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>> No. 4012 Anonymous
14th December 2012
Friday 9:36 am
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Applying for JSA links
Both are a little out of date.
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>> No. 13509 Anonymous
20th August 2020
Thursday 3:52 pm
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Would you turn up at a food bank and lie when your cupboards at home were full?
>> No. 13510 Anonymous
20th August 2020
Thursday 8:46 pm
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I don't think it is ridiculous when their stated mission is to help people without degrees - why should you jump the queue when you've already had that opportunity?
>> No. 13768 Anonymous
2nd April 2021
Friday 12:22 am
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>>13507 Yes if you have a degree then you can't do an apprenticeship.
>> No. 14057 Anonymous
3rd October 2021
Sunday 8:01 pm
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I can't seem to find how much NI I need to pay to qualify for JSA. In the last year I paid NI for 7 months of work, but they are my only contributions. Not sure if that is enough.

>> No. 1795 Anonymous
27th May 2011
Friday 6:32 pm
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ITT: Workplace annoyances.

I'll get the ball rolling - having to bring in pastries on your birthday. I know it's cheaper if people bring their own in on their birthday instead of chipping in every time someone in the office has a birthday, but it's still fucking annoying having to fork out on your birthday.
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>> No. 14097 Anonymous
19th October 2021
Tuesday 5:21 am
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If you want a decent pay rise you have to job hop. A company won't pay you more than they feel they have to if you stay.
>> No. 14098 Anonymous
19th October 2021
Tuesday 5:41 am
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How do you think the NHS lot feel.

Not that that makes it any better, you are right; but there are people out there getting shafted far worse, and they're people who we should all be FAR more thankful for.

If you really are that important to the company, why don't you just play hardball and demand more or else you'll walk out? If you're too afraid they'll call your bluff then, well, ball's in their court isn't it.
>> No. 14099 Anonymous
19th October 2021
Tuesday 11:30 am
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This is harsh, but I think largely correct. My experience has been that the only leverage I have is the ability to leave for something better.

It kind of fits with my observations of the economy and power structures at work. We have little to no negotiating power through unions anymore. Loyalty is very clearly not valued at the majority of companies, as evidenced by the occasional "downsizing", purge of older staff, or unfair dismissal. Interpersonal relationships, arse-kissing, and general schmoozing might grant you some security and the occasional act of favouritism, but I don't think it's a viable way to plan a career. "Personal development" within a firm is often a bad joke, either through indifference, mismanagement, or very obviously being set up to benefit the company rather than the employee. Why on earth would it be otherwise? Provided you continue to show up and do your work, what incentive does a company actually have to care about what you, the individual, aspires to?

Since otherlad brought up the NHS, I will say in its favour that despite the majority of its staff being massively underpaid and undervalued, they do at least have a very transparent grading and promotion system so you know what to do to the next payband. Since going to the private sector, I've had to get used to some proper Wild West bullshit in which you're marketing yourself like a commodity to the highest bidder.

I don't mean to sound cynical, but I genuinely can't think of a reason why my employer would care whether I can afford a house or whether I'm bored every day, beyond it affecting my ability to continue doing what they want me to do. Any rhetoric layered on top of this very apparent basic arrangement is just management guff.
>> No. 14100 Anonymous
19th October 2021
Tuesday 5:49 pm
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I think I just accidentally talked myself into doing security auditing for work, I brought it up fairly casually in a meeting and now the site owners are adopting an "oh yeah? PROVE IT" attitude to stuff that could very easily be verified by just looking around themselves, and my company is into it because they're weirdos who think making extra work for service providers is a good idea.
>> No. 14101 Anonymous
20th October 2021
Wednesday 12:46 pm
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I've had an 8 page booklet through the post from HSL to let me know they're hiring and explaining why I should go and work for them. I guess the staffing shortages are really starting to bite.

>> No. 14037 Anonymous
17th September 2021
Friday 6:22 pm
14037 Career guidance after being a reclusive NEET for a few years
I graduated from an Oxbridge uni two years ago with a 2.ii after getting mad depressed and smoking zoots constantly, totally squandering my time there.
Been two years and I'm still zooting away my problems, but I'm now a mid-20s zero-CV NEET and have no idea what to do.

How do I achieve a useful career now that I'm post-uni with no work experience, semi poor grades and getting on a bit compared to the fresh 21y/o grads.

Any ideas? Maybe just some spiritual guidance.

Thanks chaps
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>> No. 14047 Anonymous
18th September 2021
Saturday 6:20 pm
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NHS m8. Get yourself a job as a bottom bitch lab assistant or pharmacy technician, your qualification will enable you to actually progress from there (potentially with taking additional modules/certificaations etc).
>> No. 14048 Anonymous
18th September 2021
Saturday 6:25 pm
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It's probably still worth trying the networking thing. Don't ask the people you know, but if you can find someone you don't know but who went to the same...house? College? as you, you can just talk about that during the interview and let them assume you were one of the gang. LinkedIn probably has lots of this information listed.
>> No. 14049 Anonymous
18th September 2021
Saturday 7:16 pm
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Teaching is also an option, if that appeals. Chemistry graduates can claim a bursary of £24,000 to train as a teacher.

>> No. 14055 Anonymous
19th September 2021
Sunday 4:54 pm
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Teaching is definitely a possbility. With an ever-increasing gap on his CV, OP will struggle to land a private-sector job worthy of his formal education, but all is not lost if he's still in his mid-20s.

In the mean time, I would go on the lookout for any job at all that gets you out of the house every day and gets you at least a few hundred quid a month. Two years is a long time to not be doing much of anything. It's not just two years of non-existing job experience, but possible employers will also be skeptical if you can just hit the ground running and get back into an everyday work routine from one day to the next.

There are jobs that can ease you back into a daily routine. You could do part-time work delivering food, or some low-level customer phone support. You don't have to work in a warehouse or supermarket.
>> No. 14056 Anonymous
19th September 2021
Sunday 7:27 pm
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There's a whole world of civil service jobs out there with an application process designed to cut out connections. If I remember right sifters and interviewers don't actually see your job history either because they certainly hired me with a year gap. Apply for HEO and at a push SEO unless you have management experience. Pay is shit but you can get a nice/work life balance in a very secure job that looks good on your CV if you ever want to escape, plus you're not selling rubbish to people all day.

If anything the problem we have is that not enough people apply and of those they seem unable to provide answers to the competencies so posts just go unfilled. I don't think it would be wrong if you asked for advice on competencies if you need it. Saged ticked because I don't know if I should be recruiting arse-pissers.

>> No. 14035 Anonymous
17th September 2021
Friday 2:36 pm
14035 IT Career Guidance
I feel lost as to where to go in my career. I don't enjoy what I do and I've amassed what seems to be a quite mismatched skillset that I don't know how to employ.

I currently work as a QA Tester and have done for nearing 3 years. I was late to university as I was very sick for my early 20s, then did a computer science degree and joined a 2 year grad scheme which at the exact end of the scheme and mid pandemic, made every single QA person redundant. I've since joined another company as a tester but frankly its far less interesting/technical work than I was doing and is mind-numbingly boring and simple (almost entirely manual). I knew what I was getting into but needed the pay to survive.

Is there such thing as a proper IT career guidance counsellor?

I think I know the landscape of where I can go test wise quite well. For more interesting and future proofed work it would be to go full force into test automation, automation engineering, a dev-ops type role, or maybe even a developer role. I hate the idea of becoming a manager and I don't think a full time programming role is for me either. But outside of test, I really don't know what I can work towards.

And like I said, my skillset seems pretty all over the shop. In part because I find a lot of things interesting and go and down my own research/play about. In nearly all of these I have the basics down and no more:

Manual test experience and HP ALM/QC , Azure DevOps.
Bash scripting.
Unix system architecture.
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>> No. 14050 Anonymous
18th September 2021
Saturday 9:31 pm
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Thanks for your insight. To be honest a DevOps role is something I've had my eye on. Not just for the pay but because as said, my role as a (mostly) manual tester is rote by nature, boring and stagnant. Do you have any advice please for someone with my skillset (or lack thereof) in pursuing a devops career?

It feels incredibly daunting, but on places like reddit I'm seeing people 'go from qa to devops in a year' so it can't be impossible...
>> No. 14051 Anonymous
18th September 2021
Saturday 10:10 pm
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I can help with that; my job title is Head of DevOps for a big organisation.

1. Learn to script - python is great. You need to be able to automate almost anything you used to do on a command line. I can recommend educative.io

2. Do cloud stuff in your spare time. Get both the basic AWS and Azure accounts. Learn how to deploy a basic Windows and Linux server - then do it purely via code. You'll want to learn Terraform as it's almost an industry standard now, but Pulumi is also being strongly adopted. AWS is still way better than Azure and used in more companies, but in the beginning that matters less.

3. Learn how to build pipelines and run CI/CD toolchains - again, you can do this in Azure DevOps or AWS CodePipeline.

4. Learn to Docker and Kubernetes.
>> No. 14052 Anonymous
18th September 2021
Saturday 10:29 pm
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There's lucky that the other two of you work in incredibly relevant roles.

Thanks a lot for the help, really appreciate it. It feels good to have point 1, mostly, down already. I also have the AWS Cloud Practitioner although that's quite the meme cert I'm aware.

One question; I was told there is no such thing as a 'junior' dev-ops engineer, as the field itself requires a level of knowledge that a typical junior XYZ wouldn't have yet. Is that true? Or are there some forgiving entry level devops roles?
>> No. 14053 Anonymous
19th September 2021
Sunday 6:06 am
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Just a tiny question: what's the diffrerence between sys admin, DevOps and SRE in your mind?
>> No. 14054 Anonymous
19th September 2021
Sunday 6:42 am
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Version 0. System Administration
Version 1. DevOps
Version 2. DevSecOps
Version 3. Site Reliabilty Engineering

I have absolutely no doubt whatsoever that SRE is a better practice than DevOps, because it is very well defined - there is an actual book and set of definitions - Google have done a superb job with it. There are huge overlap in the ideas - SRE is an instance of DevOps.

SRE solves some of the problems that people have conceptually when they encounter DevOps ideas for the first time. Most advanced technology organisations who have adopted DevOps principles have seen the issues around information security (and have therefore adopted a more DevSecOps mindset) and are rapidly moving toward SRE, because operationally it is better.

So to answer your question precisely - it's a progession and it's somewhat difficult to skip the stages. If you know nothing about the challenges around development and system administration, then you're unlikely to appreciate DevOps. If you haven't done DevOps, then you're unlikely to appreciate why you want to quickly get to DevSecOps. If you haven't seen any of these challenges in a production environment, then SRE will seem quite academic.

>> No. 14029 Anonymous
16th September 2021
Thursday 9:25 pm
14029 References
I am in the process for getting a new job. However, I'm scared that in my previous job I was dismissed due to poor attendance, and I don't want to put them as a reference as it wouldn't look good to the prospective employer that I was off for an extended period (all the time with doctor's notes, for a long term disability that my managers were aware of). Do I ask for a reference from a job further back, or does that look dodgy? Or do I say up front in the interview "I was off sick a lot because I was ill but now I'm not so don't worry"?
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>> No. 14030 Anonymous
16th September 2021
Thursday 10:33 pm
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In the current climate, employers in most fields are desperate for staff and can't afford to be picky. I think you're better off being straight rather than trying to hide anything - it won't come back to bite you in the arse, you probably don't want to work for someone who would discriminate on health grounds and there are loads of jobs going at the moment if it falls through.
>> No. 14031 Anonymous
16th September 2021
Thursday 10:46 pm
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>all the time with doctor's notes, for a long term disability that my managers were aware of

I would still tell a prospective new employer. What else are you going to tell them that you did all day the last few years or however long you were at your old job. You didn't just play hooky, you had valid reasons to be off work. Even if they let you go. Honesty is still a currency at job interviews, at least if you can offer a reasonable explanation.

Do make sure to emphasize that your health problems are behind you now, and that it was really just some improbably bad luck that you were gone from your work repeatedly. Maybe even get a note from your doctor confirming that you're all better now.
>> No. 14032 Anonymous
17th September 2021
Friday 12:35 am
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> Do make sure to emphasize that your health problems are behind you now

I would lead with that when/if you bring it up. Something to the effect of "Though it is behind me now thanks to the fantastic treatmeant I received from XYZ, I was forced to take extended time off which I communicated to my managers at the time". Rephrase that, of course, but you get the gist. Depending on how competitive your field is you want to make sure that the person reading your CV (if it's a machine, then god help you) is forwarned of any red flags so they can contextualise them before they form an unfavourable opinion.

We (more or less) only hire people with a few years experience, and for those we only call on the references if they make extraordinary claims: "I worked in the maintenance crew for the Eiffel Tower and single-handedly dismantled and re-riveted the structure in under 6 hours while a team of painters did their thing to keep up".

But your mileage may vary by a country mile depending on your industry.
>> No. 14033 Anonymous
17th September 2021
Friday 12:58 am
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>if it's a machine, then god help you

I generally don't apply for jobs where HR think they can't even be arsed to have a human working out if you're a promising candidate. I know that that increasingly rules out a lot of major companies these days, but I've found that I am most comfortable working for smaller companies anyway, where people are a tight-knit group and aren't at the whim of management many levels of hierarchy above them. Smaller companies haven't quite adopted that technology yet in large numbers.

I applied for a job at a big tech service provider before the pandemic, and I got an e-mail telling me to call a number for a phone interview. Which turned out to be fully computerised. What the actual fuck. I hung up about four or five minutes in, after a few somewhat inane questions their computer saw fit to ask me, because if they can't find the time to talk to you on the phone in person, i.e. if no actual fucking human at their company can manage to take ten minutes out of their day to have a personal chat with you, then they aren't worth my time either.

Self sage for thread derailment.
>> No. 14034 Anonymous
17th September 2021
Friday 12:41 pm
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Don't you have a work mate? Give their details and let them act as your previous manager.

>> No. 14015 Anonymous
12th September 2021
Sunday 9:05 pm
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I'm in a career pickle. I can't be fucked with my current job, it has become a job, I've delivered a major project and now I'm left what is boring corporate work to do that has the audacity to be equally demanding as it is tedious. I'm actually worse at it because I just don't care.

I have two options:
A) Apply for a job that I know I can easily get. This is interesting work on my current career level and working with people I know. If I get it I'll be committed to working there for 18 months.

B) Go for the next step on the career ladder which is in proper management. I know I have the experience and skills for this, I've met management, but jumping through all the flaming hoops will be hard and I already fluffed one interview. Still it's my career ambition and the people I've worked with outrank me now which is annoying. Also money.

What's a man to do?
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>> No. 14017 Anonymous
12th September 2021
Sunday 9:35 pm
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I'm just weaseling my way out of a similar pickle myself, with the exception that my option A turned out to be de facto permanent so it became a no-brainer for me.

That 18-month contract really is a big leap of faith, isn't it? Or are you confident you'll walk straight into further work (if you need it) after that term ends?

Similarly, if that fixed-term job (or others just like it) are going to continue to be available to you, then where's the harm in pushing for management role, and just keeping contracting as a back-burner option? Like you said, it is your career ambition, but if you've had a small taste of corporate work and don't like it, it might be best to find out if management is right for you sooner rather than later.

>it has become a job
The worst. Hopefully you get some respite and some clarity before too long.
>> No. 14018 Anonymous
12th September 2021
Sunday 10:17 pm
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Ah it's the opposite; I'd commit to working there for 18 months minimum as part of the contract but it's a permanent posting so I could stay forever if I was so inclined. In theory management jobs could open up in office and thereby dodge the 18 month handcuffs but I doubt it will happen so soon after a round of recruitment unless I kill someone.

The harm comes from staying in my job now while I wait for an offer on management somewhere. That would likely be January before I pull it off.
>> No. 14019 Anonymous
12th September 2021
Sunday 10:48 pm
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I think only you can answer how much you want to commit to the corporate management thing. You say it's your career goal, but it doesn't sound like you're very much into that side of the game.

For me, I'm at a point both mentally and financially where I will always chase the fun or interesting rather than the lucrative. I could/should be chasing bigger upper management or even board positions, but I think once I'm taken away from the actual work we do, once my boots are off the ground and sat in some corner office, I know it'll become work, as you say.

I suppose it depends how much freedom you'd have in the latter role, leading a project can sometimes be as good as working it. I'm not really supposed to wander around sites the way I do, but it's my job and nobody can or will stop me. If your environment is a bit more limiting then perhaps the honest work is the best route.

If you are honest with yourself and find that the true driving force is that you just think you "should" be climbing the ladder, because thats what your peers are doing, then it's time to take a step back and take stock.

>> No. 13914 Anonymous
16th July 2021
Friday 7:44 am
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Hello folks.

Any tips for finding an entry-level (ish), remote job in either 2D animation or graphic design, for a qualified person/artist. Naturally doing the usual trawl through indeed.co.uk, but it's not getting me anywhere in particular.
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>> No. 13917 Anonymous
16th July 2021
Friday 8:32 am
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You'll have to do your best as a freelancer of sorts to get started out in this sort of field. You have to build up a portfolio you can demonstrate to potential employers before they'll even look at you.

My missus has made her living as an artist for most of the last decade, and she'd probably be able to wipe the floor with most of the cunts who actually get the jobs. But when 90% of your paying work was porn they don't seem to think it counts. Nonsense if you ask me, it just shows she knows where the business is.
>> No. 13918 Anonymous
16th July 2021
Friday 8:36 am
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Nice. I do have a decent portfolio, for illustration and animation. Not enough widget-y things for graphic/UI design. Can you ask your missus where she found her work?
>> No. 13919 Anonymous
16th July 2021
Friday 8:41 am
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If you go in Reddit there's quite a few subs for artists open for commissions. It seems Septics have a lot of disposable income to throw at fantasy porn
>> No. 13920 Anonymous
16th July 2021
Friday 4:04 pm
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>> No. 13921 Anonymous
16th July 2021
Friday 4:09 pm
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Wipe them out, all of them.

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>> No. 13906 Anonymous
22nd June 2021
Tuesday 7:42 pm
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My "work coach" is trying to get me to sign up to a "Job Entry Targeted Support" scheme where I'll have to jump through even more hoops to get my bennies. How do I convince them that I don't need to take part in this scheme?

Feel free to use this thread to share general tips for staying on the dole with the most minimal of hassle from The Man.

Gentleman of Leisure
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>> No. 13907 Anonymous
22nd June 2021
Tuesday 8:04 pm
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If I'm not mistaken those schemes actually don't effect whether or not you receive any benefits. Assuming of course you're looking for work off your own back, and you are, aren't you, Anon?
>> No. 13908 Anonymous
22nd June 2021
Tuesday 9:37 pm
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JETS is voluntary, so unless your claimant commitment specifically mentions going on courses or schemes that are recommended to you, then you just need a plausible reason why you think it's unsuitable for your needs.

It helps if you've got something else that sounds like a plan, whether that's a sector you're trying to get into or a course you'd like to go on. It doesn't have to be a great plan, but having something you can vaguely make progress towards is a useful distraction technique.

The Work and Health Programme is mandatory and can involve you being referred to JETS, but only if you've been claiming benefits for more than 24 months.

If you're serious about scrounging, get intimately familiar with the the Advice for Decision Making documents. They are in effect the rulebook for the benefit system. Quoting a paragraph from them can cut through a massive amount of bullshit if you aren't arsey about it. Get to know the mandatory reconsideration process, because it's your first line of defence if your Work Coach starts making up their own rules.



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>> No. 13879 Anonymous
18th June 2021
Friday 8:53 pm
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Are there any unemployed socially retarded britfags in the south-eastern london area who would like to go into business with me making stuff in a workshop?
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>> No. 13895 Anonymous
19th June 2021
Saturday 12:21 am
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>> No. 13896 Anonymous
19th June 2021
Saturday 12:42 am
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The prophetic hand is from past attempts. The straighteners may help with another problem cartoons have taught me with using dynamite.
>> No. 13897 Anonymous
19th June 2021
Saturday 2:59 am
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>> No. 13898 Anonymous
19th June 2021
Saturday 3:52 pm
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I meant to do that. The hand is actually the disembodied hand of God doing it's magic as is often referenced in biblical texts, domestic-terrorist-lad has warned humanity of the abomination of controlled flight using drones and is now taking the next logical step.
>> No. 13899 Anonymous
19th June 2021
Saturday 5:24 pm
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Curious to see if OP comes through with this or was just fishing for information.

>> No. 13825 Anonymous
2nd June 2021
Wednesday 2:59 pm
13825 Character reference
I am starting a new job, and I was requested a name as a reference for a BPSS (Verifile). In their words:

" You will be asked to provide a character reference. This individual must have known you for a minimum of 3 years, and must have a job title from the attached list. Please provide the referees work email address, as Verifile are unable to accept a personal one.

As an immigrant worker, I do not have the social network as a native. I do not know anyone with those requisites. How can I get out of this mess?
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>> No. 13868 Anonymous
3rd June 2021
Thursday 8:51 pm
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>John Major hasn't got a modem.
Is that one of those football chants?
>> No. 13869 Anonymous
3rd June 2021
Thursday 10:33 pm
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He's got no modem,
He's got no mode-emmmmm,
John major,
He's got no modem.
>> No. 13870 Anonymous
3rd June 2021
Thursday 11:55 pm
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A mate of mine met his wife on a Star Wars fan forum in the late nineties, when he was about 10 and she was about 40.
>> No. 13871 Anonymous
4th June 2021
Friday 12:03 am
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That went from lovely to very uncomfortable so fast I've got whiplash.
>> No. 13872 Anonymous
4th June 2021
Friday 12:09 am
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I think >>13863 is spot on. Up until the late 2000s the bulk of the people who made up the Internet's society and culture tended to be the more nerdy technical, creative and alternative types who found each other and formed communities here in a way which couldn't happen IRL since they were too geographically dispersed.

Back then even if half the country was online a lot of people saw the internet as a thing you used to read websites, send email and maybe even buy stuff if you were feeling brave. They used it but didn't really participate in it.

Actually publishing content took a bit of effort to set up a blog and maybe write some basic HTML. It wasn't that hard but it did have the effect of filtering out a lot of low effort stuff.
The average person couldn't be arsed to do all that just to share their opinions on the latest celebrity gossip and last night's episode of Eastenders when they could have he same conversations at work or with their IRL friends. You had to have something you felt was actually worth sharing with the wider community for it to be worth the effort.

I think things started going downhill around the late 2000s to early 2010s.
My current theory is that the combination of modern social media like FB and Twitter combined with the proliferation of easy to use smartphones and tablets gave the great hoards of normies both the means and the motivation to colonize the internet.

Social media (especially sites like FB which were mostly an online extension of existing communities IRL at the time) was both great source of the kind of IRL gossip and drama that certain types of people (who previously thought the internet was for sad nerds) are obsessed with and very easy to actively engage with.

The link to smartphones and tablets is a bit more tenuous but I suspect their proliferation exposed the internet to a large section of users who are, to put it politely "not good at computers" and wouldn't use the internet unless they had to if a computer was the only option.

>> No. 13820 Anonymous
2nd June 2021
Wednesday 11:48 am
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After so long working from home, as much of a luxury as it's been, I'm beginning to realise constant locked-inside office work isn't really good for my mental health -- nor is it fulfilling or what I envisioned myself doing.

Are outdoor research jobs just the stuff of stock pictures? A fantasy peddled to university students to trick them into getting behind another desk, just using slightly different software?

If not, what are these jobs? Someone has to be out collecting data outside, right? How much shit do you have to eat in a particular career before someone allows you to do the more desirable 'field work'?

My field, broadly, is in pharma/medical research for what it's worth.
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>> No. 13821 Anonymous
2nd June 2021
Wednesday 12:00 pm
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There's serious money to be made in bats.


See if anything takes your fancy here:

>> No. 13822 Anonymous
2nd June 2021
Wednesday 1:41 pm
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Slightly related. YouTube's been recommending me loads of behind the scenes Breaking Bad videos for reasons far beyond my comprehension, but that made me realise that special effects seems right up my street. I have a degree in electronic engineering, but the vast, vast majority of jobs out there for EE are just coding. I don't mind coding, but I like making shit.

I guess the problem is it's a brutally difficult industry to break into.
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2nd June 2021
Wednesday 1:57 pm
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The problems with field jobs is that everyone wants one and they're often poorly paid with little career prospect. Plus you're probably just thinking that because the weather is lovely at the minute.

On civil service jobs you find these by searching the two operations professions. Just brace yourself on the pay.
>> No. 13824 Anonymous
2nd June 2021
Wednesday 2:17 pm
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Just become a bin manwaste management technician.
>> No. 13834 Anonymous
2nd June 2021
Wednesday 3:40 pm
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I'm an Environmental Scientist at a University -doing field science within academia or for a consultancy is a very competitive field. There's also a surplus of volunteers to contend with.
From what I've seen, quite a bit of focus and cash is directed towards bats and newts, but I think you need specialist qualifications (BIG NEWT controls the market).

Maybe try working for a water company? I used to do site ops, it's a great combination of out doors working and problem solving/engineering. Being called out to a trunk main burst at 23:00 on Xmas Eve is always a possibility though.

>> No. 13790 Anonymous
8th May 2021
Saturday 3:35 pm
13790 Is this discrimination?
I lost my job this week. I had an extended absence at the beginning of this year, due to long term illness my employer was aware of, but haven't missed a shift in over a month. During my absence, I had two occupational health assessments - the first said I was unfit for work; the second said I was fit to work but only part time and it is also likely I may have more absences due to my long term condition. During all this time I asked for home working, but my manager refused due it being a "waste of time", despite their being open positions on other teams that exclusively WFH.

At my attendance review meeting, the decision maker said that based on my past sickness, and because the OH report says I am likely to be unwell in the future, the business can't support my continued employment, choosing to dismiss me rather than issuing a final written warning. My union rep who was in the meeting was a bit shocked, saying he has never seen an OH report to go against someone, and will consult with his colleagues as to if this is allowed.

TL;DR I feel I have been dismissed due to my disability, but don't know if it was a valid decision.
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>> No. 13795 Anonymous
8th May 2021
Saturday 8:14 pm
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Mmm. Were they aware of your situation? Did you give them the doctor's notes?
>> No. 13796 Anonymous
8th May 2021
Saturday 8:29 pm
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I gave them doctor's notes, and made them aware of my condition in my pre-employment occupational health assessment.
>> No. 13797 Anonymous
8th May 2021
Saturday 8:30 pm
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You might be getting to that age where you need to think about investing in a pair of reading glasses.
>> No. 13798 Anonymous
8th May 2021
Saturday 9:58 pm
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Bang out of order OP, and this is why.

>During all this time I asked for home working, but my manager refused due it being a "waste of time", despite their being open positions on other teams that exclusively WFH.

As far as I understand the law, they are obligated to offer you a different role or position first before sacking. If they haven't allowed you the opportunity to do that it should be an open and shut case.

Not that it should really make a difference, but what's your disability? How long have you had off?

What a lot of companies seem to do nowadays is just push their luck with this sort of thing in the hopes you won't have the resources/willpower to fight it, and lean on their "sickness policy" as though anyone having over 10 days off is self-evidently a skiving bastard. It's the sort of thing Capita can get away with when they sack a 21 year old call centre operative for having too many Monday sickies, but if you work somewhere serious enough to have a union and occy health department it shouldn't happen.
>> No. 13799 Anonymous
9th May 2021
Sunday 11:30 am
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So they started issuing you warnings whilst you were doing that?

>> No. 13778 Anonymous
14th April 2021
Wednesday 8:40 am
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Can we have a thread for translating the garbled nightmare language you will encounter in various work environments and vacancy ads?

Does "agile" management mean "doing a lot with fuck-all staff and few resources"?
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>> No. 13780 Anonymous
14th April 2021
Wednesday 9:02 am
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I think it means "we don't care how you do your job unless you do something stupid" or sometimes "you're the manager but you also have to fill in for three non existent team members"
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14th April 2021
Wednesday 11:21 am
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Agile, if it refers to Agile working, is apparently just starting/finishing whenever you want. I have to be available between 10am-12pm and 2pm-4pm, but outside of that I can just do whatever I want, ostensibly, as long as my timesheet gets filled.

Speaking of timesheets, does anyone find that they absolutely crush any drive to optimize ones workload? Or am I looking at it wrong, and they're really an opportunity to save time by optimizing your work without telling anyone and getting all your work done in 20% of the time?
>> No. 13782 Anonymous
14th April 2021
Wednesday 11:49 am
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To me it means you have a continuous circular development cycle as opposed to waterfall in how you manage projects. This began in the IT sector because customers are fucking idiots but now everyone does it - you get the skeleton done and then build/hone with feedback. You'll be engaging with clients/stakeholders throughout so relationship management is emphasised as opposed to waterfall process where you get the bloody thing done first and then go out to people.

Having to do everything with fuck-all staff and few resources is just normal management.

>> No. 13772 Anonymous
13th April 2021
Tuesday 1:12 pm
13772 Looking for a new job
Right, I've been mulling this over for a few weeks and I think it is time for me to start looking for a new job, but I'm a bit stuck at what to look for and I have got a little too comfortable.

I've been working in the same place for just over six years now, at the beginning it was a zero hours thing as I worked full time elsewhere. However, after redundancy from the old job, I got more shifts and worked my way up into a salaried position learning a lot along the way.

It's without a doubt the best job I have had, I like the people I work with (for the most part) and it's sort of degree relevant with it being a arts/culture organisation.

Having said all that, I feel I have hit a bit of a brick wall in regards to progress and pay, and to put it politely, the newish head of the department has no idea what he is doing. It's a technical department and he is essentially a salesman and he seems happier to give work and projects that we could build upon to other people if he can skim some money off in the short term.

The idea of a payrise is out of the window (my colleagues hasn't gone up in 12 years) and the reward for doing a good job and exceeding targets seems to be more work.

Currently, I have built and maintained the entire organisation's inventory, I conduct site visits (often involves driving nationwide, overnights stays etc), I install art exhibitions/museum installs, build and maintain AV equipment, lead on large outdoor cinema events (including delivery, transport, staffing, kit, logistics etc) and I know a bit of Unity (mainly for AR development) and a bit of Blender. Currently, I've ended up managing projects with no support or extra compensation. I'll get TOIL instead of extra pay for working extra hours which would be fine in the short term, but pre-pandemic, I had acrued 3 extra weeks of time off by the beginning of October. This is a general overview, I do a few extra bits here and there too. All of this for £18,270 a year and the age of fucking 30.

My sister is a travel agent and she's on just over £24,000 and she's still getting a payrise despite the industry being decimated.

I'm not saying I'm worth millions, but I can't help but feel I'm worth more than this. At the beginning I could overlook it as there were lots of perks to the arts, but a lot of those are dissapearing and management is a nightmare.
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>> No. 13774 Anonymous
13th April 2021
Tuesday 2:57 pm
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You've identified things that are less than satisfactory with your current situation, but without making your other options concrete, you risk slipping back into what you know and are comfortable with.

Big changes in my life (and the confidence to make them) have invariably come from researching my options and determining tangible outcomes that would take my life in the direction I want it to go. I might be a bit strange in this respect, but I've put together loads of long-term plans this way, many just as backups, then take strategic and budgeted steps towards it. If I know I'll need to save for to move home or take a qualification, I'll do that. It's all blocked out in a big spreadsheet.

Sorry to be boring, but I'd saying being diligent is just as important as being daring when it comes to these decisions.
>> No. 13775 Anonymous
13th April 2021
Tuesday 3:10 pm
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>All of this for £18,270 a year and the age of fucking 30.
>My sister is a travel agent and she's on just over £24,000 and she's still getting a payrise despite the industry being decimated.

Fucking hell, I thought you were looking for serious money but have you considered giving government a go? You can certainly put your practical and project management experience as a selling point and earn 30k+ in a HEO/SEO/G7(at a push) role off the bat.
>> No. 13776 Anonymous
13th April 2021
Tuesday 3:14 pm
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I'll give those a look. The option of remote working and living away from the cities makes these kind of jobs a lot more appealing.


Agreed. As much as I'm complaining now, I can keep my head down and do my research, I'm just a bit stumped as to how to apply myself. I've fallen into things a lot the past few years.


I don't mean that I'm looking for £24,000 a year, I'd like more than that. I just used it as an example of a job that is much easier and less demanding and is part of an industry that has been hit a lot harder than the arts.
>> No. 13777 Anonymous
13th April 2021
Tuesday 7:15 pm
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Your problem is that you started basically in manual labour, you've gained tons of skills and moved up to what's essentially a management position gradually and if you were to start again doing the same thing you'd be on a £30-40K contract.

Start looking for another job, just have some imagination in what you're looking for and try to think creatively about how you would fit in, sounds like you're generally going to be looking in the entertainment and events industry so with things starting to open up again now everyones going to be hiring. You probably want to start mooching around for as many different job titles you can think of that sound in any way relevant to what you do "events manager", "PA installer", things like that.

Your CV should be as candid as possible in stating all the roles and responsibilities you currently have.
>> No. 13779 Anonymous
14th April 2021
Wednesday 8:46 am
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It sounds like you meet a lot of people. Are none of them tempting to jump ship to?
It's a slightly awkward conversation, probably best phrased as seeking new challenges rather than grumbling about your existing salary/employer.
However, if you're there, looking all competent and stuff, that's far better than a blind CV.

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