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>> No. 418591 Anonymous
11th July 2018
Wednesday 9:51 am
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If you have the money to pay for private treatment, does it help or hinder the NHS to do so?
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>> No. 418592 Anonymous
11th July 2018
Wednesday 10:53 am
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Good question, there's so many factors involved it would be hard to calculate for an individual choice. It would probably depend on the kind of treatment, your regional health board, waiting lists for that treatment, etc..

My own approach is to make my personal choices somewhat separately from my politically active life. In an ideal world it would all align perfectly, but that's not the case.

I have private healthcare through my employer, but am a former NHS worker myself. I am passionate about good public healthcare, campaign for certain issues. The one that irritates me most is the issue of training and research funding; all the hard work really is done with public money. Privatisation happens at the end when valuable commodities start appearing, whether they're health workers or drugs.
>> No. 418593 Anonymous
11th July 2018
Wednesday 12:12 pm
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>>418591
The NHS spend millions every year fixing their fuck ups, so go figure. The NHS has the best surgeons and specialists, mercenary doctors are invariably shit. Private care is not equal across the board. The only private hospital you should even consider is the one the Queen uses.
>> No. 418594 Anonymous
11th July 2018
Wednesday 2:12 pm
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>>418591

The NHS is fantastic at what it does - save lives and deal with emergencies. As >>418593 points out the best surgeons and specialists are with the NHS and people come from all over the world to learn at NHS hospitals (that doesn't always mean that some of our best and brightest don't set up private shop though, especially over in the states where doctors can make serious money).

On the other hand some areas of health, such as mental health, are simply massively underfunded throughout the NHS. The NHS is so under-funded and stretched to death right now that "I'm miserable and I want to kill myself" almost sounds like a successful patient outcome ("look boss, one less on the waiting list for CBT"). In my experience going private made a world of difference, but don't expect it to be cheap.
>> No. 418595 Anonymous
11th July 2018
Wednesday 2:19 pm
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What a ridiculous image.
>> No. 418600 Anonymous
11th July 2018
Wednesday 7:12 pm
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>>418591
Some NHS hospitals have private clinics where the profit goes directly back into the NHS trust.
>> No. 418602 Anonymous
11th July 2018
Wednesday 7:54 pm
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>>418600
What? Doesn't that violate free at the point of use?
>> No. 418608 Anonymous
11th July 2018
Wednesday 11:41 pm
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>>418602

Not is it's a seperate company that just so happens to be owned by the NHS trust.

The way funding has ended up has forced a lot of hospitals into doing shady between the lines kinds of things like that. You can't pull a £17m budget shortfall out of your arse, and the government certainly won't help, but you can sack all your auxiliary staff and re-hire them under a subsidiary company with no rights and lower pay.
>> No. 418613 Anonymous
12th July 2018
Thursday 10:54 am
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>>418608
Bloody hell it's true.

https://www.england.nhs.uk/nhsidentity/examples/private-healthcare-delivered-by-an-nhs-trust-foundation-trust/

How long have they been allowed to do this?
>> No. 418618 Anonymous
12th July 2018
Thursday 12:55 pm
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>>418613
>When NHS foundation trusts were established they were required to limit the proportion of their private income to the level it had been in 2006. For many this was zero. The average across England was 2%, but levels at teaching hospitals, especially in London, were considerably higher. 18 NHS hospitals in London run wards for private patients. The Health and Social Care Act 2012 permitted Foundation trusts to raise their private income to 49% of the total. Only The Royal Marsden NHS Foundation Trust, which hopes to raise 45% of its income from private patients and other non-NHS sources in 2016/7 and is trying to raise its income from paying patients from £90m to £100m,[4] is any where near the 49% limit.
>> No. 419517 Anonymous
12th August 2018
Sunday 3:53 pm
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I had to pay for private once due to [reasons] and in short it was very shit tier. Regular NHS doctors do a few hours of private service once or twice a week, and their service standards don't change. I paid £150 for a 10 min look and to be told fuck off.

The theoretical disadvantages listed apply for many other countries, and I've observed private healthcare being better than public in many places, but here I'd say there's nothing to worry about - as is.
>> No. 419519 Anonymous
12th August 2018
Sunday 4:16 pm
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>>418591
I had this debate recently, with friends and family. In the past I had never taken private healthcare when it was offered as part of an employment package - I recently changed jobs, and did. My reasoning was, if private is available, you should take it, as you're lessening the pressure on the health service and people who need it more than me (ie who don't have access to a private scheme).
>> No. 419552 Anonymous
13th August 2018
Monday 5:17 am
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I do all my own operations.
>> No. 419562 Anonymous
13th August 2018
Monday 3:44 pm
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>>419552
You are not going to perform that operation yourself!

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