mishma look comparatively successful.
>> No. 75248 Anonymous
6th July 2016
Wednesday 9:56 pm
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>>75247
Good. Maybe they can set up their own shitty party and attract their own members this way instead of forcing some leadership that doesn't have any real grassroots support. What is it with this country and parties that absolutely loath their members?
>> No. 75249 Anonymous
6th July 2016
Wednesday 10:01 pm
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>>75247
>It is finished.

As are Labour.

>Labour will struggle to finance a general election because of the £5m it spent on the EU referendum and big private donors deserting the party during the current turmoil over the leadership, senior sources have said.

>It is understood the party’s finances are severely depleted in comparison with the Conservatives, who have raised nearly £10m more than Labour in recent months.

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jul/05/labour-donor-exodus-struggling-fund-general-election-corbyn
>> No. 75250 Anonymous
6th July 2016
Wednesday 10:02 pm
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>>75249
I guess we'll be getting that snap general election after all.
>> No. 75251 Anonymous
6th July 2016
Wednesday 11:00 pm
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Corbs apologised for Iraq on behalf of Labour.
>> No. 75252 Anonymous
7th July 2016
Thursday 2:05 am
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I'm glad he's still in power. I might actually cast a vote for the silly old sod, but there's no way I'd vote for any of those other plastic politicians.
>> No. 75253 Anonymous
7th July 2016
Thursday 7:17 am
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>>75249
>because of the £5m it spent on the EU referendum

Nice.
>> No. 75254 Anonymous
7th July 2016
Thursday 11:26 am
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Come on Jez. Go after Blair.
>> No. 75255 Anonymous
7th July 2016
Thursday 3:33 pm
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>>75254

That would win him so much popular support.
>> No. 75256 Anonymous
7th July 2016
Thursday 4:38 pm
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>>75255
Maybe, but I could see it splitting the party further between those who support Corbyn's politics and those who would rather see a return to Labour's electoral success during the Blair years.
>> No. 75257 Anonymous
7th July 2016
Thursday 4:42 pm
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>>75256
I see a mass exodus to the Lib Dems coming. Unless of course they want to do the whole SDP thing again, since that worked so brilliantly to keep the Tories out last time.
>> No. 75262 Anonymous
7th July 2016
Thursday 5:46 pm
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>>75254
If it's like everything he's done so far as leader it'll be so half hearted most people won't even notice.
>> No. 75271 Anonymous
7th July 2016
Thursday 10:22 pm
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The rumour mill has it that Owen Smith might make a bid after this weekends talks. I think it would be absolutely mental for multiple candidates given the choice is Corbyn or not Corbyn.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/07/07/labour-leadership-coup-second-rebels-hints-at-challenge-as-owen/

>>75257
This has been promised for a long time now but so far nothing has signalled the start of it. Old-New-Labour running dogs what's your plan here, are you just hanging on until around 2025 when the winds might turn?
>> No. 75293 Anonymous
9th July 2016
Saturday 2:16 pm
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>Angela Eagle is to announce a formal challenge against Jeremy Corbyn for the leadership of the Labour party on Monday, after the deputy leader, Tom Watson, announced that union-backed peace talks over a compromise had collapsed.

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jul/09/jeremy-corbyn-set-for-leadership-challenge-after-peace-talks-fail
>> No. 75295 Anonymous
9th July 2016
Saturday 3:40 pm
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Apparently Cameron is going to push for trident renewal in the labour turmoil. Good move.
>> No. 75298 Anonymous
9th July 2016
Saturday 4:04 pm
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>>75293
Essentially, the unions told them to get fucked and keep Jez.
>> No. 75299 Anonymous
9th July 2016
Saturday 4:07 pm
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>>75293

Why is she announcing an announcement? Why does it seem like she's been trying to make herself come across as even more incompetent than Corbyn?
>> No. 75300 Anonymous
9th July 2016
Saturday 4:23 pm
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>>75299
Because she actually is more incompetent than Corbz.
>> No. 75301 Anonymous
9th July 2016
Saturday 4:30 pm
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>>75299
Posturing to try and make Corbyn leave because this time she's dead serious, honest, she'll challenge on Monday, really this time.
>> No. 75306 Anonymous
9th July 2016
Saturday 6:12 pm
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>>75299

She said she was going to do it a week ago now. Remember she also started crying when she announced her resignation from the cabinet.

YOU LOST AN ELECTION DOING THIS SHIT LAST YEAR, LABOUR MPs! WHAT MAKES YOU THINK YOU GOT MORE POPULAR SINCE THEN?!
>> No. 75307 Anonymous
9th July 2016
Saturday 6:50 pm
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>>75306
>THIS SHIT
What shit? There weren't any resignations from Miliband's cabinet because of no confidence in him.
>> No. 75308 Anonymous
9th July 2016
Saturday 7:41 pm
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>>75307
Corbynites are trying to paint Miliband as a right wing Blairite.
>> No. 75309 Anonymous
9th July 2016
Saturday 7:52 pm
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>>75307

The "shit" they're trying to reinstate into the leadership. IE, a lady Miliband.

>>75308

I'm no "Corbynite" (what happened to "Corbynista" anyway?), but he did win a leadership election and the problems within the Labour party have been totally the fault of needless infighting since the moment Jeremy Corbyn took the leadership. These things are facts, disregard them at your own risk.
>> No. 75311 Anonymous
9th July 2016
Saturday 9:00 pm
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>>75306
Maybe they want to show people just how shit everyone else is.
>> No. 75312 Anonymous
9th July 2016
Saturday 9:00 pm
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>>75309

Corbyn is a hopelessly ineffectual leader whose appeal is too narrow to ever mount a serious electoral threat and Tories like me are absolutely delighted to see him in charge of the Labour Party. These things are facts, and you disregard them at your own risk.
>> No. 75313 Anonymous
9th July 2016
Saturday 9:03 pm
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>>75312
It is better than Tories vs Tories Lite. Besides, you are a cunt, and I don't listen to cunts.

I don't understand people like this. How is a lack of any real opposition a good thing? Do they want a one party state or something?
>> No. 75318 Anonymous
9th July 2016
Saturday 10:22 pm
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>>75312

Are you terrified of are Angie then?
>> No. 75320 Anonymous
9th July 2016
Saturday 10:34 pm
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>>75318
Not him but popped colours are pretty scary. A labour rebel without a cause.
>> No. 75324 Anonymous
9th July 2016
Saturday 11:33 pm
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>>75300

I do wonder which one of the split personalities she is.
>> No. 75326 Anonymous
10th July 2016
Sunday 3:08 am
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>>75250
>I guess we'll be getting that snap general election after all.

I got an email this evening from my party about a rushed local candidate selection in preparation for the possibility of a 'Snap Election called before 31st May 2017' (this means no postal votes for the selection can be made so there is that).

Maybe its just emergency planning or maybe stirring up wild rumours from tidbits of information will make it an inevitability.
>> No. 75330 Anonymous
10th July 2016
Sunday 7:03 am
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>>75318

It genuinely makes me wince when I remember she, on national TV, told people to 'beware the blonde bombshell', referring to herself.
>> No. 75331 Anonymous
10th July 2016
Sunday 7:18 am
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>>75330

Hmm, that is a tad worrying. Also she broke down in tears when she was talking about her resignation on TV. Now, I'm the last person to want a dead eyed bastard bot as PM despite that being the case since essentially forever, but breaking down like is not going to win anyone any votes.
>> No. 75332 Anonymous
10th July 2016
Sunday 7:27 am
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>>75331

She's awful, no idea what the logic behind this is.

Although I did bump into an MP who alluded to the fact she might be set up for a loss, which will then give them an excuse to secede from the Labour Party and make a new progressive one.

It's like the SDP, but they won't become obscure because the 180 or so MPs will beocme the official opposition.

Could be, and probably am, talking complete shit though.
>> No. 75333 Anonymous
10th July 2016
Sunday 7:32 am
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>>75332

>Continue losing forever.

Sounds like a mainstream PLP idea.
>> No. 75340 Anonymous
10th July 2016
Sunday 1:22 pm
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>Tory and Labour MPs have held informal discussions about establishing a new political party in the event of Andrea Leadsom becoming prime minister and Jeremy Corbyn staying as Labour leader, a cabinet minister has disclosed.

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jul/09/labour-tory-mps-talk
>> No. 75341 Anonymous
10th July 2016
Sunday 2:54 pm
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>>75340
I would vote for that.
>> No. 75342 Anonymous
10th July 2016
Sunday 2:58 pm
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>>75340
I'm in!
>> No. 75343 Anonymous
10th July 2016
Sunday 2:59 pm
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>>75342
>>75341
Blairites, not even once.
>> No. 75344 Anonymous
10th July 2016
Sunday 4:01 pm
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zgClG2MU0W4

Hahaha oh my god, she really does have all the charisma of a dishrag.

She makes Corbyn look like Obama. Christ.
>> No. 75349 Anonymous
10th July 2016
Sunday 4:44 pm
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>>75343
You can't deny that the country seemed to go completely tits up almost immediately after Blair left office and has only gotten worse since.
>> No. 75359 Anonymous
10th July 2016
Sunday 5:41 pm
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>>75344

Why does she speak like that? I'm not on about her voice, just the actual way she speaks. She enunciates everything as if she's a bullied school kid trying to stick up for themselves. Almost like she's constnatly on the verge of tears.

Fucking hell.
>> No. 75364 Anonymous
10th July 2016
Sunday 5:58 pm
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>>75344

In the nine months Corbyn has been leader, the Labour Party membership has doubled and is now at its largest in its history. Labour has won every Parliamentary by-election, every mayoral contest, overtook the Tories in the local elections and two-thirds of its supporters voted to remain in the European referendum. (So, he can hardly be blamed for the Leave 'victory'.)

So the problem with Corbyn isn't that he's failing the party because, well, his leadership has provided some surprisingly great results (considering its recent history). So why do so many Labour MPs want him out? I think it's because he threatens the ideological underpinnings of the Establishment, that so many former-radicals have wedded themselves to: which can be summarized as 'neo-liberal'.

We saw this with the DNC in the USA. Even though Sanders had a 13-15 point lead over the Republican nominee - when Clinton had a 2-3 lead in most, and was neck to neck in others - they still did everything they could to prevent his ascendancy: funding Hillary's campaign and not his, demonizing his supporters and him (and in the process inventing the bizarre 'Bernie Bros'), and rolling out 'popular' Democratic figures, one after the other, to claim misogynistic Sanders was hurting the party. At times, their pathological desire to get her elected seemed suicidal, especially when it still looked possible that the FBI might drag her into a courtroom at any given moment.

The new New Left the West over can't quite understand that their detachment from the main - in order to pursue greater military reach, a stronger special relationship, a pro-Lords, pro-monarchy and slavishly pro-business platform - the so-called Third Way, is a mistake. And not the pioneering new direction of 21st century politics.

They simply can't understand that most leftists, the young in particular, still cherish the values that make the Left the Left. Equality, worker control, moral foreign policy, republicanism - all these the former has been willing to abandon in the name of legitimacy and an easy life.

So, let this sorry lot try to re-take the Labour Party and fail miserably. Let them form their own party, and crash there too. Maybe then, they'll realise what uninteresting and worthless cunts they've been.
>> No. 75365 Anonymous
10th July 2016
Sunday 6:01 pm
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>>75364

But people have had the option to vote for Jeremy level policies in the SWP for years and similar parties, they never do. All that has happened with Corbyn is that a load of his mates have engagedin some entryism and now they're riding off Labour's support it's built up being a non-nutcase party.

Why not just join the SWP , be pure and run on all these ideals with no problem? Because no fucker wants to vote for them.
>> No. 75366 Anonymous
10th July 2016
Sunday 6:04 pm
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>>75365

How do you explain Corbyn's success then?
>> No. 75374 Anonymous
10th July 2016
Sunday 6:26 pm
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Labour has done well in spite of Corbyn not because of him. Notice the kind of wing Sadiq Khan sits on for example or that despite everything the Tories have done they still stand a good chance of winning a future general.

As for membership levels its irrelevant at actually getting into government, the extremist vote only matters when the public doesn't bother. I mean for God's sake, even Ed was unpalatable to the public.
>> No. 75380 Anonymous
10th July 2016
Sunday 6:32 pm
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>>75374
>even Ed was unpalatable to the public
"Even".

Hahaha oh my God.
>> No. 75382 Anonymous
10th July 2016
Sunday 6:36 pm
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>Labour has won every Parliamentary by-election, every mayoral contest, overtook the Tories in the local elections and two-thirds of its supporters voted to remain in the European referendum. (So, he can hardly be blamed for the Leave 'victory'.)

You cannot be serious. Labour have no competitor in any of those by-elections, mayoral contests are held in already strong Labour areas and the local election results, whilst not a complete disaster, signal a party on its way to losing the next general election h a r d.

>Equality, worker control, moral foreign policy, republicanism
Some of this is pure conjecture (republicanism), some of it is ridiculous (moral foreign policy - what does that even mean? Wonder how many of you cunts voted Labour in 2001?).

>all these the former has been willing to abandon in the name of legitimacy and an easy life.
It's the young, my generation, seeking exactly that.

The Blairites have no future, that's for sure, but neither does the hard left.
>> No. 75390 Anonymous
10th July 2016
Sunday 7:41 pm
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>Labour has won every Parliamentary by-election
At this time in the political cycle, you should expect nothing less.

>every mayoral contest
Yes, they won London, as was widely expected, and a couple of other mayorships that are utterly fucking irrelevant.

>overtook the Tories in the local elections
It wasn't the disaster that everyone was predicting, but they still lost a handful of seats when they should have been picking up a couple of hundred.

>and two-thirds of its supporters voted to remain in the European referendum.
Meaning one-third of its supporters ignored the official party line. This is, of course, assuming you haven't just pulled the number out of your arse, given that the numbers on the night suggest there's no way it was that low.

So congratulations, he's got high marks on his Foundation tier GCSE Labour Leadership. He definitely hasn't got anything worse than a D.
>> No. 75391 Anonymous
10th July 2016
Sunday 7:58 pm
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>>75382

>Some of this is pure conjecture (republicanism)

Surely you can't be this unaware of this country's long and vibrant tradition of republicanism?

Paine, Carlile, Blake, Byron, Shelly, Russell, the New Left, punk, Charter 88...

It's a steadier and far more respectable tradition than the one provided by the House of Windsor.
>> No. 75392 Anonymous
10th July 2016
Sunday 8:46 pm
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>>75374

>Labour members are "extremists"

What the fecking fug are you chatting on about?
>> No. 75393 Anonymous
10th July 2016
Sunday 8:56 pm
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So fucking sick of hearing about how Corbyn apparently can't win an election. That's not the only point.

I wouldn’t want Labour to win on a Blairite platform. Even if I thought that was the route to victory, I wouldn’t want them to take it, because even if they did win it wouldn’t be right because it wouldn’t take the country forward, it would take it backwards. That’s why it’s not the right thing to do.
>> No. 75394 Anonymous
10th July 2016
Sunday 9:05 pm
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>>75393
But m8, Blair introduced the minimum wage. So, you're wrong somehow.
>> No. 75395 Anonymous
10th July 2016
Sunday 9:08 pm
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>>75393
To achieve anything you need to comprimise. If you're content achieving fuck all, then enjoy.
>> No. 75396 Anonymous
10th July 2016
Sunday 9:13 pm
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>>75395
Compromise, sorry.
>> No. 75397 Anonymous
10th July 2016
Sunday 9:21 pm
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>>75395
I'm content not taking the country backwards, which is what a victory on a Blairite platform would do.
>> No. 75398 Anonymous
10th July 2016
Sunday 9:27 pm
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>>75397
It's best you stop thinking in terms like 'backwards' and 'forwards' because you'll soon realise they aren't actually a Thing.
>> No. 75400 Anonymous
10th July 2016
Sunday 9:33 pm
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>>75398
Wow, deep.
>> No. 75401 Anonymous
10th July 2016
Sunday 9:35 pm
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>>75400
Do you have anything valuable to say?
>> No. 75402 Anonymous
10th July 2016
Sunday 9:44 pm
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>>75392
Corbyns core supporters are radical left which is an irrelevant proportion of the British public. After a point appealing to core voters doesn't win anything but a smug sense of moral superiority as the Tories maul the NHS and whatever else you care about.

The Tories understood this with Cameron. You can either compromise and build a broad tent of support or wallow in political irrelevance.

>>75393
>I wouldn’t want Labour to win on a Blairite platform

Classic monochrome thinking. The real enemies are always the social democrats isn't that right, comrade?
>> No. 75403 Anonymous
10th July 2016
Sunday 9:57 pm
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>Classic monochrome thinking. The real enemies are always the social democrats isn't that right, comrade?
pssst!

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/tony-blair-says-he-wouldn-t-want-a-left-wing-labour-party-to-win-an-election-10406928.html

>“Let me make my position clear: I wouldn’t want to win on an old-fashioned leftist platform. Even if I thought it was the route to victory, I wouldn’t take it.”

>“Even if you did [win] it wouldn’t be right because it wouldn’t take the country forward, it would take it backwards. That’s why it’s not the right thing to do.”

But no, the Labour right's issue with Corbyn is just genuine concerns about electability. 100%.
>> No. 75404 Anonymous
10th July 2016
Sunday 10:39 pm
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>>75403
Well played!
>> No. 75406 Anonymous
10th July 2016
Sunday 11:09 pm
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>>75403
But he's Tony Blair and therefore anything he says can be safely ignored, given he has about as much sincerity as Hughie Green.
>> No. 75414 Anonymous
11th July 2016
Monday 1:04 pm
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New Labour is killing the left. Chuka Umunna was just sticking up for Blair on The Daily Politics. Blair's the least liked politician in the country. These people know nothing of how to win a vote.
>> No. 75415 Anonymous
11th July 2016
Monday 1:42 pm
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>>75414
You don't need New Labour to kill the left, lad.
>> No. 75417 Anonymous
11th July 2016
Monday 1:43 pm
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>>75414
Yes they do. We just have to re-capture the centre ground and show appeal to aspirational voters. By showing that Labour doesn't hate people who want to get ahead and encourages aspirational behaviour we can re-capture the centre ground and win elections. Tony Blair won 3 elections by centre ground aspiration centre centre aspiration aspiration aspiration centre TONY BENN far left MICHAEL FOOT Baron Kinnock of Bedwellty 1983 1979 1994 1992 1997 centre aspiration centre working people the right thing to do THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS SOCI--MAKE SURE THAT DAVID BECKHAM EARNS LESS MONEY!!!!!

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>> No. 75419 Anonymous
11th July 2016
Monday 1:58 pm
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http://order-order.com/2016/07/11/angela-all-alone/

Fucking hell I feel bad for her. Someone should get her an ice cream at least.
>> No. 75420 Anonymous
11th July 2016
Monday 2:08 pm
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>>75419

Is she taking the piss? The PLP must be raking the piss. None of this is really happening, it's all a hilarious misunderstanding/terrible fever dream heralding my onrushing oblivion.
>> No. 75421 Anonymous
11th July 2016
Monday 2:13 pm
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>Is she taking the piss?
I'm surprised anyone here would need to ask.
>> No. 75424 Anonymous
11th July 2016
Monday 2:42 pm
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This Stuart Hall quote from 1981 is always worth reposting as its truth is proven again and again:

>“The right of the labour movement, to be honest, has no ideas of any compelling quality, except the instinct for short-term political survival. It would not know an ideological struggle if it stumbled across one in the dark. The only ‘struggle’ it engages in with any trace of conviction is the one against the left.”
>> No. 75425 Anonymous
11th July 2016
Monday 2:46 pm
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The BBC has finally shown for my benefit the relevant section of the Labour Party rulebook that people are arguing about whether it allows Corbyn to automatically be on the ballot.

Now, I can see how this is open to interpretation. But the preceding sentence states "nominations may be sought by potential challengers ... In this case any nomination must be supported by 20 percent ..." So I think it's referring only to nominations by challengers, not nominations by anyone.
>> No. 75427 Anonymous
11th July 2016
Monday 3:19 pm
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This fucking website, man...
>> No. 75428 Anonymous
11th July 2016
Monday 3:27 pm
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>>75427
Looks alright to me. Is your only problem that it doesn't display well on mobile?

That said I had scripts disabled at first so the Experience tab just said 'Angela has experience'. And the Leadership tab is also a joke. One video?
>> No. 75430 Anonymous
11th July 2016
Monday 3:34 pm
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>>75428
That is the most immediately obvious of many problems.

It's like they're deliberately sabotaging their professionalism/competence argument against Corbyn.
>> No. 75437 Anonymous
11th July 2016
Monday 5:28 pm
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uTk6vRI3w3Y

That awkward moment when the media have fucked off to May/Leadsom.
>> No. 75444 Anonymous
11th July 2016
Monday 7:02 pm
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https://twitter.com/jeremyforlabour/status/752493345612652544

"Angela, you voted for the Iraq war, against an investigation into the war, for tuition fe-"

"Nice meme!!"
>> No. 75445 Anonymous
11th July 2016
Monday 7:05 pm
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This is honestly excruciating to watch. Fuck me.
>> No. 75446 Anonymous
11th July 2016
Monday 7:09 pm
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>>75444
It goes on like this.
>> No. 75450 Anonymous
11th July 2016
Monday 7:38 pm
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>>75446
Corbyn's retard army marches on.
>> No. 75451 Anonymous
11th July 2016
Monday 8:13 pm
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>>75450
All glory to Corbychev!

(A good day to you Sir!)
>> No. 75452 Anonymous
11th July 2016
Monday 8:48 pm
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>>75450
To be honest I'd call them useful idiots, but mean it as a compliment.

Blairite MPs must go.
>> No. 75453 Anonymous
11th July 2016
Monday 8:53 pm
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>>75452
How could you mean that as a compliment?
>> No. 75454 Anonymous
11th July 2016
Monday 9:07 pm
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>>75451
Eagle is going to get the floor wiped with her isn't she?
>> No. 75455 Anonymous
11th July 2016
Monday 9:12 pm
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>>75453
Essentially "Doing the right thing for the wrong reasons" combined with putting higher value on the right thing being done than the justifications for doing it.

Note that I'm using "useful idiot" for fun, in the raw sense of idiots who are useful instead of the standard use of idiots who are being manipulated.
>> No. 75456 Anonymous
11th July 2016
Monday 9:13 pm
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>>75454
She's going to get at least 20 years in the gulag.
>> No. 75457 Anonymous
11th July 2016
Monday 9:31 pm
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Hahaha, you think she's lucky enough to get away with hard labour?

(A good day to you Sir!)
>> No. 75458 Anonymous
11th July 2016
Monday 11:07 pm
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The site does leave something to be desired. In fact its fucking dire with infuriating little mistakes everywhere like it was rushed through on Sunday night.

This is bullshit, either PLP members need to throw their hat in and force her out or they need to start putting their necks on the line over this. I want the centrist parts of labour to spin off into the lib dems but not like this.
>> No. 75459 Anonymous
11th July 2016
Monday 11:20 pm
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>Angela Eagle to face deselection battle from Wallasey Labour members

http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-news/angela-eagle-face-deselection-battle-11596763.amp
>> No. 75461 Anonymous
12th July 2016
Tuesday 12:00 am
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Hopefully they're not that stupid.
>> No. 75462 Anonymous
12th July 2016
Tuesday 1:06 am
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Yeah, what with a huge 60% majority and a historical trend of decreasing Tory and increasing Labour vote share. So stupid.
>> No. 75463 Anonymous
12th July 2016
Tuesday 1:35 am
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It's not exactly "pig in a red rosette" territory.
>> No. 75464 Anonymous
12th July 2016
Tuesday 1:42 am
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Also, nice made-up trendlines you have there. Look, I can make them too!
>> No. 75465 Anonymous
12th July 2016
Tuesday 1:48 am
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What are you on about? I asked my spreadsheet application to make a trend line and that was what it provided. So unless you're suggesting my computer has a secret e-political cyberagenda, why do you think I made them up?
>> No. 75466 Anonymous
12th July 2016
Tuesday 2:25 am
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It turns out that asking your spreadsheet application to make a trend line does not necessarily yield a trend.
>> No. 75467 Anonymous
12th July 2016
Tuesday 2:31 am
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Serious question, do you know what a p value is?
>> No. 75468 Anonymous
12th July 2016
Tuesday 2:36 am
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>>75467
Yes. It's a quantity often mistaken for the probability that a given outcome occurs by chance, and has no relevance to this discussion. Do you know what an R2 value is?
>> No. 75469 Anonymous
12th July 2016
Tuesday 3:44 am
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>>75467

You should both be ashamed of having a wiggly line through all these graphs >>75466 >>75462
>> No. 75470 Anonymous
12th July 2016
Tuesday 3:50 am
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>>75468
Good, then which of the trends in >>75466 and>>75462 do you think has the smallest p value?
>> No. 75471 Anonymous
12th July 2016
Tuesday 6:57 am
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I think you're taking the p value, IYKWIM.
>> No. 75472 Anonymous
12th July 2016
Tuesday 7:51 am
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"I'm not in the Westminster bubble, I travel back to my constituency for weekly surgeries." - Angela Eagle.
>> No. 75473 Anonymous
12th July 2016
Tuesday 9:13 am
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>>75472
If she wins, who's up for a sweepstake on time before breakdown / resignation?
Is she dim or oblivious?
>> No. 75474 Anonymous
12th July 2016
Tuesday 9:23 am
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>>75461
Wasn't down to her skill at all.
Tory Majority was already plunging when she got in.
http://wire.novaramedia.com/2016/07/how-angela-eagle-got-to-be-mp-for-wallasey/
>> No. 75478 Anonymous
12th July 2016
Tuesday 10:34 am
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>has no relevance to this discussion
>> No. 75480 Anonymous
12th July 2016
Tuesday 11:11 am
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>>75474
I'm not sure what you want us to take from that article, which appears to be written by a Marxist sympathiser annoyed that his candidate of choice was deselected.
>> No. 75483 Anonymous
12th July 2016
Tuesday 12:44 pm
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>>75480

Perhaps, but the closing line rings very true;

>"She [Angela Eagle] is firmly embedded in, and indeed owes her parliamentary career to, a political culture that accepts party democracy only when it produces the ‘right’ results."

The entire culture of post-Blair Labour (perhaps before that too but I'm too young to have observed it), seems utterly barmy. They speak of electablity before decrying the results of the leadership election, demanding Brexit be dismissed, defending Blair, floating the idea of hopping aboard the sinking ship that is the Lib Dems and ignoring the massively anti-establishment mood of the electorate. They're unrelentingly focused inwards, to the repeated harm of the party. It's made them deeply paranoid and completely detached to the world around them. Even prior to Corbyn's victory they were terrified of deselection and ultra-left wing witch hunts, none of which came to pass, meaning they had to settle for cherry picked rude Tweets. Indeed, Corbyn went to opposite route and filled his shadow cabinet with people who'd opposed him. However, they still went on TV and grimaced and squirmed when asked simple questions like "do you think your party leader would make a good PM?" If you can't immediately answer "yes" to that, then maybe you ought to lose your seat. Not because of any spite I might feel towards you, but because you're not going to get people voting for a party, any party, if it looks like it's own MPs wouldn't.

I honestly believed that the mainstream PLP would swallow it's pride, knuckle down and get on with job of winning a general election once the EU referendum was over. But for some reason, they didn't. For some reason not one of them has ever heard the phrase "tough shit". Because that's all Corbyn being leader is, it's tough shit. If you don't like it, fine, but that doesn't mean you get to toss your toys out of the pram. If any of the rebelling MPs, at least the ones who've effectively being doing so since day zero of Corbyn's tenure, can honestly say they've done all they can for the Labour party's chances of forming a government, then they may seriously need to consider a full psychiatric assessment.

To sum up; I suppose what I really see is that the mainstream PLP are the radicals. They're the ideologically obsessive ones posing a threat to democracy, not Corbyn, a man who's "zen-like" smile on The Andrew Marr Show conveyed, to myself at least, a man totally bemused by all that's going on around him. Because, as Margaret Hodge herself admitted this morning, they're "taking it a day at a time", which basically means they don't have clue in hell what they're actually playing at.

Apologies for the massive post, but all these thoughts would have otherwise formed a brain tumour.
>> No. 75485 Anonymous
12th July 2016
Tuesday 1:15 pm
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His candidate of choice was deselected, then all the rules were thrown out to stop him contesting it. He was also the victim of friendly fire from another Labour MP. The party buggered him. This will almost certainly be the line that spurs further discussion in this post despite being of lesser importance, as though I actually care about the internal politics of the Labour party from 20 years ago.

But more importantly (and to be fair I could've just gone to Wikipedia and linked the constituency page, but that article was already in my history so easier to nab a link) it notes the Tory majority was <300 before Eagle came along, countering the idea that some unique skill or appeal of hers took the seat or that kicking her out would be a mistake. That's my main point. You could've put an actual (avian) Eagle's corpse in a red rosette by that point and it'd be MP for Wallasey.
>> No. 75486 Anonymous
12th July 2016
Tuesday 1:58 pm
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You seem to be suggesting that Wallasey is solid red and was won by accident. Clearly it wasn't, and anyone who looks at the information and comes to that conclusion is either a blithering idiot or a Marxist in denial. Birkenhead next door is solid red, and has been for a long time, and the voters there would mark any box with the words "Labour Party" next to it. Wallasey is very different. The constituency comprises six electoral divisions, each with three seats on Wirral MBC. Seacombe and Liscard are safe Labour wards. Moreton West and Wallasey are safe Tory wards. New Brighton and Moreton East are competitive - both Labour and Conservative councillors have represented the latter within the past five years.

If the theory that the hard left candidate was sabotaged is to hold, then, since the party machinery is against Corbyn and Frank Field is still MP for Birkenhead, it must follow that any hard left candidate that deposes Angela Eagle is going to face the same challenge, and certainly would not inherit her sizable majority.
>> No. 75487 Anonymous
12th July 2016
Tuesday 2:09 pm
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You've claimed that yes, but I disagree. What point were you trying to make with >>75466? To me it looks very much like you've taken 100 pseudo-random numbers between 0 and 100 and fitted a trend with a slight positive gradient to them. Presumably the point being that this gradient is insignificant, which is what the p value would tell you. Compared to >>75462 and>>75464 where there are fairly clear trends, which would be reflected in the p value.

R^2 is not really relevant in this context, as it is a measure of variance. You can have data with a lot of variance but still extract a trend, as shown. The R^2 is shitty because of all the random noise, but the p value o the gradient is low enough to show that the trend is still significant.
>> No. 75488 Anonymous
12th July 2016
Tuesday 2:30 pm
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The p-value isn't relevant here because you have nothing with which to measure it, and even if you did it would be meaningless. It wouldn't tell you whether or not your trend is significant. Have a play with http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/p-hacking/ and find that you can generate contradictory "trends" with low p-values but which don't actually tell you anything.
>> No. 75489 Anonymous
12th July 2016
Tuesday 4:21 pm
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I think you've missed the point; that of what you linked isn't to show that the p value is useless but to show that the convention in some fields for arbitrarily choosing p = 0.05 as the cut-off for significance is flawed and other factors must be taken into account before deciding if the data is publishable.

This is the reason why the Higgs couldn't be announced as being discovered until the data had a p-value less than 5 sigma (~10^-7). Though you could say this is just as arbitrary as 0.05, it is clearly orders of magnitude more significant.
>> No. 75494 Anonymous
12th July 2016
Tuesday 5:11 pm
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>>75489
None of which makes p-values any less irrelevant in this case.

What would you assert as your null in the voting results charts? What would the associated null model be?
>> No. 75495 Anonymous
12th July 2016
Tuesday 5:24 pm
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>>75494
That there is no increasing or decreasing trend for a given party between given start and end points? You know, the standard null hypothesis for testing the significance of a trend line.
>> No. 75497 Anonymous
12th July 2016
Tuesday 5:40 pm
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>Labour NEC chair tells Corbyn to leave the room but Corbyn refuses to go.

https://twitter.com/MichaelLCrick/status/752884583125905408

Coverage so far by the Graun suggests Corbyn won't automatically be on the leadership ballot.
>> No. 75498 Anonymous
12th July 2016
Tuesday 5:40 pm
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>>75495
>That there is no increasing or decreasing trend for a given party between given start and end points?
Which would be a very silly thing to suppose about multi-party election results over 90 years, therefore not a useful null and yielding a p-value that doesn't mean anything. You haven't even put forward a model. If the null was going to be that there is a trend, then you can use the trend line as your model. What would you use as your model?

FWIW, with the random numbers, I calculated test statistics for two nulls: that there is a trend, using the trend line as the model, and that there is no trend, using 50.5 as the expected value each time (they're integers 1 to 100). Both yielded p < 0.0001.

Why are you going to such lengths to deny the simple fact that any challenger from the left will not find Wallasey to be as safe as it is for Angela?
>> No. 75499 Anonymous
12th July 2016
Tuesday 5:43 pm
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Which means he'll need to find 10 MEPs to get behind him. Which might be difficult, given the lists were set by the party machinery in 2014.

Alternatively, he can try persuading 10 of the MPs that voted in favour of the confidence motion to at least let him get on the ballot, though some of those who nominated him last time already regret doing that.
>> No. 75500 Anonymous
12th July 2016
Tuesday 6:06 pm
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Some people are crying foul given that, as leader, he is a member of the NEC ex officio and has every right to be in the room. They are, of course, forgetting that the chair has the authority to exclude anyone, and since he has a conflict of interest he would be expected to recuse himself anyway.
>> No. 75504 Anonymous
12th July 2016
Tuesday 6:24 pm
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What are you on about? Someone (>>75466) was suggesting that the trend lines in >>75462 weren't valid. The standard way to show that a linear trend isn't significant is to calculate its p-value with respect to a constant model.

I'm not sure how exactly you've managed to cock-up your numbers but from plotting 100 pseudo-random numbers and attempting to fit a 'trend' you can see that the p-value confirms that the linear gradient isn't significant, but the constant intercept is.

As for the politics, I couldn't really give a shit. I was just making a point about the stats.
>> No. 75505 Anonymous
12th July 2016
Tuesday 6:36 pm
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>Someone (>>75466) was suggesting that the trend lines in >>75462 weren't valid.
I was actually suggesting they were comparing apples to oranges and getting cherries, but by all means continue to spout irrelevant bollocks which has nothing to do with how the local Momentumlad won't have it quite as easy as the current incumbent.
>> No. 75508 Anonymous
12th July 2016
Tuesday 6:52 pm
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>>75505
>I was actually suggesting they were comparing apples to oranges and getting cherries

Again, what are you on about? I'm not sure you're even on the same planet as the rest of us mate.
>> No. 75520 Anonymous
12th July 2016
Tuesday 7:59 pm
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hurrah
>> No. 75521 Anonymous
12th July 2016
Tuesday 7:59 pm
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>>75497
Oh look, the coverage is wrong. Who could have predicted?
>> No. 75523 Anonymous
12th July 2016
Tuesday 8:06 pm
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>>75521
Probably more wishful thinking from the Guardian than anything.

If I join the Labour party now will I have time to vote?
>> No. 75524 Anonymous
12th July 2016
Tuesday 8:32 pm
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>>75523
http://www.labour.org.uk/w/labour-party-supporters
>> No. 75529 Anonymous
12th July 2016
Tuesday 9:38 pm
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>>75523
Apparently nobody who joined after February is allowed to vote.
£3 sign ups are going up to £25, and there will be a 2 day window to sign up.
>> No. 75530 Anonymous
12th July 2016
Tuesday 10:00 pm
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Rejoice, Labour has been slain.
>> No. 75531 Anonymous
12th July 2016
Tuesday 10:03 pm
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>>75529
>£3 sign ups are going up to £25, and there will be a 2 day window to sign up.
Surely that won't stop Corbyn's supporters, who are uniformly champagne socialist Londoners with no real connections to the working class they claim to represent??
>> No. 75532 Anonymous
12th July 2016
Tuesday 10:04 pm
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Note that if any of you actually do want to vote, you can join the Fabians or an affiliate union for much less than £25.
>> No. 75533 Anonymous
12th July 2016
Tuesday 10:07 pm
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>>75530

I can't imagine what it's like destroying a whole political party and movement and turning it into a protest group because I'm a selfish cunt.

Mental
>> No. 75534 Anonymous
12th July 2016
Tuesday 10:14 pm
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>>75533
I can't imagine what it's like destroying a whole political party and movement and turning it into a Tory lite third way shitheap that Thatcher was proud to call her greatest achievement because I'm a liberal cunt.

Mental.
>> No. 75535 Anonymous
12th July 2016
Tuesday 10:34 pm
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>>75534
Because Labour was doing so well before they compromised on their far left views to what the electorate actually wanted right? I mean, given how vilified Thatcher is for all she did, imagine how completely useless Labour must have been at the time to lose three successive elections to her?
>> No. 75536 Anonymous
12th July 2016
Tuesday 10:39 pm
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>>75535
And? Losing is preferable to winning on Blair's platform. Even if I thought it was the route to victory, I wouldn't support it.
>> No. 75537 Anonymous
12th July 2016
Tuesday 10:42 pm
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>>75536
Good chap.
>> No. 75539 Anonymous
12th July 2016
Tuesday 10:47 pm
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>>75536
>Fuck those grapes. They were probably sour anyway.
>> No. 75540 Anonymous
12th July 2016
Tuesday 11:03 pm
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Seriously, even if Labour did win on a Blairite platform, it wouldn’t be right. It wouldn’t take the country forward, it would take it backwards. That’s why it’s not the right thing to do.
>> No. 75541 Anonymous
12th July 2016
Tuesday 11:16 pm
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>>75540
Who gets to define 'forwards' and 'backwards' in this context? That's the biggest problem I have with a lot of 'progressive' politicians and supporters; the arrogance that their chosen direction of forward progress is the only possible one.
>> No. 75542 Anonymous
12th July 2016
Tuesday 11:19 pm
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>>75540
The fuck does 'backwards' mean?
>> No. 75543 Anonymous
12th July 2016
Tuesday 11:23 pm
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>>75531
It sounds like a cash grab more than anything. Milk the short term members to fund any snap general election now that party finances are a mess.

>>75540
>It wouldn’t take the country forward, it would take it backwards

Yeah lad, we must move forward, not backward; upward, not forward; and always twirling, twirling, twirling towards freedom!

I'm voting Kang
>> No. 75544 Anonymous
12th July 2016
Tuesday 11:36 pm
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>>75542
backwards
/ˈbakwədz/
adverb

1. (of a movement) in the direction of one's back.
"Penny glanced backwards"
synonyms: towards the rear, rearwards, backward, behind one
"Penny glanced backwards"


2. (of an object's motion) back towards the starting point.
"the tape rolled backwards"
>> No. 75545 Anonymous
13th July 2016
Wednesday 12:10 am
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>>75544
So what you're saying is we will move back to a time before 9/11 when Labour was in power, the countries finances were in order, healthcare was improving and we'd sit down with our families to watch 'Who Wants to be a Millionaire' (a million pounds was allot of money back then).

I mean you're not making a lot of sense here. Corbyn himself is a thoroughly backwards candidate looking to go all the way back to the 1970s.
>> No. 75546 Anonymous
13th July 2016
Wednesday 12:27 am
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>>75540
I wonder how many times people will keep falling for this.
>> No. 75547 Anonymous
13th July 2016
Wednesday 12:46 am
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>>75545
I want Tony Blair to come back and be prime minister again.

There, I said it, are you happy now?
>> No. 75548 Anonymous
13th July 2016
Wednesday 1:20 am
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>>75546
Didn't honestly think I'd get anyone again after just three days. Britfa.gs/pol/ continues to live down to expectations.
>> No. 75557 Anonymous
13th July 2016
Wednesday 6:31 am
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>Former shadow cabinet member Owen Smith will announce his intention to stand for the Labour leadership later.

>The Pontypridd MP, who resigned as shadow work and pensions secretary last month, will join Angela Eagle in challenging Jeremy Corbyn.

>Labour Party members need to have signed up on or before 12 January to be eligible to vote in the leadership contest. Registered supporter status - which gives people a one-off vote if they pay a fee - will cost £25 this time, instead of £3 in the run-up to last September's vote, which Mr Corbyn won.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-36780715

So much for Kinnock encouraging people to sign up now to vote against Corbyn.
>> No. 75560 Anonymous
13th July 2016
Wednesday 12:06 pm
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>>75557
If the Blairites are so split as to not be able to agree on a single candidate then this election is over before it starts. If the M(E)Ps have any sense they will say they are backing Eagle when he comes to them for nominations.