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|>>|| No. 60378
The Novichok was found on the front door of the skripal's house.
There are photos of countless police officers guarding the house and standing right by their front door yet not a single one of them has fallen ill.
When litvinenko was poisoned there were countless images of him in his hospital bed, yet there are none of the skripals.
They supposedly fed ducks and birds after being contaminated but there have been no poisoned ducks. Not a single quacker.
There has been no visit from Theresa May or Amber Rudd to thank the staff at the hospital.
There has been no police appeal for people who know the skripals to come forward.
The police searched the skripals house an hour after they had collapsed and no officers have been contaminated in this way.
Neither has their post man.
Why were the army running a chemical warfare exercise days before the skripals collapsed?
|>>|| No. 60380
That copper responded to the scene where they collapsed. None of the rozzers who stood for several hours keeping watch right next the actual source of the nerve agent attack have been taken ill.
|>>|| No. 60381
So what's the conclusion to draw here? The Skripals were infected with special MoD virus that only effects the first police officer to go near them, but not anyone in the restaurant, pub, park, beforehand?
How much of the 'source' was left? If it had mostly been transferred to the occupants then would we not expect such a result?
Help me out here, I'm not an expert on chemical warfare.
|>>|| No. 60383
That's true, it is a binary agent, but wasn't it active as Novichok at the house?
Further, how long does this stuff last, how much contact do you need? I get that it's fucking nasty, but if most of it's been transferred by the Skirpals touching it on the door handle etc, is that not enough to remove enough of it from the scene that it's no longer an effective dose for officers inside or near the house?
I'm all for a good conspiracy, but OP, you need to explain the science a bit more.
|>>|| No. 60384
>NONE OF THE ROZZERS WHO STOOD FOR SEVERAL HOURS KEEPING WATCH RIGHT NEXT THE ACTUAL SOURCE OF THE NERVE AGENT ATTACK HAVE BEEN TAKEN ILL.
I'm not saying whether I believe in a conspiracy or not, (and I know this is /IQ/), but the fact that no one else has been taken ill is absolutely meaningless.
It's not airborne. Standing around and picking your nose outside that front door carries absolutely no risk at all.
Also remember something regarding the nature of conspiracies, no one can plan for every single eventuality, there are so random chances or random choices by people which could make a plan go tits up. When you try and build a conspiracy theory, you fall into the trap of assuming that everything that happened was intentional.
>HELP ME OUT HERE, I'M NOT AN EXPERT ON CHEMICAL WARFARE.
Neither am I, but my assumption would be that the officer got a bit too intimate with an attempt at CPR which exposed him to the nerve agent in a way that no other person the Skirpals met that day was.
|>>|| No. 60385
>STANDING AROUND AND PICKING YOUR NOSE OUTSIDE THAT FRONT DOOR CARRIES ABSOLUTELY NO RISK AT ALL.
What if I lick the door knob?
|>>|| No. 60386
Assuming that the huge team of NBC specialists haven't decontaminated the scene, then you're deader than a dead man who has just been awarded an honorary doctorate in Being Dead Studies.
|>>|| No. 60387
Also while you're fading out, you'll hallucinate really badly. Your last moments of consciousness will be like "Come to Daddy".
|>>|| No. 60423
>its deployment was 'probably only within the capability of a state actor', but that establishing its origins required 'other inputs'.
>What you’ve seen today is one piece of the jigsaw from Porton Down – world class scientists, but what they are not able to do is interpret and understand the human activity that accompanied what led up to the awful events here in Salisbury.
Chemical analysis is not our only source of evidence. If SIS have got a mole in the FSB or if GCHQ are eavesdropping classified Russian communications, they're hardly going to splash it across the tabloids. It's conceivable that some other state actor was responsible for this crime, but Russia are the only country who are known to have the means, motive and opportunity.
|>>|| No. 60426
You want to send a message to would-be defectors, and deal with present ones as terminally as possible. A live spy can remain a useful tool.
|>>|| No. 60427
Russia has also been sus as fuck about it. Their international response hasn't been much like an innocent party, more like a kid trying to deny they've been in the biscuit tin.
|>>|| No. 60428
>RUSSIA ARE THE ONLY COUNTRY WHO ARE KNOWN TO HAVE THE MEANS, MOTIVE AND OPPORTUNITY.
Makes the perfect conditions for a false flag attack.
|>>|| No. 60430
They don't want to deny it too fervently because then the defectors wouldn't be scared.
|>>|| No. 60431
This. It's like America and 9/11 all over again. They didn't do it, but they're going to let the suspicion linger that they're sinister enough to have done it if they wanted to.
|>>|| No. 60928
>A man and woman feared to have been exposed to an unknown substance are in a critical condition, prompting police to declare a major incident.
>The pair, both in their 40s, were found unconscious in Amesbury, Wiltshire, on Saturday.
>Officers initially thought the collapse was drugs-related but have since said they are "open-minded" as to the cause. Wiltshire Police said further tests on the substance were being carried out in a bid to identify it.
>Amesbury is about ten miles from Salisbury, where former Russian spy Sergei Skripal and daughter Yulia were poisoned by a suspected military nerve agent in March.
|>>|| No. 60943
> Email HaveYourSay@bbc.co.uk as we play "smack overdose or critical hit on our chemical weapons staff at their own home?"
The winner, selected at random from the pool of people who guess correctly, will win their own Novichok-proof grade hazmat suit!
|>>|| No. 60947
So does nobody else think it's a bit odd that both poisonings happened within spitting distance of Porton down? I mean, of all places to have a deadly experimental nerve agent incident.
|>>|| No. 60948
Agreed, though do we think it's a shady, deliberate test, or some sort of hilarious blunder?
|>>|| No. 60949
It would seem far too stupidly local for any sort of MK-Ultra style experiment. I suppose if someone on site turned serial killer it would make sense, but the first 2 victims were so profoundly specific that they would have had to do a lot of research to target them and the coincidence is too incredible to not be deliberate for me.
What I presume this is, is Russian damage control to make it look like it wasn't them by targeting local randoms to make it look like one of the above scenarios and throw doubt on the idea that it was them.
|>>|| No. 60950
That sounds like the worst damage control plan ever, which is why no reasonable person would suspect it, which in turn is probably why they did it.
|>>|| No. 60951
The leading theory at the moment is that the Skripal assassin carelessly discarded some leftover novichok. Nerve agents are relatively stable, so a half-empty phial could still be lethal after several months.
|>>|| No. 60952
Which in turn is why it's so transparently obvious.
I heard the Russian state bloke on the radio earlier and has statement was basically the equivalent of a mischievous shrug, "Oh myyyy, however could that have happened, I surely have no ideeeeaaa..."
But in all seriousness I don't think it was the Russians. It's too much of a sloppy obvious job. And frankly, I'd expect spy stuff like that to be kept hush hush, whether it's us or them doing it- the fact it's in the mainstream and the pleb politician goons are allowed to talk about it makes me think something else is afoot.
|>>|| No. 60954
You couldn't have hidden the original case even if it was spy stuff, unless the government was willing to let the police and an entire community potentially spread the agent further.
|>>|| No. 60959
BLATANT YMCA PSY-OP LADS. NOW THAT WE'VE DONE ALRIGHT AT THE WORLD CUP, AND FANS THAT HAVE GONE HAVE FOUND RUSSIANS TO BE FRIENDLY, THEY ARE WORRIED THAT PEOPLE WILL FORGET ABOUT THE RUSSIA IS EVIL NARRATIVE SO GOT TO HAVE A 2ND ROUND OF THIS NAUGHTY NERVE CANDY.
|>>|| No. 60963
You could though, quite easily- just do it in another way than using a Soviet nerve agent and then leaving the bodies to be found. Simply disappear them like the old days.
|>>|| No. 60968
I don't understand how that makes sense in context to the post you're replying to.
If you wanted to keep it under wraps, you wouldn't have used a nerve agent, as that's almost impossible to keep under wraps.
By 'original case' in that post I mean 'novichok'. Perhaps you thought I meant killing the Skripals? Obviously you could have done that a different way if you didn't want it making the news. I think we are in agreement.
|>>|| No. 61037
>Novichok that poisoned a couple in Wiltshire came from a small bottle found in the home of one of the victims, police say.
>A bottle was found in a search at Charlie Rowley's Amesbury house and was tested by scientists at Porton Down, the Metropolitan Police said.
Bloody skagheads. They find a vial of nerve agent so they take it home with them to try and get off their tits with it.
|>>|| No. 61039
Yeah because that answers so many questions. What the fuck were they doing with a whole fucking bottle of novichok and wouldn't a whole bottle of the stuff be enough to wipe out everyone within a couple dozen miles?
If anything, this all makes even less sense than before. Which is probably what they (whoever 'they' are) want. Sigh.
|>>|| No. 61040
If you were covertly smuggling nerve toxins (or constituents thereof), I doubt you would carry it in a bottle labelled "DANGER NOVICHOK".
More likely you would use something innocent in appearance, and assuming the quantities involved, that would mean something like a perfume bottle. It is still a bit odd that it ended up in their hands though, and wasn't disposed of a bit more carefully.
(Maybe the woman had been moonlighting as a rubbish sorter at the local recycling centre.)
|>>|| No. 61041
The Russians obviously planted it to throw us off the scent.
It's not fucking rocket science. How dim can you be?
|>>|| No. 61043
It's simple. Skagheads are better at locating chemical weapons than the intelligence agencies.
|>>|| No. 61045
Doesn't the military conduct drug testing? Explains why they couldn't find shit in Iraq.
|>>|| No. 61046
Exactly. If we'd sent a team of drug addicts to Iraq they'd have found wmds in no time at all. They're like bloodhounds.
|>>|| No. 61143
FUCKS SAKE LADS THIS IS /IQ/ - LEFT OR RIGHT
LEFT WOULD BE MY FRIEND AT FIRST BUT AFTER A COUPLE OF SNOGS WOULD RUN AWAY FOR A TALL DUDE
RIGHT WOULD BE GREAT SHAG AT FIRST BUT SOON DESCEND INTO MISERY RENACTMENT
|>>|| No. 61150
I honestly had to squint to work out that the one on the right was indeed female
What is it about being over a BMI of 25 that seems to remove any identifying sexual dimorphism
|>>|| No. 61152
No way does that start at 25. You can approach 30 and wearing clothes it's not even obvious you're fat.
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