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>> No. 62370 Auntiefucker
3rd January 2019
Thursday 6:39 pm
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Seaborne Freight's the name.

Copying our terms & conditions from a takeaway website and winning multi-million pound shipping contracts whilst having no ships because we donate to the Tory party's the game.
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>> No. 62371 Ambulancelad
3rd January 2019
Thursday 6:53 pm
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Did they donate?
>> No. 62372 Searchfag
3rd January 2019
Thursday 7:00 pm
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There's said to be links between the firm and major party donors. If no deal brexit is avoided and the services of seaborne are no longer required then they still get to keep a decent amount of the money awarded to them. Not fishy at all.
>> No. 62373 Searchfag
3rd January 2019
Thursday 7:00 pm
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>On Wednesday, Transport Secretary Chris Grayling said the government had "looked very carefully" at the business.
>"We have put in place a tight contract to make sure they can deliver for us," he told the Today Programme.
>> No. 62374 Moralfag
3rd January 2019
Thursday 7:07 pm
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Now look lad, I like an argument over government mates unfairly getting contracts as much as the next person - but this part of the public argument doesn't wash, at all.

No airlines own their own planes - they are all leased/rented.
No bus companies have their own buses - all leased/rented.
Why would a shipping company own its own ships? Hardly any of the others do.
>> No. 62375 R4GE
3rd January 2019
Thursday 7:13 pm
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I share your pain. There's nothing more irritating to me than having people agree with you for the wrong reasons.
>> No. 62376 R4GE
3rd January 2019
Thursday 7:17 pm
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A bus company might not own any buses themselves, but they at least have buses at their disposal and the corresponding infrastructure. What do this company have? A policy in place if someone prank orders a prawn dhansak.
>> No. 62377 Samefag
3rd January 2019
Thursday 9:07 pm
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I'm ace at OpenTTD, where do I sign up for a million-pound contract? I'll even bung the Tories a fiver if it helps.
>> No. 62378 Ambulancelad
3rd January 2019
Thursday 9:25 pm
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Ownership of the ships isn't really the issue. At this stage, Seaborne have little more than an aspiration of being a freight operator. They don't have confirmed contracts for vessels, they don't have a functioning port and their website doesn't even work properly. They're planning on operating out of Ramsgate, but that port needs considerable upgrading to be capable of handling RoRo freight - the harbour isn't even deep enough to accommodate a ferry. As of April 2018, they had £799 in the bank, £35,000 worth of capital and £375,000 of liabilities. Several of the directors have been involved in shipping companies that have been forced into involuntary liquidation and one has been prosecuted for trading while insolvent. The company appears to fail even the most basic of due diligence tests. From what I've seen, you'd be better off giving the contract to some eager business studies students - at least they don't have a proven track record of fucking up shipping businesses.
>> No. 62379 R4GE
3rd January 2019
Thursday 9:36 pm
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Apparently at that time the company value was four digits, and two of those were after the decimal point. Someone on the dole could have bought it easily.
>> No. 62380 Ambulancelad
3rd January 2019
Thursday 11:28 pm
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>No airlines own their own planes - they are all leased/rented.
That's not true. Plenty of airlines own their own planes. It's true that leasing is a perfectly normal thing to do, especially for new planes, but ownership is equally a common option. My recollection is that nearly all of the Ryanair fleet is owned.
I'd judge trustworthiness by whether they've got their own captains, personally. A company that leases the vehicle but provides their own crew is a serious company, a company that pays to have their logo on someone else's operations is just a fucking nightmare waiting to happen.
>> No. 62381 Searchfag
4th January 2019
Friday 4:20 am
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RYANAIR own a lot of them - you're quite right on that point. They have recently started to lease/rent them though. Their model is slightly different in that they buy hundreds of exactly the same plane type at a big discount and then kit out their maintenance and hangars to support only that type (Boeing 737/Airbus A320). Most airlines don't do this and the lease/rent market is growing rapidly - over 60% of the planes run by airlines are leased/rented.

Shipping is a different market - hardly anyone owns their own ships. The Baltic Dry Index is really the leading indicator of shipping costs and is a fascinating place to start a late-night wikiwalk. Everyone rents.

I don't doubt that Seaborne Freight are utter cunts, given their piss-poor attempt at putting together a basic website and the background of the principals and company; but lets crucify them on that, or the government handing them the contract - not on basic semantics of the market they work in and the finance models of the assets they use. It's actually a good thing that they don't own any ships, when you think about it.
>> No. 62382 Auntiefucker
4th January 2019
Friday 7:25 pm
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>Shipping is a different market - hardly anyone owns their own ships.
No, you misunderstand. A tenant might not own their home, but they do undoubtedly have a home. Seaborne does not own any ships. They do not control any ships. They do not have any ships on lease. They do not have rights to any ships. They do not have options on any ships. They do not have access to any ships. They do not possess anything remotely resembling the capability to move anything across water.
>> No. 62383 Paedofag
4th January 2019
Friday 7:40 pm
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>They do not possess anything remotely resembling the capability to move anything across water.

Nah m8, they've got it covered.
>> No. 62411 Moralfag
5th January 2019
Saturday 1:37 pm
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I think the thing that gets me is this this will all just be completely ignored and allowed to go on. I just cannot fathom this - cock up after cock up, and nothing is ever done about it. We just allow shit like this to happen. There's a media storm for 24 hours and then that's it.
>> No. 62416 Searchfag
5th January 2019
Saturday 11:46 pm
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welcome to Britain
>> No. 62585 R4GE
9th February 2019
Saturday 7:59 am
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They've finally pulled the plug on the contract.

>> No. 62586 Billbob
9th February 2019
Saturday 9:56 am
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Yep, time to get on to
and start ferry.gs, grab some of that free-flowing brexit cash.
>> No. 62587 Billbob
9th February 2019
Saturday 10:22 am
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Hot damn, I love that site.


I think this is the kind of thing we should be aiming for. Any of you lads got $13m to hand?
>> No. 62588 R4GE
9th February 2019
Saturday 11:15 am
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I always like watching a government vigorously and verbosely defend a policy before having to see it go tits-up anyway.
>> No. 62589 Ambulancelad
9th February 2019
Saturday 11:27 am
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That looks a bit sensible. How about https://commercial.apolloduck.co.uk/boat/commercial-vessels-crew-boat/453346/3
for the gentleman in a hurry? Smuggling's going to be big business once we shut all the borders.
>> No. 62590 R4GE
9th February 2019
Saturday 12:29 pm
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Might need a paint job before you try and do anything sneaky with it. What's up with these chairs though? What was that boat originally intended for?
>> No. 62591 R4GE
9th February 2019
Saturday 12:55 pm
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>>62590 Nah, smuggling's best done unsubtly. Jet move a few MP's mistresses / gimps / whisky stashes for them, and you can do what you need.
It'll have been designed to move people, quickly. Most likely out to offshore installations like wind farms and oil platforms, where if you need a maintenance specialist in a hurry, you can afford to burn a lot of diesel. Hell, just a shift change can justify it - going to be cheaper, less risky and more weatherproof than flying them in.
Those seats will be massively damped and about as comfy as possible. Note that they're pointing backwards.
>> No. 62592 Paedofag
9th February 2019
Saturday 12:58 pm
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If we can't paint the smuggling ship in camouflage then I'm not playing.
>> No. 62593 Searchfag
10th February 2019
Sunday 7:04 am
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It's a "crew boat", they're used to ship things and people to and from oil platforms and the like.
>> No. 62594 Crabkiller
10th February 2019
Sunday 7:30 am
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If you paint a ship in camelflage then you'll just end up with other ships crashing into you.
>> No. 62595 Crabkiller
10th February 2019
Sunday 8:05 am
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Deeply upsetting, even in /iq/ - well played.
>> No. 62607 Searchfag
12th February 2019
Tuesday 4:32 am
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>The government is being sued for its decision to charter firms to run extra ferries, including one with no ships, in the event of a no-deal Brexit. Channel Tunnel operator Eurotunnel, said the contracts, revealed after Christmas, were decided in a "secretive and flawed procurement process".

>> No. 62669 Anonymous
1st March 2019
Friday 11:44 am
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>>62607 £33M here, £13.7M there, eventually it'll start to add up.

"Sources familiar with the case say the government was essentially "held over a barrel" by Eurotunnel, and was left with little choice but to settle."


useless cunts.
>> No. 62670 YubYub
1st March 2019
Friday 12:16 pm
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It's also in the news today that

>Problems with the partial privatisation of the probation system in England and Wales have cost taxpayers almost £500m, the government spending watchdog says.

>Under the changes, which began in 2013, firms were given contracts to supervise low and medium-risk offenders. The National Audit Office said reforms were "rushed" and the numbers returning to prison for breaching their licence conditions had since "skyrocketed".


They've rewritten it since I read it at breakfast, getting rid of all of the references to Chris Grayling in the article. Is he the most incompetent minister ever? He goes from one colossal fuck up to the next.

That revised article is also far less critical of the government, almost as if they've been influenced to change it.
>> No. 62671 R4GE
1st March 2019
Friday 12:50 pm
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Chris Grayling was supposed to have resigned ages ago, but he's so incompetent that instead of his letter, May received the menu from his favourite Indian takeaway.
>> No. 62672 YubYub
1st March 2019
Friday 12:51 pm
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Not really buying it. Who the fuck knows who was justice secretary six years ago? Referring to the year instead serves to contextualise the changes and their timeline far more effectively.
>> No. 62673 Auntiefucker
1st March 2019
Friday 12:56 pm
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Did grayling and may used to shag?

Why not mention both grayling and the year they started?
>> No. 62674 Paedofag
1st March 2019
Friday 1:02 pm
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I think Grayling might have tried to shag her, but being so incompetent he got his cock stuck in her ear.
>> No. 62675 Auntiefucker
1st March 2019
Friday 2:50 pm
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How do you square your conspiracy theory with the BBC's decision to write and prominently feature a story on nothing but Grayling's "record of mishaps and mistakes"?

>> No. 62676 Ambulancelad
1st March 2019
Friday 3:01 pm
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Deflecting the blame from the government solely onto failing grayling.
>> No. 63168 R4GE
26th April 2019
Friday 1:00 pm
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P&O Ferries is suing the government over its £33m settlement with Eurotunnel, in the latest controversy over the Department for Transport’s fraught no-deal Brexit preparations.

>> No. 63169 YubYub
26th April 2019
Friday 4:58 pm
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>P 'nd O
>Pee 'nd Ohh

They 'ferry' children into international waters, where the laws of man don't apply.

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