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|>>|| No. 63931
Someone was paid, most likely a fair bit of money, to come up with the idea of tackling knife crime by messages on fried chicken boxes.
|>>|| No. 63932
I know, right? What thought process leads someone to think that putting messages in places that most offenders and victims are likely to visit is a good idea?
|>>|| No. 63933
It would have to be in a food place which doesn't requite knives and forks or it would be confusing.
|>>|| No. 63935
What kind of puff goes to a fast food establishment and eats fried chicken with a knife and fork?
|>>|| No. 63936
>It would have to be in a food place which doesn't requite knives and forks
You mean like a chicken shop?
|>>|| No. 63937
That's what I meant. It would be odd if they'd done it somewhere else which required (typo the first time, sorry) a knife and fork, to be instructed to put the knife down.
|>>|| No. 63938
Do something a little less antisocial, like just disrupt traffic.
|>>|| No. 63939
I guess it's patronising, maybe, but people getting knifed outside chicken shops, young lads in London visit chicken shops. I thought black people loving fried chicken was more of an American stereotype anyway? I always considered it good taste, personally.
Is this just an ad campaign or are they making businesses sell chicken in boxes like that one?
|>>|| No. 63942
It's the actual home office.
>We are rolling out our #KnifeFree chicken boxes in over 210 chicken shops in England and Wales, including Morley’s, Dixy Chicken and Chicken Cottage. They use real life stories to show people how they can go #KnifeFree.
"Who is committing knife crime?"
"What do these blacks like to do, apart from stabbing people?"
"I saw something in the news about a black kid going around reviewing fried chicken on that YouTube."
"That's it, they like to eat fried chicken and use their street slang."
"That's it! We'll write on the boxes of their fried chicken why it would be 'peng' not to stab people."
"Trebles all round!"
|>>|| No. 63943
initially I agreed - youth of all colours end up in chicken shops on a night, anyone who's ever spent time in London or any other british city could tell you that.
But the way that the agency behind this specifically bangs on about the BAME demographic of chicken cottage etc does seem to imply some pretty uncomfortable conclusions.
Anyway I'm from up north where most people are white and people still get stabbed all the time so I don't really have much of an opinion.
|>>|| No. 63945
In London, the majority of those involved in knife crime (perps and vics) are under 25, of which two-thirds are black. We have kids getting knifed in and around chicken shops. We have kids being groomed in chicken shops, whether for gang violence, drug dealing, or sex trafficking.
|>>|| No. 63947
Is this real? There's no way that is genuine.
It's 01:00 on a Saturday morning. Our local high street hums of fried chicken. At Chicken Cottage - one of 3 chicken shops on the road, 8000 in London, and over 10,000 in the UK - business is booming.
Standing in line, there are art students, to hoodies, to pub-goers spilling out from last orders, to thirty-something hipsters. The lights are blinding, and the vibe, famished.
Attacking our fourth chunk, we wonder whether, in a world of polished advertising, campaign hashtags, and digital defiance, chicken shops have found a niche.
Never has there been an opportunity that can target the youth, ethnics and urban city audiences with ease. Never has there been an opportunity to target them at a time when they're traditionally hard to reach. Why has no one pushed the chicken across the road? Suddenly, a fellow diner leaps to his feet and approaches the counter. 'Oi Bossman! Give me six more wings! Man's chicken game is STRONG!’
He ain’t seen nothing yet.
|>>|| No. 63949
It appears to be real. I still can't get over them using the term 'ethnics'.
If this was a bit in nathan barley I'd have thought they'd gone too far into surrealism.
Also reading the rest of their site, they outright claim that advertising in chicken shops has 'never been done before' I'm sorry m8 but I've seen posters and screens and all sorts in Dixy etc for at least a decade.
|>>|| No. 63952
The problem with this is you move on from the menace of "blacks with knives" to the menace of "blacks on bikes."
(Skip to about 11:20)
(Skip to about 7:20)
Who knows what they'll move on to and ruin next?
|>>|| No. 63953
That might seem OTT but none of those little shits ignored her the next time she told them to do the dishes.
|>>|| No. 63955
BEING A NUISANCE IN TRAFFIC ON BIKES WAS INVENTED BY smug MIDDLE CLASS WHITE TWENTYSOMETHINGS, AND I'LL NOT HAVE MY CULTURE APPROPRIATED BY THESE BLACK CHILDREN FOR 'LIKES'.
|>>|| No. 63956
Today I learned that /IQ/ is such out of touch middle class middle england that they don't actually realise poor urban (and I mean urban not black) teen culture actually involves chicken shops so they cry dolphin rape.
#knifefree might look a bit hamfisted, but you try comming up with a way that convinces teenagers not to carry knives that they would actually listen to. Everyone instinctively knows at that age that weapons are cool, and that the streets are dangerous. The best they can hope for here is that is this campaign sparks a conversation between them and someone they will actually listen to.
Maybe those Brexit girls should talk about how knives turn them off of course then they will tell them that guys who support brexit turn them on, and we've got a new social problem.
|>>|| No. 63957
If we put jazz instruments into the hands of these misunderstood youngers instead of kitchen knives we'd have an entire generation of Mileses Davises and Charleses Minguses
|>>|| No. 63958
I really don't want to listen to pro-Brexit drill tracks being blasted on College Green. The "STOP BREXIT" tit is annoying enough on his own.
I don't know, they're harder to conceal, but I reckon you could still globber someone with a saxophone, even an alto, hard enough to do serious damage.
|>>|| No. 63959
>THAT THEY DON'T ACTUALLY REALISE POOR URBAN (AND I MEAN URBAN NOT BLACK) TEEN CULTURE ACTUALLY INVOLVES CHICKEN SHOPS
I knew that too, but look at the marketing website again. They're aiming it at 'ethnics' - their words. It's the rapiest dolphin I've seen in a while, despite the chicken shop being a universal constant.
|>>|| No. 63960
>#KNIFEFREE MIGHT LOOK A BIT HAMFISTED, BUT YOU TRY COMMING UP WITH A WAY THAT CONVINCES TEENAGERS NOT TO CARRY KNIVES THAT THEY WOULD ACTUALLY LISTEN TO
Stop and search. It worked in Glasgow.
|>>|| No. 63961
Being able to address 135% of the ethnic audiences makes them a compelling target.
|>>|| No. 63962
The issue is the reality is a lot of knife carriers in places like London or Birmingham are Black or Asian purely by class demographics, and you get into accusations of institutional dolphin rape then. It of course doesn't help that a lot of coppers probably are.
|>>|| No. 63966
Surely they could save more lives by closing down the chicken shops. Then all we need to do is shut the cash converters and bookies to finally slay the beast of the high-street.
>IT'S THE ACTUAL HOME OFFICE.
Ironically they had a stabbing in the Home Office yesterday. Maybe we got all this crime business backwards.
|>>|| No. 63968
Kano's last video was a) HYPE AS FUCK and b) carried a powerful message about youth violence. Why didn't the Home Office consult some people who are respected and influential in the young urban community?
The obvious answer to my hypothetical is that the Home Office don't actually care about reducing knife crime, don't want to address the complex socioeconomic causes of youth violence and just did something cheap and quick so they can say that they did something.
|>>|| No. 63969
I remember the Roll Deep one. I thought it was a bit confusing. Why does his little brother have a black eye at 2:34, then the "badman" goes nuts at George? Did George give the black eye?
|>>|| No. 63970
>KANO'S LAST VIDEO WAS HYPE AS FUCK
I always find it cringe worthy when you have white kids acting like they are black and adopting black, sorry 'urban', culture. Mainly a London thing.
|>>|| No. 63972
A lot of it simply boils down to shit parenting. The black community is notorious for absent fathers, so they look to gangs for a surrogate. Their macho culture doesn't help, either.
It's like the education system. You can try to make it everyone else's fault but the biggest factor is your parents. Poor Chinese and Indian kids do well because their parents enable them to succeed. Poor white kids do shit because their parents don't value the education system and have a crab pot mentality.
|>>|| No. 63975
This is the exact sort of hand wringing shipping forecasting that stops anything ever actually getting done. Middle class types are more bothered about looking racist. Anyone who actually has experience of the rougher areas of London knows that is mostly black kids and that they do, largely, enjoy fried chicken. It's a stereotype yes, but it's also true.
Wether or not putting a hashtag on a box will make any difference at all is another matter entirely.
|>>|| No. 63976
As Akala has pointed out at length, youth violence isn't a culture thing - black kids are no more likely to be involved in youth violence than white kids experiencing similar levels of deprivation.
It's a nonsense to talk about the increase in youth violence without also talking about austerity. When you have more children in poverty due to benefit cuts and fewer services to help young people due to local authority cuts, a rise in crime is almost inevitable.
|>>|| No. 63977
>It's a stereotype yes, but it's also true.
But doesn't everyone? Does anyone not like fried chicken? WHO ARE THESE PEOPLE AND HOW DO WE GET RID OF THEM!?!
|>>|| No. 63978
Do you get all of your information about da yoof via musicians from da streets? Plus, you've got to remember that in London a lot of white kids dress, act and speak like they're black.
Round where I live a lot of Asian kids get involved in drug dealing. They don't see the point of trying hard in school because they've seen dealers driving around their neighbourhoods in flash cars and want to emulate that. That's who their role models are. There's two reasons for this:-
1. Their parents are shit.
2. People think they can get away with it, also make serious money doing so. The reason crime has increased is because they don't believe the police will catch them. In essence there's no difference between joining a gang and illegally torrenting music. You do it because you like free shit and you feel like you'll get away with it, no matter how you try and dress it up.
It's not austerity's fault that people are generally becoming worse at parenting.
|>>|| No. 63979
>they don't believe the police will catch them.
>It's not austerity's fault
Yeah, no connection at all.
|>>|| No. 63980
It's not austerity's fault if people aren't being raised to know right from wrong properly. Stop making excuses for people and absolving them of even taking a modicum of responsibility.
If a lack of policing is all it takes for you to resort to criminality then your parents have clearly done a shit job. Would you go around robbing people at knifepoint if you thought you'd get away with it?
|>>|| No. 63981
People aren't becoming worse at parenting; young people from deprived backgrounds are correctly recognising that their chances of getting ahead in life are constantly dwindling. A dealer in a flash car holds very little allure if you've got a reasonable expectation that by working hard and getting the right qualifications, you can buy a flash car with legit money. You don't see Etonians stabbing each other outside chicken shops.
If you go to a shit school where most of the teachers don't give a fuck, if your mum works two jobs and still can't afford the rent, if your older cousin got a decent degree and still ended up working in a shoe shop, of course you're going to get disillusioned. Why bother playing by the rules if your daily experience constantly teaches you that people who play by the rules get shafted?
Social mobility has ground to a halt in this country and poor children are only too aware of it. A poor kid in the 60s or 70s stood a reasonable chance of getting on in life. We had good vocational training, we had well-paying skilled manual jobs, we had companies that promoted from the shop floor, we had grammar schools, scholarships and student grants. A poor kid today is pretty much comprehensively fucked and knows it - the generation before them pulled up the ladder by defunding pretty much all of the institutions that helped people to escape from intergenerational poverty.
|>>|| No. 63982
>PEOPLE AREN'T BECOMING WORSE AT PARENTING
Yes they are. Look at childhood obesity, for one.
|>>|| No. 63983
>WOULD YOU GO AROUND ROBBING PEOPLE AT KNIFEPOINT IF YOU THOUGHT YOU'D GET AWAY WITH IT?
No, because I can earn more legitimately than I ever could mugging people, and I have far more lucrative opportunities for dishonesty. Why risk going to jail for £20 and an iPhone with a cracked screen if you can make a fortune by fiddling the books or making dodgy deals with your old school chums?
I'm self employed. Literally everyone I know who is self employed fiddles their tax to some extent. Everyone knows the tricks - schedule a couple of speculative meetings while you're on holiday so it's tax-deductible, tip your taxi driver generously and ask for some blank receipts, hire your wife or your teenage son as an assistant to use up their tax allowance. We're all at it, we're all ripping off the exchequer to the tune of thousands of pounds a year, but nobody bats an eyelid. When HMRC caught out loads of people on the loan charge fiddle, some MPs joined their campaign for "justice" - the dickheads paid zero income tax for years, but the press is treating them like victims.
|>>|| No. 63984
>AS AKALA HAS POINTED OUT AT LENGTH
I don't listen to hiphop.
>DOES ANYONE NOT LIKE FRIED CHICKEN?
Fried chicken is cheap and greasy shit eaten exclusively by cheap and greasy shit people. The kinds of "people" who think pizza is a dinner.
So why is it that crims are still a minority of a given population? Could it be that they're just shit people, why is it some people can rise above the ghetto if institutions are shit?
|>>|| No. 63986
>So why is it that crims are still a minority of a given population? Could it be that they're just shit people, why is it some people can rise above the ghetto if institutions are shit?
It's a mixture of both. Your best and brightest are going to rise no matter what and your worst are going to sink The concen is everyone else and it becomes an exercise in percentages of who will rise and fall. We've made the base level of what you get by playing the game honestly so shit it isn't worth playing. I'm sure most people would straighten up and fly right at the promise of a self sufficient life style and ownership of a semi detached as an achievable goal but it isnt. Barely even for the best and brightest anymore. Essentially the state has violated the social contract by not sorting out the economy, and keeping up their half of the bargain. The people who don't own property become appricitively poorer every year. They've changed the rules in a way that for a lot the only winning move is not to play. The nice semi detached houses I grew up in by definition you would have to be a millionaire to own now. We are a long way away from the average house costing double the average annual wage. And if that's the pressure on the middle imagine the pressure on the bottom.
I've started resenting people who can get council houses as spoilt lottery winners that's how shit society has gotten at the bottom.
|>>|| No. 63987
We've spent the last ten years decimating the institutions that helped people lift themselves up in the world. At least 1,000 Sure Start centres have closed since 2010, so young mums have nowhere to go if they want to learn how to be a better parent. Likewise, cuts to community health services and social services mean more kids are growing up in poor health and suffering from neglect or abuse. CAMHS has faced real-terms cuts despite a huge increase in demand, so more kids with mental health problems are having to struggle on without the help they need. Further education has faced real-terms cuts of nearly 30%, which has primarily affected people who have been failed by the education system and need a second chance.
Perhaps above all, the rate of child poverty has been hugely increasing due to stagnant wages, rising rents and benefit cuts. Poverty has a massively negative effect on both parents and children - it's harder to be a good parent if you're constantly worrying about money and children absorb the stress around them. Growing up in poverty has a severe and lasting effect on your ability to concentrate, solve problems and plan for the future.
|>>|| No. 63988
A person sent to prison is more likely to have 46 previous convictions (10%) than none (<8%). Bearing in mind that the majority of burglaries don't result in an arrest, the Home Office has previously estimated that the average person sent to prison has committed well over a hundred offences in the year before being sent down.
Roughly half of prisoners are 'career' criminals and the other half are serious violent offenders.
The simplest and most effective way to reduce crime is to lock up repeat offenders rather than giving them non custodial sentences. If you follow the Home Office estimate then locking ten of these up for a year would prevent at least a thousand crimes being committed.
|>>|| No. 63992
They clearly set out to prove a point with this data, so I think that name is bullshit, even if it were true.
|>>|| No. 63993
How is that clear? Would you say the same if the results showed a different story? Do you think people should just be collecting random data on random subjects and just seeing what comes out of it?
|>>|| No. 63994
In theory that is what good science is. In reality no one would ever fund you.
|>>|| No. 63996
Right, but I'm still not sure how you can fudge or bias data like how poor a child is.
|>>|| No. 63997
The only people trying to fudge poverty data are bleeding heart guardian types or charities where it's in their best interests for it to be getting worse so they can get more funding. They love to move the goalposts on this. We'll soon reach the point where anyone who doesn't own a Bentley and have a chauffeur to drive it is defined as being in poverty.
|>>|| No. 63998
The poverty line has stayed the same. The cost of living has increased. Looking at one graph in isolation doesn't prove anything.
I'm not a hand wringing guardian type, I'm the type who fully understands darkies do the stabbing and eat fuckloads of fried chicken. But their problems are cultural as well as political and economic. It does nobody any good to try and blame one thing and one thing alone, because it makes them feel uncomfortable exploring the impact of other factors.
Left wingers don't want to admit black people might need a sitting down and telling how to raise their kids not to be thugs. Right wing people don't want to admit their economic policies are clearly and obviously worsening the situation. Politicians in general don't want to admit they've been steadfastly ignoring any and all opportunity to deal with issues like this at the core of our society for fucking decades.
|>>|| No. 63999
People like the "one neat trick that solves complex societal problem" rather than the nuanced incremental changes, or at least the media do because it's easier to get their heads around and report on a radical quick fix.
Politicians also love something that can be condensed into a sound bite. At the current time, unsurprisingly, most of the noise is about A Levels and university admissions; Labour want students to apply to university after they have their results because they claim that poorer students are most likely to have their grades predicted too low and will end up accepting an unconditional offer from a 'lesser' university than they would be admitted to based on their actual grades.
This appears to be a good thing but in isolation it is an oversimplification of a wider and more complex issue. We should also be asking why teachers in disadvantaged areas are much more likely to under-predict the grades of their students; the Sutton trust found that they tend to have the greatest misconceptions about Oxbridge and are far less likely to encourage pupils to study there. Are they more jaded and does this rub off into their teaching? Do they have much less belief and optimism for their students? Are they less engaged with their students, perhaps due to larger class sizes and more disruptive children, so they don't actually know them well enough to predict their grades with as much accuracy? If we want to emulate the likes of Finland then it's clear that we need to be almost halving class sizes. We should also be asking whether students from poorer backgrounds are given even support to understand how important where you study actually is and that a degree from the university of Manchester is far more valuable than a degree from Manchester met. We should be asking whether we have too many 'lesser' institutions and if some of these should be converted into polys. We should be asking why so many universities are making unconditional offers in the first place. We should be asking whether too many students are going to university. You get the idea, otherwise you're just papering over the cracks.
|>>|| No. 64075
Targeting chicken shops was racist, they said.
>Man dies after Lewisham chicken shop fight
>A man has died after a fight at a chicken shop in London.
>The Met said two men suffered stab wounds and head injuries in a fight in Downham Way, Lewisham, at about 23:55 BST on Friday.
|>>|| No. 64082
But was this chicken shop participating in #knifefree?
It might well have saved somebody's life.
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