Now that this thread has me thinking about it; what are some good city boots/shoes? I walk roughly 4 miles in London conditions for exercise so I've just been using some sturdy trainers but last night the ice when I was walking over a bridge made me feel very uneasy. I fucking hate ice, lads.

What I don't want is something too heavy/bulky as I'm just on a stroll, work/milsec boots I feel would be both OTT and I'd look a bit of a twat (or I might get mistaken for a terrorist).

>>6324

Timberlands or similar would be the "style" choice, while remaining practical. But, there's only so much you can do for ice without having little metal spikes on your soles. Even in proper non slip safety boots, ice is still going to fuck you up.

You can get plastic ice treads that attach to your shoes/boots but that would almost certainly make you look a twat.

>>6324

Adidas Terrex are very good trail shoes and water proof, they cost about £70.

On the subject of hiking books, I have a pair of goretex hunting boots made by a company called Lacrosse that, allegedly, retail for £200-250 but I got them from an outlet store for £70. They have lasted me 10 years of hiking in all weathers and still don't leak, so I'd highly recommend them.

>>6325 You can get plastic ice treads that attach to your shoes/boots but that would almost certainly make you look a twat.

I fell over on the ice yesterday, badly enough that I had to toddle over to minor injuries. Fuck's sake. I _knew_ it was slippy, just stopped paying attention for a moment.
Can you get boots with winter tyre tread? Those small tread blocks with the slits in do fantastic things for cars.

>>6327
It's a pair of these yer wanting. Permagrip soles; Timpsons, £19.99.

>>91879 here again.

They're having a field day with this:

>The three wise monkeys have been a cultural trope throughout the world for centuries as a symbol of seeing, hearing and speaking no evil. Academics at the University of York have decided that they are, in fact, an oppressive racial stereotype, and pulled an image of the animals from their website to avoid offence.

>Organisers of a forthcoming art history conference apologised for using the picture in their call for submissions. “Upon reflection, we strongly believe that our first poster is not appropriate as its iconology promulgates a longstanding visual legacy of oppression and exploits racist stereotypes,” they wrote. “We bring this to your attention, so that we may be held accountable for our actions and, in our privileges, do and be better.”

>A spokeswoman for the University of York said that the organisers of the online conference, entitled Sensorial Fixations: Orality, Aurality, Opticality and Hapticity, were worried about a possible insult to ethnic minorities.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/york-university-academics-see-the-evil-of-racism-in-three-wise-monkeys-5khx0jwc7

>>91893
>The woke left will naturally see this and double down ... The materialist left will remain a fringe minority

I think you should read this and see why your 'woke'/'materialist' dichotomy is bullshit.

https://redfightback.org/read/transphobia_in_the_left

>>92020

Otherlad here. I sympathise with the author and find it disappointing that they experienced that at a political gathering describing themselves as the "left". I also broadly agree with their historical point about miners and LGBT people, and would of course like to see more of that kind of solidarity.

I do also think, though, that the hostility and ridicule they experienced is precisely the result of the divide-and-rule politics at play that >>92020 describes. I think the left has the far more difficult task in bringing together and adequately representing a far more diverse range of interests than the right, which are generally more organised consolidations of power -- not perfect, but surely from a narrower range of backgrounds and interests.

By necessity, it's also the working class that should make up the bulk of the movement in terms of sheer numbers. There's a fine balance between extending an olive branch to people who have already been deliberately conditioned to casual homophobia/transphobia/racism and accepting any level of prejudice against minorities.

Maybe the historical example is apt, as they clearly found a way to get past typical socially conservative rhetoric and see it as a matter of basic human rights, in the same way that LGBT people fully threw themselves behind the concrete material issues that plague the majority of the British population.

As a sidenote: I have been guilty of feeling frustrated with an ineffectual left, and it seems like this sentiment has been with us at least since the 1980s when Alexei Sayle was taking the piss out of people who "knit their own yoghurt". It's tempting to think that trans and LGBT groups are diverting people from material concerns in this way, but I've been kept grounded by actually having LGBT friends from both working and middle class backgrounds. Generally, they don't dismiss my concerns as long as I articulate them well and I don't dismiss theirs.

I also believe that our current economic system is one that will award performative and shallowleftism (which I think is what >>92020 really means by "wokeness") and punish any genuine solidarity that threatens to bring in larger crowds. It's why today we can read the Guardian but not the Daily Herald.

Similar dynamics occur around racial politics, too, by the way; American figures like MLK are remembered for their flowery speeches on issues which don't offend corporate or free market sensibilities, but they're not remembered for their solidarity with striking union workers.

>>92057

Brian won't let me delete the post, but the two instances of >>92020 in there were actually meant to be >>91893.

>>92057

Couldn't agree more.

The trouble is it's rare to see examples of real solidarity from those kinds of performative leftists, and it's hard not to come to the conclusion that they're either simple grifters making a bit of money and attention while it's fashionable, or they are intentional wreckers knowingly distorting the shape of leftist discourse.

Either way, it's pretty much inarguable, after everything that's happened over the last for or five years, that all of it is a massive own-goal for lefties and leaves us wide open for the right to score easy, cheap points by pointing at whatever the latest Twitter fad is and going "Look what those mad lefty snowflakes are up to now eh?! They're after female space marines now! Where will it end!"

>>30645

Now look here! We might be a Constitutional Monarchy, But once in a while when they see fit we get to (with 10,000-100,000 other people), Pick a person, who is in the same club as a bunch of other people, and the lead of that club might get to pick who is in the government as long as more people get a seat from their club in a house and the monarch approves. Also there are a bunch of people who have equal power as the person we picked who are there because they are feudal barons.

>>30649
Can't say fairer than that.

>>30648
Have you got any that aren't Scottish though? As no Scottish Politician has ever really done anything of much substance.

>>30652
Heard you the first time m7.

>>30652
I thought we were playing no true Scotsman?

>>92042
In the case of technology shares the increase in value is meant to be due to recognition of goods and services rendered in the past, present, or future and ultimately this will be the result of the capture of surplus value in the system of capitalism. (i.e. £100 of work has been done or will be done).

When some shares go up other related ones often go down. Look at comparative charts for Intel and AMD to see examples of this. The business ecosystem is complex and although causality is always there, it's not always apparent or easy to see.

In the specific case of the rise in share prices recently, QE has increased the volume of fiat in circulation and a lot of this has gone into buying shares. Ultimately this will have to be repaid by the taxpayer in the form of higher taxes or reduced public services.

The current bubble could be argued as a type of inflation given that everything is getting more expensive. When the bubble bursts a great number of people will find themselves worse off to the same economic magnitude as winners have won (2008 serves as a pretty striking case study in this respect).

In the case of the GME squeeze it's more direct and obviois, as much money as the winners have won last week the losers have lost.

It's not a pipe dream, but I think we're going all the wrong ways about it. Or at least, the people who often talk about it have their priorities in all the wrong places.

If I were the king of England and its realms, I would focus on cracking down on parasitic bullshit like interest only mortgages and buy-to-let rent seeking, nationalise the bits of public utilities and infrastructure that it makes sense to do so, and probably create some kind of public work programme. My focus would be on reducing what I can only see as unfair financial pressures those on the lowest rungs of society have to bear, and eliminate the poverty trap.

At the end of the day I think that would probably do a lot more toward levelling the playing field than just keeping on raising the minimum wage or handing out free money (though frankly, if we got the economy sorted out I would still eventually implement some kind of UBI.) Ultimately, if you make it so the peasants have more money, the capital-owning class will just keep raising their rents, prices and tarriffs to gobble it all back up again. What we should do is restrict such opportunism in order that the poor have a lower cost of living, and therefore more disposable income with which they may be encouraged to invest in savings, pensions, other financially sensible options they are currently all too often just unable to do.

I will say, I absolutely hate it when people come out with that line about how you can always make savings or go on r/personalfinance and if you don't you're just stupid and it's your own fault for buying a big telly. I have only ever heard that rhetoric in real life from people who have grown up comfortably wealthy. I'm pretty well off by this stage in my life, but for many years I was dirt poor, and in no small part I attribute my current financial wellbeing to the plain, simple tight-arsed thrift I was forced to learn when I had to support myself on £500 per month. Poor people are often stupid, but more often than that they are trapped in a situation where there are very few winning moves.

>>92045

I'd vote for you, but only if you can summarize that passage as a three word slogan and give me a scapegoat to hate on.

>>92046

You don't vote for a King.

But if you must, it will be "Big, Hard, Britain" and the scapegoat will be pensioners who emigrated defected to the south of Europe.

>>92021
>It seems like it would be more constructive to instead focus on raising the minimum standard of living for everyone, to ensure they can have a comfortable and secure life.
The problem is that the political economy for this will never exist. To have people care about the standards at the bottom, you need a relatively equal society. Otherwise the political power of those at the bottom approaches zero.

Also, we live in a society where people can always see how other people live. You can't neatly sequester the rich off in their own little bubble where their immense wealth isn't visible to the poor, so the poor are always going to feel like their lives are shit in comparison to what they see elsewhere. Deep down we're monkeys, and monkeys care about relative status, they're going to feel like they're falling behind if their lives get better by 5% a year while everyone (perceived, not actual) else's get better by 25% a year. Let alone the world we actually live in, where their lives have tended to get 5% worse a year while the other side are going to the moon.

>>27759
Synergy is what you need. It's a bit of software that allows you to do this - it's like a VNC or remote desktop application, but is specifically designed around using a single keyboard/mouse across multiple computers and monitors.

It used to be free, but I can see it's now $29 for a lifetime license. I've used it loads, works across Mac/Linux/Windows, and while a niche use case, does exactly what you're describing.

https://symless.com/synergy/features

>>27760

Good shout, but my work laptop requires admin privileges to install new software. I'll raise it with IT and see what they say, but I'm open to other workarounds.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/UGREEN-Sharing-Keyboard-Scanner-Printer-Black/dp/B01N6GD9JO/

Getting a flashback to my Maplin days where we would sell people KVM switches that had probably been made in the mid 90s.

It was very funny, but I get the impression that their videos are mostly the same joke. It is a very funny joke on first viewing, but less so on the next video.

Do they branch out at all?

>>67871
I don't know I got bored after the second one.

>>67871

And yet Johnathan Pie was able to get a career as a propagandist and constantly appeared in my Facebook feed over beating the same dead horse ad nausea.

I'd say how to basics videos are all the same joke yet I never get tired of them and wouldn't consider them creatively bankrupt... why is that? what is the quality that makes one thing seem stale immediately on the second variant and another endlessly fresh? I can also watch bob Ross paint the same sort of thing repeatedly and still be amazed.

As a bit of answering my own question it seems like it is the difference between having the broader idea stay the same which we accept, and having the fine details stay the same which we consider tripe. But what defines either?

>>2839
PotY nominee.

It doesn't have to be nearly a grand as >>2838 mentions, but a good bed costs money. You can build your own if you're handy around wood, but if you're buying one anything which comes as a kit with fancy nuts and bolts to screw it together is, very likely, a bunch of tosh. The metal frame shown in the picture, for example, looks exactly like the kind of trim you find on a tube framed bit of cheapo nonesense.

If you don't want to go DIY, find a (semi-)local bed maker and get something that's made of squares and screws together with plain wood screws. Then apply >>2839 and reinforce it; the entire bed should, if at all, move and flex as a single unit. Any play in the component parts will get stressed incessantly as you toss and turn during sleep. When reinforcing, bear in mind that you put more pressure on the bed around your hips and mid-torso than your head or feet both when sleeping in it and when falling into bed or sitting down/up on it, so the centre area is particularly important to reinforce.

I'm no Big Bear at *mumble* over 15st, but even I learned that slats are wear parts. It does depend on your mattress and how well it spreads your weight across them but having a half dozen or so spare at all times is a god sent. Check your bed every 3 months or so to replace slats that appear less than perfect. You can even do a rotation, move slats from near the end of your bed towards the centre and get some more use out of the centre ones near your feet for example.

Just get a hammock.

>>2842
Or a waterbed. I have bloody lovely memories of staying over on a waterbed years ago, and prices seem to have dropped since I wanted one but couldn't possibly afford it. Or maybe I'm just less strapped. Either way, go try a waterbed.

>>2843

What do you do when you have to move a waterbed? Like run a hose into a bath or something? What if the bath is higher up than the bed?

Lots of questions.

Also if a waterbed springs a leak coz you're bouncing around with a fat lass or whatever you're proper fucked.

I remember sleeping on a waterbed when I was a young lad, it was alright I think. Sage for waterbed fraff chat.

When did Leave move ahead of remain in the polls? The day Harambe died.

When did Trump take his first ever poll lead over Clinton? The day Harambe died.

This timeline going to shit all ties in with the deaf of Harambe.

>>30362
>Everyone has intrusive thoughts and there's a reason brains operate that way....

>Shake it off and move on with your life.

I can't speak for OPs situation but I am fairly certain you don't know what you are talking about at all.

>>30362
>Shake it off and move on with your life.

What a stupid thing to say.

>>30364
There's nothing wrong with what I wrote.

>>30366
Do you know what you are talking about then?

This one time, as a child, I took a shit onto a plastic bag while infront of the mirror in my mothers room. I just wanted to see what it looked like coming out, who doesnt? Well I forgot about the shit and my mom found it hours later when she got home from work.

>>30350
After practicing meditation for a while you'll begin to notice that thoughts can go as easily as they arrive - You simply let them go. Sounds wishy washy, but it really does boil down to 'don't think about it'.

I think we should all make an account tied to our NI number and only be able to post from that.

>>15687

I would support this tbh, but only if the mods are also able to edit all my posts at will to ensure that the conent conforms with the mission statement of the board.

>>15686
The userbase is generally savvy enough to figure out it wasn't them that got banned and switch their router off and on again. Even you've managed to figure it out.

>>15689
I need a humour transplant

Now come on, that wordfilter is implying that isn't actually funny, you know that's not true.

>>9085

I just realised that you explain exactly what it is in the OP, but I cannot delete the post. I will accept my shame.

>>9085
>>9086
>I never fully grasped the concept of reading more than two lines into a post

I generally set a team and then forget to make any changes for the rest of the season. I play a (slowly dying) online football manager game but that's about it.

>>9086
Glad you couldn't delete it. Basically if no-one's ever explained it and you've not looked into it, it might seem a bit complicated. It's just looking at individual player performances rather than teams. If you've got a striker, say Harry Kane and Spurs concede 6 goals, it doesn't touch his points, but Spurs keeper would get negative points.

You've got a budget, players have a cost, you purchase them at that cost and then they're awarded points for a few different things, depending on their position. While it's split into 38 'Game Weeks', of arbitrary length, you sometimes have two fixtures in a GW as you can see in the screenshot.

It's mainly fun when you can chat shit with people about it. Competing for any real prizes is a bit too much, but revelling in the misery of those close to you is really fun. The reddit community is saturated with frustration and gloom, it's great.

In a mini-league with some friends of my lass, and the lowest score has to get a nipple piercing for 3 months. Last years forfeit was doing a stand-up set, which was a bit more imaginative...

>>9088
Sounds healthier than the alternative. Is it like a Football Manager online kind of thing?

>>9089
Xpert Eleven, which probably peaked around 10 years ago. It's fairly simplistic in that all you really need to do is develop your squad and set tactics for each match, but there's not too many options to get bogged down in. It's been quite neglected by its owners so there hasn't been any meaningful updates to the game in years, so it feels quite dated.

There's around 12,000 users these days, although I'd wager a fair few of those are inactive, with about half of these Swedish. The main forums were killed by overzealous moderation and a lot of the ones remaining are alt-right fruitcakes.

Agreed. At the high-functioning end, loads of people self-diagnose as autistic just because they're a bit socially awkward. Not knowing what to say at parties is not a medical condition, we've just been conditioned by the media to believe that everyone is extroverted and quick-witted. You're not autistic, you're just a bit of a berk.

At the low-functioning end, a lot of people who would have previously been diagnosed as learning disabled are being diagnosed as autistic, probably out of some impulse towards false hope. There are autistic geniuses, but there are no learning disabled geniuses; pretending that your kid has autism allows you to overlook the fact that they have an IQ of 55. There might one day be a cure for autism, but there's no cure for being terminally thick.

There was a big wave of badly-raised chav kids with a bit of foetal alcohol syndrome being misdiagnosed with autism, but now they're usually misdiagnosed with ADHD, ODD or PDD-NOS.

High-functioning autistic people are a special bunch who can often learn to live with their condition and have successful lives and careers, if they're raised in the right way.

What seems to happen very often now is that instead of being pushed into situations that are difficult and stressful for them, giving them the chance to learn how to cope and thrive, many more kids are being wrapped in cotton wool and so denied the chance to learn.

I'm definitely at least a borderline case myself, I was never diagnosed but very much mothered too much which allowed me to get by for too long without developing better social skills and self reliance, but at 18 I left home and made my own way and that set me back on the right course.

The problem is that if you tell people nowadays that kids with autism just need to be kicked out into the world, you get people screaming "ableist" at you, but that's completely missing the point. High functioning autists aren't disabled they just think differently and arguably better in many ways, but they need to learn how to interact with a world full of normals to reach their potential and you can't book learn those skills.

>>30347

I get what you're saying, but think you might also be succumbing to survivor bias, here. I don't have any data, but I imagine there are likely examples of people "on the spectrum" being pushed out into the world as you describe and failing to become resilient, perhaps experiencing trauma, getting their psychological makeup categorised in some other way, and falling through other social safety nets as a result.

>>30347

>if you tell people nowadays that kids with autism just need to be kicked out into the world, you get people screaming "ableist" at you

Not to be a cunt but your post reads like the sort of detached and casually ignorant Mail-esque shite my parents are always coming out with, and I always have to ask them "How the fuck do you two know, you've not been anywhere or spoken to anyone beyond this street and the local for the past ten years."

I'm reasonably certain that a lot of the apparent prevalence of autism and such in kids has more to do with cynical parents attempting to abdicate responsibility for their kid being a little shit at school, than it does to do with kids these days being wrapped in cotton wool.

I'm loving the entertainment nuggets per hour system of grading entertainment.

But what about suspense scenes? They become less suspenseful at speed. And what of action scenes? They move often move too quickly to really appreciate what's happening.

I guess you need to incorporate variable rate x E in your calculations. Maybe we can make a proposal to Netflix about constructing a variable video speed controller that adjusts videos to the optimum speed for a viewer for any given moment based on level of enjoyment from previous videos watched.

I find drama/comedy/entertainment in general just doesn't work sped up for me. (If it's so badly directed or edited that I need to change the speed, it's rubbish that's not worth watching to begin with)

But factual stuff, product reviews, etc. on youtube I'm regularly speeding things up, to around 1.25 to 1.75x depending on what sort of thing is going on and how fast the person is speaking.
I struggle with 2x speed, really just because of the audio quality making it to much effort to listen to.

>>23371
>>23376
OP here, I saw Three Billboards the other day. It's a very good film, but I as I suspected I certainly wouldn't include it in this thread. The protagonist is a woman but all the principal supporting characters are men, as might be expected when it's about a woman's relationship with the police. Rockwell, Harrelson, Dinklage - it's a very male film.

>>23503
What speed did you watch it at though?

>>23436
What an odd conclusion to come to from watching half an episode. It is actually nothing like that.I personally enjoyed it, though it is oddly paced. It's worth a watch imo and better than most stuff I've seen from Netflix.

HOWEVER, if you're going to watch one thing on Netty, then I'd recommend Unabomber. It's a really addictive show about a good-guy obsessive trying to profile the Unabomber from his cryptic letters and actions. Really watchable.

>>4498
That's a fine looking vehicle for the money.

I've lately become a little bit fascinated with really old cars.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PZBFR-jxb9U

It's interesting to see sow much has changed and yet how much remains the same, and I always find it a little bit enchanting when pre-WW2 tech and machinery is still serviceable and usable today. It feels like it comes from an altogether different era of history.

I'm afraid my Meriva has sensed my thoughts about its 'spongy' steering and decided to throw one of them EPS failures at me.

Luckily it's only popped up when I was parking at work this morning, and hadn't decided to spontaneously fix itself when it came to going home so I had a very invigorating drive home. Works the muscles.

Now I'm not sure what to do. I know Merivas have EPS problems as a matter of inevitability but I can't say I've had any prior issues with it, and I'm not sure if the previous owners did either. Most people describe it as being intermittent but mine just seems to have fucking given up completely, I start the car and the EPS light is either already illuminated or the steering wheel will have a spasm then turn off the EPS to save itself.

Main problem with this is that it's expensive to fix and I have no money (that I want to spend on a car). I also like my slow, ugly schoolrun car and wasn't planning on ditching it any time soon as I only do a few thousand miles a year.

>>4539

You could stick it up for sale for very slightly cheaper than one with working EPS and hope for the best, people with the inclination to do their own work might see it as a decent investment. It's a long shot but you lose nothing by popping an ad on gumtree really.

Other than that there's not much you can do - pull the EPS fuse and the car will continue to operate without power steering quite happily, though it's probably not the most pleasant ways to drive around.

>>4539

I drove my old car with dead power steering for a full year and a half before I flogged it. I eventually got used to it, and whenever I'd get in someone else's car and eventually my new new car, it felt like driving a light and weightless cloud. I think it was actually giving my arms a bit of a workout too, I had slightly better muscle definition that's gone away since.

I've never been an addict but found that having a 0mg vape stopped me from buying a pack when drunk or bumming cigs off people outside pubs. It's an excuse to go outside and puff but without the nicky hit. Maybe that'll help by still allowing you to go outside for a bit?

>>5581

That's an interesting hypothetical. If there were a magical alcohol-free scotch that tasted exactly the same, would I drink it?

If it tasted exactly the same, as in, somehow had the alcoholic taste without the other effects like Star Trek synthehol, if anything I would probably drink much more.

I've always liked the idea of having a ritualistic nightcap, but I am an absolute lightweight and would feel awful.

>>5585

You don't want a night cap. It is just a normalisation of alcoholism. Doctors say it actually disrupts the REM cycle, those doctors apparently undervalue what a disruptive fucker acute withdrawal is to sleep.

>>5577

I don't doubt your sincerity in liking it, but the post that provoked my stance was this >>5562 and doubt they were being anything other than pretentious.

>>5583
Two weeks later and I can report that I'm noticeably eating more but also that I've become much more popular on dating apps. The latter is as useful as a chocolate teapot at the moment but it's nice to learn that was the only thing holding me back. Unless Big-Aubergine boosts your profile when you quit.

What's worked for me is keeping score of the days and not wanting to break the streak. Last night I saw a couple smoking cigarettes and calmed the urge to go buy a pack by noting that I was near the two-week mark. Also drumstick squashies taste like shit now that I've stopped smoking.

>>67850
WHAT A LEGEND. I WILL VOTE THE SHIT OUT OF HIS RECLAIM PARTY, UNLESS I VOTE FOR SAVILLE INSTEAD.

>>67850
Careful you don't commit any hatecrimes - he doesn't have to wear one because he has 'anxiety'. All this attention must be hell.

>>66854

The thinking man's racist.

Well, simple answer is, he's a wanker innit

>>67854

I find the way you are trivialising poor laurence's anxiety to be quite ableist. Do better lad.

Fuck Mini Babybels.

>>67702

Do you really want large daddy bell to peel off his red waxy coat and reveal his smelly cheese to you?

>>67711
Flash me, Daddy. I want that big yellow curd in my mouth.

They've changed babybel recently. It's like they've inflated them. They're larger but a lot less dense.

will o' tha people innit

>>67798
EXCUSE THE EXTRA THE, COFFEE NOT KICKED IN QUITE YET.

>>67799

>>67800

Dhamok and Jilad at Tinagra.

>>67801
Shaka, when the walls fell.

i'd smash that fash, lad
iykwim

I have one every other week usually.
I'm going this month without one though.

>>14072
There was (is?) a kebab place in Bucharest of all places, in the base of a commieblock across the road from the commieblock my mate lived in, that was absolutely fucking divine. It had potato chunks in that were just the perfect blend of spicy and savoury. I've not had one come close before or since.

Usually I have one once every six weeks, if you average it out over a year. However, in the past month just gone I've had two, because I'd not had any takeaways at all for a couple of months before exactly a month ago and then on something like the 28th I wanted a Chinese. I had a crab that time! Oh, the novelty. The chippy and the Chinese closest to me are probably the best I've had and COVID has forced the Chinese to start home deliveries rather than only doing customer pick-up, so, that least some good has come from all this.

>>14075
>a kebab place in Bucharest of all places
Well, yeah, it's like 120 years/the thickness of Bulgaria from Turkey.

>>14054

I used to have one every 2 weeks, but since the pandemic i've gone months without them because i've had to do online groceries, which means planning out the week in food (there's always something in), and with no commute i'm rarely too tired to cook.

Once, maybe twice.

>>8210
Someone already has paid tax on it. Now the government wants a second bite.

>>8211

By that logic the only form of tax should be sales tax, or income tax, or corporation tax, take your pick. Every pound has tax extracted from it multiple times as it changes hands, and we need that money to set fire to, in offering the gods who oversee the fertility of the Magic Money Tree at the Bank of England.

>>8211 This is the most specious argument, and I don't understand why it gets any traction. Is it some yank thing?

You're about to get a load of money. Pay tax on it.

>>8210

And trees don't grow on roads. Vegetable rights and peace!

>>8219
They'll grow through roads if you let them.