It really is quite remarkable how big game of thrones was and how it has been almost completely wiped from public consciousness because of how bad the last series of it were.
He said he supports civil unions which is something that has nothing to do with the church. Two people getting married in the eyes of state not God.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-54627625
It's just one of those quotes you can take out of context. Anyway, the only Pope for me is Lenny.
CATHOLIC LAD HERE, THE NEWS ON THE POPE IS NOT TRUE AS FAR AS I CAN TELL. EITHER THE CATHOLIC CHURCH ARE BACKPEDALING, OR, Intentionally OR Unintentionally, THERE HAS BEEN A MISTRANSLATION. THIS IS FREQUENTLY A PROBLEM WITH MEDIA ESTABLISHMENTS THAT CALL THEMSELVES PROGRESSIVE, WESTERN EUROPEAN AND ANGLICAN COUNTRIES HAVE BEEN DOING THIS FREQUENTLY OVER THE LAST DECADE. THE DISPUTE SEEMS TO BE OVER WHETHER OR NOT THE POPE SAID CIVIL PARTNERSHIP, OR CIVIL COEXISTENCE. THIS IS ANOTHER REASON WHY CATHOLICS SHOULD LEARN LATIN, A UNIVERSAL LANGUAGE THAT IS DEAD, MEANING WORDS LIKELY WON'T BE CHANGED AND THINGS CAN BE SAID WITH CLARITY.
AS A SIDE NOTE, IT'S BEEN LONG KNOWN THAT PEOPLE WHO ARE HOMOSEXUALS OFTEN JOIN THE CLERGY. IT'S A WAY FOR MEN OF THAT INCLINATION TO BE PART OF THE COMMUNITY WITHOUT NECESSARILY BEING FORCED INTO MARRIAGE, AND HETEROSEXUAL SEX, CLOSING THEIR EYES AND THINKING OF ENGLAND.
ALSO, I DON'T THINK ANYONE REALLY GIVES A SHIT. THE RAINBOW SHIT AND MY LOCAL SAINSBURY'S IS PRETTY UGLY LOOKING MIND.
>>67035 THIS IS ANOTHER REASON WHY CATHOLICS SHOULD LEARN LATIN, A UNIVERSAL LANGUAGE THAT IS DEAD, MEANING WORDS LIKELY WON'T BE CHANGED AND THINGS CAN BE SAID WITH CLARITY.
>AS A SIDE NOTE, IT'S BEEN LONG KNOWN THAT PEOPLE WHO ARE HOMOSEXUALS OFTEN JOIN THE CLERGY.
This line of reasoning is so similar to eskimos & Shamanism, that I find it surprising. I guess, all Abrahamic religions are the same when you strip it down.
>>67035 You sound like you're in denial. I accept there is a difference between the Pope and the Catholic Church itself, but it would appear he is actually pretty progressive, and has been for some time. I found this Guardian article interesting.
>THIS LINE OF REASONING IS SO SIMILAR TO ESKIMOS & SHAMANISM, THAT I FIND IT SURPRISING. I GUESS, ALL ABRAHAMIC RELIGIONS ARE THE SAME WHEN YOU STRIP IT DOWN.
Not the same, the point I was trying to make was that the pope appears to have been mis-translated here, at least that's what a lot of people are saying, I've only had a cursory glance. The scriptures could not be clearer in the stance Christians should maintain on the existence of homosexuality. The sin is not in being a homosexual, It's acting upon the desire.
But yes, there are many similarities. The Catholic bible does contain the entirety of the Jewish Tanakh. The northern lights tells many of the same stories, although many of them are shortened and missing key information. They're also in the wrong order, with it being the newest of the three it was put together in more of a slap dash way considering Mozza was illiterate and relied on scribes to write. And then there's the whole business of mozza claiming to be a profit through violence that I disagree with.
>>67037 Yes I would agree, he is quite. I'm in no doubt that he holds that opinion if he says he does. I feel like you've only heard one side of the story here though. There's a lot of controversy going back to the 1960s here.
Here are some words by Cardinal Burke you may find interesting.
To summarise, the scriptures hold authority over the pope, his personal opinions are irrelevant.
I'm also a bit iffy when it comes to the Guardian these days. I cancelled my subscription a few years ago, I found I was fact checking articles particularly relating to financial issues too often. It got annoying. Why am I paying for information that I have to fact check.
>>67039 >ALTHOUGH MANY OF THEM ARE SHORTENED AND MISSING KEY INFORMATION.
It's the other way around, mate. The Bible is a fifth true, but has a lot of made up info added. You even have newer version to fit with the times for protestants, and you have the Pope watering down the scriptures to appeal to our "refined" morality. I mean, do you agree with the verses that state that homosexuals should be put to the death (if they act on it)?
Anyway, it is too late, you can't go back now. Since Jesus spoke Aramaic/Hebrew, and the first scriptures were in that language. Your Latin scriptures are still as bad as any mis-translated versions of your Bible.
>THEY'RE ALSO IN THE WRONG ORDER
You got the order wrong. It is from the longest to the shortest.
>IT'S THE OTHER WAY AROUND, MATE. THE BIBLE IS A FIFTH TRUE, BUT HAS A LOT OF MADE UP INFO ADDED.
Feels like you're trying to troll a religious fundamentalist here. The history of the books within the bible is pretty interesting, and well documented. We can tell which versions are more or less accurate by earlier versions and reading between translations. Many of the stories, in Genesis especially, predate ancient Egypt. As to what is and is not true, the closer you get to the start of the book, the less physical evidence we have for the events. A lot of the physical proof we have for tribes and kingdoms mentioned within the bible have been imbued with mythology and legends that have existed for millennia.
At Catholics schools, (at least for me and my kids) we're not taught to take to the bible with the use of the scientific method, measuring what is materially true. Just like you wouldn't go to the theater to watch a group of actors act out a text book on how to code in basic. It's philosophical and theological, mythology and legend set an example. The parables of Christ function as a puzzles for us to learn from.
Take one of Aesop's fables, the moral of the story in that image is that in failing to prepare, you are preparing to fail. A basic story with a basic message. I don't think that grasshoppers can play the violin, but I can extract the truth from the fictional fable. This is a simple example, parables in the bible are a lot more dense and harder to figure out.
>YOU EVEN HAVE NEWER VERSION TO FIT WITH THE TIMES FOR PROTESTANTS, AND YOU HAVE THE POPE WATERING DOWN THE SCRIPTURES TO APPEAL TO OUR "REFINED" MORALITY.
Yes, anyone can found a church. There are many sects within the religion of Christianity. Bible scholars contend over what books they believe to be relevant and irrelevant. Protestant bibles don't contain the deuterocanonical books for example. Jews don't consider Christ to be a prophet so there's no New Testament. Pope Francis is not considered a pope by many, and he's clearly trying to appeal to a demographic that aren't interested.
>I MEAN, DO YOU AGREE WITH THE VERSES THAT STATE THAT HOMOSEXUALS SHOULD BE PUT TO THE DEATH (IF THEY ACT ON IT)?
No, this is not a Catholic teaching, or even a Christian one. The teachings in the new testament hold authority over the sins committed by the prophets in the old testament in the eyes of Christians. The old testament gives context to the new testament. Jesus was the prophet that the Jews had been waiting for, he dies for their sins, this is basic stuff if you learn a little about the religion. The anti gay thing and the slavery arguments that are often made display ignorance more than anything else.
>ANYWAY, IT IS TOO LATE, YOU CAN'T GO BACK NOW. SINCE JESUS SPOKE ARAMAIC/HEBREW, AND THE FIRST SCRIPTURES WERE IN THAT LANGUAGE. YOUR LATIN SCRIPTURES ARE STILL AS BAD AS ANY MIS-TRANSLATED VERSIONS OF YOUR BIBLE.
At no point was I trying to be a pedant over bible translations. I was claiming that Pope Francis himself, as a living man, was mistranslated. He said something in Spanish, and some claimed he was misrepresented in English by publications. Or at least that's what I read. Scroll over my comments again, you're not paying attention to what I'm actually saying. The English Standard version of the bible is a good version, in plain English. Many protestants read from it.
>YOU GOT THE ORDER WRONG. IT IS FROM THE LONGEST TO THE SHORTEST.
Obvious trolling aside, the order of the books, and the stories within the books, is something that the Hebrews took a lot of care in crafting together, It's pretty interesting. The Tanakh, or the Old Testament as part of the Catholic bible, is the most read and published text in human history. It's a collection of many books from different geographical locations and time periods telling a consistent story throughout. There are many literary narratives carefully woven together by the Israelite tribes and when the stories are changed in anyway it breaks the patterns. Look into 'flood myth' one example of many, this is the most obvious one in the bible, reoccurring time and time again as a warning. This is something that scholars will debate and argue over to no end.
>>67042 >Look into 'flood myth' one example of many, this is the most obvious one in the bible, reoccurring time and time again as a warning.
If anyone needs proof of the bible's validity they need look no further than this; how else could they have predicted Halo?
>The English Standard version of the bible is a good version
There is no English Standard Version. There's an American Standard Version, a Revised Standard Version, a New Revised Standard Version and Catholic editions of the latter two; Proddy bibles are in a different order and have seven fewer books. A significant number of Catholics consider anything but the Douay-Rheims to be blasphemous.
In terms of the historical reliability of the new testament, I can only refer to the wild contradictions in the accounts of the resurrection - the gospels can't even get their stories straight about the defining event in Christian mythology.
>>67044 Are you suggesting that relgious nuts >>67042 make it up as they go along and use religion to fit their view, and only their view, of the world? NO WAY.
I want the Catholic Church to admit that 99% of those pre-Constantinian martyrs and saints are absolute bollocks. Also that it's a wealth hoarding, carpet-bagger-enabling, relic that is incompatible with the Star Trek utopia anyone with a brain should be trying to forge.
Not an expert on this. I thought that these are a modernized version of the King James classic that influenced Britain so much.
But yeah, the claims, they're pretty out there. There's an American atheist who wrote a few books on how coming back from the dead can happen. His name slips my mind, I'll post when I remember. Near death experiences are a thing, with people being dead for a number of minutes and then coming back. And apparently the body can take being stabbed in certain parts with some interesting outcomes regarding leaking fluids. I generally don't over think it though. It's a cultural back bone that offers a lot of value regardless of how much can be proven. I have noticed that a lot of the scriptures in Catholic bibles aren't in earlier versions. Things definitely have been added regarding some of the more supernatural claims.
You can interpret anything an infinite number of ways. The Catholic bible, along with Aristotelian writings function as anchors that tie down Western cultured countries particularly, but there's slack to the rope. Hence argument and debate.
Tom Holland has been going over what a lot of teens learn from my background. His books are quite excellent.
>>67051 I'm just amused that the flood story being retold after the bible as well as it predating the bible both seem to be taken as affirmations of the biblical truth. It's a nice character he's whipped up.
I'm well aware of the existence of stories existing before and after the composition of the Jewish bible. You're assuming things so that you can gloat, you shallow fuckers.
