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>> No. 83303 Anonymous
24th August 2017
Thursday 6:46 pm
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I have met a couple of Tories who were genuinely really anxious for me to see that they weren’t horrible people and really believed putting everything into private enterprise will achieve better results.

Whatever type they are, I have absolutely no intention of being friends with any of them. I have friends I choose to spend time with. I go to parliament to be a mouthpiece for my constituents and class – I’m not interested in chatting on.

I feel disgusted at the way they’re running this country, it’s visceral – I’m not interested in being cosy. I hate those Tory questions that start with ‘Does the PM agree with me..?’ – when one Tory MP stood up and asked one I told him I think those questions are disgraceful. His response was ‘you mustn’t be a very good MP‘!

The idea that they’re not the enemy is simply delusional when you see the effect they have on people – a nation where lots of people live in a constant state of fear whether they even have enough to eat.


https://skwawkbox.org/2017/08/11/one-of-labours-new-rising-stars-talks-class-westminster-and-the-enemy/

I know politics is getting increasingly childish and divisive, but when we have an actual MP branding Tories as the enemy and saying she could never be friends with one I think we've reached a new low. Then again, I suppose all that virtue isn't going to signal itself.
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>> No. 83304 Anonymous
24th August 2017
Thursday 7:15 pm
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How dare she believe in her principles. How utterly childish.
>> No. 83305 Anonymous
24th August 2017
Thursday 7:36 pm
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I can't decide whether I'm sexist or just gay for immediately thinking "she needs her roots doing".
>> No. 83306 Anonymous
24th August 2017
Thursday 7:58 pm
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>>83304
If I refused to do any work with people I thought were twats I'd end up fired from my job.

Just because you have principles doesn't mean you're right.

>>83305
She's got quite a wide gap in her parting, which generally either means she's got thin her or she's the type of person to pull her hair out when she's stressed.
>> No. 83307 Anonymous
24th August 2017
Thursday 8:01 pm
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>>83306
She's not refusing to do her work with them though is she?
>> No. 83309 Anonymous
24th August 2017
Thursday 8:13 pm
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This is why politics is broken - such blatant partisan behaviour is what has gotten into the mess we're in. As you say, it is so fucking childish. I would vote for any side which said you know what, we're going to work with the other guys and try and get something done.

The right thinks the left is wrong; the left thinks the right is evil.
>> No. 83310 Anonymous
24th August 2017
Thursday 8:16 pm
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>>83309

>This is why politics is broken - such blatant partisan behaviour is what has gotten into the mess we're in.

Ahahaha, nyet, collaborator.
>> No. 83312 Anonymous
24th August 2017
Thursday 8:31 pm
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>>83307
Collaborating with people whilst refusing to build up a working relationship with them and publicly announcing you think they're evil isn't much better.
>> No. 83313 Anonymous
24th August 2017
Thursday 8:33 pm
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How American of her. I hope someone points this out so we can watch her squirm.
>> No. 83314 Anonymous
24th August 2017
Thursday 9:27 pm
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>>83309
Politics is division by definition. What you're pining for is consensus - the dirtest word in the English language - and I'm glad we don't have it.

Besides, experience has taught me that if you scratch a consensus-phile long enough, you'll find a heroly, but particularly ill-tempered, conservative.
>> No. 83315 Anonymous
24th August 2017
Thursday 9:39 pm
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>>83309 That basically happened. It was called New Labour.

Generally the people complaining about partisan politics shouldn't blame Tory hating Labour voters or vice versa, the problem is the political system as a whole. If we had several big parties all vying for or sharing power there would be more consensus and working together. As it is, we have two main parties and so whichever main party you generally support, the other one must represent the opposite of what you support. It's black vs. white. Labour or Tory. Austerity or Spending.

> I hate those Tory questions that start with ‘Does the PM agree with me..?’ – when one Tory MP stood up and asked one I told him I think those questions are disgraceful.

I have to entirely agree with her on this point. It's a waste of a question, it's positively sycophantic and does nothing but tarnish PM Qs and the reputation of that MP who has basically decided not to ask a question but wanted to brown nose in public. It's basically an MP abdicating any responsibility to advocate for their constituency or the people as a whole.
>> No. 83320 Anonymous
24th August 2017
Thursday 10:23 pm
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>>83314
>Politics is division by definition.

Er, no.

Politics may consist of distinct groups (yet interwoven) but the function is these groups cooperating which you can see in every area of human relations. If you can't build a big tent movement with compromise then you will very quickly you will find yourself alone, especially when it comes to the internal politics of the Labour Party.

>What you're pining for is consensus - the dirtest word in the English language - and I'm glad we don't have it.

Uh-huh, and what is it called after you beat your opinion into some poor sod who likes the wrong flavour of ice cream?

>>83315
I don't know if you can totally blame this on the two-party system. From my perspective it more seems like the divisions we see today sprung up after the recession and have only intensified as we've experienced a sluggish recovery, the EU referendum and the Labour Party shitting the bed.

Admittedly it is a very mundane explanation but it fits us neatly in with the kinds of instability that have been seen across the world over the past decade. Germany on the surface appears to have escaped this but grand coalitions and the Merkel behaving as the leader of a one-party state is its own problem.
>> No. 83321 Anonymous
24th August 2017
Thursday 10:25 pm
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>>83315

>I hate those Tory questions that start with ‘Does the PM agree with me..?’

Politicians from all parties use this line. It's not sycophancy, but a subtle linguistic trap. If your real question is "Will the prime minister spend more money on X?", it's much more effective to spend a few sentences praising X, then say "Does the prime minister agree that increased funding for X is essential to prevent bad thing Y?". You're forcing the PM to either agree with you, directly contradict you or evade the question. It's particularly potent if it's phrased as "Does the prime minister agree with minister Y when they say...", because any evasion or refutation would strongly suggest disunity.

https://hansard.parliament.uk/search/Contributions?searchTerm=%22does%20the%20prime%20minister%20agree%22
>> No. 83324 Anonymous
24th August 2017
Thursday 10:46 pm
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>>83315
One case I'd make is that it's not just the system in narrow terms, (i.e. the election system) as Scotland can demonstrate. Things were maybe more consensual 2007-2011, but not really in a way that would seem to map well to Westminster where you've got to do things more serious than just allocating funding from a block grant.
Although I can't say I'm much keen on PR anymore. Increasingly I've started to pin my hopes on a party just getting a majority and ramming through the kind of policies necessary, since any attempt to compromise with other parties will result in an increased chance of received wisdom seeping in and killing it, if we want to lead the way rather than be lead anyway.

Maybe AV+ would've been an interesting experiment. I'm still interested that nothing came of the Jenkins Report.

>>83321
To be fair there can be some questions that are just government puffery. I'm sure the party actually gives MPs "suggested questions" just to fill time, though I can't remember where I heard that.
i.e.
>Q2. Unemployment in my constituency is 21% lower than it was at the time of the last election. We have had a 90% increase in apprenticeship start-ups, manufacturing output is up and business activity is at a 32-month high in the west midlands. Does the Prime Minister agree that, due to the hard work of my constituents and people across the country, the Government’s long-term economic plan is working and delivering benefits to every region of the United Kingdom? [901579]

I mean yeah, the PM's going to turn around and say "No I don't agree, I've met your constituents and they are bastards. I wish the plagues of Egypt upon your constituents. That is my short term plan."
>> No. 83325 Anonymous
24th August 2017
Thursday 10:50 pm
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>>83324

>I mean yeah, the PM's going to turn around and say "No I don't agree, I've met your constituents and they are bastards. I wish the plagues of Egypt upon your constituents. That is my short term plan."

She just mutters it under her breath, obviously.
>> No. 83331 Anonymous
25th August 2017
Friday 1:26 am
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>>83324
I don't know how old the practice is, but in recent years it has been usual for the PM's PPS to put out talking points and suggested questions on a Wednesday morning. Sometimes, those questions are asked verbatim.
>> No. 83333 Anonymous
25th August 2017
Friday 6:59 am
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15 posts and not a single one saying you'd want to slip her one or making an IYKWIM post, possibly whilst making a pun on the fact she has the word 'cock' in her name.

You've changed, Britfa. You've changed.
>> No. 83335 Anonymous
25th August 2017
Friday 7:25 am
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>>83333

Rather you than me, mate.
>> No. 83337 Anonymous
25th August 2017
Friday 9:43 am
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Not even a guilty-would, I'm afraid. I just wouldn't. Not sure why.
Makes me want to join a monastery.
>> No. 83338 Anonymous
25th August 2017
Friday 10:08 am
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>>83337
Her glasses make her look like she should be wearing a white lab coat and starring in a cheap porno.

It's probably the fact she looks like the personification of acrobat that's turning you lads off. She looks like the sort whose never done a proper day's work in her life - probably a union gig working for the council and a spot of NGO work as the middle class equivalent of volunteering at a charity shop solely because it'll look good on your CV.
>> No. 83339 Anonymous
25th August 2017
Friday 11:38 am
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I agree with her entirely

But then, it depends on who you are. For a big chunk of the British populace, the Tories ARE the enemy, whether they realise or not. But then if you, say, own a yacht, or enjoy fox hunting, they are probably on your side.

Class awareness m8.
>> No. 83340 Anonymous
25th August 2017
Friday 11:44 am
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>>83339
>Class awareness

i.e. having a massive chip on your shoulder.
>> No. 83341 Anonymous
25th August 2017
Friday 1:02 pm
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>>83339
>own a yacht, or enjoy fox hunting

Because yeah, that is the typical demographic of .gs and all working class people only vote Labour or UKIP.
>> No. 83342 Anonymous
25th August 2017
Friday 1:04 pm
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This thread is fucking ridiculous.
>> No. 83343 Anonymous
25th August 2017
Friday 1:11 pm
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I bet a lot of people who oppose fox hunting would actually enjoy it if they were to sincerely 'give it a go'. You can't deny the adrenaline rush, at least.
I've never actually done it myself and the concept as I understand it seems positively cruel, but i bet it's fun if you were to allow yourself the mindset.
>> No. 83344 Anonymous
25th August 2017
Friday 1:48 pm
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>>83343
Hunting people is like that x100.
>> No. 83348 Anonymous
25th August 2017
Friday 3:09 pm
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>>83303
Branding Tories as "The Enemy" is if anything politer than what we've seen in past.
Can't really go for the "hardworking woman" sort of attitude that comes across in the interview. Though that may just be because I quite like the stuffiness of parliament. Though I feel in terms of lowering the tone of the place, the divide is more male/female than rich/poor.
>> No. 83353 Anonymous
25th August 2017
Friday 5:32 pm
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>>83343
I think you're right. If people thought they could go on a hunt and get away with it and people wouldn't judge them for it then the uptake would increase dramatically.

It's a bit like drugs. It's illegal because it's immoral. It's immoral because it's illegal. There's no real difference between an anti-hunt crusty lunatic and a Seppo soccer mom going nuts at the mere suggestion of taking drugs. It's irrational moralising.
>> No. 83354 Anonymous
25th August 2017
Friday 5:51 pm
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>>83353
That's bollocks. Hunt saboteurs are concerned with cruelty to animals, parents are concerned with the health and crime effects of drug use on their children. There's no 'irrational moralising' involved because those are both sound principles on which to base your views.
>> No. 83355 Anonymous
25th August 2017
Friday 5:57 pm
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>>83354
Lots of people die and are harmed in the drug trade. Evidently it's convenient to gloss over this because their lives don't matter as much as a foxes.

It's like those knobheads getting mad about that story of firemen eating sausages from pigs they rescued.
>> No. 83357 Anonymous
25th August 2017
Friday 6:13 pm
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>>83355
I don't understand this post; are you agreeing with me, and if not, who is glossing over those harmed by the drug trade?
>> No. 83358 Anonymous
25th August 2017
Friday 6:19 pm
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>>83357
People don't like foxhunting because they can't bury their heads in the sand the same way they can about buying meat from the supermarket

That's the only difference between them. It makes people uncomfortable as they've got to face up to it and because they feel pressurised by society into disliking it or they'll be a pariah.

Get rid of those two factors and it'd be more popular. It's the same as drugs. People are happy to gloss over dozens of Colombian peasants being forced into slavery or murdered as long as the drugs keep coming.
>> No. 83359 Anonymous
25th August 2017
Friday 6:23 pm
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>>83358
>That's the only difference between them.
I'm picturing slaughter houses full of red-coated men or horse back charging around after terrified pigs in a huge mêlée.
>> No. 83360 Anonymous
25th August 2017
Friday 6:32 pm
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>>83359
It's no different than halal or kosher slaughter in the silliness stakes.

Ultimately, they serve their purpose. Fox hunting is simply more traditional rather than being efficient and mass produced on an industrial scale.
>> No. 83362 Anonymous
25th August 2017
Friday 6:46 pm
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>>83358
Whatever way you look it it, packs of supermarket bacon have absolutely nothing to do with a bunch of rich toffs getting drunk on champagne, letting an army of dogs loose, and galloping after them on horses trampling everything in their way.
Fox hunting is just as big a steaming pile of crap whether a fox gets killed or not.

>>83360
Calling fox hunting inefficient at killing foxes is like calling boxing an inefficient cure for toothache.
The cost of keeping the horses and looking after the dogs, feeding them, stabling and kennelling them, paying the people to look after them etc. is so huge that it would be far more efficient for farmers to leave a few chickens out every night and hope that a fox gets hit by a car on the way there.
>> No. 83366 Anonymous
25th August 2017
Friday 8:16 pm
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I think it's safe to say that the "left" has well and truly disappeared up its own arse now.

https://www.theguardian.com/stage/2017/aug/25/leftwing-edinburgh-comedy-fin-tayor
>> No. 83369 Anonymous
25th August 2017
Friday 9:22 pm
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>>83366

Oooh, degenerate art am I right, lad? Oooooh.
>> No. 83371 Anonymous
25th August 2017
Friday 9:47 pm
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>>83369
Did you even read the article otherlad posted?

Brian Logan is offended by comedians taking the piss out of their audience and (heaven forbid) going a little hyperbolic with it. He is reporting on a comedy festival and doesn't understand comedy.
>> No. 83373 Anonymous
25th August 2017
Friday 10:08 pm
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>>83371
>Brian Logan
Don't you mean 'the left'?

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