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|>>|| No. 80531
I think it's time for a new Corbyn thread.
The previous thread (>>73072) is reaching critical mass. In combination with the original thread (>>64990) we've had over 4,700 posts on Dear Leader since August last year. That's a lot of shitposting. Keep up the good work, lads.
|>>|| No. 82028
None and some of the alleged Tory plans a very questionable in themselves. Motions towards withdrawing from the ECHR for instance were cut because of Brexit and although Theresa is a loon for it she explicitly pledged in the leadership election that she would not seek to leave.
Maybe Corbyn being leave-in-the-closet helped swing the EU referendum but its unlikely and the current plan for shifting convention rights into UK law is for a 2020 election manifesto. When Labour get an absolute pasting in the next general of course the Tories will be able to wave through their changes to human rights law as a manifesto pledge.
|>>|| No. 82063
It is Jeremy’s commitments to peace, to equality and to investment-led growth that set him apart from the well-trodden political failures of the past. But we should be clear; it is also this opposition to war, to dolphin rape and to austerity that draws so much criticism from the Tories, the Tory press and all the proponents of business-as-usual in British politics.
One of their current arguments is that Labour’s difficulties in the polls are all attributable to him and that if only we had a new leader, almost any leader, then this would resolve our problems. This is completely untrue.
We can go further. Compared to all his critics, Jeremy Corbyn is worth about 18-20 percentage points to Labour’s vote. Without him, and led by any one of his vocal critics we could easily be languishing in single digits in polls.
There we have it. According to Diane Abbott Labour could fall below 10% if he's ousted and replaced by one of those bloody Blairites.
|>>|| No. 82064
So, Labour's future is either "unelectable" or "level pegging with the Lib Dems". At this rate, we might as well not bother with elections at all.
|>>|| No. 82065
Corbyn's personal net approval rating, polled last month amongst Londoners, is -44%. The last nationwide one I saw, just before the the two by-elections, had him at -38%.
The notion that Labour would poll worse without him is laughable, except in the minds of cult followers like Diane.
|>>|| No. 82067
I can't help but think that right now Labour would be better off under Peter Sutcliffe.
|>>|| No. 82068
Until you remember that to get rid of him entails a third leadership contest and possible coup.
Hope it happens, honestly, and I hope Labour's stuck with another nutter. The party is long overdue for replacement.
|>>|| No. 82070
>Hope it happens
Let's see how badly they do in the upcoming local elections.
|>>|| No. 82074
I predict Labour suffering a number of embarrassing losses without being completely wiped out followed by nothing happening. There is nobody to lead a coup and he still has his strong base among labour voters anyway.
Instead voters will vote Tory purely because its not Corbyn forgetting the alternatives meaning this bizarre video will be viewed as a success:
While the Labour ad will be viewed as a failure despite being pretty good and made sure Corbyn doesn't appear:
The Lib Dem one is pure shite but maybe an unimpressive local election result will give them a kick up the arse.
|>>|| No. 82076
I couldn't watch either of these all the way through. They're both so vapid. At least the Conservative one is actually positive. The Labour one is all doom and gloom. Rather than inspire people to vote it's more likely to make people despair and think there's no point.
Innit. The difference is night and day.
I liked the woman who had to mime writing to ask for a pencil.
|>>|| No. 82077
>it's more likely to make people despair and think there's no point.
I told them not to make a documentary! I told them!
|>>|| No. 82078
Corbyn unable to find any free toilet seats on vir.jpg
Just imagine how a 2017 remake would play-out. Shellsuits, a grinning Gerry Adams and at the polling station he has to vote on the floor!
>I couldn't watch either of these all the way through. They're both so vapid.
Well they are political broadcasts. The negativity can be explained by the upcoming elections being local which are commonly used as a measure of how the public feel about the direction of the sitting government.
Look at this spooky labour ad from 1996:
|>>|| No. 82079
Is she trying to get the feminist vote with that haircut? Is it sexist to even suggest so?
|>>|| No. 82081
Older women usually get those pudding-bowl haircuts to disguise the fact that their hair is thinning.
|>>|| No. 82084
I refreshed the page and had a giggle at this, despite having written it myself.
|>>|| No. 82085
Do you think that couple in the first segment remembered to turn off their poison sockets?
|>>|| No. 82087
Why do people like this doddering old fashioned commie? Is it because the neocom blairite slime are so unlikeable?
|>>|| No. 82094
Islam uses cominturd retards to fulfil their own agenda, hence their hatred of jewland
|>>|| No. 82107
Yes. But don't forget, he is a pair of rose tinted glasses. He represents Old Labour, before Tony Blair accepted Thatcher's paradigm. He's an alternative.
|>>|| No. 82129
>NO, NICOLA! Jeremy Corbyn forced to rule out Election ‘alliance’ with the SNP after Nicola Sturgeon called for a deal to stop the Tories
>In a statement, Jeremy Corbyn tore into the SNP - and labelled it a party of the “right”. He said there could be no progressive alliance with a party that isn’t progressive.
>“The SNP may talk left at Westminster but in government in Scotland it acts right, a genuinely progressive party would not refuse to introduce a 50p top rate of income tax on the richest.” He added: “There will be no coalition deal with the SNP and a Labour government. Nicola Sturgeon is trying to convince people in Scotland that you can get rid of the Tories by voting SNP. She couldn’t be more wrong. Only Labour or the Tories can win this Election and voting Labour is the only way to remove Theresa May from office.”
I'm surprised Sturgeon would even suggest such a thing. Its like she wants the Tories to continue ruling in England.
|>>|| No. 82131
>People earning above £70,000 a year could be asked to pay more tax under a Labour government, shadow chancellor John McDonnell has suggested.
>He said he wanted to see a "fair taxation system" with corporations and the rich paying more. Labour is also planning to link senior executives' pay to the average wage of the workers in the same company. Mr McDonnell said a fair taxation system would see "the corporations and the rich pay their way more".
>"That means ending the tax giveaways to the corporations and also those in inheritance tax, capital gains tax and the bankers' levy - all of those giveaways under this government," he told BBC Radio 4's Today programme.
>"The rich will be above £70,000 to £80,000 a year - and that's roughly defined as what people feel is an earning whereby people feel they can pay more."
>Mr McDonnell said middle and low earners were "being hit very hard" with a combination of income tax rises and "attempts by this government to increase National Insurance payments on the self-employed".
As a basic rate taxpayer I must have missed these income tax rises which have hit my very hard. All I've noted under the Tories is my personal allowance going up and up.
|>>|| No. 82132
It fascinates me how Tony Benn (from whom I gather Corbyn more or less traces his political lineage.) is now amongst the go-to examples for "old Labour", given amongst the last acts of Old Labour in government were to ensure the 1979 manifesto was lukewarm social democracy instead of letting Tony Benn write the thing like in 1974.
Even there the comparisons get more fascinating, since each pre-79 Labour government compromised more and more (Yet somehow, strangely, never became so distasteful a compromise as Blairism, even when Callaghan was pushing early neoliberalism at the behest of the IMF.) before definitively collapsing. I'm sure there's a reason for it - maybe it's links with the unions, maybe it's some abstract sense that they were fighting to improve the strategic position of the left overall. (Where Blair more-or-less accepted what I've usefully learned is called capitalist realism, doing little to rebuild trade unions or the wider left, to counter the influence of the media, etc. Instead accepting that only policy concession could keep the party electable - but then the sheen of modernisation wore off...)
Which is doubly fascinating because of how the Labour left go about it today. Some of them still dislike Wilson and Callaghan as compromising traitors, while others accept them as being far more left wing than the left-of-the-day would've accepted. I mean, this abstraction is all over the place, not just on the left. Jim Callaghan the overspending socialist bankrupted the country and Thatcher saved it...
What I'm saying is, there's something very weird about how we handle our own nation's history. I'd say the definitive break was Thatcher, but really it seems our memory just gets progressively worse, Major, Blair and Brown fading. David Cameron's little blog purged from the intertubes, Labour's official history on their site ending with Blair handing power to Brown, no detailing beyond that, no achievements under Brown... I will not call a snap election...
Oh come off it. Nobody pretends Corbyn has a chance here, unless first-past-the-post screws around in a way that makes 1951 and 1974a look like Scotland 2007 in terms of proportionality.
I'm surprised Labour still pretend that it's not (Mathematically. If you want to whine about the political implications, first call should be the Kinnock effect.) possible for any combination of MPs that limps over 326 seats to oust the Tories.
|>>|| No. 82134
I like how they're in denial about his electability in the face of overwhelming evidence. The ultimate problem with Corbyn is that he is too nice. He's a man of his principles, which makes him unfit for the positively Machiavellian world of political leadership. If you can't knife a few backs, you won't get anywhere in this game.
To think much of this is because they picked the wrong brother last time out.
|>>|| No. 82135
I think you slightly missed the point. Being a good manager and leader is about compromise and setting the agenda, Corbyn won't do either. He won't meet anyone half way and he won't tell people whats going on inside his head so shadow ministers have to guess or make up their own line and then he contradict and undermines them. He looks nice from a distance when you consider working with a person like that suddenly he seems far more obnoxious.
|>>|| No. 82137
>The ultimate problem with Corbyn is that he is too nice. He's a man of his principles
He isn't even that.
Corbyn wants to be seen as principled by a select group of socialist hangers-on. If he really cared about changing the country for the better, he'd do what his advisers tell him could be a route into power - wear a decent suit, get a few digs in at PMQs, listen to the focus groups, stick to the soundbites. He doesn't have any deep ethical objection to doing those things, but it wouldn't look right. He'd seem like just another "careerist politician" rather than a rebellious outsider.
He's more vain than Cameron or Blair, it's just a different kind of vanity. It's all about image over reality. He doesn't say and do the things that might get him into power, he says and does the things that make people call him "a principled man". He cares more about being cheered at Momentum rallies than about being in a position to affect real political change.
He's a poor leader, a poor manager and a poor communicator. He lacks the temperament to cope with being opposed, he lacks the strategic vision to lead a diverse group of people, he lacks the quickwittedness to react effectively to events as they happen. He lacks both the empathy to understand different points of view and the insight to see himself as others see him. He genuinely doesn't understand why any decent person would vote Tory, which is why he has absolutely no chance of winning an election.
|>>|| No. 82139
Let's be fair, one look at his face and you can tell he was never going to win an election.
Miliband did the dance and all we got was "These strikes are wrong"
Fucking Corbyn, I want my memes. He really is an obnoxious cunt when you put it that way.
|>>|| No. 82140
>He's more vain than Cameron or Blair, it's just a different kind of vanity. It's all about image over reality. He doesn't say and do the things that might get him into power, he says and does the things that make people call him "a principled man". He cares more about being cheered at Momentum rallies than about being in a position to affect real political change.
I listened to him speak at a Labour rally in Croydon yesterday. He was much better than he normally is, though still not great.
He can only preach to the choir.
|>>|| No. 82149
What are the odds of Corbyn losing his own seat?
|>>|| No. 82154
Slim to none. He has a majority of 21,000 and I doubt the Tories will be campaigning hard for his seat.
|>>|| No. 82190
Why seek to overturn the seat of the one man gifting you certain victory? If I was the sort of bored and swivel-eyed individual who dallies with fancies I'd be inclined to opine that Corbyn is some kind of Tory sleeper agent.
This election will be a massacre.
|>>|| No. 82194
Also everyone in the bottom ~70% of earners who isn't a tremendous fucking mug.
|>>|| No. 82197
Jeremy Corbyn's son is planning to stand for a seat in the House of Commons, sources have told The Telegraph.
Seb Corbyn is reportedly preparing to mount a campaign to replace his father's political aide Steve Rotheram, the sitting Liverpool Walton MP, who is standing down at the election in June. Mr Corbyn's son and his political secretary Katy Clark are both said to be seeking a seat in the Commons according to three separate party sources.
A deal could be struck with the National Executive Committee which would see seats divided between pro-Corbyn and moderate candidates.
The NEC has the power to choose a candidate without a ballot because Theresa May has called a snap election with just weeks to go until polling day. The party does not have an approved candidates list of people who are ready to stand when requested, like other parties do.
Hurrah for nepotism and cronyism. Hurrah for Corbyn and his principles.
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