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|>>|| No. 422317
.gs are at it again, offering something I didn't know about. Thanks mate, I'll check that thing out.
I wouldn't go as far as claiming that it stopped being useful. To me, yes - upgrading offered really diminishing returns. To someone more proficient getting CS might make sense.
Way back I found a CS5 re-packaged by some Russian pirate into a mini version - just a photo editor without all the useless [to me] things. It was about 80-130 MB big and a breeze to work with when they fixed the Text tool bugs. Then I migrated to Linux for a few years and had to make do with GIMP but that's another story.
I have to note that >>422279 is right about GIMP.
|>>|| No. 422407
>Way back I found a CS5 re-packaged by some Russian pirate into a mini version - just a photo editor without all the useless [to me] things.
I came by Macromedia Flash MX in a similar way, back in the day. I was a web developer with serious ambitions back then, circa 2004, and could not have afforded working with a pirated version. At the same time, a full version of Flash MX was really quite expensive, and I spotted a place on eBay that sold the update version of Flash MX at around 150 quid or so, together with a slightly dodgy full version of Flash 3. The Flash 3 CD was merely in a paper sleeve with a serial number on a sticker on the back of it, and the printing on the top of the disc looked a bit off, but I was assured that it was an original. Good enough for me.
It's kind of a shame that Flash got such a bad rep the last couple of years. For what it was, at its time, it was a pretty powerful tool to create dynamic web content, and it produced very small file sizes, which mattered in the early 2000s because not everybody had high speed Internet yet.
The real problem was that Flash's native script language ActionScript became more and more complex and allowed a whole host of ways of inserting malicious code into a web page. This was a design flaw that they maybe could have avoided by setting certain limits to what ActionScript could do. But they didn't, and Flash increasingly became a security risk. But the real death knell was probably when Apple decided to no longer support Flash on the iPhone and youtube switched to HTML5.
|>>|| No. 422412
The complexity of Flash was partly deliberate, because it stymied efforts to build compatible tools and players. Microsoft did something very similar with the old Office document formats prior to ISO/IEC 29500. It gave Adobe a dominant market position for interactive web thingies, but it also gave other companies a compelling interest in abandoning the format.
|>>|| No. 422414
> Microsoft did something very similar with the old Office document formats
"Old" Composite Document File Format documents work almost like a FAT file system in a file. The idea was to make working on them almost impossible for any layperson or small company that wasn't going to invest a sizable amount of time and money into reversing the system and building a replacement engine - unless they purchased MS Office (which used to cost an absolute mint). It also made file access a fast as shit on computers that weren't exactly fast, back then (it's the same reason MS built their own heap allocator for Office <= 2010 - because the Windows heap implementation prior to LFH was just too slow for office, even with the FAT32 document format).
People did eventually reverse the protocol and introduce them into things like Apple's iWork, Openoffice and so on, although MS eventually releasing the document format specs no doubt helped a lot.
Sage for rambling. I need some more tea.
|>>|| No. 422415
>The complexity of Flash was partly deliberate, because it stymied efforts to build compatible tools and players.
There were simple third-party software tools though with which you could make simple animations and save them as Flash files for browsers (*.swf). Granted, none of them offered the level of functionality as Macromedia/Adobe Flash.
I think what killed Flash in the end was both that it was a wide open door for malicious code and that in the case of streaming video, technology had simply moved on. HTML5 makes it far easier to stream video directly in your browser using HTML and script languages than before. And Flash was always a usability nightmare. If you didn't have one of the latest Flash versions installed or if for example your employer had Flash deactivated on your work PC, menu bars could be immaneuverable, so as a good web developer, you had to create an additional non-Flash version of your site, which meant double the work.
Another reason was also that Flash was just overused for pointless intro screens and all kinds of silly moving bits and bobs on web sites. Tastes have definitely changed in that respect. Today's web sites are much more pared back and static again in a way. Appealing visuals are achieved much more with good typography and simple, large photos.
|>>|| No. 422416
You were all warned about walls of comp-sci text outside /g/ before lads, you have a board for this.
|>>|| No. 422418
Point taken. I thought we were just doing some superficial tech banter here, but you are of course right.
|>>|| No. 422419
I actually considered making a thread in /shed/ demanding this but decided against it.
|>>|| No. 422420
It's probably best if someone just starts a 'cars' thread on /mph/ and then let them use it as they see fit.
|>>|| No. 422425
I see no "comp-sci" here. Get back to us when someone starts comparing O(log n) complexity of various algorithms.
Seriously though, this was all "average computer user" level stuff especially if you compare it to the serious talk about rotary motors and what not the carlads are getting into in the "Week" thread.
Sage for being miserable git
|>>|| No. 422435
Both are inappropriate uses of the respective threads, lad. Both types of autists have their own boards, so stop being apathetic whingers and make threads about what interests you.
|>>|| No. 422436
In both cases here, though, the discussion came out of natural conversation. The car stuff only went in depth when someone asked a question, and went from there.
The original comment about GIMP might have arguably been better as a new thread, but I'm not really against the conversation that followed, either, it felt just as relevant as anything else we've nattered about in this thread.
I do want us to use the boards properly, but I get the sense that the car discussion would never have happened at all elsewhere, and the computery one would have likely been much shorter in /g/. What I'm saying is I've no idea how to fix that.
|>>|| No. 422437
> What I'm saying is I've no idea how to fix that.
There is no way to "fix" it beyond breaking the board's natural "nattery" culture.
I wonder if >>422435 is the same pillock who had multiple tearies when drugs were brought up in weekend threads a few years ago; I mean shock fucking horror - people do drugs at the weekend, people use computers and cars during the week and want to natter about it to like minded people.
It's not as if the week/weekend threads actually have a topic to begin with - they're general purpose talk about what's going on in your life threads.
If I jumped into a thread in /fat/ to spam 30+ posts about the technical ins and outs of my new workout tracking app I might get your point, but in a week/weekend general I feel like anything pretty much should go unless the conversation is definitely and definitively moving towards a single divisive topic, at which point it's better taken to its respective board before the inevitable cunt-off begins.
|>>|| No. 422438
Or one of the many lads who complained not long ago about inaccessible discussions on computers and computer programming in /shed/, maybe? Nice strawman, regardless; points for effort. Niche board discussions aren't "natural natter" to 99% of the population.
It's not hard to make a thread, go make a thread now. I'm sure you'll get replies, but you're obviously too cripplingly insecure to put yourself out there and say "discuss this with me" for fear of rejection... on an anonymous imageboard... for a reason unbeknownst to anyone as /g/ is one of our most used boards.
This is yet more evidence for why these generals are complete wank.
|>>|| No. 422440
>The car stuff only went in depth when someone asked a question, and went from there
Couldn't someone have asked a question to start a new thread on /mph/?
|>>|| No. 422441
You lot are only complaining because it's GIMP. I don't know why there is an overwhelming prejudice against open source software here but it's pretty nasty at times like this to be honest.
|>>|| No. 422442
>I'm sure you'll get replies
This is the thing, I'm not sure you would.
There's more discussion about mechanical keyboards in one of these weekend threads than there is on the /g/ post about mechanical keyboards, and the latter was there earlier. I lurk here enough to know that specific topic threads on specific boards just don't get the same replies as the week/end threads, so it makes sense that people are more willing to contribute their thoughts here.
I don't necessarily think this is a good situation, but it's the one we're in. Clearly encouraging people to make new threads doesn't work, so we could start moderating the week/end threads more heavily, moving applicable posts from here and reposting them as new threads on relevant boards, but my instincts tell me that wouldn't be effective. I'm not against trying, though.
|>>|| No. 422443
I too have noticed the insidious creep of anti-open source here. I've mentioned it a few times but just get shouted down. I worry that it's so subtle that it's affecting people's attitudes without them even realising.
|>>|| No. 422447
>Yeah - we're all in the pocket of Big Software.
And they post on anonymous image boards to discourage people from using open source.
|>>|| No. 422451
Why would I be comparing two O(log(n))s? Complexity is always measured by scalability, you can't split hairs there.
Appropriately the box was labelled 'autism'
|>>|| No. 422532
To ask somebody who popped in a 'general bants' thread at the right time? Seems mildly counter-productive, given that I didn't seek to derail the thread - the conversation happened naturally and fell into oblivion just exactly.
Now if I had something I'd like to have a proper discussion about, I'd go to the right board. That's only reasonable.
|>>|| No. 422537
An MP has resigned from Labour because she gave her son a £50,000 job despite him being convicted for drug dealing and then getting caught out lying by saying she didn't know of his crimes when she appointed him when it turned out she'd written a statement of character to the judge. When a journalist confronted her about this she threw a bucket of water over them and threatened to smash their face in with a baseball bat.
I've had a look at the resignation statement on Twitter and the majority of the replies are showing solidarity or complaining about journalists [having the audacity to ask the judge who wrote the reference letters for her son]. I do not understand blind tribal loyalty. If someone was caught out being dishonest and became aggressive when they were called out on it then they wouldn't get my unwaivering support.
|>>|| No. 422538
>and the majority of the replies are showing solidarity or complaining about journalists
Would I be correct in assuming that this is a coloured lady?
|>>|| No. 422539
>I've had a look at the resignation statement on Twitter and the majority of the replies are showing solidarity or complaining about journalists
Well, duh... it's their Twitter, who do you think is following her? Her supporters. It's like when people host Twitter polls over some matter of opinion and low and behold, ninety-percent of your followers agree with you.
|>>|| No. 422541
Yes. I know the likes of Kate Osamor and Fiona Onasanya have been up to no good, but it does feel like black politicians, particularly female ones, are under a greater degree of scrutiny and expected to behave to a higher standard than others. Diane Abbott and Dawn Butler are hardly the only MPs to spout bollocks, but they seem singled out for it.
I don't browse Twitter often, but most of the time when I see people responding to a Tweet they're disagreeing and hurling insults. Then again, I guess certain people in the public eye are lightning rods for that sort of thing
|>>|| No. 422543
I misread this the first time and now I've learned I have much more sympathy for judges than for journalists.
But more importantly I can't stop wondering: why was there a bucket of water nearby? There's something inherently comic about it. Until disillusioned, I'm going to imagine an MP carrying a bucket of water everywhere they go just in case they ever see a journalist.
|>>|| No. 422544
I'm not trying to be a bleeding heart or a contrarian here, but I genuinely imagined she'd be white - I think that probably just says more about what I imagine the default politician to look like than anything else, though.
>I can't stop wondering: why was there a bucket of water nearby?
I had imagined they'd tried to corner her outside her house, it's the only thing that makes sense. It's also pretty funny if that's the case.
|>>|| No. 422557
My other half has said that all granny smith apples are picked around October time and are then kept in giant chilled units, where they stay fresh all year round, before being delivered to the shops as and when required. Is she having me on?
|>>|| No. 422558
Apples, and most fruit and vegetables, are very often stored in a chilled, modified atmosphere environment which prevents the propagation of ethylene, which is the primary factor in ripening fruit. Most of the fruit we buy is months old, and apples in particular can be stored this way for almost a year. I don't know for sure that all granny smiths are picked in October, but there's no reason they couldn't be.
|>>|| No. 422559
The self-service tills in Poundland (at least) have been given Santa's voice, and it makes terrible Christmas puns. It's even more obnoxious that you are probably imagining.
|>>|| No. 422560
The other month they were doing an Elvis voice for some reason. They were painful to use.
|>>|| No. 422563
I know that apples in particular require a special kind of atmospheric environment to stay fresh for a year. This largely means that the air they are stored in must be oxygen free or have at least a very low oxygen content. Therefore, those warehouses usually have signs warning you that the air in the storage areas is not safe to breathe.
|>>|| No. 422907
I had far too much coffee tonight.
It's 3 am and I am wide awake like it's early evening.
|>>|| No. 422914
I had two cups of espresso at 6 pm yesterday but slept rather well.
At times, I'm lying wide awake until it's 2 am, even if I hadn't drunk any coffee. No idea why, possibly stress.
|>>|| No. 422929
I had two large mugs of strong coffee between 9pm and 11pm. I was doing some Arduino programming and things sort of got out of hand.
|>>|| No. 422937
I think Guru Larry and Kim Justice are shagging, although I'm not sure about the logistics.
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