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|>>|| No. 424833
Am I supposed to know who these people are?
I realise that might sound like me trying to act aloof or too important to recognise (I assume) famous people, but I'm genuinely asking, as I'm worried that this is something I should know about.
|>>|| No. 424836
It's about R Kelly and his arrest for fucking kids. There's been rumours for years and there's said to be footage of him fucking a 14 year old. I have no idea why his lawyers thought that interview was a good idea.
He's a very strange individual. If you go beyond his penchant for teenage girls then he's said to have run a cult where he controlled and manipulated the lives of several women.
|>>|| No. 424840
It's the Michael Jackson shit all over again. Why are people acting like this wasn't a known factor of R Kelly? You know the random lyrics that get stuck in your head? I've got one that goes "don't tell R Kelly where my little sister at", that's from Tyler the Creator's Bastard and that came out in 2010/11.
I suppose folks are more willing to ignore a musician's wrongdoings because it's usually a totally passive artform that plugs straight into your emo-globuals, but as I've brought up here before I used to love Crystal Castles, but now I have murder fantasies about Ethan Kath. I don't want it to be this way, but I didn't have much say in the matter.
I don't know, people are stupid and this thread should probably have been in /news/ or /beat/.
|>>|| No. 424848
I bet that's because you think all black men look the same. You think all black men look the same because you're a filthy racist.
|>>|| No. 424858
I sort of like CC but get the impression I'd not really get along with them IRL. Artsy types tend to annoy me. What made you hate Ethan Kath so much?
Also I've a feeling R Kelly's fans will just ignore or make excuses for this, as other posters have said the allegations aren't new. Unlike all those girls who got Lostprophets tattoos back in the day and who will have had to get them lasered off.
|>>|| No. 424860
You kind of wonder how Bill Wyman got away with shagging a 14-year-old in the 80s and never had to answer for it. He was a good 20 years older than Mandy Smith.
Not so you'd notice though. This picture is from their wedding when she was 18. She looked twice that, didn't she.
|>>|| No. 424862
>Not so you'd notice though. This picture is from their wedding when she was 18. She looked twice that, didn't she.
The lass that Adam Johnson diddled could easily have passed for a girl in her mid-twenties rather than in Year 10. However, he made the mistake of asking how old she was and then Googling the age of consent before grooming her.
|>>|| No. 424863
>Googling the age of consent before grooming her.
How is the age of consent not common knowledge. Also, if you are grooming somebody under the age of consent, then check age of consent laws and then go back to grooming them regardless, you will have taken away any residual defence you may have had regarding not knowing what the age of consent is.
But again, due to the simplicity of age of consent laws, at least in the UK, it's difficult to imagine how you can not know about it.
|>>|| No. 424866
Wasn't his defence that she had lied about her age? As I recall, she approached him rather than the other way round.
|>>|| No. 424868
Not knowing somebody's real age is not normally a permissible defence as such. Taken to extremes, it would mean that you would have to ask for somebody's birth certificate to ensure they are old enough, but courts tend to argue that the burden was on you to establish beyond reasonable doubt that somebody was old enough. By whatever means necessary.
|>>|| No. 424870
>The lass that Adam Johnson diddled could easily have passed for a girl in her mid-twenties rather than in Year 10.
Anyone with even a faint amount of experience with females knows this is never the case. Yes, make-up can age people, but its blindingy obvious from speaking to someone how old they are. Peados gonna paedo.
|>>|| No. 424872
Most cases don't revolve around somebody being 16 and looking mid-20s, but they are about 14-year-olds pretending to be 16 so that somebody much older isn't immediately deterred from engaging with them. Are you sure you can tell a 16-year-old from a 14-year-old with enough certainty and beyond their own claims of how old they really are?
And girls actually do this now and then. When I was in my early to mid-20s, I once met a lass in an online chat room who said she was 18, she then travelled by train to see me and only after a few drinks together she then told me she was 16 and not 18. She said she was worried that I would not be interested in her if I knew that she was only 16 and thus almost eight years younger than me. But I would have believed her just the same if she had said she was actually 18.
|>>|| No. 424873
>Not knowing somebody's real age is not normally a permissible defence as such.
AIUI you need to have taken reasonable steps. "Reasonable" as usual refers to what a "reasonable person" would be expected to do, and I'd say that asking someone their age and getting a believable answer is reasonable, and asking them for ID is not reasonable. After all, you're not in the business of supplying age-restricted goods, where the burden is much higher.
I think we need to remember that we're talking about a 26 year old here, not a 56 year old. If a 56 year old is fucking teenagers, legal or not that just isn't on.
|>>|| No. 424876
>If a 56 year old is fucking teenagers, legal or not that just isn't on.
Why do I feel this different if it's a 56 year old gilf seducing lads. Not complaining about the double standard or saying a 56 year old should be shagging teens, I'm just trying to work out why. Is it just because I'm a bloke so I see it in a different light?
|>>|| No. 424878
I'm a man too but I think women see it this way too. It's just part of the dynamic of our genders that when it comes to sex, men are always seen as more predatory, or more capable of being predatory at least, so when it comes to stuff like an old person sleeping with a 16 year old, a bloke is a definite pedo, while a woman is weird, but rarely is she implied to be a criminal for it.
I think the other thing at play is the assumption (accurate or not) that men, and boys, just want to get their dick wet no matter what, so even if a crime has been committed, it's sort of fine because the lad got his end away, and we assume he wanted it. The other side of that coin is the implication that women don't enjoy sex as much, so any old woman sleeping with a toy boy probably does it for innocent emotional reasons, and any young girl sleeping with an old man has been tricked into it.
|>>|| No. 424879
It's that whole thing about power, innit. And fisherpersons saying that it's almost always men who are in positions of power over a woman, or girl, in a relationship with an age gap.
But you can't help arguing that it can be just as harmful to a vulnerable teenlad to be seduced by a 35-year-old woman. And women honestly can be just as manipulative, if not more so, than men.
But yeah, it is difficult to justify a 56-year-old shagging teenagers. Even teenagers who are above the age of consent and can therefore technically shag whoever they like. Even wizened 56-year-olds.
There is an argument in developmental psychology that you progress through psychological sexual stages as you grow up, and that in order to complete those stages, you continuously need to have sex pretty much with your peers, i.e. people of roughly the same age group. When a person then retains a strong sexual preference for a particular young age group even as they get much older, it is then taken as an indication that they did not complete that developmental stage. So the fact that a guy in his mid-50s wants to shag teenagers could stem from not having had enough opportunity to have sex with teenagers when he was a teenager himself.
On the other hand, this does not address sexual opportunism, i.e. somebody who generally prefers sex with their peers but won't mind getting it on with a teenager, given the chance. And it also doesn't address the observation that adult men as they get older usually don't move past being most strongly attracted to women in their 20s to early 30s, even with a record of continuous sexual activity.
|>>|| No. 424880
> it can be just as harmful to a vulnerable teenlad to be seduced by a 35-year-old woman
It was a proper pissing match back in the day, being the first to wet your knob in the female depths.
Those who managed to do that with lasses older than themselves were almost revelled.
It was more like shagging a 17-19 year old whilst being 13-14 yourself. 35 on the other hand... off, indeed. Still would count, with all the bragging bonusses.
|>>|| No. 424881
There were a load of 16 (and even 15 I'm pretty sure) year old lasses at my school who were going out with 'lads with cars' in their mid twenties, and that was accepted for sure.
|>>|| No. 424882
When one of my friends was in school she wouldn't date boys her own age as she thought they were too immature; she'd invariably end up dating a chav somewhere around the age of 20. She's now married to a teacher she met online who's about ten years older than her.
|>>|| No. 424883
>It was a proper pissing match back in the day, being the first to wet your knob in the female depths.
>Those who managed to do that with lasses older than themselves were almost revelled.
As you implied, to a certain extent.
One of my mates at school was 14 when he started bragging about having been deflowered by a 20-year-old lass from his neighbourhood. He lived in a tower block on the bad side of town, so theoretically you were ready to accept that that was just what the unwashed masses got up to between having their beer and fags and watching TV all day on the dole. It was only a few years later when I happened to get to know said lass personally that the whole thing just fell apart and turned out to have been adolescent wishful thinking.
The other way round, there was a lad in year 12 at my school who was notorious for a whole string of underage girlfriends. Underage meaning, 14 or 15, and 13 in one unconfirmed case, which when you're 17 or 18 yourself isn't as bad, but we still called him a paedo. The funny thing was though, girls that age really did seem to have a keen interest in 17- or 18-year-old boys. On the other hand, that doesn't make it alright for you as the 18-year-old to shag a 13- or 14-year-old.
|>>|| No. 424884
Girls start maturing earlier. I keenly remember that myself - one case that I sperged out massively. I still cringe each time I re-call it.
|>>|| No. 424885
Same around here. I do remember one bloke telling me to 'wait a bit, then you'll have all this meat lined up, legs spread'.
|>>|| No. 424886
>I keenly remember that myself - one case that I sperged out massively. I still cringe each time I re-call it.
That sounds like a tale to be shared with us lot.
|>>|| No. 424887
> 'wait a bit, then you'll have all this meat lined up, legs spread'.
Well not necessarily. If you were a geeky socially awkward 14-year-old devoid of attention from girls your age, then you were likely to go on to be a geeky 20-year-old who couldn't get laid, possibly even an vegan, although the term mercifully didn't exist back then.
Your only chance was to straighten your act out and become a blokey bloke by age 20. And you saw that happen now and then. A car definitely helped, but I had a car from my 18th birthday and being the socially awkward geek that I was, it did absolutely zip for me in terms of getting girls to have sex with me.
But yeah, the fittest lasses at my school when they were 17 or 18 almost invariably had blokes who were in their early to mid 20s. Also, having even a bare minimum of your own money from gainful employment appeared to help loads, because it gave you the edge over a penniless pupil if you had a steady job and were able to buy your girlfriend nice thing such as perfume or earrings without having to ask your parents.
|>>|| No. 424889
Just a girl asking if I had a girlfriend.
Being the immature little piece of shite at the time, I said no and asked her back why would I need one. She didn't reply.
Looking back at it, I almost admire the lucidity of the answer and the lack of such to my question, as well as my apparent disinterest in romantic relationships later on, caving in to 'booze, cigs and bikes/cars' kind of fun instead.
The cringe value is the stark contrast between her development stage and mine. That one became visible to me only after I started maturing myself.
Not really surprising given the kind of low-life I was back then.
Not going to argue, you are mostly right mate.
|>>|| No. 424891
>If you were a geeky socially awkward 14-year-old devoid of attention from girls your age, then you were likely to go on to be a geeky 20-year-old who couldn't get laid
I've only really known two lads who used to target girls of a questionable age when they were in their twenties; they were both socially awkward types. I guess some of the kind of things that were seen as pathetic by lasses their own age doesn't bother young and impressionable teenagers who don't know any better.
|>>|| No. 424892
I do wish people would stop using that word. The only people who are really involuntarily celibate are religious ministers, sex offenders and the Chinese.
|>>|| No. 424893
Most people are aware of that. Only vegans themselves are implying anything else, everyone else is making fun of the very idea.
|>>|| No. 424895
>I've only really known two lads who used to target girls of a questionable age when they were in their twenties;
It's a grey area. A 23 year old dating an 18 year old is a big age gap at that age any way you look at it. But there are always mature 18 year olds that are on a similar level as a lad in his early to mid 20s. And in that case, it's not hugely questionable IMO.
I also don't think you should call it "targeting". It unfairly assumes that a lad that age will only have sinister motives. I had an 18 year old girlfriend at 23, and I didn't "target" her but we simply fell in love when we met. And our age difference, while substantial, never seemed to either of us like we were doing something wrong. Or to anybody else, for that matter.
|>>|| No. 424896
I'm on about lads in their twenties who would regularly hang around with girls aged 16 and possibly younger. Lads who watch anime. Lads who think it's acceptable to type things like O_o to express emotion amongst many other cringy pathetic things.
No need to get so defensive, you bloody child groomer.
|>>|| No. 424897
Involuntary celibates are a fucking joke because fundamentally they refuse to assume responsibility for their own actions. There are over seven billion people on the planet, all the result of two people shagging, and you are telling me you can't get laid even once?
The real problem of involuntary celibates is that the vast majority are self absorbed, narcissistic cry babies, many of whom were handed simply everything by their parents growing up, and who now find themselves thrown into adulthood where suddenly nothing is handed to them anymore and they have to fend all for themselves.
By some definition though, you could argue that getting yourself laid and getting a girlfriend is hard work, in that you have to have your shit together (unless you are one of those dole fiends who shag like rabbits because there just is nothing else to do all day), you have to have plans for your life, you need to be halfway educated and able to hold down a job and ideally have an attractive personality, whatever meaning you choose to fill that term with.
To an overgrown manchild like many involuntary celibates are, that is of course gut wrenching hard work, which they both refuse to do and probably aren't equipped to do due to their upbringing. So they like to see it as a secret code that they simply cannot fathom, but which some guys unfairly posess and thus are able to get all the girls which involuntary celibates feel they themselves would be morally entitled to.
Almost nothing about involuntary celibacy is actually involuntary. You decide all for yourself just how unfucked you are going to remain in life.
|>>|| No. 424898
> A 23 year old dating an 18 year old is a big age gap
Big age gap? 5 fucking years? You're pulling my leg.
|>>|| No. 424903
It may not be irreconcilably huge, but it is definitely something that you notice with a lot of little things. In a way that you probably won't when a 33 year old dates a 28 year old. The older you get, the less significant a five--year age gap will become, but as I said, from my own experience, five years can be substantial at age 18 and 23.
|>>|| No. 424904
>Almost nothing about involuntary celibacy is actually involuntary. You decide all for yourself just how unfucked you are going to remain in life.
Again, nobody other than the people identifying themselves as involuntarily celibate actually thinks otherwise.
|>>|| No. 424905
I haven't gotten laid in years, but I'm happy with that. I haven't exactly been out on the pull, and it's not something I've actively been seeking. I'm reasonably happy with the single life, and I don't particularly feel the need to go fuck anything that moves. I don't feel like I'm any less of a man because of it, and it puzzles me that other people seem to find it a problem.
|>>|| No. 424906
It depends what you mean by involuntary. If you're trapped in a cage that requires a code you don't know, are you there voluntarily? A lot of vegans seem incapable of figuring out how to function normally, even when told how to some part of them refuses to accept it for one reason or another. A lot of them have tried very hard to get out of the cage using what they do know, and have failed.
Yes they're generally hateful people but saying "It's voluntary" and assigning them all full responsibility for agency in their lot is questionable. They don't know how to decide not to be unfucked for their whole lives.
|>>|| No. 424907
>If you're trapped in a cage that requires a code you don't know, are you there voluntarily?
That would make sense if you were entitled to not be trapped in a cage.
|>>|| No. 424908
"Entitled" is a loaded term but presumably nobody deserves to be trapped in a cage against their will their whole lives whilst everyone else is free. It's certainly not entirely fair to just blame them for it.
Spoiled children are the parent's fault, aren't they?
|>>|| No. 424909
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> A lot of vegans seem incapable of figuring out how to function normally, even when told how to some part of them refuses to accept it for one reason or another
It can be done though. But what it requires is that you need to examine your whole way of thinking and functioning. Your focus must not be on what the cruel world out there has done to you by labelling you unfuckable, but how you can overcome that and be an attractive person in spite of the odds, at least attractive enough that somebody other than a prozzie will have sex with you. And even if you are unlucky enough to be profoundly inept at social interaction, perhaps because you've got kind of an Aspie thing going on to boot, even that can be overcome within your personal capabilities. If you take TV programmes like The Undateables to be realistic, that means even if you have as much as a full on learning disability, there is hope for you.
I can understand when people think their social awkwardness is a hindrance for them in trying to meet a sexual and/or romantic partner. And oftentimes it is. But what you then do with that realisation is what is so key. Do you see it as an obstacle that must be overcome and that you are willing to overcome and give it your all, or do you stylise and exaggerate that obstacle to be an unfair hand that was dealt to you by fate and that you have no way of changing.
What also really, really, really isn't healthy is to then immerse yourself in the online vegan filter bubble where you will not only meet people like yourself who blame everybody else but themselves for their misfortune, but it also opens the door to vast volumes of pseudo theory and pseudo terminology about the world and the state of being an vegan within it.
|>>|| No. 424910
Are we really doing the whole vegan debate again? It's been done to death, particularly in the thread about the alt-right on /news/. It seems like we're stuck in a loop of topics, retreading the same ground.
|>>|| No. 424911
>but presumably nobody deserves to be trapped in a cage against their will their whole lives whilst everyone else is free
Precisely, which is where the analogy falls down.
|>>|| No. 424914
I feel like a lot of them don't really try because they prematurely imagine they won't succeed. The kind of people who were rejected once in secondary school and never tried again. They also seem to severely overestimate how much normal people care about virginity or how often the subject comes up through cultural osmosis from films, tv, jokes, etc. (Similarly and with some crossover to how nerds have a chip on their shoulder about being oppressed.)
But then I am assuming my excessive time spent on imageboards offsets the limited insight i can have into the vegan condition given I'm (proper) autistic enough that having sex seems actively undesirable.
|>>|| No. 424915
>I feel like a lot of them don't really try because they prematurely imagine they won't succeed. The kind of people who were rejected once in secondary school and never tried again.
Absolutely. Are you aware of the Elephant and the Rope story?
|>>|| No. 424916
>I feel like a lot of them don't really try because they prematurely imagine they won't succeed. The kind of people who were rejected once in secondary school and never tried again.
As I said earlier, I think it often has to do with entitlement and the fact that everything was handed to a lot of them growing up. A lot of them had parents who always stepped in when problems arose, and maybe those parents even smothered their kids to the point that those kids then never had a chance to build their own character, and so now they find themselves in the field of romance and sex where no parent in the world, beyond heartfelt advice, can possibly make you get laid. And if up to that point you never had to build up frustration tolerance and accept that failure is an inherent and natural part of your way to success, then this deficit in personal development comes to bear.
And I think there is a great misconception when it comes to socially successful lads and their luck with women. Every ladies' man who has ever been has had to deal with failure, rejection and resistance at some point. The secret is that that didn't make them stop entirely, but that they took it as a chance to reexamine themselves and figure out how to
be smooth have more luck the next time.
But yeah, the vegan debates on .gs are getting a tad tiresome. Ideally, we should not be having more of them in the future because they inevitably always just go around in circles.
|>>|| No. 424917
>But yeah, the vegan debates on .gs are getting a tad tiresome. Ideally, we should not be having more of them in the future because they inevitably always just go around in circles.
Aren't we coming up to the time of year where companies release their gender pay gap?
|>>|| No. 424922
That's good to know, this being the day after International "When Is It International Men's Day?" Day.
|>>|| No. 424927
> this being the day after International "When Is It International Men's Day?" Day.
Careful. We don't want reddit sprining leaks again.
|>>|| No. 424955
It's pretty obvious people like >>424897 have a chip on their shoulder about something. The term originally came from an 80s academic description of the issues people who can't seem to have sex face but feel the feature is an important part of life - issues like a loss of self-confidence and frustration people suffer when they have physical and mental problems. I think that some lad in his early 20s having a bit of a teary on the internet because he has trouble with girls is not only a fair use of the term but also an issue only someone in the 10s could possibly give a shit about.
To be honest all this contemporary shit about pills is just an offshoot of PUA stuff that has been going on since time immemorial. Human relationships are fucked in general and the cultural status attached to a man of conquest will inevitably cause problems. Don't hate the player, hate the game.
It inevitably comes up whenever men's issues are brought up. Although, when you look at it that way, I think this thread may have unintentionally concluded that awkward lads should go out and shag someone underage.
|>>|| No. 424957
>It inevitably comes up whenever men's issues are brought up
I read a few interesting articles the other day on gender equality. It's been found that in Nordic countries where there is much greater emphasis on equality of opportunity men and women are noticeably more likely to opt for traditionally gendered jobs. In particular, women are far less likely to study STEM subjects at university or run their own businesses; it's been speculated that this is because of their generous social security system meaning there is less of a need to get a high paying job than in poorer/less equal nations and women being more likely to be happier letting their career take a backseat to raising a family.
|>>|| No. 424959
Most vegans don't want to face facts - they're nearly always monumentally unattractive people, who don't have the self-awareness or motivation to make changes to themselves. They're nearly always uninterested in others in a genuine way and hide behind intellectual narcissism.
I do agree though that this has been going on since time immemorial though - like many things, it's always been there, its just the interweb gives people ways to express it and find each other.
|>>|| No. 424960
(Also, as the original dietary vegan-in-the-village, this latest word filter upsets me a lot).
|>>|| No. 424962
Some lads wanted to give their opinion on încels. You know, in case they missed their chance in the other 5,000 threads we've had discussing them
|>>|| No. 424968
I think this is something that is often missed in debates on equal opportunity, boardroom parity, and women in STEM. Women should have all these opportunities, but you are approaching it from the wrong direction if your end goal is to get as many woman engineers as possible and have as many women as possible in boardrooms. There are a lot of women who simply care more about family and domestic life than they do about achieving an 80-hour-a-week executive career.
I'm economicslad, I studied economics and the vast majority of fellow students had very definite career goals and aspirations about what they were going to do with their degree. But you also had those who simply wanted a solid education, but said that they would happily stay home and raise their kids when that day would come.
It kind of reminds me of a seminar we did on "junior entrepreneurs in STEM", where the topic of debate was how more STEM graduates could be encouraged to start their own business/company after uni. Some lads were giving a presentation to the class, and I threw them completely off their game when I asked if more STEM entrepreneurs were really needed, and if maybe a lot of people simply did not want to start their own business, and if there would be any point in dragging them into entrepreneurship by their ears.
|>>|| No. 424969
It's almost as if all those decades of gendered socialisation has a deeply-ingrained effect on society.
|>>|| No. 424971
This would be the Nordic countries which have historically been more egalitarian than other nations, with the Vikings notable for it, having fewer women going into STEM than nations with a far more ingrained patriarchal society.
Your snark doesn't also explain why the proportion of men and women going into traditionally gendered careers has gone up in Nordic countries since they've made even greater efforts for equal opportunities.
|>>|| No. 424974
Iran has a higher proportion of female engineers than any other country. I don't know what the answer is, but none of the common explanations for why there are so few women in engineering are compatible with the facts.
|>>|| No. 424975
>Your snark doesn't also explain why the proportion of men and women going into traditionally gendered careers has gone up in Nordic countries since they've made even greater efforts for equal opportunities.
It does, but you're just choosing to ignore that.
|>>|| No. 424980
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This isn't one of your better wordfilters, modlads.
We actually discuss veganism quite a bit here. Getting it mixed up with ïncels will only lead to confusion, and not of the funny kind. You should've made it 'fanny-magnet' or summat else ironic.
|>>|| No. 424982
>they're nearly always monumentally unattractive people, who don't have the self-awareness or motivation to make changes to themselves. They're nearly always uninterested in others in a genuine way and hide behind intellectual narcissism.
Yeah, but I'm like that and I didn't even order the falafel! I think the issue is more that they suffer from a multitude of interrelated issues that make it hard or even impossible to escape from the hole they've found themselves in. We are talking about boys who have become detached from society after all, your dehumanising stereotypes are hardly helpful while the suicide rate grows in people who are little more than kids and have to deal with the nightmare of young girls.
This is why I don't mind Peterson because for all the criticism thrown at him he does seem like someone trying to help lads who have gotten lost.
|>>|| No. 424983
>I didn't even order the falafel!
These word filters have well and truly gotten out of hand.
|>>|| No. 424988
I get the feeling that all men are fanny magnets, but some of them have their polarity the wrong way round.
|>>|| No. 424996
I have always found it kind of perplexing how these lads are somehow an acceptable target for mockery and criticism, when all manner of other unpleasant people (Are Shamima for example) are protected by their victim status.
I suppose it's because they are largely white and male, but god forbid we open the can of worms on why that's a problem, or indeed that it is even a problem. It's a nasty old world we live in.
|>>|| No. 424997
Don't worry, I'm sure they'll be another outpouring of care whenever a youtuber visits a suicide forest again.
|>>|| No. 424998
>I have always found it kind of perplexing how these lads are somehow an acceptable target for mockery and criticism, when all manner of other unpleasant people (Are Shamima for example) are protected by their victim status.
They've decided that they're entitled to sex and that it's the rest of the world's fault for denying it to them. They're not victims, they're fair game.
|>>|| No. 425000
How many chronic masturbators find themselves pregnant and stuck in a refugee camp again? And most of posters here, and the less important people in the real world, seem to agree she ought to face if not outright prosecution, the close and beady eye of the security services for a very long while.
Oh, and you're often, just about, closeted racists who shoehorn ethnicity into everything and anything.
|>>|| No. 425002
When that rifle range in Birkenhead used Begum-shaped targets for a laugh, the outrage brigade were out in force. There really isn't anyone willing to stick up for neckbeard virgins. The NUS aren't going to start a campaign on their behalf, no wing of Momentum is going to rally in support of unfuckable weirdos. They're only slightly above carpet-baggers in the pecking order.
|>>|| No. 425003
>decided that they're entitled to sex
I'm glad that I'm not the only one that views them in that way - it's the intellectual narcissism (BUT I'M SO CLEVER AND NICE UNLIKE CHAD) that I find weird.
|>>|| No. 425004
Literally anyone defining themselves as 'involuntarily celibate' is someone who believes they're entitled to sex, otherwise they wouldn't use those words, or want anything to do with that group of people.
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