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>> No. 27839 Anonymous
2nd April 2021
Friday 9:24 pm
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Is it possible to find a large, cheap, relatively underpowered tablet to function mainly to display a single screen of information?

How wasteful would it be to have a tablet on a shelf just to have an automatically updating weather forecast, or another next to an art desk to display reference images or a mood board?

The main concerns here would be the size and clarity of the display rather than computing power.
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>> No. 27840 Anonymous
2nd April 2021
Friday 9:28 pm
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>> No. 27841 Anonymous
2nd April 2021
Friday 9:36 pm
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I'm sure Amazon do something like that.

What about this?
>> No. 27842 Anonymous
2nd April 2021
Friday 9:40 pm
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The Show 8 is significantly cheaper, if you were wanting to go that route.
>> No. 27844 Anonymous
3rd April 2021
Saturday 9:30 am
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How colourful do you want? e-paper displays are handy for this sort of thing.
(and thousands of others. Reclaimed kindle displays are cheap, as are repurposed shelf-edge advertising labels).
>> No. 27845 Anonymous
3rd April 2021
Saturday 12:18 pm
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You can find old Android tablets on eBay with weak processors and shagged out batteries for next to nothing.

If you want a really big screen, you could get a cheap second-hand monitor or TV and hook up a Raspberry Pi or an Android TV box. If you're reasonably handy with electronics, you can get LVDS controller boards off eBay or Aliexpress for less than a tenner which would allow you to use the LCD from a broken laptop as a monitor.

>> No. 27826 Anonymous
14th March 2021
Sunday 8:42 pm
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What browser extensions do you lads run on these days?

Outside of the usual ones you expect:
I made this thread because I only just found out about this and feel like you fuckers have been holding out on me. Block/marks content in youtube videos that is advertising, audience interaction, non-music or what have you.

>I don't care about cookies
You whitelist sites to avoid getting those annoying cookie/privacy popups when you google something in private browser mode. It simply auto-accepts rather than anything fancy.

>Enhancer for youtube
Improves youtube UI and functionality so videos start expanded, I can set video quality preferences and have the site coloured the way I want.
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>> No. 27829 Anonymous
14th March 2021
Sunday 10:04 pm
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uBlock Origin
HTTPS Everywhere
Facebook container
>> No. 27830 Anonymous
15th March 2021
Monday 2:07 am
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While we're here I'd add my core set:

uBlock Origin
User-agent switcher
>> No. 27831 Anonymous
15th March 2021
Monday 9:36 am
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Video Speed Controller
>> No. 27835 Anonymous
1st April 2021
Thursday 10:15 pm
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AdFree Youtube
Coincidence Detector (banned)
De-mainstream Youtube
Dissenter (banned)
Emoji Now Emoji Keyboard
Image Downloader
Instagram Downloader
PocketTube (youtube subscription manager)
Quora Login Bypass
Reverse Image Search
Tab Session Manager
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>> No. 27836 Anonymous
1st April 2021
Thursday 10:43 pm
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uBlock Origin
Distraction Free Youtube
Bypass Paywalls

>> No. 27810 Anonymous
6th March 2021
Saturday 3:26 pm
27810 switching phone contract
I'm currently on a £10 a month rolling contract and I want to switch network provider to one that is £8 a month.

Apparently there's a switching service for this. What I don't understand is, what happens if I switch halfway through my current contract? Do I still have to pay the remainder? It says I must give them 30 days notice if I'm leaving but not sure if this applies with switching.
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>> No. 27812 Anonymous
6th March 2021
Saturday 4:26 pm
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>what happens if I switch halfway through my current contract? Do I still have to pay the remainder?

Yes. The "switching service" just allows you to move your number from one network to another. You're still liable for the remainder of your contract and you still need to tell your existing network that you're leaving.
>> No. 27813 Anonymous
6th March 2021
Saturday 8:34 pm
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Ah right thanks.

So maybe I'd be better off cancelling the first contract and waiting a month before taking out the 2nd contract? Otherwise I'll be paying for two plans simultaneously.
>> No. 27814 Anonymous
6th March 2021
Saturday 9:07 pm
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But if you let your current plan lapse, you'll lose the number. I think that you either need to time it excruciatingly carefully and hope that neither provider fucks up (hah!) or just accept some overlap and pay the tenner.
>> No. 27834 Anonymous
1st April 2021
Thursday 10:10 pm
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If you cancel a pay monthly contract, you'll have to pay a cancellation fee and the remaining monthly fees of your contract.

>> No. 27815 Anonymous
10th March 2021
Wednesday 3:26 pm
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Hello guys,

I'm looking for a laptop for like £400-600 and I'm basically retarded and can't make my mind up.

I don't really know why, but for several years I've been relying on a tablet and smartphone at home (plus my work PC in office hours), and I think it's time I actually got a grip on stuff like my ridiculous music collection and just being able to do stuff "properly" online.

I wouldn't be doing anything too intensive, maybe a bit of editing of videos. and if possible I wouldn't mind being able to play like sixth-generation (PS3/360 era) games on it, even just with medium settings.

But yeah, does anything really stand out in that price market? Every time I have a look through Ebuyer or whatever I tend to become ridiculously picky or just overwhelmed by the similarity, in reality I've pretty much always been satisfied with my tech purchases.
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>> No. 27838 Anonymous
2nd April 2021
Friday 8:18 am
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> Someone from Currys/PC World said so.

I for one always take my compsci advice from someone who failed their Argos exam.

In all seriousness you might be right, work has me tied into Intel CPUs for various reasons but I did recently (like a year ago) work with a bunch of HP gaming laptops with B&O speakers and top of the line AMD CPUs. We broke a lot of them but none of them due to overheating of the CPU afaik.

However those gaming laptops were basically mobile workstations - like 2" thick and with a power adaptor the size of a brick.

Caveat emptor and all that.
>> No. 27843 Anonymous
3rd April 2021
Saturday 2:20 am
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Intel's latest are shite, Steve from Gamer's Nexus told me so and I trust him because he looks almost exactly like me.
>> No. 27846 Anonymous
3rd April 2021
Saturday 3:09 pm
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> compsci
>> No. 27847 Anonymous
5th April 2021
Monday 12:23 pm
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I would have thought their testing methodology would be what put them in the trusted category, rather than his matted locks.
>> No. 27848 Anonymous
5th April 2021
Monday 1:44 pm
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Woah, pal, let's not start saying rude things about Steve's very nice hair. This has been a perfectly civil thread up until now.

>> No. 27371 Anonymous
21st February 2020
Friday 8:32 pm
27371 pi-hole
I recently installed this on my home network. I've never really experimented with adblockers before.

It is absolutely brilliant, easy to install, works perfectly. For the past week I have been browsing all my normal (news and other) sites with almost no adverts whatsoever on all the computers in my house, with nothing other than a DNS server change.

I commend it to you all.

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>> No. 27403 Anonymous
22nd February 2020
Saturday 4:39 pm
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> In order for both cars in that situation to have the feature, it will need to have been paid for three times.

Fuck spaceX, that musk's got the gig sorted right there.
>> No. 27807 Anonymous
6th March 2021
Saturday 3:16 pm
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I tested it on my smart TV and it seemed very poor at blocking YouTube ads.
>> No. 27808 Anonymous
6th March 2021
Saturday 3:22 pm
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uBlock origin is enough to block most ads on its own.
>> No. 27809 Anonymous
6th March 2021
Saturday 3:24 pm
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Thank you very much. How do I install uBlock on my start TV?
>> No. 27811 Anonymous
6th March 2021
Saturday 3:38 pm
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Whoops my bad, didn't read it was for TV specifically, but unfortunately the answer is that blocking Youtube ads on your TV, even with a Pi-hole, is just not that doable at the moment as Youtube's videos and ads are served from the same domain.

>> No. 24774 Anonymous
3rd November 2015
Tuesday 10:49 am
24774 New phone
So my Three contract (24m One Plan at £33.50pm) is finally bloody ending and I'd rather not keep paying for this lacklustre Galaxy S4. It's caused me more bother than good.

Do any of you chaps have recommendations for a more modern handset, perhaps on contract at a lesser price? Stock Android is a bonus. Expandable memory is a must.
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>> No. 27802 Anonymous
4th March 2021
Thursday 12:44 am
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The Pocophone talk in /101/ got me thinking about my Pocophone F1 and how it's still working great, but the camera is fucking atrocious. If only they were interchangeable phone-to-phone, I'd upgrade it without having to ditch the rest of the phone.

Fucking planned obsolescence.
>> No. 27803 Anonymous
4th March 2021
Thursday 10:06 am
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I just bought a Fairphone 3+, I believe it is what you're looking for.
>> No. 27804 Anonymous
4th March 2021
Thursday 3:41 pm
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Are fairphones upgradeable?
>> No. 27805 Anonymous
4th March 2021
Thursday 3:43 pm
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Yes, they're modular so the parts are replaceable/upgradeable.
>> No. 27806 Anonymous
4th March 2021
Thursday 3:57 pm
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Thank you for this, I'm looking to upgrade my phone at some point this year and wasn't aware of these.

>> No. 27783 Anonymous
10th February 2021
Wednesday 11:18 am
27783 Shoveling cash onto Elon's pile
Anyone else?
I'm currently using EE's 4G, capped at 1Tbyte/month and getting 80M down, 40M up. Starlink's £90pm instead of £70, and still no fixed IPV4, skulking behind CGNAT. Boo.
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>> No. 27797 Anonymous
15th February 2021
Monday 9:01 pm
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The war of drugs is pointless. But it's easier to shake down the local weed dealer than to get the local oligarch to fork out some readies to pay fair taxes.
>> No. 27798 Anonymous
15th February 2021
Monday 9:23 pm
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It's even easier to legalise it all.
>> No. 27799 Anonymous
15th February 2021
Monday 10:17 pm
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And let the organised crime groups get away with people trafficking and modern slavery?
>> No. 27800 Anonymous
15th February 2021
Monday 10:24 pm
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Human trafficking is more difficult following legalization and regulation. It doesn't go away, but the Sex Workers in Holland have a Trade Union for example, and instead of drug and sex trade being 100% illegal, it becomes mostly illegal and makes things more competitive and less attractive to career criminals.
>> No. 27801 Anonymous
15th February 2021
Monday 10:29 pm
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Should say 'mostly legal' obviously.

I'm not so sharp these days what with the whole lockdown dementia and all.

>> No. 27748 Anonymous
22nd January 2021
Friday 1:08 am
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Do either of you two feel like we've reached a kind of technological end point? It feels like the internet was the last great technology to truly alter the way people live their lives, and from here we're justing making sleeker or faster versions of what we already have. That Frankie Fukushima fella said we (or at least the west) reached the end of history in the sense that we've settled on a "final", least worst political system. In a certain sense it feels like we've reached an end of technology too, and that we shouldn't expect there to be any more technology that can truly revolutionise life.

If you put it in schizo "dude reality is a simulation lmao" terms, then you could say that we've begun to scratch at the walls that are the limits of the simulation.

I googled the topic and it seems certain people who are more qualified to provide opinions have reached similar conclusions.


> The notion that our 21st-century world is one of accelerating advances is so dominant that it seems churlish to challenge it. Almost every week we read about ‘new hopes’ for cancer sufferers, developments in the lab that might lead to new cures, talk of a new era of space tourism and super-jets that can fly round the world in a few hours. Yet a moment’s thought tells us that this vision of unparalleled innovation can’t be right, that many of these breathless reports of progress are in fact mere hype, speculation – even fantasy.
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>> No. 27755 Anonymous
22nd January 2021
Friday 10:11 am
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We are on the edge of being able to inject virus that can reprogram your DNA sequence, reusable rockets that will make space travel affordable and augmented reality adoption is only a question of marketing it right and you think we already reached the end of history? were you dropped on your head as a baby.
>> No. 27756 Anonymous
22nd January 2021
Friday 3:31 pm
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>Again, this "advance" just lets us maintain the normal better.

This really depends on what the "normal" means, for you. If the normal is just "able to produce a vaccine", then yes in a very broad sense, you're right, but the speed at which the vaccine was made was dependant on plenty of technology and processes that did not exist just a few years ago; mRNA vaccines were tested in animals from the 1990s, there was a lot of excitement and companies being built around it for human use in the 2000s and 2010s, but nothing really came to fruition until 2020.

Other recent biotech breakthroughs include CRISPR. Though the acronym strictly refers to understanding a pattern in DNA, it's usually used synonymously with Cas9 or CRISPR-Cas9, a new technology allowing us to edit genes within organisms.

I would say that, based on CRISPR alone, we are going to see some pretty wild and unexpected advances.
>> No. 27757 Anonymous
22nd January 2021
Friday 3:47 pm
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>if the normal is just "able to produce a vaccine", then yes in a very broad sense, you're right
I mean that the ability to produce the vaccine means we go back to "business as usual" faster. All these advances are just used to maintain the more general status quo.
>> No. 27758 Anonymous
22nd January 2021
Friday 5:51 pm
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>>27756 pretty wild and unexpected advances.

Some of which will be advances in inconvenient directions, but yes.

If we can get some advances in small scale, low energy water treatment so I can properly go unabomber (without the actual bombing bit), that would be a blessing.
>> No. 27782 Anonymous
8th February 2021
Monday 2:00 am
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You seem to be searching for some great shift when the reason we are where we are is because we have collectively tried to suit our desires.

>> No. 27703 Anonymous
3rd January 2021
Sunday 9:23 pm
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Ok so this might be a long one, not sure yet...

(Before I go any further I'll make it clear that this could just as easily be a mental health question as a technology one. I really don't know anymore and this is basically the last time I'm going to ask before I throw myself on the mercy of the NHS. I don't think I'm wrong but I wouldn't, would I?)

Let's say there's a massively successful tech company whose name begins with G (From hereon "Big G"). Let's say Big G also owns a successful video-sharing platform. I spend a lot of time on this video sharing platform just listening to music and watching clips of TV programmes from back in the day. Occasionally, while using this service, I will be reminded of a show I loved so much that I use a completely unrelated internet-based service to download the entirety of it, it doesn't matter what the show is but let's just pretend for the sake of argument it's Friends.

I NEVER use Big G's services on my computer and I NEVER torrent on my phone. As far as Big G can tell I probably don't even have a computer. I'm not more or less likely to discuss Friends on chat/messenger platforms on my phone than I am for shows I'm not actually ever going to download (let's say it's Everybody Loves Raymond) but still might watch clips of on Big G's video platform.

Furthermore I always use a vpn on my computer and I don't ever bother with one on my phone. Further, furthermore, I'm a Linux user on the desktop. Not because I especially care about free software and/or privacy, I just genuinely find it a better, friendlier-to-the-user OS than the various alternatives. I don't run Linux on my phone because I have a life and stuff and just use an OS made by Big G (technically it's still Linux but not really). I have NEVER(!!!!!!) logged in to anything related to Big G on my actual computers.

Big G can probably tell there are more devices on my network than I ever actually use their services with but they shouldn't(?) be able to tell what those devices are. It might be a a Raspberry Pi with an external drive stuffed with pirated shows but it could just as easily be a phone used by another resident who doesn't use Big G's email service for all they know.

And yet... whatever show I've just torrented. The next day Big G will start recommending me clips of it. Any show. It's literally like they're watching me.

How do they do this?
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>> No. 27777 Anonymous
5th February 2021
Friday 9:43 pm
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There's a claim that only 25 percent of fortune 500 CEOs are bald. There's also research to suggest that bald men are perceived as more commanding or suitable for leadership, but perception is arguably not that important if you've already proved your ability as most C suites have.
>> No. 27778 Anonymous
6th February 2021
Saturday 9:46 am
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Something about high-testosterone males being more likely to lose their hair early, high-testosterone also driving men to be more competitive/ruthless so likely to rise to the top quicker.
>> No. 27779 Anonymous
6th February 2021
Saturday 10:00 am
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I read that it's a myth that high testosterone is linked to baldness. Yes testosterone is the trigger, but it's genetics that make you at risk for hair loss, no matter if your testosterone is high or average.
>> No. 27780 Anonymous
6th February 2021
Saturday 10:41 am
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That's the most recent science I've heard too.

I have never bought into the bald men having more confidence, it's more that confident men are more likely to make the decision to shave their head rather than cling on. This idea is supported by a quick google of the various baldness related forums that exist mostly so men can post pictures of their bald spots and say "WHAT SHOULD I DO?!".

I feel bad for anyone who is that stressed or depressed about such a common trait in men.
>> No. 27781 Anonymous
6th February 2021
Saturday 11:50 am
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It would make sense in that people like Trump and Musk are the other extreme, they're highly confident but they're also narcissists.

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>> No. 27759 Anonymous
22nd January 2021
Friday 6:05 pm
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I have a work laptop and a personal laptop on my desk, with a nice big monitor, bluetooth keyboard, and bluetooth mouse in the middle.

I can switch between which secondary display I want to see on the monitor with the push of a button, but I have to pair the keyboard and mouse every single time.

Is it possible to pair the keyboard and mouse with both laptops and easily switch between them?

It seems like certain models of keyboard like the Logitech MK850 are designed with this in mind, but it would be nice not to have to buy any more new kit just for this.
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>> No. 27760 Anonymous
22nd January 2021
Friday 6:17 pm
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Synergy is what you need. It's a bit of software that allows you to do this - it's like a VNC or remote desktop application, but is specifically designed around using a single keyboard/mouse across multiple computers and monitors.

It used to be free, but I can see it's now $29 for a lifetime license. I've used it loads, works across Mac/Linux/Windows, and while a niche use case, does exactly what you're describing.

>> No. 27761 Anonymous
22nd January 2021
Friday 6:27 pm
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Good shout, but my work laptop requires admin privileges to install new software. I'll raise it with IT and see what they say, but I'm open to other workarounds.
>> No. 27762 Anonymous
22nd January 2021
Friday 7:52 pm
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>> No. 27763 Anonymous
23rd January 2021
Saturday 11:07 pm
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Getting a flashback to my Maplin days where we would sell people KVM switches that had probably been made in the mid 90s.

>> No. 27702 Anonymous
3rd January 2021
Sunday 6:57 pm
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Incoming calls on Skype Android has a big, coloured "answer with video" button as opposed to a smaller, greyed out "answer with audio" button, as below:

I can't find any way to change this, so almost everytime someone Skype calls me I give them a 6 second closeup of my ear, or of my face at an unflattering angle.

There is no point to this thread other than to say I am thoroughly annoyed.
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>> No. 27718 Anonymous
4th January 2021
Monday 9:31 am
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I would assume the hold out on using skype probably isn't them but the people they are talking to through it.
>> No. 27719 Anonymous
4th January 2021
Monday 9:49 am
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>There is no point to this thread other than to say I am thoroughly annoyed.

Then this is not the board you should be posting on, motherfucker.
>> No. 27720 Anonymous
4th January 2021
Monday 3:08 pm
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Fuck, you've rumbled me. There's even the minor rants and pissoffs thread. What do I do, modlads?
>> No. 27721 Anonymous
4th January 2021
Monday 5:44 pm
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We'll forgive you this time, but go and stand in the corner and think about what you've done.
>> No. 27722 Anonymous
4th January 2021
Monday 8:39 pm
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Otherlad might forgive you but I don't. Ruined my day you have.

>> No. 27647 Anonymous
19th October 2020
Monday 9:48 pm
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I need a WhatsApp bot that will forward any messages/content from one "home" group chat to any other group chat it's added to. Fine if it can do more but that's all it needs to do.
I can spend a little bit of money on it if it needs a dedicated device and sim card of some sort.

Please help.
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>> No. 27701 Anonymous
3rd January 2021
Sunday 3:56 pm
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>> No. 27687 Anonymous
16th December 2020
Wednesday 12:21 pm
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I'm a silly sausage. I used alcohol gel to clean my laptop screen at some point in the past. Some residue must have remained when I closed the laptop, creating something that looks like a permanent smudge. The smudge, incidentally, perfectly matches up to the trackpad and a little protrusion in the keyboard.

Cleaning it with a cloth dampened in warm soapy water appears to remove the smudge temporarily, but it reappears when the screen dries, suggesting the alcohol has damaged the outermost layer of the screen.

Is there any way I can lessen the appearance of this damage?

I did not take the OP picture, but it's like a far less extreme case of the attached (a few mm in thickness).
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>> No. 27692 Anonymous
16th December 2020
Wednesday 8:33 pm
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I have the same problem but I hardly notice it while the screen is in use. Same pattern, btw. Short of getting a new device and religiously using a microcloth to divide the keyboard and the screen it will happen.
>> No. 27693 Anonymous
16th December 2020
Wednesday 10:39 pm
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Is this a troll post that will actually melt my laptop?
>> No. 27694 Anonymous
16th December 2020
Wednesday 10:47 pm
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It won't melt your laptop, it'll just completely remove the anti-glare coating. That's why they tell you not to use window cleaner on your monitor. If your anti-glare is damaged, it might be preferable to completely remove it.
>> No. 27698 Anonymous
17th December 2020
Thursday 7:37 pm
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It didn't melt the scanner so I'm guessing it won't melt your laptop, unless these things perhaps react differently on whatever a laptop screen is made of.
>> No. 27699 Anonymous
18th December 2020
Friday 5:46 pm
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Scanners are plain regular glass.
Laptops, tablets and phones have special coatings. Some laptops still have plastic screens.

>> No. 27676 Anonymous
16th December 2020
Wednesday 12:19 am
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Lads, help me out with some troubleshooting as I'm at a bit of a loss. I've not been able to get to a professional repair place for months and when I tried a local place a few months back they told me to fuck off because of Covid.

Laptop seems to be suffering from some mysterious process causing it to often slow to a crawl and then sometimes it will freeze, fan runs into overdrive and I have to unplug it and put it away for the battery to discharge.

Assumed initially that it was poor internal cooling causing it to overheat so I cleaned the inside and later bought an external cooling pad but no joy. Speccy does not show anything unusual on temperature when it slows.

Nothing unusual on task manager, have done a reset to see if any apps were causing it, issue seems to be system-wide from testing different apps. Disabled dogshit Lenovo plugin.

I guess I will have to buy myself a new laptop soon which is annoying as I'm looking to get a mortgage in the new year and want to show my life as boring. Plus if I can fix it but still buy another laptop then I can give this to my mum who will just use it for facebook.
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>> No. 27685 Anonymous
16th December 2020
Wednesday 4:03 am
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Those specs look very recent - are you still under warranty? I wouldn't bother troubleshooting anything weird if I can just get an RtB.

Failing that, my first course of action would be to open up Resource Monitor and wait to see if anything weird happens; any runaway process that is using up all of your CPU should make itself known. If that reveals nothing, I'd use msconfig to reboot into minimal Safe Mode to see if the problem still occurs. If it doesn't, then I'd use Device Manager and msconfig to disable every non-essential driver and background process, then re-enable them one by one.

Caveat: I admin Linux boxes in a professional capacity, but am very much a non-expert when it comes to Windows.
>> No. 27686 Anonymous
16th December 2020
Wednesday 8:56 am
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Is there no warranty or what have you? Have you tried bitching really hard about it to customer support? Looks like a newish laptop so I'm sorry if that's not an option.
>> No. 27695 Anonymous
17th December 2020
Thursday 1:15 am
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>7gb dual channel
>> No. 27696 Anonymous
17th December 2020
Thursday 1:29 am
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Gig for GPU m8
>> No. 27697 Anonymous
17th December 2020
Thursday 2:01 am
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Ah, so the system shares a pool of memory. Fair enough, never had a Laptop with an APU in it before.

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