>>83382
ITYM "Erit dictator, et erit omnium optimum maxime."

Mildly worried by this development.
I expect a recession before the next election, but 2019 is cutting it fine. Corbyn's fucked if he takes office just before another crisis.

Doubly worrying because It's not certain that the current arrangement will break down and force a new election before then. Theresa May is the greatest asset to the Labour party since Transport House was sold off.

>>83384
>Corbyn's fucked if he takes office just before another crisis.

Corbyn's fucked regardless, it's just a question of whether he takes the country down with him.

>>83384
Theresa May will not stand in another general election, even if that is before 2019.

So she will definitely not be quitting as Prime Minister on August 30, 2019?

>This man is going to become Prime Minister on 1st September 2019 and it's going to be fucking awesome.

This is starting to irritate me now. Jacob Rees-Mogg has stated many times that he has no interest in becoming Prime Minister for the foreseeable future and why would he when he is perfectly suited to the life of a backbencher.

You are more likely to see BoJo take power even though he is increasingly looking like the Jeb Bush of British politics.

>>83384
>I expect a recession before the next election

What make you think that? By the looks of things the arseache of Brexit will keep things in limbo for a good few years after 2019.

>>83387
>What make you think that? By the looks of things the arseache of Brexit will keep things in limbo for a good few years after 2019.

Doom mongers have been claiming there's going to be a crash any day now ever since the last one.

>>83387
>Jacob Rees-Mogg has stated many times that he has no interest in becoming Prime Minister for the foreseeable future


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nzTCaEclz1w

>>83385
More whether he's seen to do so.

>>83386
She wouldn't have much choice if she was forced into one. For argument's sake assume she loses a confidence vote - what's she going to do, resign and start a leadership contest in the midst of an election campaign?

>>83387
>What make you think that?
The US has a recession about every 10 years (even if to keep this statistical regularity, you need to factor in the post-9/11 baby one.), The UK has been about one a decade as well since the 50s except between 1990-1 and 2008 where it was 17/18. Assuming (For argument) that the current government makes it to 2021 and a Corbyn government is in power until 2026, you've run up to 18 years.
Economically rigorous? No, but a relatively low-effort, low risk thing to take a gamble on. There are perhaps other discouraging signs (though more in other commonwealth countries), plus of course Brexit which could be a shitshow, but to analyse those would risk moving from pattern-matching to economics, so to hell with that.

Although it's probably worth wondering aloud whether poor economic circumstances would scare people back to the Conservatives and 1992 Labour rather than removing the Conservative reputation for economic competence. (Though in any case a repeat of 1992 is better for Labour than one of 2008.)

>>83387
Moggy isn't the PM we want, but he's the PM we deserve. When Great Britain calls he will emerge from the shadows wielding his pipe of justice and iron slippers of stoicism and take his rightful place at No. 10.

>>83390

I'm inclined to think that we aren't due a recession any time soon, simply because we haven't recovered from the last one. A lot of the apparent recovery has been illusory due to population growth; GDP might have recovered, but GDP per capita is still well below the 2007 high water mark. A boom-and-bust cycle requires a boom.

Looking at GDP per capita, we already had our second recession in 2014, despite the Bank of England insisting that there was no double-dip. GDP per capita dropped by nearly $12,000 between 2007 and 2009, but again dropped by $6,500 between 2014 and 2016.

I'm loath to suggest that our current situation is unprecedented, but I do think we're in an unusually long period of economic stagnation. It feels more like Japan's lost decade than the kind of recessions we're used to.

Wasn't she going to step down before? Why should we believe this?

>>83393
The next election is due for 2020, and she says we're definitely not going to have another one before then. Oh, wait ...

>Theresa May has said she wants to lead the Conservatives into the next general election, telling the BBC she intends to remain in power "for the long term".
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-41093516

Let's just admit that nobody has any idea what is happening anymore.

>>83411
I don't believe a word that comes out of her mouth. She's managed to be even more slippery than Cameron, which is quite the achievement.

>>83412
So you instead trust the Daily Mail?

>>83413
Yeah mate, because the only people to contradict Theresa May are the Daily Mail???
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-41106679

>>83414
If you had a real source, why didn't you post that instead of the Mail in the first place?

>>83413>>83415
Because twats like you are "triggered" by the Mail and have had steam coming out of your ears every time it's been linked to for years now.

>>83416

Because it's a dog shit newspaper, famous for gaffs, lies and controversy baiting bollocks.

>>83417
You say that like it's a bad thing.

>>83418

You dropped your mask, Agent of Chaos.

>>83417

I feel like that description can be easily pointed at the guardian. Oh the guardian does do some valuable work, but they don't half print a load of bollocks in the space inbetween.

Pretty sure Mogg is grooming his own brood to be Prime Ministers.

Forget spiderman and spaghetti hoops. It's going to be a life of ill-fitting suits, Thatcher colouring books and the Conservative manifesto for a nice bedtime story.

Poor fuckers never had a chance. Pushy parents should be illegal.

>>83420
Perhaps we shouldn't trust newspapers when they quote 'sources' with explosive revelations?

>Theresa May faced a growing Tory revolt over her leadership as it emerged that Remain-supporting Conservative MPs are being told by party whips that they will be seen as “supporting Jeremy Corbyn” if they attempt to soften the Brexit bill.

>Furious Conservatives, including former ministers, said such threats and arm-twisting from the whips’ office would “backfire” spectacularly, making it more likely the prime minister would face a leadership challenge this autumn.

>Tory tensions over Brexit, coupled with dismay over May’s insistence last week that she wants to lead the party into a 2022 general election, reached new heights as MPs prepared to debate the European Union (withdrawal) bill when parliament returns after the summer break on Tuesday.

>One former cabinet minister told the Observer that May’s determination to cling on to office, and her hardline position on Brexit, would “definitely” trigger letters to Graham Brady, chairman of the backbench 1922 committee, over coming weeks. If 15% of Tory MPs write to Brady expressing no confidence in her, a leadership contest has to be called.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/sep/02/tory-mps-threaten-theresa-may-over-brexit-votes

Do you think she's deliberately making her position untenable?

>>83426
>Do you think she's deliberately making her position untenable?
Or she's just a bit senile and can't remember what happened as far back as June.

I don't get why people are getting so pissy about Moggy's comments today on abortion and same-sex marriage. As a Catholic he is morally opposed to them but, most importantly, he respects the rule of the law and wouldn't change it.

>>83454
Why should we agree with someone just because their views are "heartfelt" or "genuine" ?

>>83455
Who said we have to agree with him? He respects the rule of law, even if it's against his beliefs.

>>83456
Where have we heard that one before?

>>83457

Why does it appear impossible to phrase religious convictions without it turning into a massive cunt-off?

At any rate the actual interview put this in better context AND he appears to state that he won't be running, never say never aside:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N8WWu2bEiUM

>>83457
Bakunin? Chomsky?

>>83459
>Why does it appear impossible to phrase religious convictions without it turning into a massive cunt-off?

Good question. Probably because the majority of us don't believe in the sky fairies, and therefore don't really want political leaders who do, either.

>>83456
The respecting the rule of law thing seems entirely irrelevant.
Neil "Law makers must not be law breakers" Kinnock respected the rule of law when the poll tax was in place (the snivelling hero.) but that didn't change the fact that his intention was to change the law. Respect for the rule of law is not respect for the specific law itself, or willing acceptance of it. Just for the approved structure of resolving disagreements with that specific legislation.

Furthermore "I believe abortion is morally abhorrent, but I'm content to let it continue because that's the law and nobody will vote for me if I promise to change it" is a display of unsullied conviction rivalled only by Neil Kinnock's latter day conversion to belief in nuclear deterrence.

>>83459

I thought he couldn't be more repellent, then he outed himself as a Catholic.

>>83460
Tony Blair was a Catholic and he was alright, on the whole.

>>83459
He's totally running. Vox populi, vox dei and all that.

>>83463
No, it was Kinnock who was alright. Blair was a pretty straight sort of guy.

>>83460
I'd wait until the next census before you make a wild statement like that given even the most alarmist stories I can find put it at 53% in E+W (obviously the western isles etc. are still putting people in the wicker man).

My non-scientific opinion is that although most people wouldn't fit the definition of devout Christian they are more receptive to fluffy statements like 'everything happens for a reason' and 'something is watching over us'. The problem is as the majority are completely uneducated in theology they're shocked when they encounter doctrines that find sex a sin.

>therefore don't really want political leaders who do

I doubt most people care. On the flip-side only a tiny minority gave a damn about Corbyn's floppy answer to religion despite it's potential to shape the last election given May's religious nationalism.

>>83461
You seem to struggle with the concept of compromise in politics. The PM is not a dictator nor does it seem like Mogg wants to create a theocracy -indeed, despite his religious views he has always come across as someone wedded to British natural law traditions.

I think there is something to be said of the nature of British culture where we can have evangelicals who don't presume to enforce their beliefs onto others.

>>83466
>You seem to struggle with the concept of compromise in politics.
No, I struggle with poor messaging. Better a liar than muddled.
>The PM is not a dictator nor does it seem like Mogg wants to create a theocracy
I don't see the relevance. It's not a theocracy to buzz it through with private members bills like an evil Roy Jenkins.

I'm not going to press too far on this. I just like making fun of Neil Kinnock.

>>83466
>The PM is not a dictator
Not yet, but she's getting there.

So have we all said our fond farewells to democracy now ARE TERRI is building her dictatorship?

>Jacob Rees-Mogg has compared this year’s Conservative conference to a North Korea-style rally, saying the party will face a crisis unless members are given more stake in it.

>The backbencher, who has been packing out fringe meetings, said ordinary party members had no power to debate policy compared to when he entered politics.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/oct/03/rees-mogg-tory-conference-like-north-korea-rally

It says "power", but I think they meant "ability". Anyway, when's the Tory leadership deathmatch on?

Is the Special Relationship over? Trump 'is fed up with British Prime Minister Theresa May's school mistress tone' as he snubs UK by NOT holding talks with her at the G7

Donald Trump is growing increasingly irritated by Theresa May’s ‘school mistress’ tone amid signs the Special Relationship is fraying, according to reports.

The US President has snubbed his British counterpart and will not hold a formal bilateral with her at the G7 in Canada today - but he will sit down with Emmanuel Macron.

Mr Trump is reportedly fed up with Mrs May because she always focuses on policy discussion rather than normal conversation, his allies told the Daily Telegraph. The thinks that the PM is taking advantage of the longstanding special relationship it has been claimed.

A former White House official who has been present in meetings between the pair said: ‘No offence, but she is basically a school mistress. I’m not sure anyone gets on well with her.’

A senior diplomat to the US told the newspaper that the Prime Minister’s increasing demands were putting a strain on their relationship. Mr Trump is said to be annoyed that Mrs May publicly condemns his actions - like when she rebuked him for retweeting the anti-Muslim propaganda put out by the far-right Britain First group.

It comes as the Washington Post reported that the President regards Mrs May as being too politically correct. Mrs May brushed off the report, telling reporters: ‘I just get on and make sure that I’m delivering. That’s the job of any politician.’

But it is a blow to the PM who hopes to strike a post Brexit trade deal with the United States.

And in a fresh knock to the UK-US relationship , utwa sconfirmed htvat Mrs May will no sit down for a fomrmal bilateral iwth Mr Trump at the G&.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5820297/Trump-fed-Theresa-Mays-school-mistress-tone-snubs-G7.html

Is the Maybot still planning on resigning? She has absolutely no emotional intelligence whatsoever.

>>84328
It could be worse:

>“When it comes to trade - the positions are very clear. The President of the United States thinks that the U.S. has been treated in an unfair way by Europe and by others, and the others think that this is not the case,” Juncker told a news conference.
>“We will explain this through facts and figures, that this is not the right view one should have on this topic,” Juncker said before the start of a summit of leaders of the United States, Canada, Japan, Britain, Germany, France and Italy.

It just shows how utterly out of touch and blinkered the leadership of the EU has become.

Trump has made a massive performance out of saying essentially "It's great for us to put tariffs on anyone we want, but anyone who puts tariffs on is is rude and stupid." and yet Junker honestly believes that "facts and figures" are going to change his mind?
It's the archetypal story about the nerdy kid who gets beat up by a bully, then decides to explain to the bully why he's better than him. Well the nerdy kid grew up to be a tyrant heading towards being in charge of an entire continent, but never learnt why he was always getting punched in the face.

>>84329
You're suggesting that they should play Trump's game. The trouble with that is, like any good idiot, he'll bring them down to his level and beat them with experience. There's not much they can do about the fundamental reality that the general public at large are stupid.

>>84330

The good thing about US presidents, though, is that we can rely on a new one with totally opposing values coming into power in another four to eight years. Anyone buckling to Trump's madness is only going to weaken their hand when it comes to bargaining with whichever poor bastard is tasked with trying desperately to fix the mess he's caused.

Off on a tangent, surely Sajid Javid is the clear favourite for next Rory leader now. Mogg is too far right and easily ridiculed. Boris has burnt all his bridges. Hunt, Grayling, Fox et all are all tainted by their briefs. The only problem with Javid is he the usual isn't shade of grey the tories like.

>>84332 Forgot to add, Gove has shown huge talent in all his roles since he left education, but no one will notice because he's Michael Gove.

>>84332
It will be Boris.

He's only burnt bridges that don't matter, his bluster is just a show, and I'm sure he's pulling more strings right now than anyone else in the party.

>>84332
I think its a good shout actually.

>>84332
Javid will have huge support behind him as the Tories will consider it a big PR coup to have had the first BME Prime Minister.

British South Asians are foreigners the right-wing don't mind. They are exactly the sort of hard-working self-made men who don't rock the established social order that they like to sing the praises of.

>>84336

I can't see the term "BME" without thinking about that old blog that was full of mutilated genitals.

>>84336

Indians in particular are Tory as fuck. You always see rich Asian blokes wearing over the top gold watches and chains and such, nice tailored suits, driving a big Bentley or Rolls... The traditional image of wealth, because they're the most successful discount carpet supplier in West Yorkshire and want everyone to know it.

>>84334 The problem with Boris is that he's not only burnt his bridges, he's also exposed himself as incompetent. The carefully managed image of a genius pretending to be a bumbling fool has shattered and people can now see that he genuinely is a bumbling fool.

I think Mogg will be seen as the pariah the Tories need to push their dream Brexit over the precipice. Easily ridiculed and exposed more than once as being a proper Fagin type but he understands international finance and commerce and has shown time and time again that he's bigger than the backlash he gets for his far-right espousal.

August 2019 is being very generous. I see May being ousted before Christmas with the current loss of Davis and Johnson.

Is Johnson dead? Is this death of Stalin situation? No one wants to wake him, not out of fear, just to avoid him opening his gob so no one's actually checked on him?

>>84341
It turns out Johnson isn't dead, but in a stunning u-turn he has just joined the single market.

>>84436
It's such a fantastic front page.

Johnson Out had me this morning I must admit.

>>84436
mirth

Jacob Rees-Mogg and his family have been ambushed by protesters outside his home in Westminster.

Footage posted on Tuesday by Class War, an organisation claiming to be a “working class action group”, showed police standing guard as a small group of demonstrators confronted the Conservative MP, his wife, four of his six children, and their nanny.

“Your dad won’t answer the question,” one man tells two of Mr Rees-Mogg’s children, after the Brexiteer refused to reveal how much their nanny was paid. “You’re daddy’s a totally horrible person, lots of people don’t like your daddy, do you know that? He’s probably not told you about that. Lots of people hate him.”

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/rees-mogg-brexit-jacob-children-protesters-video-nanny-ian-bone-class-war-a8534341.html

Fucking crusties.

>>84444
Class War are weird.

>>84445
They've definitely got a few screws loose.

>>84444
>"It was a few anarchists who turned up and it wasn't very well organised. It wasn't terribly serious. We are a free country. They weren't violent. They aren't admirers of mine. I am in public life and not everybody is going to like me. That is a reality of public life. I'd have preferred it if it hadn't happened but I don't want to get it out of perspective. I think much worse things happen to many other people."

At least he isn't even trying to play the victim card like most people would do if they'd had a mob camp outside their house and directly address their children like that. I don't find myself agreeing with him a lot but he's a class act, something that is perhaps easier to become when you're the sort of person who grew up with a nanny.

>>84447
I fucking hate the guy on a politcal level, but if more people in politics had his spine to be honest about their beliefs it would be much easier to know who to ignore and who to believe.

>>84447
That's because Rees-Mogg is old-right, not alt-right.

>>84447

Idk. It's easy enough to so that it's not on to harass the children of a member of government, but it's not like the government isn't above harassing the children of people it finds inconvenient. I mean, if someone engages in illegal anti-government activity, they'll be kidnapped and imprisoned, and their children will be made damn sure aware then that the government don't think their parent is a very nice person. Given that this does seem to act as a good deterrent, maybe heckling children is a good way of stopping MPs from being shits.

>>84451
What forms of illegal anti-government activity would you like to see legalised?

>>84452
Protesting in Parliament Square, publishing confidential information in the public interest, and calling out the Home Secretary's bullshit at their party conference would be a good start.

>>84452
Secondary/Sympathetic Industrial Action would always be a good start.

>>84454
Or just industrial action in general, supported by simple majority vote, without ridiculous conditions that lead to employers seeking injunctions rather than engaging.