Where does the stereotype originate from that British\English woman are so ugly? It seems like usually stereotypes have some underlying reasoning or origin such as poor cooking or how mountain-people are sheep shaggers but this one makes no sense.
We're even rated as having the most attractive men.
>>441757 Not him, but my experience of German birds is there's a hell of a lot less time wasted with chatting shit, and they're generally more comfortable just coming out and asking for a shag or to spend time together. It felt more a case of a mutual feeling being aired, rather than this British expectation that the fella's the one who has to do most the heavy lifting.
But I don't know, I'm not German, for the year I was there, I was probably the only Brit for about 20 miles in any direction, so I'm not sure if it was the sort of mystique of being a Northern Englishman with an accent as far away from Hugh Grant as you can imagine.
To be quite honest I think its because we (Brits) ARE pretty ugly. I've traveled far and wide and would agree with the stereotype. We look a bit inbred.
I think it sits at the cross-section of culture and inequality. Go to a wealthy, urban area in the UK and you'll generally see people who can afford to keep themselves in better shape, take more care with their appearance, cultivate personal taste, buy fashionable clothing, etc..
At the other end of the scale, you have people who are so time or resource poor that looking good simply isn't as high on the agenda, and I can appreciate this to some degree. It's unrealistic to expect all people to look like models, but it's normally pretty apparent whether someone is healthy. I think in its broadest sense, attractiveness is health, mental and physical.
I'd guess that other countries in Europe with a lower Gini coefficient (lower inequality) tend to have more attractive people on average, due to better public health measures, more leisure time, more access to the things necessary to be a healthy individual that presents themselves well. I want to say it also relates to alcohol consumption, smoking, and diet -- but plenty of people in other countries smoke and drink, of course. The fact remains that there are vast swathes of the UK that are deeply unhealthy, though, and it wasn't long ago that certain deprived areas had life expectancies as low as areas of sub-Saharan Africa.
I've also noticed that in countries with higher inequality, like the UK, there's also a huge push among deprived people to overcompensate for appearance; just thinking about young men in particular, steroid use seems rife here.
>>441949 >Go to a wealthy, urban area in the UK and you'll generally see people who can afford to keep themselves in better shape, take more care with their appearance, cultivate personal taste, buy fashionable clothing, etc..
This. When someone goes travelling around Europe they're not going to the Swedish equivalent of Newport. You're comparing Asda shoppers with Waitrose shoppers and claiming they're equivalent.
Similarly, when I visited the States I saw some abominations of "people" on the way through all those middle of nowhere nowhere flyover country towns. But in New York or San Francisco you see people who look like Gucci models. Fashion sense itself and the style of interior decor seemed to go steadily backwards in time the deeper you got into the central parts of the country too; by the time I found myself buying beers at a King Sooper's in Colorado I earnestly felt like I could have been back in the early 90s.
When you live in a grim northern town where people live on a diet of chips, crisps and Stella it's bound to reinforce the idea we're all ogres.
Which absolutely exists, by the way. There's grim little fishing villages and industrial towns like any other country in the world, it's just that people who travel tend to congregate in other wealthy areas and pair off with other people who travel.
It makes me wonder if there is a distinct class of "international" people who move around the world for work, education, and relationships. I don't know if this is just what the middle class has been for a long time, or if there's a more recent phenomenon of well-off European travellers taking full advantage of their rights within the Schengen area and gentrifying more European cities.
>>441957 >It makes me wonder if there is a distinct class of "international" people who move around the world for work, education, and relationships.
Personally I just bum about, sleep rough and pick up work when/where ever, and I was enjoying it for a good 5 or so years until the pandemic and Brexit.
>>441949 Nah, you're being a bit class reductionist here. While it's true that if you have a body like Apollo you will look good in anything; fashion, tastes and overall mannerisms do make a difference. There are plenty of attractive poor people if they can pull off the look and plenty of rich people who just look like twats because they don't understand the basics of fashion. I'm surprised that I have to point this out all things considered.
Anyway, at the same time beauty standards and behaviour vary across culture. Eastern European and especially East Asians (proper East Asians from Eastasia) are a bit off for me as they're cultures swing too hard toward skinny and superficial femininity - the famous doll head of ideal of South Korea is ridiculous. Americans have a similar problem as they're all fuck-huge and seem to have collectively agreed that they will put no effort into fashion which broadly seems a result of their more masculine culture. Brooklyn/Boston women do something for me but I'm led to believe Americans look down on them and their accent in the same way we do for the North.
Britain for it's part has an undercurrent of vulgar women and some truly godawful fashion that goes out on full display when we travel on holiday to the likes of Spain. This is somewhat emphasised by our media culture where our actors come up from the theatre scene compared to American celebrities who are hired for looking right.
At the end of the day though, people will fuck anything so long as it's not repulsive. I'd reemphasise that dressing well helps but it's Coke or Pepsi if they have a good personality, confidence and all that.
>>441957 Gothenburg is the Swedish Manchester/Liverpool right up into having had people from the area move over and it's not all that different from Stockholm. Women use too much fake tan and sunbeds while in general they have those Scandinavian potato heads.
>>441967 >There are plenty of attractive poor people if they can pull off the look and plenty of rich people who just look like twats because they don't understand the basics of fashion. I'm surprised that I have to point this out all things considered.
I'm just pointing out broad tendencies, the fact there are exceptions don't necessarily make my observations untrue. I agree they're reductionist, but that kind of comes with the territory of commenting on whole populations.
I will say that the health data is pretty sound at least. Attractiveness is subjective, but health has some good objective measures. I'd argue that health plays a large role in someone's overall attractiveness, and it's been repeatedly shown that those who have more wealth live healthier, longer, and generally more active lives. I think the point that there's more time to spend on recreation if you're wealthy also holds true, but I haven't seen any recent hard data on that to back it up.
Again, there's exceptions, but I'd stand by my generally wealthier = generally more healthier (and thus more likely to be attractive) view.
>One viewer posted on the social media site: "There's a girl on Jeremy Kyle that's actually pretty AND a normal functioning human, with all her teeth! Is this the 1st sign of Armageddon?"
>Another tweeted: "This girl is a bit too good looking to be on Jeremy Kyle hahaha," while another branded her a "worldie" and one calling Joelle "unreal" because she's so good-looking.
Bit patronising, even if you accept that Jeremy Kyle has built a career on judgementally talking down to people who have nothing. But the bottom line is, it appears that most people seem to think that poverty only happens to you if you're ugly.
>>441978 Overcompensating for the eyebrows innit. I've seen a few blonde women go down this path before.
She was obviously caked in makeup before as well but was pulling off a more dream girlfriend look
>>441978 >too much slap
Oh no, how will she console herself that Joe chronic masturbator doesn't rate her. I know this might come as a shock to you, but women you've never met don't dress to appeal to you. Neither, for that matter, do the ones you do know.
Your pathetic tradfem waifu fantasy is just that, stop projecting.
>>441982 >A lot of women do indeed dress to look attractive
Undoubtedly, just not to people who use terms like "attention whore" to describe women who wear make-up. Which was the point.
Dry your eyes love. You might well be right, but it doesn't change the fact they look like a silly prick; and it's even more tragic if they dress like a silly prick purely through their own choice and bad taste.
This is such playground level rhetoric. You agree with the point that obviously people dress and groom to look attractive to others, but not to you, smeller, euuurrrrrgh.
>>441990 >rhetoric
Ah, yes of course. In a thread where a lad is calling women he doesn't approve of whores. I'm sure there is a name for that, it's on the tip of my tongue.
It's just that when a lass goes for the oompa loompa with drawn on eyebrows look, she's signalling she wants the middle one in pic related. Which I suspect runs contrary to the kind of point lasslad was hoping to make.
>>441994 Oh no don't post that picture you'll hurt those poor lads' feelings!! Now they'll have to go and talk to Piers Morgan about how difficult it's been for them again.
Okay, I'm not much of a looker myself so I can't talk, but how on earth can you dress like that and think it looks good?
What's worse os that I bet they're older than you think. Dressing like that at 20 is one thing but when you're pushing 30, time to grow up lads. But what donI know?
>>441997 A lot of people will copy what everyone else is wearing, plus I'd imagine they could quite easily pull the type of lass that likes lads dressed like that.
I'm much more partial to chubby council estate goth lasses myself, and you're not going to convince anyone that a girl who still wears Nu-Rocks in 2021 isn't trying to attract a scrawny metalhead exactly like me.
>>441997 The two on the right (Jamie Phillips, Connor Humpage) were 26 when the photo was taken (2019). The short one (Alex Lacey) has "94" at the end of his handles so I assume he was 25. The one on the left claims to be call Kevin Rooney and I can't be bothered to search any deeper.
Dressing well definitely gets the lasses' attention. Whether you like it or not, women, by and large, are the experts of all things style and fashion, in a way that men will never be, and their interest extends well into the realm of men's fashion.
Take the cues when you go shopping with your lass. Develop an eye for what women like to see men wear. It may sound incredibly superficial, but not only will she enjoy being with someone who's got style, but it will serve you well the next time you are single and hope to attract the attention of somebody new. Women look at the whole package when they meet a man, and if you're an insufferable git then not even the best sense of fashion will save you, but it absolutely doesn't do any harm ever if you can accentuate your appearance with good clothing.
But indeed, dress your age. Don't try to be hipster unilad with a fedora and Beats headphones around your neck when you're 33. You might pull 20 year olds that way, but only up until the moment you tell them your real age.
I'm a bit over the hill myself at 40, but even at my age, women like a man who wears good clothing with confidence. Except when you're getting on a bit, it's no longer patterned T shirts and skinny jeans that make the man. The best look for you is going to be a well-made suit or sport coat. Jeans are still ok, but make sure you pair them with good shoes. Also, invest in a good stainless steel wristwatch for a few hundred quid. That's another thing that underlines masculinity as you get older. No more fidgeting with your smartphone that you have to retrieve from the back pocket of your skinny jeans to tell the time.
>women, by and large, are the experts of all things style and fashion
Except when they're the type of women who think that lad in the middle there looks good. I sincerely doubt he picked that outfit himself, frankly.
>Also, invest in a good stainless steel wristwatch for a few hundred quid. That's another thing that underlines masculinity as you get older.
It's not, it's just something that underlines "my ex wife didn't take all my money" and it'll only help attract the forty-something equivalent of drawn-on-eyebrow-lass.
The only real rule is horses for courses frankly. Clothing expresses your personality, humans are very much about first impressions. If their first impression is that you don't look after yourself, you won't get a look in. You need to look well maintained, but beyond that your clothing is all about signalling what your lifestyle is like, and will attract the kind of girl who wants to be with your type.
>It's not, it's just something that underlines "my ex wife didn't take all my money"
Even that wouldn't be a bad thing if you are looking to start over in your life.
>and it'll only help attract the forty-something equivalent of drawn-on-eyebrow-lass.
it's no longer a buyer's market for them at that age though. A bloke who still looks handsome in his 40s, dresses well and is financially stable enough that he has money to spend on a good watch, and possibly also on a modest sports coupe, isn't going to go for the Amy-Childs-at-40 type.
>>442008 > Just picture Alan Partridge in skinny jeans with Beats heaphones for a moment.
I've always been too much of a fat bastard for skinny jeans but I'll be hitting 40 like a blancmange dropped off the top of a council estate in a couple of years; do you figure I can get away with reviving baggy jeans and hoodies? I might even start carrying around a skateboard like it was 2001 again / I was Steve Buscemi in 30 Rock.
Hamburg is fun, there's loads of things you can do, but you probably won't experience it with your (female) friend the same way you would on a lads night out like we did.
Make sure you eat a shrimp sandwich. That's sort of their local specialty. Ask your friend about it.
