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>> No. 4049 Anonymous
19th July 2012
Thursday 1:09 am
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I'd love to try my hand at sculpture, especially with clay and stone. I'm a bit of a wannabe fine artist, so I'm looking to make human figures on a tiny scale. However, I have no idea how I'd get started with such a hobby.

Do you Britfa.gs have any insight into this?
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>> No. 4050 Anonymous
19th July 2012
Thursday 1:12 am
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>>4049

Note that by 'tiny', I just mean 'of a table-display size'.
>> No. 4051 Anonymous
19th July 2012
Thursday 1:37 am
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>>4049

Take a class I guess. A lot of universities run summer or night courses for this sort of thing. Not sure how much it would be but I can imagine if you search around a bit you could find something that isn't extortionate.
It would mean you can get a feel for it without forking out for tools and supplies plus you get to do it in a group which can be fun. A teacher as well, obviously.
>> No. 4052 Anonymous
19th July 2012
Thursday 8:38 am
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>>4051
Pretty much. Plenty of colleges do this sort of thing too. If you're on the dole, it's cheap as chips.
>> No. 4053 Anonymous
19th July 2012
Thursday 12:23 pm
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I do! Lots. Kinda.
For making small people you'll probably want to be using some variety of sculpey. It's pretty much what the warhammer people use to make their models, or used to before computer. Carving something from stone at a small scale is not likely to go well.
I started making things from sculpey after reading Peter Konig's tutorial/s on conceptart.org, they're useful and inspiring. They're walk-throughs from concept to finished sculpture.
Simple: http://conceptart.org/forums/showthread.php?t=18287
Advanced: http://conceptart.org/forums/showthread.php?t=71836
He sells DVDs that probably have more detail but aren't really that important. There are some other useful threads -
http://conceptart.org/forums/showthread.php?t=154465
http://conceptart.org/forums/showthread.php?t=100894
http://conceptart.org/forums/showthread.php?t=33484
and the main forum is full of other people working on similar things if you filter out the computer 3D stuff.
http://conceptart.org/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=10

There's lots of information and cool stuff to look at anyway.
>> No. 4057 Anonymous
23rd July 2012
Monday 6:53 pm
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There are a few different materials used for tiny scale sculpting, and none of them are (natural) clays or stone. Generally you'll be using a synthetic compound for fine detail work:
Epoxy putties, two part materials that must be mixed before they are used and will cure within the space of an hour or so. Polymer clays, which cure through heating like conventional clays (albeit with much lower temperatures) but are much better at holding fine detail, and they won't dry out.

Epoxy putty is Milliput, or Green Stuff (the stuff used in most wargames miniature sculting) and a number of other similar products and polymer clays are best represented by Super Sculpey.

I find epoxy putty a bit difficult to work with because it's a lot more plastic than the clays and tends to be very sticky, You need to push and pull at it more than carve it and it will harden completely within a couple of hours once you've mixed it.
Super sculpey and the like can be used more like traditional clay on a small scale; it's a bit sticky, but you can carve at it. Super sculpey also has the advantage of a hugely prolonged working life, as you need to bake it at a 100C or so to cure it and up until you do that it will remain malleable.

Unfortunately I don't have experience with actual clay in anything smaller than a full sized head sculpt, and none of the clay I've worked with was ever used for a final product. Just sacrificial masters for mould making. I think you should look at super sculpey, if you want a hobby at home. If you want to work with clay definitely look around for courses and things in local colleges though.
>> No. 4058 Anonymous
23rd July 2012
Monday 7:10 pm
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>>4057
>up until you do that it will remain malleable.

Within reason. If you leave it out too long it dries up a bit, becomes unworkable.
>> No. 4059 Anonymous
23rd July 2012
Monday 9:06 pm
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Thank you for the advice so far, lads. I will look into the products mentioned. Just out of curiosity, though, on what scale would I need to work to use natural materials?
>> No. 4060 Anonymous
23rd July 2012
Monday 9:41 pm
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>>4059
It depends what sort of detail you want. Natural materials are much harder to work with in that respect.
>> No. 4061 Anonymous
23rd July 2012
Monday 10:15 pm
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>>4060

Again, human bodies, mainly. As much detail as I could possibly get there. I can mainly see myself making at least or bigger-than lifesize sections of the human body. Hands, heads or feet for example.
>> No. 4062 Anonymous
23rd July 2012
Monday 11:44 pm
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>>4061

Yes, but human bodies can have different levels of detail. Modern statues are often made in clay then cast in some variety of concrete to look like stone, and aren't terribly detailed. On the opposite end of the spectrum are things like this which are mostly made from a number of different chemicals similar to latex and silicone. There's a lot of fibreglass in there too for structure.

The statue-style thing is the most likely contender.
>> No. 4063 Anonymous
24th July 2012
Tuesday 2:43 am
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>>4061

There are a couple of things you need to think about as well as scale: do you want to sculpt in the final material, or is the sculpt going to be used to make a mould?

(Some variety) of clay is good for human sized bits. You can get most of the important lines and creases and a good imitation of skin texture in it. I'm only experienced in using clay for masters though, then moulding it before it dries and discarding the original sculpt.

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