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>> No. 17665 Anonymous
21st November 2013
Thursday 11:52 pm
17665 Building a retro gaming PC.
I understand the word retro here might offend or worry some of you old fogeys, but I can't do anything about that you old bastards.

I'm looking to buy or build a windows 98 machine that plays all the old classics, anywhere from the early 90s to 2002 (Baldurs Gate, Unreal Tournament and so on), at as best a quality as possible.

I know I can do all sorts to get them working on my current PC, but I really think nothing beats just playing them as they were meant to be, there's a tremendous amount of bugs and workarounds to deal with; its partly for the novelty as well.

Any ideas what I should be going for? I'm out of the loop for today's hardware, let alone stuff from a decade+ ago.

Cheers.
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>> No. 17666 Anonymous
21st November 2013
Thursday 11:59 pm
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Are you really sure you've explored all your options? I'm not an expert but I'd think installing a virtual machine might be a lot easier in the long run, especially if you want to play XCOM one second and Age of Empires 2 the next.
>> No. 17667 Anonymous
22nd November 2013
Friday 12:09 am
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Well even with a vm there are hundreds of bugs. Like I said, its partly for the novelty as well. I'd really like to build a 'powerful' 98 PC, CRT and all. ME/ XP if that would be better. A VM is just no fun.
>> No. 17668 Anonymous
22nd November 2013
Friday 12:55 am
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>>17665

>a brash girl on the brink of womanhood

Huge tits. Curves. Makeup. Dressed like a whore or sex show performer. Never change, RPGs. Never change.
>> No. 17669 Anonymous
22nd November 2013
Friday 12:56 am
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>>17665

That is a pretty wide span of years when you think about it. Very different specs and hardware or software in those times and different headaches and issues I can vaguely remember having to deal with too.
>> No. 17670 Anonymous
22nd November 2013
Friday 9:38 am
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Check out

http://www.msfn.org/board/forum/8-windows-9x-me/

It's a busy forum of win98 enthusiasts who are incredibly knowledgeable.
>> No. 17671 Anonymous
22nd November 2013
Friday 12:38 pm
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>>17666
>>17669
As someone who hoards old videogame hardware it pains me to say it, but I agree with these two - if you're after the path of least resistance then DOSBox or a VM (or even just XP compatibility mode, in some cases) is going to be the way to go. You may be forgetting just how much of an arseache Win98 actually was for gaming. Finding working drivers and getting them up and running is no trivial matter, and good luck finding fixes/workarounds these days. Remember manually assigning IRQs? I like the idea and I hope you'll do it, but go in knowing that you're likely in for a degree of hassle.

I suspect that for most games, XP would work just as well and be much easier to set up. I suppose you could dual-boot 98 and XP.

(Unreal Tournament 99 will apparently run fine in Win7 x64 if you set the CPU affinity to 0 or 1 in Task Manager. There are enhanced ports of Baldur's Gate 1 and 2 out on Steam. If you want to play Planescape: Torment then there are a bunch of mods that make it work, and look nicer, on Win7. Just saying.)
>> No. 17672 Anonymous
22nd November 2013
Friday 12:43 pm
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>>17668
To be fair, she's got demon ancestry so the brink of womanhood for a tiefling isn't necessarily the brink of womanhood for a human. Tiefling children might all have massive knockers and wide hips.
>> No. 17673 Anonymous
22nd November 2013
Friday 12:50 pm
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Also GoG is good. Has a huge selection of classic games that keeps on getting bigger, and they're all tweaked to work on modern machines/OS's, with a few requiring a small amount of manual tinkering and/or mod installation to run totally smoothly. It's cheap, easy, there are sales every few days, and it's DRM free. A lot easier than actually running the games when they first came out in most cases. Having said that, I can see the appeal of gaming on a proper Win 98 machine, but I reckon it'd be a right ballache sorting the hardware out.

>>17671
Not played them myself, but I've not heard good things about the BG enhanced ports on Steam. Think they're meant to be really buggy. It's probably better and cheaper to get the games from GoG, and then download the mod pack on their forums. Restores a lot of content, improves the UI, improves the resolution, and fixes a lot of bugs.

Sage for coming across as a GoG shill. I don't work for them, I just really like them.
>> No. 17674 Anonymous
22nd November 2013
Friday 1:09 pm
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An idea that's a compromise of sorts: how about building a separate cheapo modern machine that will have more than enough in terms of hardware spec to comfortably run your games, but will also take advantage of virtual machines/newer ports/mods and all that?

You could optimise every little detail of it to run just your games. If it were me I'd even consider trying to make my own fancy custom UI or skin, so it would have the look and feel of a dedicated console.

Just a thought.
>> No. 17675 Anonymous
22nd November 2013
Friday 1:12 pm
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>>17673
>they're all tweaked to work on modern machines/OS's,
You do realise the vast majority of these 'tweaks' are just bundling it with DOSBox.
>> No. 17676 Anonymous
22nd November 2013
Friday 1:13 pm
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>>17671
>There are enhanced ports of Baldur's Gate 1 and 2 out on Steam.
I hear they're shite though.
>> No. 17677 Anonymous
22nd November 2013
Friday 1:19 pm
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>>17676
Shite means there's not much new added to them.
>> No. 17679 Anonymous
22nd November 2013
Friday 1:36 pm
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>>17673
>It's probably better and cheaper to get the games from GoG, and then download the mod pack on their forums.
It's certainly cheaper, and it's probably about the same experience (from what I've heard the Enhanced editions are little more than the community mods wrapped up in a retail package, with a few new characters and quests), but again:
>if you're after the path of least resistance
Maybe it's just me getting old, but these days I really do resent having to tinker for hours, editing .ini files and whatnot, just in order to get a game running acceptably - if a shortcut exists I'll take a few quid on the nose (or pirate it if I'm feeling like a degenerate).
>> No. 17680 Anonymous
22nd November 2013
Friday 2:33 pm
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>>17679
But all GoG releases run perfectly fine with no fiddling required.
>> No. 17681 Anonymous
22nd November 2013
Friday 4:07 pm
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>>17680
Yes, but they look like arse and have all the bugs the community have fixed over the years. GOG have a guide on how to enhance Baldur's Gate that is 16 steps long and includes the following line:
>Consult the readme file for details of each tweak - too many to list here. If you don't know what a tweak does even after consulting the readme, just skip it.
http://www.gog.com/news/enhance_the_gameplay_in_your_edition_of_baldurs_gate_from_gogcom

This is exactly the kind of shit I'm talking about. I don't want to read readmes and then understand and configure each tweak, I want someone else to read readmes and sort that shit and wrap it up in a one-click moron package and then give it to me, because I am lazy.
>> No. 17682 Anonymous
22nd November 2013
Friday 4:11 pm
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>>17680
>>17681
Sorry, I read that as "But the GOG releases...", I'm only talking about Baldur's Gate (GOG are great, I've nothing against them).
>> No. 17683 Anonymous
22nd November 2013
Friday 4:12 pm
17683 OP
I'm aware of GOG and DOS box and all that jazz, but I just don't see the fun in it.

I enjoy the tinkering and all that. I'm sure it would be frustrating at times, and it'd no doubt end up costing more than its worth, but I'd love to track down all this old hardware and put it together... it'd be a laugh. I'd even try and get a new one of those lovely 90s keyboards, aka 'pre-yellow'. That'd probably be quite expensive mind.
>> No. 17684 Anonymous
22nd November 2013
Friday 4:16 pm
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>>17680
That isn't strictly true. I've had to fiddle with GOG games to get them on the right resolution and other settings quite extensively before now, especially with the Thief games (wouldn't play the cinematics for me, had to alt+tab out of the game and watch them on a movie player).
>> No. 17685 Anonymous
22nd November 2013
Friday 4:18 pm
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>>17684
I've also had to fiddle with GOG Planescape for proper framerates too. Don't get me wrong I think its a good service, but its not perfect.
>> No. 17688 Anonymous
22nd November 2013
Friday 4:32 pm
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>>17683

People on the MSFN forum can successfully run it on modern hardware. If your hard drive is bigger than 130-something GB then you have to patch it so 98 can use it safely. If you have more than 1GB RAM, you have to disable the extra to install 98 but it's fine thereafter. I suspect you can use Radeon Omega Drivers if you have a Radeon powered graphics card. I remember something along the lines of 98 only likes a VIA chipset on your motherboard and won't work with NVIDIA.

I have a 98 box myself and it's a five-year-old office PC with 3G athlon, 1GB RAM and two 120GB hard drives and it absolutely flies with 98 on.

You don't have to use ancient hardware.
>> No. 17690 Anonymous
22nd November 2013
Friday 4:33 pm
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>>17688
I used 98SE until 2004 and I considered that to be sticking it out to the bitter end. I'm assuming they only use these machines for gaming? Surely nobody in their right fucking mind uses Windows 98 as a general-purpose desktop OS any more?
>> No. 17691 Anonymous
22nd November 2013
Friday 4:40 pm
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>>17689

I wouldn't like to use the internet on it and it can be problematic for video format compatibility but the experience of using say Office 2000 and Photoshop 4.0 hardly seems different to using the never versions and I can get along quite happily using old versions of Logic, Cubase SX, ACID, a cracked version of Pro Tools, Sound Forge etc (although my old version of Ableton is iffy).
>> No. 17692 Anonymous
22nd November 2013
Friday 4:46 pm
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>>17691
I fucking hate that Sony bought out ACID and stuck their shitty rootkit on it. The same rootkit they used to have on their CD's. Because of this, I refuses to use any version past 4.
I posted about it a bit on the internet, but never saw it gain any traction.

If you want to test if you have it, try starting a process where the process name starts with $SYS$ (I think it was that, been a while). It will be hidden from task manager.
I remember that after installing ACID 5, this piece of shit software was installed too. Just a heads up.
>> No. 17693 Anonymous
22nd November 2013
Friday 7:30 pm
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>>17672

>Tiefling children might all have massive knockers and wide hips.

PAEDOGEDDON

Planescape has some unofficial patches and mods out there. Might be an idea for you guys to try them.
>> No. 17939 Anonymous
7th December 2013
Saturday 5:27 pm
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I was thinking of doing the same. I really want to play Rollcage and Incoming
>> No. 17940 Anonymous
7th December 2013
Saturday 6:42 pm
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I wish I could still play M1A2 Tank Platoon.
The only hope I have is old tech appearing on ebay.
Anybody have a PIII with 256mb ram and Win98 going for a tenner?
>> No. 17943 Anonymous
8th December 2013
Sunday 10:38 am
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>>17940

98 will happily run with 1GB of ram with no messing about, and more if you disable it while doing the installation.
>> No. 17959 Anonymous
8th December 2013
Sunday 9:27 pm
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Virtualisation works really well IME. Win98 games are just buggy as fuck, it's nothing to do with the VM. It's rose-tinted spectacles I think, people forget all the dicking about you had to do with IRQs and drivers to get things to work.
>> No. 17960 Anonymous
8th December 2013
Sunday 10:29 pm
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>>17959
>Also, if you want to play this bunch of old DOS games you'll need to reboot the machine with this super-special boot diskette that will set things up properly, though you won't be able to start Windows if you do that.
Those were the days. SET BLASTER and all that.
>> No. 17961 Anonymous
8th December 2013
Sunday 10:29 pm
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>>17939

Rollcage hasn't aged well. In fact it's aged terribly, even the second one. Come to think of it it was a very poorly executed idea to begin with, just the idea itself was a very good one.

It needs a reboot, perhaps they can bring themselves to stop flogging the stinking corpse that was once Wipeout to make a new one...
>> No. 17962 Anonymous
8th December 2013
Sunday 10:47 pm
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https://www.youtube.com/v/RVughnnb1cs
>> No. 17963 Anonymous
8th December 2013
Sunday 10:58 pm
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>>17962

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.Limmy.Jumping&hl=en_GB
>> No. 17964 Anonymous
9th December 2013
Monday 10:26 am
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>>17961
>It needs a reboot, perhaps they can bring themselves to stop flogging the stinking corpse that was once Wipeout to make a new one...
They've released two games in the last five years, nine in total over just shy of twenty years. As repeat offenders go the Wipeout series is pretty well-behaved.

I also thought the PS3 game was the best of the bunch, too, and by quite a large margin. Not tried the Vita one.
>> No. 17966 Anonymous
9th December 2013
Monday 12:13 pm
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>>17964

Yeah, but it hasn't been any good since the third instalment; I am only bitter because it was such a good game back then and it should have received far better treatment than a mere token effort each time a new piece of hardware comes out.
>> No. 17967 Anonymous
9th December 2013
Monday 12:33 pm
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>>17966
Have you played the PS3 one? It was outstanding. I agree that the PS2 era games were somewhat mediocre.
>> No. 18103 Anonymous
6th January 2014
Monday 7:28 pm
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>>17967
The portable titles were/are great as well. Playing 2048 on the bus is one of the few things I miss about my Vita.
>> No. 18143 Anonymous
15th January 2014
Wednesday 7:07 pm
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>>17676

They're not bad. The main disadvantage was mod incompatibility between original and enhanced, but more and more of the popular mods for original BG are being revised and updated for EE. Bugs have been polished now, at least for BG1 EE, and the lack of loading times is a fucking timesaver. It's very much worth the investment, especially if on sale. The additional content shouldn't really be considered as a marketing point, since there's not much added to the core game, but it's like having a BG install with a few lore friendly, stable mods preinstalled.

As time goes by it gets more and more worth it. Personally I've just tried pirated versions since I mod my game to oblivion and BGEE still doesn't have that level of ridiculous content available.

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