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>> No. 429121 Anonymous
24th July 2019
Wednesday 1:36 am
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New mid-week thread.


Sitting on my balcony, enjoying the balmy nighttime temperatures, having a few Stellas. Celebrating the fact that I get to do this at 01:30 am on a Wednesday morning at the moment.

Ah, temporary unemployment.

Before you lads lose your shit get all finger pointy at me, my next tenure as an office slave is already as good as secure and will begin in a few weeks' time.
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>> No. 429126 Anonymous
24th July 2019
Wednesday 10:49 am
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Are we going to have a new one of these threads every couple of weeks, now?
>> No. 429127 Anonymous
24th July 2019
Wednesday 11:04 am
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>>429126

The last one was started in March, and after 1000 posts, I figured it was time for a new one.
>> No. 429128 Anonymous
24th July 2019
Wednesday 11:13 am
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>>429121
> Sitting on my balcony, enjoying the balmy nighttime temperatures, having a few Stellas. Celebrating the fact that I get to do this at 01:30 am on a Wednesday morning at the moment.
Are you me?
I do this even when I'm employed - shift work provides enough leeway for that.
It's very serene.
>>429127
Quite, my browser (or more precisely, my ancient piece of silicon shite) doesn't handle 1000 posts threads too well.
>> No. 429129 Anonymous
24th July 2019
Wednesday 12:20 pm
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I just had some crème fraîche with oats, berries and pomegranate seeds and I think it was the nicest thing I've ever eaten. It didn't even look like a gory special effect, which porridge usually does if you add anything red and juicy to it.
>> No. 429130 Anonymous
24th July 2019
Wednesday 12:28 pm
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>>429128

>I do this even when I'm employed - shift work provides enough leeway for that.


Most regular office work will not allow for that though. At my last job which ended at the beginning of this month, I was expected to show up neat and sober by 8:15 at the latest. So getting off your tits the night before until two o'clock was not something you would have done lightly.
>> No. 429131 Anonymous
24th July 2019
Wednesday 1:08 pm
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>>429130
I know. That's why I don't sign for 9-5.
Having about half a month off on average I can't fathom going that route even for higher pay.
It'll be a major ballache once I get sacked. But then, I usually try to keep the emergency fund filled so I'd have enough time to find myself a position with a similar schedule.
>> No. 429138 Anonymous
24th July 2019
Wednesday 5:16 pm
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>>429131

I did shift work a bit during uni. Certainly not my cup of tea. I like the stability of going to work at the same time every day. Even if you're often bored out of your mind figuring out how to kill the last two or three hours of your workday.
>> No. 429139 Anonymous
24th July 2019
Wednesday 7:02 pm
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I'd like to compliment last night's lighting storm. A genuinely beautiful event made even better by the way it cut the electricity in the surrounding area, darkening absolutely everything. Very nice.
>> No. 429140 Anonymous
24th July 2019
Wednesday 8:00 pm
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Tonight I absolutely need to fill out an application for another job. It's one of those long bastard ones as well where I've got to come up with new lies.

On the plus-side, the sunshine was actually quite nice this afternoon. You'know when the suns rays just feel lovely on your skin instead of having do a death-march on the way home like yesterday.
>> No. 429162 Anonymous
25th July 2019
Thursday 2:28 pm
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I bought one of those Frixion erasable rollerball pens and it feels like I'm writing in the future. The ink is better than the stuff in my regular ballpoints because it doesn't produce those occasional blobs that smear across the page and it's smoother to write with, plus the ink erases about as easily as when you write with a pencil. As an added bonus the 0.5mm nib has made my squiggly handwriting quite a bit more legible compared to when I write with 0.7mm or 1mm nibs.

Regards, Pilot Pens marketing department.
>> No. 429163 Anonymous
25th July 2019
Thursday 3:03 pm
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Can't be arsed working in this heat. I just wanna sit in the park with a four pack of cider and a book, some podcasts and maybe some female company.

Not fucking programming and spreadsheets.
>> No. 429167 Anonymous
25th July 2019
Thursday 6:04 pm
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One more day and I have two weeks off.

It'll be like being on bennies again.
>> No. 429171 Anonymous
25th July 2019
Thursday 11:01 pm
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I thought I had a second box of cornflakes, but it turns out the one I've just finished was the second box.
>> No. 429172 Anonymous
25th July 2019
Thursday 11:51 pm
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Made some peach and chili pepper jam tonight to celebrate the abundance of ripe peach which can be had cheaply at the moment. Just a wild idea I had putting chili in it, but it goes surprisingly well together. Bit like that Asian sweet chili sauce.
>> No. 429178 Anonymous
26th July 2019
Friday 9:44 am
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>>429138
Mine includes going to work pretty at the same time. It's the weekly day-by-day schedule that varies.
>>429162
I can't write with anything more than 0.5 mm. It just becomes illegible.
>> No. 429182 Anonymous
26th July 2019
Friday 3:17 pm
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Fuck, I wish Maplin was still a thing. Or, at least, local electronics shops. All I need is a couple of 1K resistors and some heat shrink, but now I have to order them, and wait. Thanks Jeff.
>> No. 429183 Anonymous
26th July 2019
Friday 4:33 pm
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>>429182

Just stock up m8. Banggood will sell you a massive box of every possible value of resistor for less than a tenner. For about £100, you can have the Maplin components counter in your house.
>> No. 429185 Anonymous
26th July 2019
Friday 5:05 pm
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>>429182
I think RS will happily ship anything next-day for free. They might get annoyed if you order a single resistor every other day for a year, but otherwise there doesn't appear to be a catch to it.
>> No. 429186 Anonymous
26th July 2019
Friday 5:25 pm
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>>429185

For cheaper items the pricing is largely Maplinesque, i.e. they'll sell you a pack of 10 through-hole resistors for £1. RS is brilliant for more unusual components that you might only ever need one or two of, but I stand by my suggestion to bulk-buy all the basics from China.
>> No. 429187 Anonymous
26th July 2019
Friday 5:41 pm
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>>429186
>>429185
I understand that, but I don't really do enough electronics work to make having a full stock of components make sense. Plus, overnight is still a wait. I'm free today, which is why I wanted to get on with the work. Ah well, it is what it is.
>> No. 429188 Anonymous
26th July 2019
Friday 6:24 pm
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Can't function.
>> No. 429198 Anonymous
27th July 2019
Saturday 12:18 am
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>>429183

>For about £100, you can have the Maplin components counter in your house.

So you'll have a maximum of 2 of anything because the stock system uses an automatic min-max re-ordering level so you never sell enough to raise it and eventually go out of business because you alienate your core demogrpahic?
>> No. 429201 Anonymous
27th July 2019
Saturday 6:18 am
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>>429198
>core demographic

Mobile Disco enthusiasts?
>> No. 429295 Anonymous
30th July 2019
Tuesday 10:48 am
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Slighty anxious about the August.
Almost all experienced people at work will be on holiday during August. Besides the increased workload means I'm going to be the most senior wageslave there for a while.
Also 2/3 of summer are gone. Even with my rather lax schedule I feel like life just goes by.
>> No. 429297 Anonymous
30th July 2019
Tuesday 11:22 am
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>>429295

>Also 2/3 of summer are gone

So what. That still leaves us with one month, plus the occasional warm day in September.
>> No. 429302 Anonymous
30th July 2019
Tuesday 1:00 pm
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>>429295
>Also 2/3 of summer are gone.
Summer begins on the solstice. We're about a week shy of halfway.
>> No. 429313 Anonymous
30th July 2019
Tuesday 2:37 pm
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>>429302

Meteorologically though, the three summer months in the Northern Hemisphere are defined as June, July, and August.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Summer#Summer_timing
>> No. 429314 Anonymous
30th July 2019
Tuesday 2:45 pm
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>>429297
Just one month.
And it'll pass by fast. Unless something shite happens of course, then it'll surely take its sweet time.
>> No. 429315 Anonymous
30th July 2019
Tuesday 2:52 pm
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>>429314

Even for .gs, that's a bit too much pessimism. Have a word.
>> No. 429316 Anonymous
30th July 2019
Tuesday 4:42 pm
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I'm pretty sure I'm allergic to fish. Whenever I've eaten fish in the last few years I've found it seriously hard to breathe and it's been a really bad time.

I just ordered fish and chips.
>> No. 429317 Anonymous
30th July 2019
Tuesday 5:04 pm
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>>429316
You're not supposed to eat the bones, silly!

Anyway a month after an 'assessment day' for a role at a very good company I got a callback today saying they loved me and thought I'd be perfect, now I have a telephone interview tomorrow. I'm really happy about this, the radio silence had gotten me down a bit.
>> No. 429318 Anonymous
30th July 2019
Tuesday 5:21 pm
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>>429316

That's a real possibility. I've got a friend who is allergic to fish. He gets classic allergic symptoms from tiny bits of fish, which can even make it difficult for him to get chips from a chippie if they fry the chips and the fish in the same oil.

Curiously, I think he can tolerate small amounts of salmon, but not a whole salmon strip.

There is no real treatment for it, and similar to things like a peanut allergy, you're usually pretty much stuck with it for life.
>> No. 429327 Anonymous
31st July 2019
Wednesday 2:07 pm
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I almost fell victim to the missed call scam on my mobile just now.

Some obscure telephone number that looked vaguely American, but upon looking it up apparently turned out to be Jamaican, and is a known missed call scam number. They will let your phone ring once, just barely, and then your phone will show a missed call. If you then call them back, apparently they will charge you up to £5 for that call.

Just in case this happens to you lot, the number was +1 876-572-7058. I guess any number starting with 876 should be treated with caution at the moment unless you really have a friend in Jamaica.

They really almost had me, because I have a dear friend in the U.S. whose area code also begins with an 8. Would have been a bit early in the morning U.S. time for him to call me, but I guess that's why the scam works, people will think that their friend or business partner from the U.S. is trying to reach them on a different number.
>> No. 429328 Anonymous
31st July 2019
Wednesday 2:29 pm
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>>429327

I'd never though about the possibility of something like this, it's so simple really. I'd like to think my phone network would warn me I was about to ring a premium rate number, but I suppose they don't.

I typically google any missed call number, but I could also see myself assuming it was a call from a partner in the US and ringing back without thinking.
>> No. 429329 Anonymous
31st July 2019
Wednesday 2:41 pm
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Seems pretty silly to leave premium rate numbers enabled when networks make it so easy to disable them.
>> No. 429330 Anonymous
31st July 2019
Wednesday 2:48 pm
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>>429329
Will a UK network have international scammers premium rate numbers listed? Chances are they change weekly, so I doubt it. Also, 876 is the generic NANP area code for Jamaica, so it's not even like it's a 090x or 9xx number which will obviously be premium rate.
>> No. 429331 Anonymous
31st July 2019
Wednesday 2:54 pm
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>>429330
Not sure they'd need to be compiled into a list because there has to be a standardised mechanism where they request the premium rate charges get transferred to the service operator. Though I wouldn't bet my house on whether it works in real time or after the fact.
>> No. 429332 Anonymous
31st July 2019
Wednesday 7:04 pm
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>>429315
There's never too much pessimism.
>> No. 429333 Anonymous
31st July 2019
Wednesday 9:02 pm
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>>429332

I worry that you're right.
>> No. 429334 Anonymous
31st July 2019
Wednesday 9:43 pm
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>>429327
Sorry if I'm being dim but how does this number work? +1 is international code for the US, so if it's coming from Jamaica i.e. +876, why is there a +1?
>> No. 429335 Anonymous
31st July 2019
Wednesday 10:08 pm
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>>429334

The US and Canada have +1 for historical reasons. Most of the Caribbean is part of zone 1 and shares a +1 prefix.
>> No. 429337 Anonymous
31st July 2019
Wednesday 11:40 pm
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I've just finished watching Chernobyl. It was decent enough, but I don't get why it's being praised as one of the greatest TV series ever.
>> No. 429338 Anonymous
1st August 2019
Thursday 12:16 am
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>>429337

I think certain shows get shilled a lot on the internet. Maybe I'm just being paranoid but it really doesn't take much to create perceived 'buzz' these days.
>> No. 429339 Anonymous
1st August 2019
Thursday 11:17 am
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>>429337

Report to the infirmary
>> No. 429340 Anonymous
1st August 2019
Thursday 2:12 pm
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I don't know about Chernobyl CHEEKI BREEKI IV DAMKA, and I may well be three and a half years behind the rest of you, but I just watched Hateful 8 and I think it might have already solidified itself place as my favourite Tarantino film. I liked how he shot it in this old style, ultrawide format, but then after half a dozen quick establishing shots, the rest of the film is in a big, dark, shed, it's like a very elaborate joke.
>> No. 429341 Anonymous
1st August 2019
Thursday 5:30 pm
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>>429340

Even then there were some very nice dramatic shots where nearly every character and the whole set were in one take. Part of me hates to say it because he's what I would almost class as overrated, by now; but truly the guy is a master at his craft.

I watched the RLM review of his new one this morning while I was getting ready for work. It sounds like a very interesting meta-film about the film industry itself. I might take the other half to see it, I've never seen a Tarantino film at the pictures and I feel like that's doing them a disservice.

He clearly intends for them to be seen that way, not just on your little flat screen at home- Like the difference between playing your megadrive on the box TV in your mum and dad's living room, and an emulator on your laptop. It's just not quite the same.
>> No. 429342 Anonymous
1st August 2019
Thursday 5:50 pm
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It turns out that "I want to lick your tit sweat" isn't sexy. Who knew?
>> No. 429343 Anonymous
1st August 2019
Thursday 7:09 pm
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>>429342

It's all about the proper wording with the lasses. Say something like, "I want to taste every drop of you off your bosom".
>> No. 429344 Anonymous
1st August 2019
Thursday 9:44 pm
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>>429343

>Say something like, "I want to taste every drop of you off your bosom".

I don't know what that means. Do I still get to lick tit sweat?
>> No. 429345 Anonymous
2nd August 2019
Friday 12:13 am
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>>429343

That sounds like you want to drink tit milk.
>> No. 429346 Anonymous
2nd August 2019
Friday 12:46 am
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>>429345

I thought about that too. But you have to put it so that the way you refer to her bodily functions doesn't put her off, which is really easy to get wrong. If you say you want to lick her tit sweat, she is going to take that to mean that she's got sweat under her tits. Which isn't an attractive look in the minds of women.

I once told my girlfriend that her boobs were just the perfect size because they fit right in my hands. But she inferred from that that I was giving her to understand that her boobs were small. In all fairness, my hands aren't big. They're not small, but they're decidedly also not builder-size big.

It's always a mine field with women. Another time, I was in bed with a lass, and going down on her, I said "Nothing beats the taste of freshly showered minge". She couldn't have showered more than three hours before we ended up in bed, and her whole area really smelled and tasted great. But she was kind of offended and said, "Well I'm sorry I didn't jump in the shower before we got it on". She completely misread the half joking compliment I was giving her.


I'm sure gay guys don't have that problem. There's probably no way a line like "I want to drink your dick dry to the last drop" will be misunderstood or a turn off for your gay sexual partner.
>> No. 429347 Anonymous
2nd August 2019
Friday 1:13 pm
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Extra mature cheddar is fucking bollocks. It doesn't melt properly, it's overpowering in a sandwich and the lactate crystals make it really gritty. What's the fucking point of it?
>> No. 429348 Anonymous
2nd August 2019
Friday 1:33 pm
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>>429347
Taste
>> No. 429349 Anonymous
2nd August 2019
Friday 2:15 pm
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>>429347

From tit milk straight on to extra mature cheddar.

Never change, .gs.
>> No. 429350 Anonymous
2nd August 2019
Friday 2:17 pm
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>>429349

Do you reckon tit milk cheese would be any good?
>> No. 429351 Anonymous
2nd August 2019
Friday 2:45 pm
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>>429350

It would probably be fine, but the production of it would be difficult.

A main component of cheesemaking is rennet, which is derived from the stomach of an animal - the interesting thing is that you have to use a stomach from the same species as you're getting your milk, and getting human stomach linings would likely be an issue.

You can, of course, use synthetic or other alternatives to rennet, but you'd have to engineer one specific to human milk all the same.

I suppose there's nothing stopping you making a ricotta out of tit milk, or a cream cheese.
>> No. 429352 Anonymous
2nd August 2019
Friday 3:40 pm
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>>429351

Most rennet today is synthetic, as the global demand for cow's milk cheese could never be met from calf stomachs alone, because you do have to kill the calf to get to the rennet. And it is only calves that produce rennet, adult cattle don't produce it because its purpose is to help digest milk as the calves grow.

Bit similar to humans, really. The default genetic makeup of our species was probably that humans weren't able to digest mother's milk, or any mammal's milk after childhood. And then as we settled down and raised livestock, humans who were able to digest cow's milk were at an advantage in times when other food was scarce, so that genetic mutation was retained, in most Europeans anyway.
>> No. 429353 Anonymous
2nd August 2019
Friday 5:29 pm
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>>429351
Would Rennie work?
>> No. 429361 Anonymous
5th August 2019
Monday 1:18 am
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I think I'm going to take a wee break from the news. I'm getting a bit tired of having to be aware of things like people inadvertently adopting post-Soviet misinformation tactics, having to watch another load of journos get confused by imageboards or just suffer a sense of unease as the nation's media wait with baited breath as a leaky, old, dam threatens to destroy a town. I've been doing a more internet centric version of a trap I fell into with watching far, far too much rolling TV news a few years ago, whereby I consiously think I'm engaging in a slightly detatched, academic manner, but in reality I'm up to my chin in torrid tides of so much information I'm barely able to retain anything of note beyond a general sense of distress and anxiety.
>> No. 429362 Anonymous
5th August 2019
Monday 9:14 am
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>>429361

Someone else mentioned it recently but mean world syndrome is a thing. The Internet is definitely making it more common. Taking an occasional break from news and social media is pretty sensible.
>> No. 429363 Anonymous
5th August 2019
Monday 9:16 am
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Someone at work has organised a Macmillan Coffee Morning but for the Alzheimer's Society. I can't even.
>> No. 429402 Anonymous
7th August 2019
Wednesday 1:15 pm
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>>429333
Being giddy-happy all the time isn't healthy either.
>> No. 429427 Anonymous
8th August 2019
Thursday 10:09 am
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I don't know if you all remember that girl who worked in a charity shop that found a handbag full of cash but she posts semi-nudes on her instagram now.
>> No. 429428 Anonymous
8th August 2019
Thursday 10:30 am
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>>429427
I require photographic evidence of this.
>> No. 429429 Anonymous
8th August 2019
Thursday 2:18 pm
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I've just found out that somebody from my school has been in prison since last year for financial fraud. Apparently, he was the owner of a company and he took in silent partners and showed them doctored numbers regarding the profitability of his business. And when they were in and grew wise to the fraud, their money was already gone, both to maintain his lavish lifestyle and to pay off a mountain of company and personal debt. I'm not sure I understood right, but there's talk of hundreds of thousands that he made disappear like that. I'm not sure how exactly you could have hidden something like that from your business partners, but apparently there are ways.

There are ways, Dude, you don't want to know
>> No. 429430 Anonymous
8th August 2019
Thursday 6:42 pm
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>>429429
Somewhere along my father's in-laws is a fine young chap known to the family as The Bastard. He's apparently a master of manipulation, and managed to persuade a number of family members into business ventures financed by debt, only (surprise, surprise) he pocketed the cash and left them jointly and severally liable for a fuckload of money. He's currently coming to the end of a stretch for trying the same thing on with a number of investment banks. Thankfully, in going on to fry the bigger fish, he subtly changed both first name and surname, so the family name isn't too badly sullied.
>> No. 429481 Anonymous
11th August 2019
Sunday 3:36 pm
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>>429430

That's why you should never enter a common-law business partnership with somebody. With a mind to it, they can always fuck off to the end of the world where their creditors can't find them, and leave you responsible to pay off any and all debt that's in the partnership's name.

My own uncle tried to lure my mum into a partnership, he had a salesman business for designer eyeglasses and the truth was that it was in the process of going tits up, he just wanted to have somebody to pin all his debt on while he was going to do a disappearing act. When my mum declined, very soon he upped sticks and went to live under a rock somewhere in rural France. There still are rumours that he owed back taxes from when his business was actually successful, and this was in the early 90s, when government authorities weren't as interlinked within Europe as they are now. If laying low and staying put in a French village seemed acceptable to you, you could dodge HMRC and they were none the wiser.
>> No. 429502 Anonymous
12th August 2019
Monday 1:20 pm
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Found the super fancy and expensive* drafting pencil I thought I'd lost or given away. Realised I can actually draw, normal pencils just suck. I know "a poor workman blames his tools" but the difference is significant. It may have something to do with me always having used mechanical pencils to draw and not having any real experience with normal ones.


*Probably cost me all of £12 when I bought it.
>> No. 429503 Anonymous
12th August 2019
Monday 1:40 pm
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>>429502
I prefer mechanical pencils myself too. Less faffing around.
I can't draw anyway though.
>> No. 429504 Anonymous
12th August 2019
Monday 4:06 pm
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>>429502

>Realised I can actually draw, normal pencils just suck. I know "a poor workman blames his tools" but the difference is significant.


My art teacher in school sometimes said something like, "Cavemen painted pictures with nothing more than charcoal, dust and spit that the world still talks about 20,000 years later".

He was also the drama teacher, so he kind of had a way with words like that.
>> No. 429505 Anonymous
12th August 2019
Monday 5:37 pm
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>>429504
Yeah but they practised with them.
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12th August 2019
Monday 7:40 pm
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Today I tried 'pulled' jackfruit. I'm struggling to understand what the big deal is about it. Perhaps what I was served was a bad example of it, but the jackfruit itself was completely overpowered by the seasoning and didn't actually seem to bring anything to the meal; no flavour or texture.
>> No. 429507 Anonymous
12th August 2019
Monday 9:07 pm
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>>429506
I don't know about the "pulled" variety, but normally it does have some texture. Not dissimilar to artichokes.
>> No. 429508 Anonymous
12th August 2019
Monday 9:19 pm
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>>429506

I pulled my jackfruit today IYKWIM.




Coat gotten.
>> No. 429515 Anonymous
14th August 2019
Wednesday 9:45 am
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>>429506

It's meant to be a meat substitute. Our lass has it a lot because she's one of those shit vegetarians who doesn't really like or know how to cook with veg. It's passable, I'd say, as a pulled pork replacement with one of those saitan burgers.

I'd still say just suck it up and eat a fucking burger personally, you only live once. You don't see grown adults taking pretend cocaine or eating chocolate cigs. So why do we eat pretend meat.
>> No. 429518 Anonymous
14th August 2019
Wednesday 12:34 pm
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>>429515
My mum was raving about it a month or so back because she said it was indistinguishable from pulled pork. Will have to try it.
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14th August 2019
Wednesday 1:29 pm
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>>429515
>You don't see grown adults taking pretend cocaine or eating chocolate cigs
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14th August 2019
Wednesday 1:33 pm
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>>429515
>You don't see grown adults taking pretend cocaine or eating chocolate cigs. So why do we eat pretend meat.
A variety of ethical and health reasons. I don't know if anyone takes pretend cocaine, that seems like a weird thing to say.
>> No. 429522 Anonymous
14th August 2019
Wednesday 1:55 pm
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Whenever I have a Twix I spend at least a couple of minutes pretending it's a big cigar.
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14th August 2019
Wednesday 2:15 pm
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>> No. 429524 Anonymous
14th August 2019
Wednesday 2:21 pm
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>>429515

Several million people use electric fags - all the nicotiney goodness, with no manky smoke and vastly fewer carcinogens. It seems perfectly reasonable that people who are vegetarian for health or ethical reasons would want to re-create the taste of meat without the saturated fats or animal cruelty.
>> No. 429525 Anonymous
14th August 2019
Wednesday 2:50 pm
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>>429515
Two reasons: 1) Because they exist and are tasty - vegans like junk food too. 2) When I eat out with friends, say for lunch, and we visit Byron (or some other posh burger place), it's nice that I actually get an option on the menu.

The Beyond Meat burgers are (expensive but) very good, for example.
>> No. 429526 Anonymous
14th August 2019
Wednesday 2:54 pm
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>>429525
>posh burger place
What?
>> No. 429527 Anonymous
14th August 2019
Wednesday 3:05 pm
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>>429524
>saturated fats

What are the differences between saturated and unsaturated fats? I realised when I was looking at a packet of cashew nuts yesterday that I really should learn the difference between the two. I'm pretty sure I've looked it up a few times before and have then forgotten.
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14th August 2019
Wednesday 4:11 pm
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>> No. 429529 Anonymous
14th August 2019
Wednesday 4:34 pm
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One of you guys has a food dehydrator, right?
What kind of thing should i look for in a decent but affordable unit? The tray in front ones look pretty cool.
>> No. 429530 Anonymous
14th August 2019
Wednesday 4:43 pm
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>>429526
Well it isn't McDonalds or Burger King, therefore, posh.
>> No. 429531 Anonymous
14th August 2019
Wednesday 5:22 pm
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I have this one and it works perfectly well. It's just a bit of a pain to clean the inside (the trays can go in the dishwasher).
>> No. 429532 Anonymous
14th August 2019
Wednesday 5:39 pm
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>>429530

This really pissed me off and still pisses me off now. The faux outrage of the Chancellor eating a burger a few quid more than a McDonald's. Heaven forbid.

The worst part was all the journalists in London newspapers writing it as if they don't spend £7 on a shit rice pot for lunch.
>> No. 429535 Anonymous
14th August 2019
Wednesday 10:10 pm
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>>429532
It was indeed a silly story, but made a meal of - sorry - due to George Osborne's extreme personal unlikeability and arrogance which led to him being hated even by his own side and usually sympathetic journalists and to the collapse of his political career.
>> No. 429537 Anonymous
15th August 2019
Thursday 2:49 am
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>>429515

>You don't see grown adults taking pretend cocaine or eating chocolate cigs.

Does speed and chocolate fingers count?
>> No. 429538 Anonymous
15th August 2019
Thursday 6:28 am
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Today I learned that there is a councillor in my city named Randy Conteh.
>> No. 429544 Anonymous
15th August 2019
Thursday 9:50 pm
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I just did what most ear nose and throat specialists duly advise against and had a gentle prod around the more inner parts of my ear canals that you don't normally get to as part of your personal hygiene regimen, with about a dozen Q tips, to remove ear wax. I was shocked at the amount of wax I was able to remove, much of it almost black in colour, so it would have had to be in there for quite a long time.

I noticed an instant improvement of my hearing on both ears. Especially in the higher frequency range.
>> No. 429545 Anonymous
15th August 2019
Thursday 10:54 pm
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>>429544
My sinuses are FUBAR. I can't remember the last time I breathed properly out of my left nostril and my left ear regularly does this thing where I can hear the wax being moved around by passing blood, it's so loud it keeps me up at night. Then it won't happen for two weeks and I so I don't speak to a doctor about it. The one time I did I had a cold and she just said it was that; it was about three years ago.

Wait this isn't /101/.
>> No. 429546 Anonymous
15th August 2019
Thursday 11:13 pm
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>>429545

Can you go to an ENT specialist to have your hearing checked "just because"? Or do I have to pay it out of my own pocket if I've really got nothing wrong with my ears and just want to know how my hearing measures up out of curiosity? Or should I go to a hearing aid shop? Really kind of curious after all my ear wax mining tonight.
>> No. 429548 Anonymous
15th August 2019
Thursday 11:44 pm
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>>429546

My thought process is that hearing aid shops would be as much inclined to give you a free hearing test as Specsavers are to give you an eye one - it's step number one in selling their product.
>> No. 429549 Anonymous
16th August 2019
Friday 2:04 am
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>>429546

Your GP can refer you to an audiologist if you're concerned about your hearing. If it turns out that you need hearing aids you can also get them on the NHS, but you'll only get a fairly basic model. Some high-street opticians and audiologists do offer free hearing tests, although they'll try and flog you a very expensive pair of private hearing aids if you have even a hint of hearing loss.

You can perform a basic but effective self-test using a pair of headphones and a tone generator (link below). Play a tone at about 400Hz, turn down the volume until you can just barely hear the tone, then increase the frequency in increments of 1000Hz. Hearing loss almost always affects the high frequencies first, so the difference between your hearing sensitivity at low and high frequencies is a very useful indicator of hearing loss. A healthy young adult should typically be able to hear that quiet tone up to about 15,000Hz, gradually tapering off with age.

For reference, a cassette tape typically has no useful response above about 8000Hz and a land-line phone has nothing above 4000Hz; your hearing has to be pretty bloody awful before it affects your ability to understand speech. If you can still hear birdsong, you're probably OK.

https://www.szynalski.com/tone-generator/
>> No. 429552 Anonymous
16th August 2019
Friday 9:41 am
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>>429549

>A healthy young adult should typically be able to hear that quiet tone up to about 15,000Hz, gradually tapering off with age

I used to be able to hear the 15750 Hz tone emitted by old-style CRT monitors. But I must have lost that ability, because now when I am at my parents' who still have a tube monitor as their livingroom TV, I can no longer hear it.

I found an app this morning which really answered most of my questions:

https://www.e-audiologia.pl/HearingTest/#home

It's a free professional hearing test app which measures your hearing using your headphones. I've apparently got some slight hearing loss in the 4000-8000 Hz band, but I can't say I've really noticed.
>> No. 429553 Anonymous
16th August 2019
Friday 10:11 am
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>>429552

I did a medical quite recently, including a hearing test, and the bloke said I had the hearing of a 16 year old, so I was very pleased with that. He also said I had the eyesight of a 40 year old, so at 30 I suppose that balances out.

I can hear my neighbours' bird scarer thing in their garden sometimes.
>> No. 429554 Anonymous
16th August 2019
Friday 10:15 am
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I'm definitely a bit in love with the woman who works in my local petrol station. I'm usually used to a more Alan Partridge-Michael dynamic in my petrol station companions, so this is throwing me off. She has cracking tits and an eastern european accent, I think Romanian, but can't be sure.

She said this morning "you are here buying petrol too much, buy smaller car, or else I think you're only here to see me"
>> No. 429555 Anonymous
16th August 2019
Friday 10:45 am
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>>429553

How your hearing ages really has a lot to do with your environment that you live in. People who spend their whole lives living in a big city tend to have greater hearing loss when they age than those who have lived in rural areas.

I sinned a lot as a younglad in that I often went to clubs without those little yellow foamy protection thingies in my ears, and for that, I think my hearing is really still quite good. I only started wearing ear protection in clubs towards the tail end of my clubbing days. One thing I figured out was very effective was to roll wet toilet paper into a ball a little bigger than the size of a chick pea and push it in your ear canals. It was also less visible. It worked even better than the foam ear protectors and dampened all ambient noise by more than half. The only problem was getting them out again.
>> No. 429556 Anonymous
16th August 2019
Friday 11:29 am
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>>429555

As a musiclad I've always been a bit afraid of hearing loss. Back when I was younger I used to say I'd rather go blind than deaf, and while I think that's silly now, I meant it at the time. I spent many a night with my head practically, sometimes literally, inside a Funktion One bin, but always with earplugs. I had custom moulded silicon ones so you could barely tell, not that I cared if people saw me with earplugs, I was a Professional Musician, so of course I had Professional Hearing Protection.

I know I'm a boring old man but it's the one thing I try to tell my younger relatives, look after your hearing. It's such an easily preventable problem that can cause you so much misery - a lot of musician types in my peer group have all sorts of issues, from tinnitus to acute hearing loss.
>> No. 429557 Anonymous
16th August 2019
Friday 11:30 am
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>>429553

I just called the NHS helpline, and they said a hearing test at a specialist is free if I feel that my hearing has become worse. Which the app I mentioned above says it has, if just slightly, but I figure it's best to see a specialist whose instruments are correctly calibrated.

They said it might take some time to get an appointment, but it's covered.
>> No. 429560 Anonymous
16th August 2019
Friday 1:05 pm
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>>429556

Every drummer I know has significant hearing loss in their left ear - that's the side their snare and hats are on. I know an engineer who ruptured his eardrum, because some dickhead hit a snare at full pelt while he was adjusting the mic placement on it.

Local councils are (entirely unintentionally) saving the hearing of clubbers and DJs - most venues have fairly strict noise curfews these days, so it's not unusual for the FoH limiter to be set at less than 100dB.
>> No. 429562 Anonymous
16th August 2019
Friday 1:38 pm
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>>429560

https://www.aarp.org/health/conditions-treatments/info-2018/musicians-hearing-loss.html

>According to a German study that analyzed the health insurance records of 7 million people from 2004 to 2008, working musicians are nearly four times more likely to suffer noise-induced hearing loss than those in any other profession. They also were 57 percent more likely to have tinnitus — ringing in the ears — brought on by their work.
>> No. 429563 Anonymous
16th August 2019
Friday 1:46 pm
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>>429562

No surprise there. If you worked in a factory that was too loud to hold a conversation in, your employer would be up before a judge if they didn't provide you with ear defenders and regular hearing tests. The stage volume of a rock band is blisteringly, brutally loud, but far too many musicians wear that as a perverse badge of honour.
>> No. 429564 Anonymous
16th August 2019
Friday 1:47 pm
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Does this mean we're reversing our policy of giving young offenders jazz instruments then?
>> No. 429565 Anonymous
16th August 2019
Friday 3:17 pm
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>>429563

I worked in a car factory as a student job one summer. I was a forklift driver, and that meant that I wasn't as exposed to the same kind of noise levels as some of the people working the sheet presses or the foundry. I often spent much of my workday depositing and retrieving empty containers from the open-air container lot. But even I was given a health and safety introduction on my first day there where it was stressed that factory health and safety required every employee, management or worker, whose job involved spending time around the production floor, to wear ear protection or at least have some of those yellow foam plugs handy at all times. They said they would refuse liability if we suffered hearing problems by failing to wear our protection.
>> No. 429568 Anonymous
16th August 2019
Friday 11:31 pm
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>>429563

I mean, if you've ever been in a band, youd know why- It's a lot of bloody fun.

I used to be in an extreme metal band. The better shows we played were in little pubs full of crusty punk sorts. They'd provide these little combo amps that were perfectly adequate for the venue, and we'd say nah fuck that and drag in our 120 watt 4x12 half stacks. Rooms that could barely fit fifty people sometimes, the sound pressure was probably frankly irresponsible.

People would leave our gigs with broken bones in some cases, because you obviously don't have stewards, or even the most basic of health and safety concern, at that very grassroots level of the music scene. Hearing damage seems like a secondary concern in that context.

Of course I do worry how it will impact my hearing in later life, but it is what it is, and it was a bloody good time while I was at it. Most experienced and sought after producers and mixing engineers are older guys in their 40s and 50s, and their hearing has measurably suffered in the 4khz and upwards range. They still provide highly regarded services, because you simply adapt. If you're not going properly deaf, it's not worth losing too much sleep over.
>> No. 429569 Anonymous
16th August 2019
Friday 11:42 pm
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Probably got other bigger problems too.
>> No. 429570 Anonymous
17th August 2019
Saturday 12:07 am
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Once again, after a four month absence, the prospect of suicide returns.
>> No. 429571 Anonymous
17th August 2019
Saturday 12:22 am
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>>429568

I used to go to a club as a teenlad that had kind of almost absurdly dimensioned speakers for the relatively small venue that it was. I'm no expert on speakers, but they had speaker stacks on the side of the dance floor that were eight feet tall. When you stood in front of one of them and they were playing a bass heavy track (they mainly played classic hard rock and early 90s alternative and some chart music), it felt like somebody was giving you CPR. If you were wearing a thin button shirt, you could feel the fabric vibrating on your skin.

It was the one venue where you knew it was going to be so loud that only idiots were hanging out there without ear protection for more than an hour. At least not in close proximity to the tall speakers. Well, one of my friends went there almost every weekend, she was a bit on the dumb side in all fairness, and already at the tender age of 20, she had trouble understanding people talking. Her favourite spot was near the speakers, without ear protection.
>> No. 429572 Anonymous
17th August 2019
Saturday 4:15 am
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>>429568

I grew up in the folk music community, where it's still fairly common to play small sessions without any kind of amplification. Pretty much everything seems bloody loud from that perspective.

Playing purely acoustically is a very special but increasingly rare experience - most young singers don't know how to project and it doesn't even occur to them that you could sing to 50 or 100 people without a PA.

Live sound has become a bit weird lately because of the twin forces of hearing protection and hearing loss. Most FoH engineers tend to mix far too bright, because they're compensating for the fact that they're either stone deaf or wearing earplugs. If your hearing is still pretty good, most live mixes sound better with earplugs in.
>> No. 429576 Anonymous
17th August 2019
Saturday 10:59 am
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>>429572

>Live sound has become a bit weird lately because of the twin forces of hearing protection and hearing loss. Most FoH engineers tend to mix far too bright, because they're compensating for the fact that they're either stone deaf or wearing earplugs. If your hearing is still pretty good, most live mixes sound better with earplugs in.

I've actually noticed that as well, that a lot of more modern live albums sound a bit tinny.

Just now listening to Killer/Papa Was A Rolling Stone by George Michael, recorded at Wembley in 1991, and while the hihats off the drum machine do sound a bit hissy, it's still a well rounded sound. Then again, the hissing could also be because it's a 128 kbps mp3. The mp3 format doesn't do well with high frequencies at that kind of bitrate. Some percussion-heavy songs sound disappointing even in 16-bit 44.1K right off a CD.

At the other end of the frequency spectrum, I've heard that reggae records often have the kind of thumping bassline that that style of music is known for because smoking cannabis dulls your perception of low frequencies, which means they have to be dialled up. But also, early reggae bands didn't have the money to afford good proper speakers with a wide frequency range, so they again had to beef up the basslines of tracks.
>> No. 429590 Anonymous
17th August 2019
Saturday 10:06 pm
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It's all relative I suppose. Similar sort of story to the way the NS-10 became a widely loved reference monitor. If your audience is mostly going to be listening on either a shit car stereo or the £40 DAB radio at work, you have to know what it sounds like on a middle of the road speaker that doesn't do the mix any favours. It's all well and good if it sounds amazing on your 2.1 KRK set up with 8 inch drivers and silk dome tweeters. You're the only one who will ever hear it that way.

That's why I simply can't buy into a lot of audiophile nonsense. It's such a divorced dad sort of hobby. Spunking money up the wall to listen to old Pink Floyd albums with that analogue sparkle. It's nice to listen to a really well produced record on a nice set up, sure, but the sort of money you can pay on "enthusiast hi-fi" gear is often above and beyond what the hardware used to create most of those same records would have cost. Absolute mug's game.

Don't get me started on cables. Used to rip cunts off good and proper down the old Maplin selling pure oxygen free copper wire for over a tenner a metre to the kind of twat who makes the guy from Techmoan look normal. Those were the days.
>> No. 429592 Anonymous
17th August 2019
Saturday 10:17 pm
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>>429590

Someone (I think Sound On Sound) did a blind test of different speaker cables, and a bit of bent coathanger beat out the £300 or whatever Monster cable.

There was a time when mixing on "the best" monitors made sense, when you were mixing for CD and people actually listened to your stuff on Hi-Fi systems. Your mix would really translate on those things. The ipod effectively made that a lot less relevant, and plenty of engineers will say their primary focus in a mix now is how good it sounds on iPhone earbuds. Even before that you'd always stick your master in a tape in the car stereo to see how that sounded.

All things considered, though, if your mix sounds good on brutally honest, brutally expensive Genelecs, you can be confident it'll sound 'good' on anything else too. You can optimise a mix so it sounds closest to how you intended on those earpods, because that's where 80% of your audience is listening to it, but if you do it that way it's going to sound absolutely knackered for the 20% that listen elsewhere.
>> No. 429593 Anonymous
17th August 2019
Saturday 10:26 pm
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>>429591

All that cables do is supply power (on passive systems) and transmit minimal changes in voltage. In most environments, you will not detect any difference whatsoever in sound quality between cable that's 50p per foot of length and cable for £15/ft. If you want to drive concert speakers on gardening wire, that's probably not the best idea. But a livingroom sound system will be fine with whatever Halfraud's have on sale that week (do they sell speaker wire?).

When I was in school as a younglad, a personal stereo system was your first big investment as a 15 year old. And some of my mates shelled out silly amounts of money on cable. But I stuck with what our physics teacher told us back then, that it's really all the same for that kind of purpose. And to the derision of my mates, I stuck with the skinny cables that came with my Revox speakers, which looked pitiful but in all honesty sounded great together with my Yamaha amp. And it meant I almost had enough money left for a mid-range tape deck, which I was able to add a few months later.
>> No. 429594 Anonymous
17th August 2019
Saturday 10:54 pm
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>>429590

NS10s sounded like shit, but they had some very special properties that made them an excellent mix tool.

https://www.soundonsound.com/reviews/yamaha-ns10-story
>> No. 429598 Anonymous
18th August 2019
Sunday 2:50 am
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>>429590

>you have to know what it sounds like on a middle of the road speaker that doesn't do the mix any favours

Little historic anecdote, Bjorn Ulvaeus of Abba said in an interview once that he knew that their core fan base were teenage girls who had a shit sounding hand-me-down record player with equally mediocre speakers. So the kind of sound he created for Abba was such that it would still sound good and rich on a cheap system like that.

Much of today's pop music sounds to me like it was produced solely for those annoying Bluetooth boom boxes that all the younglads have now that connect up to your phone.


>That's why I simply can't buy into a lot of audiophile nonsense. It's such a divorced dad sort of hobby. Spunking money up the wall to listen to old Pink Floyd albums with that analogue sparkle.

Also, your hearing starts to deteriorate from about age 35-40. The old joke when I was a younglad was that by the time you were financially stable enough to buy a really nice pair of speakers, your hearing was too shit to fully appreciate them.

I'm not really sure how musicians and renowned producers handle all of that as they enter middle age. Trevor Horn must be pushing 70 and he is still an active producer.
>> No. 429599 Anonymous
18th August 2019
Sunday 2:55 am
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>>429598

>I'm not really sure how musicians and renowned producers handle all of that as they enter middle age. Trevor Horn must be pushing 70 and he is still an active producer.


If you spend your life doing something, you come to understand what you're doing to the end product way before you actually experience the end product. I've been a cheflad long enough that I only really taste the food to confirm what I already know, so I imagine I could still do the job with zero sense of taste at this point. And a professional producer can identify and compensate for their hearing in many ways, particularly in modern times with spectrum analysers and all that.
>> No. 429600 Anonymous
18th August 2019
Sunday 8:32 am
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>>429599

Precisely, which is how we got onto the subject to start with.

They compensate without having to actively try, really- Your high frequency hearing might have gone to shit, but you'll still know when a mix sounds too bright because it'll sound different to what you're used to hearing, even if what you're used to hearing sounds like you've got a duvet over your head compared to when you were in your 20s.
>> No. 429632 Anonymous
19th August 2019
Monday 9:51 am
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THERE WAS A MASSIVE SPIDER IN THE SINK BUT WHEN I TRIED DRIPPING A TINY BIT OF WATER ON IT TO MAKE IT SCARPER IT TURNED OUT TO BE A CRANE FLY. IT FUCKING FLEW AT ME. FUCKING HELL. I'M STILL HAVING PALPATIONS.
>> No. 429633 Anonymous
19th August 2019
Monday 9:57 am
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>>429632
Ask your husband to get rid of it next time.
>> No. 429634 Anonymous
19th August 2019
Monday 10:00 am
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>>429633
Toxic masculinity, in my Britfa.gs?
>> No. 429635 Anonymous
19th August 2019
Monday 10:28 am
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>>429634 How is that toxic masculinity? Generally speaking it is usually women and girls who are bothered by spiders and insects in the house and they usually make a massive fuss and ask a man to deal with it.
>> No. 429637 Anonymous
19th August 2019
Monday 10:43 am
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>>429635
Can you not see how utterly toxic it is to unnecessarily break things down into gendered traits?

Men shouldn't talk about their feelings. They've got to be stoic and bottle things up until it gets too much and they kill themselves. Men should be pressurised into acting tough and following what is acceptably classed as male traits. It's better for them to be aggressive and loutish rather than things which could be classed as weak or girly.
>> No. 429639 Anonymous
19th August 2019
Monday 11:05 am
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>>429637

You're being disingenuous though, like all the rest of gender theorists. You claim in one sentence that gender stereotypes hurt women, only to try and dismantle masculinity itself as toxic in the next sentence and a cause for sufferig among men. And that's the bottom line. Criticism of gender stereotypes is more a trojan horse to go against masculinity by branding it as toxic, than it is about really improving women's opportunities and men's respect towards women.

Men are fine the way they are. And, shockingly, it is women who grow tired quickly of men who are sensitive and connected to their emotions and who want to talk about their feelings all the time.
>> No. 429640 Anonymous
19th August 2019
Monday 12:05 pm
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>You claim in one sentence that gender stereotypes hurt women, only to try and dismantle masculinity itself as toxic in the next sentence and a cause for sufferig among men

Is this one of those strawman arguments that I've been hearing about? There's no need to be so defensive and paranoid.

Men are not fine the way they are. The rate of male suicide is far too high. The rape texts sent at Warwick university in the name of banter are completely unacceptable. Men should be able to talk openly about their feelings, that doesn't mean becoming a soppy mess. Men should be able to call out 'lad culture' when it goes too far. None of this is an attack.
>> No. 429641 Anonymous
19th August 2019
Monday 12:12 pm
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>>429640
Did I just lose The Game?
>> No. 429643 Anonymous
19th August 2019
Monday 12:27 pm
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>>429640

You are still jumping to the wrong conclusion that men suffer because of men and masculinity. And that is what's again so disingenuous about gender theory the way it is being rammed down out throats these days.

If you'd ever talked to a man who was ruined for life by women, or by the way fisherperson politics put men at a disadvantage, which can happen in many different ways, you would know better. It isn't about men making life hard for other men, it's more often than not about vindictive gender politics by women against men. For example, I personally know a lad who came close to jumping in front of a train when his ex wife threatened to tell the police that he'd abused their little daughter if he didn't agree to the crippling divorce conditions she had put forward. I can vouch for him, he never in a million years would touch children inappropriately. But oh well, just toxic masculinity again, right?

Pop your head out of the gender studies seminar room now and then, lad.
>> No. 429644 Anonymous
19th August 2019
Monday 12:55 pm
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>>429643
You seem to be labouring under the misapprehension that the two are mutually exclusive.

It is quite possible for women #notallwomen to be awful human beings who ruin other people's lives and for 'toxic' aspects of masculinity to mean that men are far more likely to commit suicide.
>> No. 429645 Anonymous
19th August 2019
Monday 12:57 pm
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>>429643
>My possibly true anecdotes mean more than your facts ever could!
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19th August 2019
Monday 1:00 pm
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>>429643

Shush lad, you're making the rest of us look bad. For every bitter divorced bloke there's another bitter divorced woman with a dating profile that says I WANT A MAN NOT A BOY

>>429640

As noble as the aims of these groups and the movement behind them are, their weakness is that they make the assumption that we've sussed it out. The assumption that it IS "toxic masculinity" and that men WOULD top themselves less if they just open up. As someone who has suffered with chronic depression my entire life, I find the notion patronising at best, and potential harmfully misguided at worst.

Nobody wants to even entertain the idea that maybe men DO have structural problems of their own to deal with- For instance deindustrialisation and the changing job market. The ironic double standard at the heart of the issue is that women are allowed help, men are expected to help themselves. It's not men who are keeping that in place, and viewing it as a conflict between genders is unhelpful in the extreme
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19th August 2019
Monday 1:10 pm
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>>429645

>mean more than your facts ever could!

The lad didn't quite delve into the reason why men are more likely to commit suicide though, and if that is truly attributable to toxic masculinity or other causes. And as long as he doesn't, his post is no more stating fact than mine, if at all.


>>429646

>The assumption that it IS "toxic masculinity" and that men WOULD top themselves less if they just open up.

Pretty much my point, even if we seem to diverge on our general stances.


>The ironic double standard at the heart of the issue is that women are allowed help, men are expected to help themselves. It's not men who are keeping that in place, and viewing it as a conflict between genders is unhelpful in the extreme.

Again, my point as well, by and large. Men have been the true losers of the drastic economic upheaval that we have seen in recent decades, but especially following the 2007/2008 Financial Crisis. It is still mostly men who do, or were doing manual industrial labour, and those industries have been the hardest hit. Right now, things like construction are admittedly doing very well, which has put many blue-collar workers back into a job, but all it takes is another property and housing market crash for millions of builders to be on the dole again.
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19th August 2019
Monday 1:50 pm
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>>429647

>As noble as the aims of these groups and the movement behind them are, their weakness is that they make the assumption that we've sussed it out. The assumption that it IS "toxic masculinity" and that men WOULD top themselves less if they just open up. As someone who has suffered with chronic depression my entire life, I find the notion patronising at best, and potential harmfully misguided at worst.

Men are four times more likely than women to kill themselves, but women are four times more likely to attempt suicide Women can't even do a proper job of topping themselves.

http://sci-hub.tw/10.1016/1047-2797(94)90062-0
>> No. 429653 Anonymous
19th August 2019
Monday 1:58 pm
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>>429651

Maybe women's suicide attempts are more a cry for help. Who knows. We shouldn't make the mistake of saying their emotional suffering is more worthy of attention than ours. Or vice versa, mind. It's universally a tragedy when somebody kills or tries to kill themselves, no matter which gender they are.

What I can't leave unchallenged and where I have to put my foot down is the idea that it's mainly men's fault as a whole, toxic masculinity and all, that men kill themselves. It's an argumentative sleight of hand that's not just disingenuous, but deeply pernicious.
>> No. 429654 Anonymous
19th August 2019
Monday 2:03 pm
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>>429647
>The assumption that it IS "toxic masculinity" and that men WOULD top themselves less if they just open up

Men are far less likely than women to go and see a doctor. Men are far more likely to self medicate with alcohol. Men also have a far more negative view of having therapy. Men who believe that being a true man means bottling up your feelings, being tough and not talking about your problems are more likely to have considered suicide than those who don't. Men are socialised to internalise their feelings when suicidal thoughts can be interrupted by seeking help and developing coping strategies.

A lot of male suicide is said to happen out of the blue or be triggered by an event, such as losing your job. This is linked to the masculine ideal that being a man means being a strong and successful breadwinner, amongst others, with suicide seen as a way of regaining lost control.

Time and time again research into male suicide has mentioned these interlinking factors. They're by no means the only ones but if you take, say, The Samaritans and their report 'Men and Suicide' there's a section on perceptions of masculinity contributing to the issue whereas there isn't one entitled 'Hey, what about that bitch who threatened to tell the rozzers your mate was diddling his kids during their nasty divorce settlement?'
>> No. 429655 Anonymous
19th August 2019
Monday 2:22 pm
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>>429654

>A lot of male suicide is said to happen out of the blue or be triggered by an event, such as losing your job. This is linked to the masculine ideal that being a man means being a strong and successful breadwinner, amongst others, with suicide seen as a way of regaining lost control.


Again, it's not really men's fault alone that that may or may not be the case. The concept of toxic masculinity essentialy blames men for their own misfortune, and in its more uncompromising forms holds true the idea that masculinity itself must be dismantled.

And again, that is why I think "toxic masculinity" is just another trojan horse with which certain currents of fishing seek to abolish masculinity itself.
>> No. 429656 Anonymous
19th August 2019
Monday 2:40 pm
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>>429655
So we're clear; you think we shouldn't be attempting to change the mindset that it is seen as weak for men to seek help and talk about their feelings, almost certainly reducing the rate of suicide, because it's all part of a Trojan horse by fisherpersons to destroy masculinity?
>> No. 429658 Anonymous
19th August 2019
Monday 2:49 pm
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Perhaps this is just the way different biologies present reality.
'Toxic masculinity' might just be the extreme hormonal effect of XX chromosomes.
'Toxic femininity' might just be the extreme hormonal effect of XY chromosomes.

Who knows?
>> No. 429660 Anonymous
19th August 2019
Monday 4:17 pm
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>>429656

You're twisting my words, lad. On the contrary, I doubt the legitimacy of the notion that men are suffering under masculinity in the first place. Toxic or not. Learn to talk about your feelings all that you consider necessary, and if it prevents you from offing yourself, all the better for you and everybody.

Just don't chalk it up to the idea of "toxic masculinity" if somebody thinks they can't break down crying like a little baby if they feel like it, for fear of what people will say. That's a personal issue, indeed one that somebody needs help and should be given all the help they need, but not one that "toxic masculinity" is to blame for.
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19th August 2019
Monday 5:35 pm
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>>429660
>I doubt the legitimacy of the notion that men are suffering under masculinity in the first place. Toxic or not.
Like anthropogenic climate change, you doubting its legitimacy doesn't make it any less real.
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19th August 2019
Monday 5:43 pm
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>>429660
>That's a personal issue

When it's a personal issue that affects such a large number of people, to the point that it is frequently attributed as one of the main factors involved in male suicide, you might say that this is a much wider issue. You might say that this is a trend which we should look to remedy.

Let's face, it lad. You're a bit of a crybaby who gets offended by words and phrases you don't like. You're so worried by Big Vagina that you're seeing its tentacles everywhere, constantly trying to destroy masculinity.
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19th August 2019
Monday 5:52 pm
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>>429663
>You're so worried by Big Vagina ...
I'll be honest here. I would have completed this sentence in a very different way.
>> No. 429666 Anonymous
19th August 2019
Monday 6:14 pm
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Hang on a minute, lads. I'm just gonna get on the blower to Cancer Research and let them know there's no point in trying to get men to overcome the stigma of getting tested for prostrate and bowel cancer. Some Men's Rights Activists on the internet have decided that this is a personal issue and encouraging them to get tested and potentially treated for cancer before it's too late is actually a ploy by women to destroy masculinity.
>> No. 429667 Anonymous
19th August 2019
Monday 6:17 pm
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>>429663

>You might say that this is a trend which we should look to remedy.

It definitely is, but the way to remedy it is not to label things like bottling up your feelings as being toxic. Things that society (that's men and women, remember) still shames a man for doing. You don't get far if you tell women to go and sort out their own problems- Quite rightly you get told there are structural barriers preventing them from doing so. Why are we essentially telling men the same thing?

Secondly, I would argue that pert of the issue, in a secondary way, is that talking about your feelings really isn't as helpful for men as it is for women. It's part of the problem and I'm not going to pretend, like otherlad, that all the manly traits we encourage in men are exactly healthy. But I genuinely think men are less bothered by feelings, and more worried about practical problems. I doubt there are many men out there who are suicidal because they don't like their body image- It's because they've got a shite job and no prospects. What would help them more than simply talking about their feelings are practical solutions, tangible real life doing stuff solutions.

What you can't deny is that there's a hypocrisy at the centre of the whole thing that stops us making progress. When a man does ask for help, there's none there to offer him. Look at the utter disparity between domestic abuse victim support centres for men and women- When new evidence has come to light over the past few years that men are nearly equally as likely to be victims. It's all well and good telling men that they need to, essentially, suck it up and get over their issues about feeling like a big girl's blouse by having a bit of a cry at Daz in the van on a morning. Maybe that will help. But we also need to respect that we're basically fucking men off and telling them to sort their own shit out, whereas women get active, direct intervention to help. Despite the fact that the whole sorting your own shit out and "being a man" is the supposedly toxic thing in the first place.

More to the point I'd argue that most of the shaming about a man opening up and showing his feelings comes from women, not from other men. You don't get laid if women think you're a big pussy. Just look at the whole situation with the institutionally chaste. Largely our consensus is that they need to get their act together and stop being such fannies about their virginity. In other words... They ought to man up. Whenever we have a thread about some lonely perma-virgin, what do we tell him? That confidence is key and looking like you have your life sorted out. So why is it that every campaign and hashtag I've ever seen about toxic masculinity, aimed squarely at men? Where are the hashtag campaigns aimed at lasses telling them not to be so harsh on a bloke showing his vulnerabilities and insecurities?

There's also evolutionary psychology to be considered. A lot of the modern school of thought is based on a postmodern approach wherein the nature vs nurture debate is massively skewed to one side. We work on the assumption that men bottle up their feelings and seem emotionally stunted because society made them that way. And yet, in cold hard science, there is plenty of evidence to point towards gendered traits like that having much more to do with our genetics than we would ever like to admit. We're fine with accepting that men are stronger than women but we reject entirely the notion that being a bit more stoic could be in any way linked.

Food for thought- Why do gender traits such as these present nearly universally across human cultures, not just the west?
>> No. 429668 Anonymous
19th August 2019
Monday 7:08 pm
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>>429665
>Quite rightly you get told there are structural barriers preventing them from doing so. Why are we essentially telling men the same thing?
What you've just described is "toxic masculinity" in a nutshell. The denial of structural expectations, including the expectation of self-reliance.

>I doubt there are many men out there who are suicidal because they don't like their body image
Body image anxiety is just as prevalent among men as women. In pretty much any small independent gym in the country you'll find both steroid users and their connections. A significant number of rugby players in Wales have been banned for steroid use, and it turns out they're all amateur players trying to improve their bod rather than their performance.
>> No. 429669 Anonymous
19th August 2019
Monday 7:19 pm
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There seems to be a disparity between people who reject the term "toxic masculinity" and people who think that's just because they don't know what it means who then say "but that IS toxic masculinity!" to which the other lot bury their heads in their hands and sob quietly for a bit.

There's a reason fishing is called fishing and not "let the moaning bints have what they want-ism" and that's essentially the distinction we're arguing over.
>> No. 429670 Anonymous
19th August 2019
Monday 7:36 pm
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>>429669

https://blog.practicalethics.ox.ac.uk/2014/09/motte-and-bailey-doctrines/
>> No. 429671 Anonymous
19th August 2019
Monday 8:02 pm
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Women have dramatically higher rates of depression and anxiety than men. What evidence is there to suggest that "toxic masculinity" actually causes greater overall psychiatric morbidity?

https://www.who.int/mental_health/media/en/242.pdf
>> No. 429672 Anonymous
19th August 2019
Monday 8:02 pm
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>>429669
>There seems to be a disparity between people who reject the term "toxic masculinity" and people who think that's just because they don't know what it means
That'll be because, like the climate change debate, the latter are objectively correct and the former are in denial.
>> No. 429673 Anonymous
19th August 2019
Monday 8:22 pm
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>>429672

The existence and extent of climate change has been established by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, a multinational collaboration of scientists working under the auspices of the United Nations. The most recent assessment report published by the IPCC was jointly authored by 831 scientists and cited evidence from 9,200 peer reviewed papers; the full report runs to 4,852 pages excluding appendices. The validity of the report has not been challenged by any scientific body anywhere in the world.

Is there a scientifically validated definition of "toxic masculinity"? What evidence exists to demonstrate the existence and extent of the phenomenon?
>> No. 429674 Anonymous
19th August 2019
Monday 8:34 pm
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>>429673
A thorough examination of your hair, nose and ears reveals that sand really does get everywhere.
>> No. 429677 Anonymous
19th August 2019
Monday 8:43 pm
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>>429673
It's got its own Wikipedia page, what more could you want?

>The concept of toxic masculinity is used in psychology and media discussions of masculinity to refer to certain cultural norms that are associated with harm to society and to men themselves.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toxic_masculinity
>> No. 429678 Anonymous
19th August 2019
Monday 9:00 pm
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>>429677
Careful, lad. Otherwise ostrichlad will dismiss it because psychology has a replication problem, which somehow means the entire field can be dismissed as nonsense.
>> No. 429679 Anonymous
19th August 2019
Monday 9:03 pm
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>>429677

>It's got its own Wikipedia page


Somebody said wrote it, so it must be true.

Lad.
>> No. 429680 Anonymous
19th August 2019
Monday 9:07 pm
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>>429679
That applies to every post on here.
>> No. 429681 Anonymous
19th August 2019
Monday 9:25 pm
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>>429680

I don't think .gs is as important an offender at fact laundering as wikipedia.

Ironically, wikipedia itself has a page on fact laundering that freely admits that wikipedia isn't free of fact laundering:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Fact_laundering

>There are a number of circumstances which result in "facts" being included in Wikipedia articles for which there are no reliable sources or which cannot be verified. Many of the improperly included facts result from "passing through" a medium which is generally considered a reliable source.
>> No. 429682 Anonymous
19th August 2019
Monday 9:29 pm
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>>429681
So, do you have a point, or are you just reaching for some technicality on which you can justify the denial and "win" the argument?
>> No. 429683 Anonymous
19th August 2019
Monday 9:58 pm
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I think we can all agree to disagree that whichever side you're on, there are people willing to misuse the concept to further their own agendas.

I'm man enough to let my girlfriend peg me and I think it's a load of cobblers that's largely used as an excuse not to do anything substantial about certain problems in society. The climate change comparisons are quite apt, in that as long as you have a name for it and someone to blame you can comfortably sit there and feel self righteous without actually helping at all.
>> No. 429684 Anonymous
19th August 2019
Monday 10:39 pm
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>>429683
>I think we can all agree to disagree
Sure, if you want to engage in dishonest "teach the controversy" level bollocks. Agreeing to disagree legitimises both sides of an argument, regardless of whether or not they're actually legitimate. Evolution is real. Climate change is anthropogenic. Vaccines do not cause autism. Toxic masculinity is a real thing.

Of course, if you really do want to head down that direction of "agreeing to disagree", I could instead tell you about the dozen people the CIA lost on 11/9/2001, when they went in to prepare a false flag demolition on the WTC that was intended to look like a daft militant wog attack, only to find that by coincidence some actual daft militant wogs had decided to fly planes into the towers that morning.
>> No. 429685 Anonymous
19th August 2019
Monday 11:02 pm
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>>429684

> Evolution is real. Climate change is anthropogenic. Vaccines do not cause autism. Toxic masculinity is a real thing.


Please don't put "toxic masculinity" in one sentence with the others.

Also, nobody is teaching the controversy here. I will whole-heartedly agree that there are men who have such trouble talking about their feelings that they'd rather off themselves than break down into a crying mess due to their emotional problems.

What I don't agree with is the existence of toxic masculinity as a concept in itself and as the root cause of the problem. Evolution is corroborated by countless volumes of peer-reviewed natural science going back 150 years and more. We also know climate change is real because temperatures are verifiedly rising across the globe and changing climate patterns are in line with, or in some cases already ahead of complex computer models.

While toxic masculinity remains largely the hobby horse of a pseudo science that calls itself gender studies, but which tends to not satisfy scientific standards of research that are commonly accepted as valid, and largely and often desperately seeks to bolster preconceived notions that come from a hateful place of dyed in the wool fishing by curve fitting empirical findings that were gained using questionable methods. And the rest is pure framing that's based on often quite daring conjecture.
>> No. 429686 Anonymous
19th August 2019
Monday 11:12 pm
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>>429685
>Please don't put "toxic masculinity" in one sentence with the others.
Why not? That statement is just as evidently true as the other three.

>What I don't agree with is the existence of toxic masculinity as a concept in itself
Right, and that's where you're wrong. Now, you're free to continue spouting your pseudointellectual claptrap, but unless you're willing to accept basic reality, then you'll continue to be wrong.
>> No. 429687 Anonymous
19th August 2019
Monday 11:14 pm
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>>429686

>Right, and that's where you're wrong

>but unless you're willing to accept basic reality


Urgh.

Lad.
>> No. 429688 Anonymous
19th August 2019
Monday 11:17 pm
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>>429687
I'm sorry reality isn't to your taste, m7.
>> No. 429689 Anonymous
19th August 2019
Monday 11:33 pm
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>>429688

I was going to answer that with an angry paragraph on me thinking the same about you. But I've just deleted it and will simply respond to it with a shrugging "Whatever".
>> No. 429690 Anonymous
19th August 2019
Monday 11:42 pm
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>>429689
This is passive aggressiveness on a scale as yet unseen by human eyes.
>> No. 429691 Anonymous
19th August 2019
Monday 11:44 pm
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>>429684

I'm sure there's a logical fallacy for the thing where you put an unverifiable statement in with a group of factual and easily proved statements. But I can't remember it and I can't be arsed googling it. Anyway, that's the thing that you're doing.

I'm perfectly willing to believe toxic masculinity, as you define it, is a real thing, that's not something I've ever claimed to doubt. But, I have yet to see any concrete facts or figures to back it up. As much as you hate to admit it, it's a "self evident fact" in only the same way as the opposite side's nonsense about betas and orbiters and what have you. It's self evident to you, because you subscribe to a worldview that accepts it like a round peg into a round hole.

What I doubt is whether the way it's being used, and the very name itself, is at all helpful. The ideas behind it are sound. The way it's delivered is divisive and patronising. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to realise more people support a message is they don't feel demonised by it.
>> No. 429692 Anonymous
19th August 2019
Monday 11:47 pm
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>>429691

>But, I have yet to see any concrete facts or figures to back it up.

Even if we still disagree on the question whether or not it exists in the first place, thank you for this sentence.

>It's self evident to you, because you subscribe to a worldview that accepts it like a round peg into a round hole.

Again, my way of thinking.


>The ideas behind it are sound.

Not my way of thinking though.
>> No. 429693 Anonymous
19th August 2019
Monday 11:48 pm
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>>429689
>I was going to answer that with an angry paragraph on me thinking the same about you.
Was it full of the same sort of pseudointellectual claptrap about "vindictive gender politics", "argumentative sleight of hand", "postmodern approach", and the like, that's been posted in this thread already?
>> No. 429694 Anonymous
19th August 2019
Monday 11:52 pm
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>>429693

>pseudointellectual claptrap

Not this again.

But no, I was trying to approach it from a different angle.



Enough of this now. Going to bed. Too many important things to do tomorrow morning to lose sleep over a run-of-the-mill .gs cunt off.
>> No. 429695 Anonymous
20th August 2019
Tuesday 12:23 am
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>>429691
>I'm sure there's a logical fallacy for the thing where you put an unverifiable statement in with a group of factual and easily proved statements.
I'm sure there is. However, that's not what I've done. I've put a factual statement in with a bunch of other factual statements. Again, if reality isn't quite to your tastes, there's not really much anyone can do beyond offer condolences.

>But, I have yet to see any concrete facts or figures to back it up.
Yes, I too find it difficult to see things when I wilfully blind myself to them.

>It's self evident to you, because you subscribe to a worldview that accepts it like a round peg into a round hole.
If you say so, m7. I mean, nobody has said it's self-evident, and nobody would seriously claim it to be self-evident, just as nobody would seriously claim any of the other things are self-evident. That climate change is happening is self-evident, that it is anthropogenic is not. FWIW, I subscribe to a worldview where things that are evidently real are real, and people who deny things that are evidently real have their head stuck either in the sand or up their own arse.

>What I doubt is whether the way it's being used, and the very name itself, is at all helpful.
This sort of tone policing is exactly the sort of thing Martin Luther King Jr railed about in his Letter from Birmingham Jail (pic related, from page 10). As for the name itself, it's about as appropriate as you're going to get. It describes those aspects of traditional "masculinity" whose effects are "toxic". If idiots want to read it as somehow referring to any and all male identity, let them exercise their right to be idiots.

>It doesn't take a rocket scientist to realise more people support a message is they don't feel demonised by it.
I see the expression you're alluding to, but it has since been verified experimentally that you do not, in fact, catch more flies with honey than vinegar.

By all means, argue what you like, but don't you fucking dare stand there in the face of data such as the suicide statistics (attempts vs successes vs underlying depression), among many others, and say there's no evidence for it.
>> No. 429696 Anonymous
20th August 2019
Tuesday 12:23 am
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>>429694
>Not this again.
I'll stop calling it out when you stop posting it.
>> No. 429697 Anonymous
20th August 2019
Tuesday 12:39 am
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I'd just like to say that Midnight Special is a boring film and I'm not happy that there's still half an hour left.
>> No. 429698 Anonymous
20th August 2019
Tuesday 12:54 am
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>>429697

I'm watching a programme called How The Celts Saved Britain on BBC Four. The bottom line is that christianity fought hard to convert the fearsome Saxon savages that ruled early mediaeval Britain.

Kind of presumptuous.
>> No. 429699 Anonymous
20th August 2019
Tuesday 2:06 am
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>>429695

A factual statement doesn't become factual simply because you assert it. Thus far, that's all you've done - baldly assert that toxic masculinity is a real phenomenon and anyone who says otherwise is a moron.

>but don't you fucking dare stand there in the face of data such as the suicide statistics (attempts vs successes vs underlying depression), among many others, and say there's no evidence for it.

As has already been stated in this thread (with citations), women are substantially more likely to suffer from depression or anxiety and are more likely to attempt suicide than men. Mental health statistics are at best inconclusive and at worst contradictory to your argument.

Where is the evidence for your claim, other than a thinly-referenced Wikipedia article describing the concept? What data do you have to show that "toxic masculinity" is bad for male mental health? What peer-reviewed studies can you reference?
>> No. 429700 Anonymous
20th August 2019
Tuesday 2:27 am
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>>429699
>A factual statement doesn't become factual simply because you assert it. Thus far, that's all you've done - baldly assert that toxic masculinity is a real phenomenon and anyone who says otherwise is a moron.
That's a dishonest way of framing it. What's happened in this thread is that some posters, who may or may not be you, have baldly asserted that it isn't a real phenomenon, in the face of all the evidence that it is.

>As has already been stated in this thread (with citations), women are substantially more likely to suffer from depression or anxiety and are more likely to attempt suicide than men.
Right. So what does the higher suicide rate among men in light of those numbers tell you?

>Where is the evidence for your claim
There's plenty in this thread, as people who aren't wilfully ignoring it will tell you.


>a thinly-referenced Wikipedia article
What was it you were saying about bald assertions? (Pic related.)

>What data do you have to show that "toxic masculinity" is bad for male mental health? What peer-reviewed studies can you reference?
That's not how the burden of proof works. Someone in this thread, who may or may not be you, asserted that it isn't real. Enough evidence has been brought here to show a prima facie case for its existence. You've got an assertion, and at least some basic evidence to the contrary. You need to back yourself up. With real evidence, mind you, not political arguments, personal opinions, whataboutery, escape hatches, or pseud bollocks.
>> No. 429701 Anonymous
20th August 2019
Tuesday 7:09 am
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>>429694
>Enough of this now. Going to bed. Too many important things to do tomorrow morning to lose sleep over a run-of-the-mill .gs cunt off.

If you think about it, this board has been dominated for about half a day due to a cunt-off arising from being startled by a crane fly.
>> No. 429702 Anonymous
20th August 2019
Tuesday 8:07 am
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>>429701
Fucking crane flies. They can all just fuck off.
>> No. 429703 Anonymous
20th August 2019
Tuesday 10:49 am
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>>429700

>What was it you were saying about bald assertions? (Pic related.)

1) A magazine article
2) A weak sociology paper about chronic masturbators that mentions the phrase "toxic masculinity" twice, one of which is citing a scholar who disputes the existence of such a concept
3) A magazine article
4) A psychology paper that doesn't use the phrase "toxic masculinity" anywhere
5) A book that doesn't use the phrase "toxic masculinity" anywhere
6) A magazine article
7) A newspaper article
8) A magazine article
9) A book that doesn't use the phrase "toxic masculinity" anywhere
10) An actual peer reviewed paper discussing toxic masculinity! In prison inmates, thereby completely confounding "toxic masculinity" with "being a convicted criminal".
11) 2 again
12) Another actual peer reviewed paper! About homophobia amongst prison inmates.

I could go on.

Having read every academic text in the citation list, I could only find one actual piece of evidence (as opposed to opinion), item 24 (doi:10.1037/cou0000176). This meta-analysis found that some masculine norms were modestly associated with negative mental health outcomes, but others had a neutral or positive impact. Crucially, these findings were significantly confounded by socio-economic status, which the authors did not fully adjust for - low socio-economic status is strongly correlated with both poor mental health and traditional masculine identity norms.

>That's not how the burden of proof works.

No, that's exactly how the burden of proof works. You're the one claiming the existence of a phenomenon, so the burden of proof lies with you. It's not my job to prove the null hypothesis, it's your job to falsify it.
>> No. 429704 Anonymous
20th August 2019
Tuesday 11:04 am
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Listen.

It doesn't fucking matter if you think toxic masculinity exists or not. Call it what you like, there are obviously social pressures on men that are unhealthy.

The part that matters, which nobody is talking about, is wether or not just talking about your feelings goes anywhere near touching the problem. You can talk about it all you like and it won't change the fact that your life is shit. Does it ACTUALLY help as much as you think it will?

I'm relatively certain it will help is some cases but this whole debate is doing nothing but distracting away from the fact our mental health services offer nothing for a substantial chunk of people who need genuine help. People who need more than a prescription for sertraline and a bit of a cry. People who society has left behind with no means of recourse. People who need re-training for jobs that fit the modern service based economy.

Hell it all goes back to the economy let's face it. We can piss about all we want getting men to talk about their feelings but they're still going to be stuck with a zero hours contract or a dodgy Uber gig.

You can clap your hands over your ears and pretend you've got it all figured out, but what you're really doing is pissing on the grass next to a house that's on fire.
>> No. 429705 Anonymous
20th August 2019
Tuesday 11:38 am
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>>429703
Do you have a peer-reviewed, verified and replicated paper proving that you're not talking out of your arse?

Didn't think so.
>> No. 429706 Anonymous
20th August 2019
Tuesday 12:26 pm
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>>429704

>It doesn't fucking matter if you think toxic masculinity exists or not. Call it what you like, there are obviously social pressures on men that are unhealthy.


Look at you backing away from your original standpoint that toxic masculinity is as real as the sun rises every day, and now retreating to the assertion that unhealthy social pressures on men exist. Which is about as startling a realisation as saying the job world is tough.

From what >>429703 lad posted, there is actually a body of evidence that is not to be dismissed that "toxic masculinity" is a concept that was thought up by theorising social scientists, psychologists and gender theorists, who then went on to desperately try to find real-life evidence and statistical data that they could curve fit to support that idea.


Also,

>>429695

>don't you fucking dare stand there in the face of data such as the suicide statistics (attempts vs successes vs underlying depression), among many others, and say there's no evidence for it.

Ok, I'll be the one to fucking dare then. Who do you think you are that you can just instrumentalise suicide statistics and chalk them all up to "toxic masculinity"? Have you personally talked to suicide attempt survivors? Have you asked them what caused them to want to take such a horrible step? Have you also talked to the loved ones of people who succeeded in killing themselves?

You may think I'm just being an abrasive cunt here, but my dad killed himself when I was a weelad. And you don't fucking have the right to interpret my dad killing himself one way or another to suit your argument. It is none of your concern why he did what he did, but our best guess as his family has always been that he was having an affair, for which there was conclusive evidence, and that that woman threatened to tell my mum, in which case our family probably would have broken apart. My parents were also heavily in debt with our newly signed mortgage for the house. There were even rumours which could never be verified that that woman had a miscarriage a few months after my dad died, so you can imagine the enormity of the situation my dad saw himself confronted with.

So tell me again how the fuck that one could have been blamed on toxic masculinity. Have a fuckung word with yourself, lad.
>> No. 429707 Anonymous
20th August 2019
Tuesday 12:31 pm
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>>429706
Oh look, pseudlad has woken up again.
>> No. 429708 Anonymous
20th August 2019
Tuesday 12:42 pm
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>>429706

I'm not the lad you think I am mate.
>> No. 429709 Anonymous
20th August 2019
Tuesday 2:25 pm
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>>429708
Rocket Man?

Not sorry.
>> No. 429710 Anonymous
20th August 2019
Tuesday 2:51 pm
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Why does everyone think toxic masculinity means "all men" or "masculinity"? I don't particularly agree with the concept anyway but I'm still capable of understanding what it describes.
>> No. 429711 Anonymous
20th August 2019
Tuesday 2:51 pm
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>>429709

He didn't say he's not the lad they think he is at home.
>> No. 429712 Anonymous
20th August 2019
Tuesday 3:26 pm
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>>429711
This is .gs, so naturally I assumed you'd be at home, unless you were out signing on.
>> No. 429716 Anonymous
20th August 2019
Tuesday 3:50 pm
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>>429712

Maybe he was at home, maybe they just thought he was.
>> No. 429718 Anonymous
20th August 2019
Tuesday 3:55 pm
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>>429712

I have a full time job and shitpost on work's time, thank you very much.
>> No. 429720 Anonymous
20th August 2019
Tuesday 4:07 pm
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>>429710
I know what you mean, but people's dislike for the term is to be expected, especially when 'toxic femininity' isn't really a term in the zeitgeist. The implication, whether intended or not, is that only men are capable of having this negative side to them that they need to keep a lid on. Plus the term just feels a bit overused; ideologues seem use it anytime a bloke does something a bit stupid. I generally think neologisms like that are to be avoided, they only piss people off and tend to simplify what are often quite complicated topics.
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20th August 2019
Tuesday 4:18 pm
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>>429720
In other words, the past 24 hours have been someone having a massive teary because they don't like a particular phrase.
>> No. 429723 Anonymous
20th August 2019
Tuesday 4:26 pm
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>>429704

>this whole debate is doing nothing but distracting away from the fact our mental health services offer nothing for a substantial chunk of people who need genuine help. People who need more than a prescription for sertraline and a bit of a cry. People who society has left behind with no means of recourse. People who need re-training for jobs that fit the modern service based economy.

>Hell it all goes back to the economy let's face it. We can piss about all we want getting men to talk about their feelings but they're still going to be stuck with a zero hours contract or a dodgy Uber gig.

Hear bloody hear. There's no prescription for Shit Life Syndrome.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shit_Life_Syndrome
>> No. 429725 Anonymous
20th August 2019
Tuesday 5:23 pm
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>>429721

We've all got to do our bit to stop the micro aggressions, lad.
>> No. 429726 Anonymous
20th August 2019
Tuesday 6:53 pm
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This evening I have pioneered the tinned spaghetti omelette. One to add to my repertoire.
>> No. 429728 Anonymous
20th August 2019
Tuesday 7:13 pm
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>>429720
There are certainly feminine traits that are toxic, but arguably they're tied up in the P-word. For example, Queen Bee Syndrome is a situation where a woman who has found herself in a senior position in a male-dominated organisation will militate against other women in order to protect her own position. But for the most part, they're individual traits which don't tend to be quite as inter-related as the particular set of masculine traits at issue, which frequently come as a package.
>> No. 429729 Anonymous
20th August 2019
Tuesday 8:05 pm
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>>429728

You kind of wonder what makes a person become so steeped in the idea of toxic masculinity that they defend it tooth and nail like that and are completely blind to the fact that a) substantially valid criticism of it exists and b) women really aren't all that much better.
>> No. 429730 Anonymous
20th August 2019
Tuesday 8:14 pm
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>>429729
Isn't it past your bedtime, pseudlad?
>> No. 429731 Anonymous
20th August 2019
Tuesday 8:21 pm
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>>429730

Sigh.

Tedium.
>> No. 429732 Anonymous
20th August 2019
Tuesday 8:30 pm
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>>429726
Delicious.
>> No. 429734 Anonymous
20th August 2019
Tuesday 9:03 pm
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>>429731
It's been said many times before in this place, and I'll say it again. If you don't want to be called X, stop being X.
>> No. 429735 Anonymous
20th August 2019
Tuesday 9:44 pm
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>>429734

Just because one cunt calls me x, doesn't mean I am X.
>> No. 429736 Anonymous
20th August 2019
Tuesday 10:23 pm
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>>429735
Correct. You acting like X and posting like X makes you X.
>> No. 429737 Anonymous
20th August 2019
Tuesday 10:55 pm
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>>429736
Just arrived in this thread and you sound like a right cunt m7
>> No. 429738 Anonymous
20th August 2019
Tuesday 11:26 pm
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On Sunday I said to myself "you can have five whole wanks this week, no more".

I have two left and it's not even Wednesday.
>> No. 429744 Anonymous
21st August 2019
Wednesday 12:01 am
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>>429738


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K0kN1_8OEvA
>> No. 429745 Anonymous
21st August 2019
Wednesday 12:15 am
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>>429738
Get a hobby and use the power of sexual transmutation to invest your wank energies into it.
>> No. 429746 Anonymous
21st August 2019
Wednesday 12:46 am
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>>429744
I'm not fat enough to call it a work out.

>>429745
But wanking is dead easy, that's why I do it all the time. It's like eating biscuits or browsing imageboards.
>> No. 429747 Anonymous
21st August 2019
Wednesday 7:15 am
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>>429720

>The implication, whether intended or not, is that only men are capable of having this negative side to them that they need to keep a lid on.

That's the funny bit, men are being told they shouldn't bottle things up because it's unhealthy, but also that they need to bottle other, different things up because it's bad.

The problem with the phrase 'toxic masculinity' is that you simply can't say it without sounding combative, it's inherently aggressive, so I'm not surprised at all that every mention of it devolves into an argument. I'd also not be that surprised if this was intentional.

I don't think it'd stop every single tedious argument, but if the phrase was "phlegmatic masculinity" or "negative masculine traits" or something, it'd encourage discourse over defence. But of course none of that is catchy enough.
>> No. 429751 Anonymous
21st August 2019
Wednesday 11:54 am
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>>429747

I think it's the whole "women are good" rhethoric and dogma. If you've ever been in a relationship at all with a woman, you can attest to the fact that no, women aren't good in every way. And that's putting it mildly.

And it's the dichotomy that men telling women what to do and how to behave is sexist and patriarchical, whereas women are supposed to have carte blanche in telling men how to be and what to do. And this isn't about the simplistic demand that men must not be rapists. No man that I know is ok with rape or even condones it. But it's in many more subtle ways that very ordinary male behaviour is nowadays declared unacceptable. I guess it's not sexist to tell you what to do based on your gender as long as it's men who are on the receiving end of it.
>> No. 429753 Anonymous
21st August 2019
Wednesday 1:10 pm
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Who remembers the massive shitfit about that Gillette advert? Kind of encapsulates the whole deal really.

Fishmongery is all about getting rid of behavioural expectations for women and liberating them. Ideas like toxic masculinity are all about imposing new ones on men.
>> No. 429760 Anonymous
21st August 2019
Wednesday 5:17 pm
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>>429753
That's because we do all the crime and spousal abuse though. Women just put sticks in vases.
>> No. 429761 Anonymous
21st August 2019
Wednesday 6:31 pm
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The weird little niche hobby forum I have posted on for over a decade has been down since Monday. To make matters worse, work has been dead slow, so I can't just shitpost on there like I normally would.
>> No. 429762 Anonymous
21st August 2019
Wednesday 9:13 pm
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Can anyone suggest alternatives to a desk for using a computer? I'm finding my current setup taking too much space in my bedsit. I'd like to expand my furniture collection to include a chair or maybe even a double bed, but i currently don't have the m2 to occupy any.
>> No. 429763 Anonymous
21st August 2019
Wednesday 9:25 pm
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>>429762

Consider one of those little tables with castors like they have in hospitals, maybe. Or invest in a cheap laptop if it's just for shitposting.
>> No. 429764 Anonymous
22nd August 2019
Thursday 10:15 am
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Scihub lad, how do you go about finding papers to put through the website? I was quite disapinted to find no option to browse.
Thanks for posting the link, by the way.
>> No. 429765 Anonymous
22nd August 2019
Thursday 1:59 pm
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There are loads of shows about following coppers, almost as many about ambulance crews, yet I don't think I've seen one about the fire brigade. Are firefighters really boring or something?
>> No. 429766 Anonymous
22nd August 2019
Thursday 2:01 pm
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I've caught a cold and have spent most of today so far in bed.

I should do this more often, cold or no cold.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1rmAi9XmlIo
>> No. 429767 Anonymous
22nd August 2019
Thursday 2:10 pm
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>>429764

For medical research, try Pubmed. For everything else, try Google Scholar.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/

https://scholar.google.com/

Other tips: If you want to see "example.com/308273987", you can just use the URL "sci-hub.tw/example.com/308273987", which saves you a click.

Sci-hub is reasonably intelligent about retrieving papers based on the URL, but it can sometimes get confused by the paywalls of some journals. The most reliable way of retrieving a paper is based on a unique identifier called a DOI. You should see it listed in the abstract of the paper, in a format like this: "10.1016/j.ajp.2019.08.003". Pasting the DOI into Sci-Hub will always retrieve the paper you want.

I may have mentioned LibGen in my previous post, but I'll mention it again just in case. It's the sister site to Sci-Hub and provides free access to nearly 4.5 million books, including the overwhelming majority of textbooks and academic books. Currently working links for LibGen include http://libgen.me and http://ambry.pw .

Sci-hub and LibGen are in a bit of a cat-and-mouse game with various authorities and do sometimes get blocked by ISPs. One useful tool to circumvent this blocking is to change your DNS provider to 1.1.1.1; this will also provide a slight improvement in the speed and privacy of your web browsing experience. Full details on how to do this are at the link below.

http://1.1.1.1/dns/
>> No. 429768 Anonymous
22nd August 2019
Thursday 2:20 pm
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>>429765

>Are firefighters really boring or something?

Pretty much. Improvements in fire safety mean that fires are much rarer than they used to be. In many areas, it's quite common for an entire shift to go by without a call-out, which is obviously less than ideal if you're a TV production company. Most of their work these days is preventative - putting up smoke alarms, doing fire safety checks in public buildings, making fire and rescue plans for tower blocks, that sort of thing. In rougher areas, you get a lot of bin fires and other petty arson.

If you were to do a fly-on-the-wall series about firefighters, most of the "action" would be extrication procedures following road traffic accidents, which are simultaneously boring and gruesome. Even if the production company were lucky enough to get a decent fire, there's the practical issue of how to film it - you can't send a camera crew into a burning building.
>> No. 429769 Anonymous
22nd August 2019
Thursday 2:45 pm
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>>429768
That makes sense. The reason the thought occured in the first place was because I was walking past the local fire station and saw that they'd ran a hose up to the roof and appeared to be spraying some parked cars, just keeping their hand in, I imagine.
>> No. 429770 Anonymous
22nd August 2019
Thursday 4:13 pm
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>>429768

Just think if you can remember the last time there was a fire around where you live. It just doesn't happen that much anymore.

Bad car accidents really seem to be one of the main things that firefighters get called out for. There was an accident near here a while ago where a lorry had crashed into a roadside ditch and against a tree. The lorry's diesel tanks on the side of it somehow got ruptured in the crash and there were dozens of litres of diesel fuel seeping into the soil, so they had firefighters with special equipment trying to contain the spillage or something.
>> No. 429771 Anonymous
22nd August 2019
Thursday 4:17 pm
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>>429765

Basically. My grandad was a fireman, and even thirty years ago when things were less safe, the actual task of putting out a fire is, as he said "quite a lot of standing around pointing at things" and as >>429768 points out, the most exciting parts happen in a building filled with pitch black smoke, so good luck filming that.

Firefighting, particuarly in big fires, is actually quite interesting, in the way that we shed nerds find stuff interesting - there's a lot of calculations to be made about water flow, air flow, structural weight, spray patterns, etc. It'd make for a lovely dry BBC Four doc, but not much else.

My grandad has some stories from back in the day, he was an RAF fireman for a while and dealt with lots of crashlanded spitfires and stuff, and also was a regular fireman back before there were procedures for each and every scenario - he told me he once had to work out how to cut a man's leg free from a clutch pedal it had been stuck under in a crash, and they were not far off deciding to chop the leg off when my grandad had the idea to cut the pedal with an oxy torch while dousing the metal in water so as to not melt the poor bugger. Worked, too, but I imagine that sort of creativity and obvious danger is frowned upon these days.

I also work at a civilian airport myself now, and the fire lads there have quite literally the most boring job I've ever seen. They have to drive up and down the runway occasionally, and sometimes park near a plane to watch it for a bit. The most action most of them have ever seen, besides bin fires or the oven at the Greggs putting out a bit of smoke, is occasionally having to park near a plane that's come in too fast to see if his brakes set alight. They never do.
>> No. 429772 Anonymous
22nd August 2019
Thursday 5:16 pm
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>>429771

Even bin fires should be rare now at airports, as most of them now have smoking booths, and open fire isn't permitted anywhere outside of those areas.
>> No. 429773 Anonymous
22nd August 2019
Thursday 5:21 pm
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>>429768
Some of this stuff might actually be pretty interesting. A fair chunk of people still don't know that they can get smoke alarms fitted and checked by the fire service, and having someone walk through an inspection can give the viewer something to think about in their own home.

As for the burning building problem, body-worn or helmet-mounted cameras are becoming a thing, not least for the fire service themselves to learn and improve. The crew ride along and when onsite they set up at a safe distance, but the editor can splice in video captured by the service's own cameras.
>> No. 429774 Anonymous
22nd August 2019
Thursday 7:28 pm
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>>429767
Thank you, it's much appriciated.
>> No. 429775 Anonymous
22nd August 2019
Thursday 8:21 pm
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I really don't understand the point of this new Hundred thing. It just looks like Twenty20 but with five balls an over instead of six.
>> No. 429776 Anonymous
23rd August 2019
Friday 2:23 am
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I think I have skipped dimentions Mandela Effect style.

I remmber back when I was a child in my mums car regularly listening to an Elvis tape that had a version of 'Hallelujah' on it, it was excellent, because you know it was Elvis and Elvis really knew how to fucking sing.

So I went to look for the song onling the other day, and it turns out in this universe that song was written in 1984 which is obviously is after his death.

I've tried listening to other versions and they are piss poor in comparison, because you know, they are sung by people who aren't Elvis, and it only makes me miss the Elvis version harder.
>> No. 429779 Anonymous
23rd August 2019
Friday 3:18 am
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>>429776

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vWVgLLnGaWs
>> No. 429780 Anonymous
23rd August 2019
Friday 12:06 pm
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I finally got around to watching that Queen biopic everyone was talking about a few months ago. Very mediocre movie. I didn't know it was possible to make Freddie Mercury's life story so bland and formulaic but they somehow managed to pull it off.

I once heard something about a rule that goes "90% of everything is shit" and I'm starting to think it's true, buf if it really is true then it would probably make more sense to just avoid consuming media altogether and engage in meaningful hobbies instead of trying to find the 10% of stuff that's genuinely enjoyable.
>> No. 429781 Anonymous
23rd August 2019
Friday 12:11 pm
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>>429780

>"90% of everything is shit"

Except for shit. That's 100 percent shit.



Wasn't there some sort of cup of tea in a teapot kind of controversy about the portrayal of minorities in that movie, in the form of some generic Twitter outrage? Something about the actor who played Freddie not having been cast ethnically correct?

But yeah, one of my friends who likes their music but probably wouldn't quite consider himself a die-hard fan of Queen told me similar things, that it's just a very bland film as a whole.
>> No. 429782 Anonymous
23rd August 2019
Friday 12:14 pm
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>>429781

>cup of tea

Really? A word filter for that?

What if somebody wants to talk about the Shakespeare play of that name?
>> No. 429784 Anonymous
23rd August 2019
Friday 12:38 pm
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>>429780
I don't know about that, because even the experience of watching a shit film can mean you come away with something. The Mummy 2017 is a stinker of film, but I can have a different kind of fun figuring out why, and it means when you do see an film of actual quality it brings said quality into sharper focus.
>> No. 429785 Anonymous
23rd August 2019
Friday 12:54 pm
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>>429780
>I once heard something about a rule that goes "90% of everything is shit"

That's called 'Sturgeon's law' and thats actually the defense argument. Sturgeon was a sci-fi writer in the pulp era and was tired of being asked why 90% of sci-fi is crap at a time where people poked fun of sci-fi and it's fans a lot, to which his response was "Using the same standards that categorize 90% of science fiction as trash, crud, or crap, it can be argued that 90% of film, literature, consumer goods, etc. is crap"


>buf if it really is true then it would probably make more sense to just avoid consuming media altogether and engage in meaningful hobbies instead of trying to find the 10% of stuff that's genuinely enjoyable.

90% of hobbies are crap and everything is meaningless.
>> No. 429786 Anonymous
23rd August 2019
Friday 1:01 pm
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>>429781
A lot of the nature of the film comes down to the rest of the band being in control. Originally Sacha Baron Cohen was on board, but he wanted to focus more on Freddie and less on everyone else but Brian and Roger weren't having any of it.
>> No. 429787 Anonymous
23rd August 2019
Friday 1:11 pm
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>>429776

In my dimension, Elton John is dead and Boy George was outed as a paedophile.

I'm also not sure if I've told you lot this before. Maybe that was before I crossed over too.
>> No. 429788 Anonymous
23rd August 2019
Friday 1:50 pm
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>>429779

I can tell the differeance between 2 songs that contain the same word but otherwise sound nothing alike. I've been looking into if maybe 'Hallelujah' was based on an older song he recorded a version of but no luck. There is also no reason I would have been exposed to any of the other version of the songs, my Mother never had cutting edge taste in music.


>>429787
I could well believe both of those, what years did these events happen?
>> No. 429789 Anonymous
23rd August 2019
Friday 2:15 pm
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>>429785
> thats actually the defense argument.
Doesn't make it any less true.

> 90% of hobbies are crap and everything is meaningless.
It's easier to find a hobby to enjoy than to find a good film. Please leave my johnson alone.
>> No. 429790 Anonymous
23rd August 2019
Friday 2:30 pm
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>>429789

>Doesn't make it any less true.

I didn't say it did I was just sharing a factoid.

>It's easier to find a hobby to enjoy than to find a good film.

If you believe that good for you, that means you will have a very short road to findinh happiness.


>Please leave my johnson alone.

Ve vil cut off ue Jonsen!
>> No. 429791 Anonymous
23rd August 2019
Friday 2:40 pm
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One of the other key details of the 90% of everything is crap mantra is no one disagrees with it, bu there is hot debate over what that 10% is.
>> No. 429792 Anonymous
23rd August 2019
Friday 2:52 pm
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>>429781
Another interesting factoid to shoehorn in here - the chemical that makes flowers smell nice is the very same chemical that makes shit smell like, well, shit. They even use it it perfumes. Its name - Skatole.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skatole
>> No. 429793 Anonymous
23rd August 2019
Friday 2:57 pm
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>>429792

Ur a skatole m8.
>> No. 429794 Anonymous
23rd August 2019
Friday 4:31 pm
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Rebecca Black got stacked, damn.
>> No. 429795 Anonymous
23rd August 2019
Friday 4:41 pm
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>>429794

I beg your pardon?
>> No. 429796 Anonymous
23rd August 2019
Friday 4:45 pm
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>>429794
She looks like a knock-off Rachel Weisz.
>> No. 429797 Anonymous
23rd August 2019
Friday 4:51 pm
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>>429796
I'd knock off Rachel Weisz IYKWIM.
>> No. 429798 Anonymous
23rd August 2019
Friday 6:42 pm
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>>429796
Rachel Schwarz.
>> No. 429799 Anonymous
23rd August 2019
Friday 6:51 pm
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>>429781

No, 10% of it is GOOD SHIT.
>> No. 429800 Anonymous
23rd August 2019
Friday 8:39 pm
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>>429792

> the chemical that makes flowers smell nice is the very same chemical that makes shit smell like, well, shit.


I knew that. It's mainly used in flowery smelling perfumes, which in the end means predominantly women's fragrances.

Bit ironic, with women usually being so easily offended by bad (toilet) smells and everything.
>> No. 429804 Anonymous
24th August 2019
Saturday 12:24 am
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>>429788

They were recent, maybe 2014-2016?

I think my Elton died in place of this timeline's George Michael.
>> No. 429805 Anonymous
24th August 2019
Saturday 2:49 am
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THE BORG ARE EVERYWHERE! YOU CAN'T SEND ME BACK! WE WON'T GO, DAMN IT!
>> No. 429806 Anonymous
24th August 2019
Saturday 9:09 am
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>>429804
>I think my Elton died in place of this timeline's George Michael.

I think I prefer this timeline. Elton John really puts the "sick" in sycophant.
>> No. 429824 Anonymous
24th August 2019
Saturday 10:19 pm
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>>429806

Both of them were musical has-beens at the time of George Michael's passing, so it would have made no difference either way.

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