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>> No. 419345 Anonymous
6th August 2018
Monday 11:30 pm
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ZIfDSkCiv0 - this is quite unpleasant but also pretty bizarre.

Anyone else suspect the especially obnoxious and provocative cameraman who allowed the film to leak out is an undercover cop?
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>> No. 419347 Anonymous
7th August 2018
Tuesday 12:24 am
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>this is quite unpleasant but also pretty bizarre
>especially obnoxious and provocative

It sounds entirely in keeping with the current thrust of the far-right. This is what happens when politics becomes a race to the right, where the desire to kowtow to the free market to the detriment of everything else in society and civil disourse is the sole aim in political life; the suspicion of supporting a man like Corbyn and his reasonable and unremarkable politics is a lightning rod for latter day Brown Shirts. Daft looking, flabby, Brown Shirts with a limited draw, but this is the path the West has chosen. And, as ever, with the chronically short sighted ideals of the libertarians, no one saw it coming.
>> No. 419348 Anonymous
7th August 2018
Tuesday 1:55 am
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>>419347
Farts well and truly sniffed.
>> No. 419349 Anonymous
7th August 2018
Tuesday 2:00 am
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Is that it?
>> No. 419350 Anonymous
7th August 2018
Tuesday 2:52 am
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>>419349
Yes they ran away after the nasty bookshop man called the rozzers, it wasn't as extreme as news reports made it out to be.

One of the Make Britain Great Again lads in the footage tonight posted a facebook video affecting a posh accent saying it wasn't my fault, all the others went too far, looks like he will be in the papers and in court soon, silly sod was looking pretty scared in it.
>> No. 419351 Anonymous
7th August 2018
Tuesday 3:04 am
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>>419347

Nah m8. That bunch of right-wing arseholes are just ineptly and half-heartedly aping the tactics of left-wing arseholes.





I don't really give a fuck what you believe, just don't be a cunt about it. We should be frightened of anyone who thinks that they have a monopoly on good and that their opponents have a monopoly on evil. We should be frightened of anyone who thinks that the lives of seven billion people can be reduced to a simple narrative with obvious heroes and villains. We should be frightened of anyone who believes that they have all the answers. Civil society is incredibly fragile and excruciatingly difficult to rebuild.

People are looking at the rise of the alt-right and quite legitimately saying "that's how the Nazis got started". If you're intellectually honest, you also have to be willing to look at things and say "that's how the Khmer Rouge got started".
>> No. 419352 Anonymous
7th August 2018
Tuesday 6:56 am
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>> No. 419353 Anonymous
7th August 2018
Tuesday 10:12 am
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>>419351
>Civil society is incredibly fragile and excruciatingly difficult to rebuild.

Always worth bearing in mind. I have a friend who lived through the outbreak of civil war as a teenage girl in Croatia. The media had been pumping out all sorts of hateful rhetoric, idiots would be getting tanked up and they would put a brick through their neighbours window over some political or ethnic or religious point.

Then the cops would turn up. Then the army. Then the paramilitary squads and the fucking useless UN peacekeepers. All making it worse. And this wasn't some third-world shithole, it was formerly the most successful and liberty-rich part of the old Eastern Bloc.
>> No. 419355 Anonymous
7th August 2018
Tuesday 1:30 pm
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>>419353

I vividly remember the fall of the Berlin wall and the horrors of the Yugoslav wars. Too many people ignore the most valuable lesson from history, which is it happened there and then, so it can happen here and now.

Britain has been a very stable nation over the past few centuries, but that has led to a very dangerous complacency. A large proportion of Germans can remember the Stasi. Most eastern Europeans remember the likes of Tito, Ceaușescu and Milošević. Many Spaniards can remember Franco. We don't have that fear. We don't have that cautionary tale of how things can all come crashing down. We think that we're different, we think that we're special, we think that tyranny and barbarism is something that happens to other people.
>> No. 419356 Anonymous
7th August 2018
Tuesday 2:01 pm
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>>419351
Except nothing remotely violent happens in the first video and the second one is just run of the mill, still unacceptable, pushing and shoving with the coppers. Also those protesters are acting against the massive businesses, not the workers inside. Oh, and the Khmer Rouge was a genocidal guerrilla force built up over years with the help if the North Vietnamese, not people demanding Topshop and the like pay their bloody taxes.

In fact, the more I look at your post the less sense it makes.
>> No. 419357 Anonymous
7th August 2018
Tuesday 3:25 pm
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>>419355
>Many Spaniards can remember Franco.

Don't most Spaniards, apart from those pesky Catalans, like Franco?
>> No. 419358 Anonymous
7th August 2018
Tuesday 3:34 pm
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>>419356

>the more I look at your post the less sense it makes.

It makes sense if you realise he's just indulging in some alt-right style whataboutism himself.
>> No. 419359 Anonymous
7th August 2018
Tuesday 3:45 pm
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Not exactly on point but the typical back stories given by the SCS in that book are remarkably similar to the reasons some people during chanology claimed to have no family. Voyd, tattooman et al. It would have been while the SCS was still operating, too.
>> No. 419360 Anonymous
7th August 2018
Tuesday 4:34 pm
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>>419358

It's clearly not whataboutism. I'm not trying to defend either side, I'm criticising both. The alt-right are a bunch of arseholes, they don't deserve a platform in the mainstream media and if they break the law they need locking up. If a mob go into a shop and start screaming and shouting, I'm going to question whether they're reasonable people trying to usefully advance the political debate, regardless of whether their grievance is the tax affairs of a multinational chain or the content of books being sold by an independent retailer.

>>419356

The most violent thing I saw in the alt-right video was a placard being torn up. The fact that the lefties are protesting against a corporate multinational doesn't make their choice of protest any less intimidating for the staff in that shop. I used the video as an example to demonstrate that while the far-right and the far-left differ in ideology, they do not drastically differ in tactics or strategy.

My point is not that protesting in Topshop makes you as bad as Pol Pot, but that we should recognise the historical basis for fearing both right- and left-wing extremism. If you go into the comments section of The Guardian or a Momentum-related Facebook group, you'll find plenty of people calling for bankers or Etonians or Tories to be stripped of their human rights or executed. That kind of rhetoric can lead to barbarism just as easily as anything that's being spouted by Tommy Robinson or Jayda Fransen.

I'm not criticising the moderate left. Most of Corbyn's policies are perfectly reasonable. He has a tendency to fraternise with some genuinely unsavoury characters, but the same accusation can be levied against most of the Tory front bench. I have absolutely no problem with people saying that taxes should be higher to fund better public services, that we should renationalise the railways or that we shouldn't renew Trident. I don't necessarily agree with all of it, but I think that they're perfectly reasonable positions to hold.

My grievance is with Corbyn's more fanatical supporters. Many of them seem quite happy to call moderate Conservatives evil and stupid, to argue that Brexit supporters are too stupid to deserve a vote, to call anyone in the Labour movement even slightly to the right of Corbyn a traitor, to intimidate and harass anyone who doesn't fit within the narrow parameters of their ideology. I think it's perfectly legitimate to argue that if the alt-right are the contemporary face of Naziism, then the far-left are the contemporary face of Stalinism.

I'm deeply worried about contemporary political culture, because it seems that increasingly few people are willing to entertain the possibility that moderates on the other side of the centre might have a reasonable point. Corbyn and May are roughly equidistant from the established centre of British politics, but they and their supporters paint the other side as belonging to a lunatic fringe that holds morally and intellectually indefensible ideas. If we call everyone an extremist, then the word loses all power. We lump moderate socialists with tankies, moderate conservatives with brownshirts. That pattern is one of the key markers of a society lurching towards totalitarianism - when you redefine moderates as extremists, you have all the justification you need to silence them.
>> No. 419361 Anonymous
7th August 2018
Tuesday 5:40 pm
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>>419359
That is an interesting detail to hear, I certainly wasn't involved with that silly chanology stuff but know that the popo and CoS have always been on extremely friendly terms.
>> No. 419362 Anonymous
7th August 2018
Tuesday 6:01 pm
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>>419360
>The most violent thing I saw in the alt-right video was a placard being torn up.

Shouting paedo and jew hater in someone's face all mobhanded and filming him seemed much more violent to me than ripping up the placard. The swappie lad kept his cool pretty well and stood his ground but it must have been pretty traumatising. If this was the vision of America the alt right guys want he would have been well entitled to pull a shooter out on them as soon as they refused to leave his property and invaded his space. And I know violence is never an answer but I would be rooting for him to shoot the fucking lot of em including the two almost certain undercover cops who started it, and it isn't like me to be on the side of the SWP.
>> No. 419363 Anonymous
7th August 2018
Tuesday 6:03 pm
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>>419361

There's nothing particularly conspiratorial about it, the police just make it their business to infiltrate any significant dissident group. Far-left, far-right, anti-war, anti-fracking, anti-anything. If you get involved in any kind of protest activity, you can expect to end up on their radar. One of the reasons why the student protests in 2011 turned riotous was that it's fairly difficult for the police to infiltrate student groups - there aren't many undercover coppers who can pass for being a student.
>> No. 419364 Anonymous
7th August 2018
Tuesday 6:17 pm
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>>419362
>And I know violence is never an answer but I would be rooting for him to shoot the fucking lot of em
Hilarious. There was just a comment about nutters like you a few posts back.
>> No. 419366 Anonymous
7th August 2018
Tuesday 7:08 pm
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>>419360
>It's clearly not whataboutism. I'm not trying to defend either side, I'm criticising both.
That's more or less the definition of whataboutery.
>> No. 419367 Anonymous
7th August 2018
Tuesday 7:18 pm
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>I'm not trying to defend either side, I'm criticising both.
>> No. 419368 Anonymous
7th August 2018
Tuesday 7:37 pm
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>>419364
Yes, and my visceral and furious reaction was intended to be illustrative of how dangerous these sort of antics are to the stability of civil society, dumbo.
>> No. 419369 Anonymous
7th August 2018
Tuesday 7:40 pm
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>>419363
And when they act as provocateurs actually encouraging criminal actions to rack up convictions and justify their budgets, as has happened on numerous occasions, is when I feel a bit Moaty.

"The confrontation was not created by the police; the confrontation was created by the people who charged the police. Gentlemen, let's get the thing straight, once and for all. The policeman isn't there to create disorder; the policeman is there to preserve disorder." - the immortal Mayor Daley.
>> No. 419370 Anonymous
7th August 2018
Tuesday 8:41 pm
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>>419362
>pretty traumatising

Christ almighty.
>> No. 419376 Anonymous
7th August 2018
Tuesday 9:23 pm
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The left cry out alt-right in regards to any reactionary politics from the right. Alt right are ethno nationalists that hate Jews, gays and brown-eyed people. I see more issues regarding race and antisemitism from the left, to be frank. I'm black and for some reason the left want me to be a victim and I'm like wtf, does my skin colour define me? Am I not allowed self ownership or is that alt-right too?


>> No. 419377 Anonymous
7th August 2018
Tuesday 9:31 pm
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>>419370

Yeah I know right, these days people don't know how good they've got it. Angry mobs used to scream abuse at me, directly, every day, and it never did me no harm. I'd be crowded around in my workplace all the time and had overwhelming numbers of men just shout at me for hours. Character building stuff.

Try to at least imagine what empathy might be like before you come out with this stuff in the future, mate.
>> No. 419378 Anonymous
7th August 2018
Tuesday 9:39 pm
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>>419376
>I'm black and for some reason the left want me to be a victim

You've reminded me of a post in the /news/ thread about drag queens and how 'Paul Joseph Watson' types made a gay lad hyper aware of his sexuality and like a freak who needs special treatment rather than a normal human being.
>> No. 419379 Anonymous
7th August 2018
Tuesday 9:45 pm
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>>419378
>Paul Joseph Watson

Look on the bright side, Infowars lost most of its revenue streams today. I don't want to crow over the poor lad probably losing his job, but.
>> No. 419380 Anonymous
7th August 2018
Tuesday 9:47 pm
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>>419376
> I'm black and for some reason the left want me to be a victim and I'm like wtf, does my skin colour define me? Am I not allowed self ownership or is that alt-right too?

This one's for you, blacklad.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iRdsI0FLPDY
>> No. 419381 Anonymous
7th August 2018
Tuesday 10:05 pm
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>>419380

>blacklad

Racist, whatever happened to ladm7

op from >>419376

God that song is shit
>> No. 419382 Anonymous
7th August 2018
Tuesday 10:08 pm
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>>419378

What is a 'Paul Joseph Watson' type....
>> No. 419383 Anonymous
7th August 2018
Tuesday 10:21 pm
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>>419382
It's a word filter for ess jay double-ewe.
>> No. 419384 Anonymous
7th August 2018
Tuesday 10:25 pm
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>>419380


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GkoX4MHQSdI

>> No. 419387 Anonymous
7th August 2018
Tuesday 10:33 pm
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>>419384

God this is shit as well, it's a heavy metal Ebony and Ivory trying to get banned.
>> No. 419390 Anonymous
7th August 2018
Tuesday 10:43 pm
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>>419387

> it's a heavy metal Ebony and Ivory

Funny way to put it, but yeah...


>trying to get banned

I meant no harm.
>> No. 419391 Anonymous
7th August 2018
Tuesday 10:43 pm
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>> No. 419405 Anonymous
8th August 2018
Wednesday 1:49 am
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This behavior is reminiscent of the antifa folks with their deplatforming malarkey.

Just how many people are like this, anybody have any idea? Are Antifa and these far right folks gaining any kind of traction with the general public or are they considered emotionally irrational minorities.
>> No. 419409 Anonymous
8th August 2018
Wednesday 2:12 am
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>>419405

To paraphrase Jordan Peterson

There is a line within right wing politics which goes too far, that line is ethnic nationalism. The right wing rejects this as any normal person would and says stay away from it. The left wing has no dividing line and far left ideology is not rejected and allowed within their political means.
>> No. 419410 Anonymous
8th August 2018
Wednesday 2:31 am
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Imagine Theresa Maybot speaking to people who wave swastika flags in the crowd......
>> No. 419416 Anonymous
8th August 2018
Wednesday 7:05 am
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>>419405
>>419409
Hello, /pol/, the left, by large, doesn't have "politics which goes too far" like the extermination or forced deportation of entire ethnic groups, not in numbers anyone would consider noteworthy. I know you have to think anyone left of Reagan is some kind of Beria-in-waiting to justify your own extremist views, but it's simply not the case.

>>419410
>......
You fucking twat.
>> No. 419417 Anonymous
8th August 2018
Wednesday 7:34 am
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>>419416
Haven't you got an antifa meeting to attend?
>> No. 419418 Anonymous
8th August 2018
Wednesday 10:09 am
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>>419417
Oh, goodness, how withering.
>> No. 419419 Anonymous
8th August 2018
Wednesday 10:12 am
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>>419416

>the left, by large, doesn't have "politics which goes too far" like the extermination or forced deportation of entire ethnic groups

Correct they cull people based on ideological purity instead.

Unless you count the multiple ethnic cleanses of Stalin both at home and by proxy, Mao's culling of the Tibetan inteligencia, Lao People's Democratic Republic against the Homg, and the Cambodian killing fields. But everyone knows they weren't true left scotsmen.
>> No. 419423 Anonymous
8th August 2018
Wednesday 11:08 am
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>>419419

You're willfully ignoring the bit where I said "by large", and if those ideas were anywhere near the mainstream of left wing thinking at the time being I'd be concerned, but they ain't so I ain't. The rampant xenophobia that influenced a great many of those massacres simply isn't present at all in modern day left, so these attempts to tie anyone who wants a more forthright green energy policy to Maoism ring very hollow. It's little different to when the modern day Republicans in America try to slur the Democrats as racist because Lincoln ended slavery; "what have you done for me lately, Eddie?!" Well I certainly haven't got in anyone's face for wearing specs or had people killed for not wearing state issued pyjamas. However, the ideas of rampant intolerance, disdain for a free judiciary and a jingoistic foreign policy, all hallmarks of the worst excesses of the far-right, are quite readily accepted into the political discourse of presidents and ex-foreign secretaries alike.
>> No. 419429 Anonymous
8th August 2018
Wednesday 11:33 am
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>>419423

>if those ideas were anywhere near the mainstream of left wing thinking at the time

Not the other bloke, but his point was that there's such a thing as an extremist left winger, not that they were the mainstream. Just as the far right isn't their mainstream.
>> No. 419432 Anonymous
8th August 2018
Wednesday 11:44 am
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>>419423

>The rampant xenophobia that influenced a great many of those massacres simply isn't present at all in modern day The rampant xenophobia that influenced a great many of those massacres simply isn't present at all in modern day left

Clearly you haven't been paying attention to identity politics at all then.
>> No. 419457 Anonymous
9th August 2018
Thursday 12:29 pm
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>>419416

I was actually just asking a question about the popularity of extreme political views on both sides, I live in a hamlet in the middle of nowhere, was hoping to be enlightened by some of you city folk. Though you seem a bit defensive there chap.

Also, have you turned a blind eye to the body count caused by the left? Historically both ends of the spectrum can be just as bad as one another.

The PC culture peddled by the left has led to rampant levels of child rape throughout the UK due to the police being shit scared of arresting muzzies, It's really hard to ignore the harm that It's doing to our nation. For the record, I'm also not on a "side" per se and don't use /pol/.
>> No. 419458 Anonymous
9th August 2018
Thursday 1:07 pm
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>>419457

I don't see how physical location is really important to it any more- All of the extremism, more or less, on both sides comes from youngsters who live under this ethereal internet based collective consciousness. The middle class student types gravitate toward far left identity politics, whereas the disenfranchised neets and working class find themselves drawn into the alt-right nationalist rhetoric.

Both resonate with their supporters because they tend to focus on the issues that face those particular subgroups in their path through life- In a way, both of them have a valid basis, and that's what gets people in in the first place. The left is legitimately concerned with protecting the progressive changes society has seen over the last several decades, while the right is legitimately concerned about the perceived threats of globalisation and a creeping nanny state.

The echo chamber these people find themselves in once they've been hooked, in my opinion, is what turns things ugly. I think broadly speaking, today's young people are more likely to become evangelical in their beliefs, because so much discourse takes place online with some anonymous, depersonalised "troll" of an opponent. It seems too easy under those circumstances to forget personal beliefs are subjective, and that there is no great moral arbiter to decide what really is right and wrong.

Whereas the last several decades have been characterised by a dissatisfaction with robotic, soulless, centrist politicians and parties, I see us heading into an age of highly divisive politics with greater extremes and much more animosity.

In the interests of transparency, I fall firmly on the political left, but I see the whole identity politics trend as a harmful obsession. At best it's redundant, because generations going forward are bound to be more open minded than ever before, and at worst it's actively harmful, fracturing support bases and getting in the way of more meaningful left wing activity.
>> No. 419459 Anonymous
9th August 2018
Thursday 1:55 pm
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>>419458

Yeah, pretty much. Over the past four or five years, I've noticed a real increase in the number of strangers who end up chatting with me about weird conspiracy stuff. They're disproportionately but not entirely young. Older women seem to be most susceptible to antivax and alt-med bollocks, older men seem to mostly flirt with Bilderburg/illuminati/anti-Semitic/Shamanismophobic guff. It's really easy to see something on social media, go down a rabbit hole and find loads of "evidence" for something that's total bollocks. Conspiracy theories are super clickbaity and really hard to challenge.
>> No. 419468 Anonymous
10th August 2018
Friday 5:09 pm
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>>419457

Please go to bed, dad. I get enough of this at Christmas.

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