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>> No. 27462 Anonymous
30th September 2018
Sunday 1:27 am
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Where does one find meaning and motivation in life if one never experienced the traditional reward mechanisms offered to regular folk - peer recognition, friends, relationships, and an active social/romantic life?

Seems to me that you're left with two motivating factors: passion for a particular field and independence (if you're currently on the parental/government tea). Independence can be achieved fairly easily with modest qualifications leading to a modest job, but genuine passion is a rare thing considering that most people are dabblers and hobbyists, and passion that leads to a fruitful career is even rarer.

I guess what I'm ultimately getting at is this: people integrated into society have a far easier time getting up for work in the morning, but where does that leave the people who were never able to integrate? Asking for a friend.
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>> No. 27463 Anonymous
30th September 2018
Sunday 1:41 am
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>> No. 27464 Anonymous
30th September 2018
Sunday 2:32 am
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You're clearly an intelligent person. You might be socially dysfunctional or mentally ill, but you have the opportunity to earn the respect of others. You can develop skills and talents that people find enjoyable, interesting or useful. You don't have to change the world, you just need to contribute something of some value to someone.

You probably aren't nearly as dysfunctional as you think you are, but I'll take you on your word and assume for the sake of argument that integrating into the mainstream of society just isn't going to happen for you. Even if you can't be normal, you can still be somebody.

You can be the guy at the support group who always welcomes the newcomers. You can be a guy with a really useful database of anime trivia. You can carve intricate wooden figures on a YouTube channel with 800 loyal subscribers. You can be the guy at the open mic night who wears a shower curtain as a cape and reads out surreal poems. These things might be trivial, but they're also the things that make life worth living.

I think it's about finding an internal locus of evaluation rather than relying on the judgements of others. Life is, in the most brutal terms, a futile march towards death. No matter what we achieve in life, we all end up in the same place. No amount of money or fame or admiration can change that destination. If you can find something halfway enjoyable to do with your time on earth, you're doing better than most people.


>> No. 27465 Anonymous
30th September 2018
Sunday 3:16 pm
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>>27462

I'd take issue with the idea that social drivers are necessarily the 'traditional' reward mechanism, that's just one of the many types human beings are capable of following if they so choose. The concept of a more fully-rounded idea of 'human flourishing' has been around for a long time. Take the idea of 'eudaimonia' from antiquity: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eudaimonia

To be completely honest with you, following just peer recognition and a rich social life and ignoring other important areas of fulfillment strikes me as a disastrous way to live. You'd be far more subject to peer pressure, you'd be brow-beaten into conforming to the most destructive and self-defeating trends, and you'd need to deprioritise or suppress any motivations that jeopardised your social position.

You're certainly not alone in feeling you haven't integrated because you don't accept certain social pressures (or indeed, because you weren't able or willing to meet whatever fluctuating standard was in place at the time). In fact, reading and thinking about philosophy in general may help you to understand your relationship to society. The fact you're intelligent and self-aware enough to step back and consider this relationship rather than dismissing the question out of hand in favour of immediate rewards is something you should celebrate, even if it does make your life a bit more complicated.

>I guess what I'm ultimately getting at is this: people integrated into society have a far easier time getting up for work in the morning, but where does that leave the people who were never able to integrate? Asking for a friend.

You're making quite a few assumptions there: that there is anyone who feels fully integrated into society, that they feel fulfilled because they're integrated, or that society is structured in a way that the integrated find it easier to get up for work in the morning.

You seem to have quite a specific idea of what 'fitting in' means, and I'd encourage you to think about and critique that. For example, fitting in where I live would probably have meant alcoholism and drugs from an early age.

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