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>> No. 84038 Anonymous
25th March 2018
Sunday 5:43 pm
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Mail petition: Give the contract for the UK's new blue passport to a British firm

The Government has decided Britain's post-Brexit blue passports should be made by a European company.

Now the Daily Mail and MailOnline are calling on ministers to put British workers first by reversing the decision and giving the contract to a British firm.

Simply enter your name, email address and home town into the form below to add YOUR voice - the total will be regularly refreshed so you can see how you've made a difference.


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/passports

I take it you patriots will be signing the petition?
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>> No. 84039 Anonymous
25th March 2018
Sunday 6:34 pm
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>>84038
Who gives a fuck? It was Britain's idea to make them red in the first place and it was never something the EU had a say over, now suddenly it's a big deal. GIVE US ARE BLUE PASSPORTS BACK EVEN THOUGH I'M TOO YOUNG TO REMEMBER THE ORIGINALS AND I DON'T EVEN GO ABROAD SO I DON'T NEED ONE, BUT, BUT...

How about focusing on not crashing the economy with no survivors and keeping the Union together? You know, *actual* real concerns.
>> No. 84040 Anonymous
25th March 2018
Sunday 6:40 pm
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I take it we're done with "global Britain" then?
>> No. 84041 Anonymous
25th March 2018
Sunday 6:55 pm
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It's not an option - WTO rules say that public contracts have to be put out to international competitive tender. The British government are within their rights to print passports in-house (as they used to, before privatising Her Majesty's Stationery Office), but they can't offer preferential terms to domestic suppliers.
>> No. 84042 Anonymous
25th March 2018
Sunday 7:06 pm
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>>84039
The current contract was due to expire in 2019 anyway, so the tender wasn't brought about due to the change of colour.

The government has form in not giving contracts to domestic firms, like the furore about Sheffield Forgemasters the other year, whereas the French and Germans seem to get away with it. However, paying an extra £200million just to keep 100 people in work for five years isn't worth it.

I've signed the petition. This thing is so funny it should be stretched out and allowed to continue for as long as possible.
>> No. 84043 Anonymous
25th March 2018
Sunday 7:07 pm
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>>84038
Absolutely not lad. My father worked for De La Rue for almost twenty years. As well as printing passports, they (quite literally) print most of the worlds money and build the machines which count it.

De La Rue have been steadily outsourcing and moving their operations to bases all over Europe to cut costs over the last ten years - they used to be based mostly in the UK. They did this for cost savings.

On this contract, they came in £120m over the nearest competitor, Gemalto - that is a lot of money over 10 years and can be spent on other things.

If De La Rue cared about British workers they wouldn't have been steadily moving their jobs and manufacturing plants overseas. If they cared about this country, they would have discounted the price and beaten Gemalto. That £120m can be used for other things.

The furore over the colour of passports is bad enough - this last part is just an insult. Fuck De La Rue and the stupid petition - look at the facts.
>> No. 84044 Anonymous
25th March 2018
Sunday 8:10 pm
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>>84043
>£120m
>that is a lot of money over 10 years
It really isn't, lad.
>> No. 84045 Anonymous
25th March 2018
Sunday 9:24 pm
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>>84044

De La Rue's net profits were £59m in 2016, on a revenue of £454m. It's plausible that they could have found £12m a year to make the deal happen, but it wouldn't have been a painless decision by any means.

They've had a bonkers week - their CFO resigned on Monday after issuing a profits warning, with an immediate 14% drop in their share price at the start of trading on Tuesday. It's difficult to join the dots, because the market moved after the profits warning but before the official announcement of the failed bid.
>> No. 84046 Anonymous
25th March 2018
Sunday 9:27 pm
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>>84045
£12m a year is around 20p each. On the grand scale of things, it's nothing.
>> No. 84047 Anonymous
25th March 2018
Sunday 9:36 pm
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>>84046

See >>84041. The government can do something in-house through a state-owned business or put a contract out for tender using a fair bidding process, but it can't just give the contract to De La Rue at whatever price they offer. It's against both WTO and EU rules for a government to offer favourable terms to a domestic producer. Gemalto tendered the best bid, so the British government has to offer them the contract.

If the British government cared about where passports were printed, then it shouldn't have privatised Her Majesty's Stationery Office.
>> No. 84048 Anonymous
25th March 2018
Sunday 9:39 pm
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>>84047
The claim I was contesting was specifically "that is a lot of money".
>> No. 84049 Anonymous
25th March 2018
Sunday 10:41 pm
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>>84048

The fact that it's only 20p each is only relevant if the money is coming from the public purse.
>> No. 84050 Anonymous
25th March 2018
Sunday 10:59 pm
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£120 million is a lot of money if you start thinking it's no money at all. Before long you'll have chucked billion after billion at overpriced contracts because you're scared of being petitioned by the Daily Mail. The next thing you know you're hosting a referendum on which member of the cabinet has be co-driver for Ant McPartlin in the Paris-Dakar Rally, because "people like ITV and we don't want to go against the will of the people".

Credit to the OP for that formatting, by the way, top notch stuff.
>> No. 84051 Anonymous
25th March 2018
Sunday 11:04 pm
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What did I just say?
>> No. 84053 Anonymous
25th March 2018
Sunday 11:45 pm
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>>84050
>£120 million is a lot of money if you start thinking it's no money at all.

Couldn't agree more. People are right saying, well thats only £2 each extra on a 10-year passport, but that isn't the point - in percentage terms that is still extra over and above the cost of a passport (which is already extortionate, given having one is practically a legal necessity if you want to travel) and as you say, that is very weak thinking - look after the pennies and the pounds will look after themselves.

I also like an OP who puts the effort in.

And this >>84051 is just bollocks. These are going to be the themes of the next few years as we descend into international oblivion. BRING BACK LONDON BRICKS etc.. fucking pathetic. I dread to think what they'll say when they realise our oil, gas, electricity often comes from overseas - we could start there.

It's so embarrassingly parochial and insular. We aren't "taking back control" we are about to find out we lost all the control in the fifties, sixties and seventies when our manufacturing base disappeared and modernisation and automation has replaced those jobs anyway - it has all gone, there is no getting it back.

The UK is all about service industries now and for those we need customers, the nearest of whom we have just royally pissed off.
>> No. 84054 Anonymous
25th March 2018
Sunday 11:57 pm
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>>84049
... which it is.
>> No. 84055 Anonymous
26th March 2018
Monday 12:01 am
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>>84050
>>84053
No, lads. On a national scale, £12m is objectively not a lot of money, and no amount of reframing will change this fact.
>> No. 84056 Anonymous
26th March 2018
Monday 12:21 am
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>>84051
You think that's bad? When the open it, they'll have wine from Italy, cheese from France, and Danish pastries.
>> No. 84057 Anonymous
26th March 2018
Monday 12:28 am
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>>84055

For the third time:

GEMALTO WON THE PASSPORT CONTRACT THROUGH A FAIR AND NON-DISCRIMINATORY PROCUREMENT PROCESS. GIVING DE LA RUE THE CONTRACT WOULD BE A BREACH OF ARTICLE III OF THE WTO GOVERNMENT PROCUREMENT AGREEMENT. BREACHING THAT AGREEMENT COULD RESULT IN INTERNATIONAL SANCTIONS AGAINST THE BRITISH GOVERNMENT AND WOULD SEVERELY PREJUDICE POST-BREXIT TRADE NEGOTIATIONS. THE AMOUNT OF MONEY IS ABSOLUTELY IRRELEVANT, BECAUSE THE COSTS TO BRITAIN OF FAILING TO HONOUR THEIR INTERNATIONAL OBLIGATIONS WOULD BE SEVERAL ORDERS OF MAGNITUDE GREATER. THE POSSIBILITY THAT OUR PASSPORTS WOULD BE PRINTED OVERSEAS IS AN UNAVOIDABLE CONSEQUENCE OF THE DECISION TO PRIVATISE HER MAJESTY'S STATIONERY OFFICE.
>> No. 84058 Anonymous
26th March 2018
Monday 9:33 am
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>>84057
You can repeat it all you like but that won't make it relevant.
>> No. 84059 Anonymous
26th March 2018
Monday 1:33 pm
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>UNAVOIDABLE CONSEQUENCE OF THE DECISION TO PRIVATISE HER MAJESTY'S STATIONERY OFFICE.

>PRIVATISE

At last we're getting somewhere. It always comes down to privatisation in the end doesn't it. Funny that, how them Tories are always on about taking back control, when they're the ones selling our country off to the lowest bidder. Good old fashioned Labour would have printed passports in the UK no matter how much it cost! Renationalise now!

For the love of God it frustrates me how much ground Labour could be gaining from Brexit but refuse to.
>> No. 84060 Anonymous
26th March 2018
Monday 2:23 pm
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>>84059
That's the problem with having a Bennite as leader.
>> No. 84080 Anonymous
27th March 2018
Tuesday 9:03 pm
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>>84060

Are Jez isn't the problem lad, if you were paying attention you'd remember how the Blairites spent the majority of last year trying (and failing) to get rid of him. Do you think any of those red Tory neo-liberals are going to admit that a pro-Brexit labour would have been back in power at the last election?
>> No. 84081 Anonymous
27th March 2018
Tuesday 9:15 pm
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>>84080
It's the fucking red Tories, the fucking mainstream media, the fucking Blairites, the fucking Jews. It's everyone's fault but Jeremy Corbyn.
>> No. 84082 Anonymous
27th March 2018
Tuesday 9:32 pm
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>>84081

Yes, those groups do all seem to have it in for the guy, and have been trying to force him out in favour of someone more malleable to their agenda, for some time. No wonder he can't get anything done, right?
>> No. 84083 Anonymous
27th March 2018
Tuesday 9:41 pm
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>>84082
They have been trying to undermine him, but Jeremy Corbyn is also very good at undermining himself.

The two are not mutually exclusive.
>> No. 84084 Anonymous
27th March 2018
Tuesday 11:06 pm
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>>84082
I say we just gas the lot of them. Except the Jews, obviously. I mean, we're not Nazis.

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