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>> No. 4012 Anonymous
14th December 2012
Friday 9:36 am
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Applying for JSA links
http://pastebin.com/5vJCh4HQ
http://www.urban75.com/Action/Jsa/jsa2.html
Both are a little out of date.
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>> No. 13509 Anonymous
20th August 2020
Thursday 3:52 pm
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>>13507

Would you turn up at a food bank and lie when your cupboards at home were full?
>> No. 13510 Anonymous
20th August 2020
Thursday 8:46 pm
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>>13507
I don't think it is ridiculous when their stated mission is to help people without degrees - why should you jump the queue when you've already had that opportunity?
>> No. 13768 Anonymous
2nd April 2021
Friday 12:22 am
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>>13507 Yes if you have a degree then you can't do an apprenticeship.
>> No. 14057 Anonymous
3rd October 2021
Sunday 8:01 pm
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I can't seem to find how much NI I need to pay to qualify for JSA. In the last year I paid NI for 7 months of work, but they are my only contributions. Not sure if that is enough.

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>> No. 14243 Anonymous
21st January 2022
Friday 9:38 am
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At what point does leaving a job which pays good money and offers a load of benefits become justifiable, in terms of just being fucking sick of it?

I've been in a pretty typical corporate manager-ish type role now for about a year. The pay is fine, and I was lucky to find something with work-from-home flexibility during the pandemic.

At the same time, the company culture is deeply irritating, the work ranges from stressful to tedious to pointless, and I'm not enjoying life at all outside of building up savings. It's also likely they'll try and drag everyone back to the office once it's viable.

I've also apparently been underperforming (due to what I believe to be a genuine lack of guidance), and my annual pay review was essentially a paycut (a <1% rise with over 3% inflation). Overall, I admit that after I finished a big project in November that I've mentally checked out and have been neglecting things here and there. I just want out.

I have some modest savings and a promising interview lined up, as well as a partner whose willing to cover for me while I'm looking. At the same time, I'm wondering whether it's stupid of me to let go of a well-paid job in this context without another offer in hand?

I've arranged a meeting with my manager for next week to let him know I'm resigning, but could possibly swing this into something else if I am making a silly move. Do you lads think I'm making a mistake? Is there a smarter strategy here?
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>> No. 14244 Anonymous
21st January 2022
Friday 9:52 am
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>Is there a smarter strategy here?
Yes. Getting another offer first, but you know that already.

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>> No. 1795 Anonymous
27th May 2011
Friday 6:32 pm
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ITT: Workplace annoyances.

I'll get the ball rolling - having to bring in pastries on your birthday. I know it's cheaper if people bring their own in on their birthday instead of chipping in every time someone in the office has a birthday, but it's still fucking annoying having to fork out on your birthday.
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>> No. 14226 Anonymous
6th January 2022
Thursday 2:57 pm
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How easy is it to start a union? The chairman is very anti-union, which makes it even more of a fun project for me to start one.
>> No. 14227 Anonymous
7th January 2022
Friday 1:32 am
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>>14226
Probably far easier to invite an existing appropriate union in - they'll be well into it, and it's probably quicker.
>> No. 14228 Anonymous
10th January 2022
Monday 9:59 am
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"I know it's short notice, but can you give an hour long presentation to ~100 people tomorrow despite only having a couple of hours of proper training on the material because one of our usual presenters can't make it due to something that was entirely foreseeable?"

I like the company I work for because of how informal and laid back it is most of the time, but the dysfunctional management means every now and then something will crop up that's last minute and will need urgently sorting.
>> No. 14238 Anonymous
13th January 2022
Thursday 1:57 pm
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My work are expecting me to do one hour shifts at a client's house. So I have to pay £5 on the bus, travel an hour each way, for a net profit of £5. Absolute wank.
>> No. 14239 Anonymous
13th January 2022
Thursday 2:22 pm
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Someone has started a "side hustle" as a Body Shop At Home consultant, which means they're constantly trying to sell their wares.

I'm not sure if they count as pyramid schemes, but selling things like this, Avon and Usborne Books always seem to be aimed at so-called mumtrepreneurs.

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>> No. 14229 Anonymous
12th January 2022
Wednesday 2:54 pm
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In late November I applied to a competitive job. It had five stages of selection: the application, a video interview, a couple of work tests, and a final interview.

I made it to the final interview. I wasn't selected, but given my good performance, they passed on my details to another related company. This related company e-mailed me with an invitation to apply and to chat with the department director.

After the chat last Friday, they said that putting my CV in was just to have my "information in the system" and "X will get in touch about some logistics next week".

Well, after uploading my CV and a cover letter over the weekend, letting the research director know, X has indeed got back to me with a boilerplate rejection.

As far as I know, the chat went well, my CV is virtually the same one I used for the role with the original company. One of you lads must have done hiring - what in God's fucking name happened here?
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>> No. 14236 Anonymous
12th January 2022
Wednesday 10:35 pm
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>>14229
Just out of interest, what is the pay like?
>> No. 14237 Anonymous
13th January 2022
Thursday 12:12 am
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>you cannot control who you are up against

Excellent post. A lot of people are crap at customising their CV or their cover letter for the job - thats a big thing. But you also can't forecast or control who you are up against. I've recently missed jobs because I wasn't available (3 months notice) or the other candidate was a bird and they wanted diversity. C'est la vie. I'm cool with that, no matter how disappointing it might be.
>> No. 14240 Anonymous
13th January 2022
Thursday 2:33 pm
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OP, here. Strange thing, I did exactly as >>14235 suggested with a note to say I'd been invited to apply to this job.

About 45 minutes later I received another e-mail with an apology, saying there'd been a mixup with the recruitment system and that they hadn't intended to send out the boilerplate rejection.

This raises so many more questions.

Thank you to you lads anyway, all your suggestions may well have been the case. It turns out that I'm still in the running, however.

>>14236

The job advertisement says 50K per year.
>> No. 14241 Anonymous
13th January 2022
Thursday 5:53 pm
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>>14240
Once we hired 6 temps through an agency from the 30 odd applicants the company we recruit though told everyone they didn't get the job. So I phoned up the agency to arrange when I was going to interview the 12 we shortlisted. Everyone got sent the same rejection letter and most of them being actually competent got jobs elsewhere in the 2 weeks between posting the job ad and the end date. This meant we had to re-post the job and go through a load of CVs again.
>> No. 14242 Anonymous
13th January 2022
Thursday 10:53 pm
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>It had five stages of selection: the application, a video interview, a couple of work tests, and a final interview.
Seems a bit much. I hate this sort of thing. I just avoid it nowadays. Once they ask me why I am no longer interested, I tell them that their process is too long, and ridiculous.

I had one company ask for video of me talking about my experience and projects I lead on, alongside the application, interview, assessment, a presentation, and a final interview. I had another company that wanted me to do a two hour presentation on some subject they would share with me at the first interview.

It is too ridiculous. I am not applying to become the CEO.

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>> No. 14217 Anonymous
4th January 2022
Tuesday 4:21 pm
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How do I know when I've reached the right balance between money and effort?
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>> No. 14221 Anonymous
4th January 2022
Tuesday 5:36 pm
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That might be the most difficult question in the universe to answer. It's very individual. For me, it's all about what do I first think about when I wake up? Am I already gnashing my teeth about who I might deal with, and thinking strongly of a duvet day? Or am I getting up and at them?

I have considered this a lot recently, and have also reach my limit on what constitutes that balance. I quit my job (without having another one lined up) because I thought the balance was out - I'm quite sure I'll find something else. Time will tell - if I'm queueing up at the foodbank in two months time, I was wrong.
>> No. 14222 Anonymous
4th January 2022
Tuesday 6:25 pm
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It really depends on what you want. My mum works two days a week, and it pays her bills and has enough left over for the things she enjoys, and enough of a savings account to retire whenever she feels like it. On the other hand, I have a pilot friend who works as much as he's legally allowed, on about 100 grand a year, but because he lives in a giant house, has two posh cars, and so on, he's actually struggling for cash sometimes - and if he lost his job he'd be fucked. If my mum lost hers, she'd basically not notice.
>> No. 14223 Anonymous
4th January 2022
Tuesday 7:10 pm
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>>14219

>Is there anything wrong with just being comfortable?

Nothing at all, in fact I think knowing when you are is a very valuable lesson in life.

A great deal of people simply don't know when to step off the hedonic treadmill, and that's what causes them their greatest misery in life. I'm reaching the age that I see a lot of younger colleagues pass through my place of work, and it always gives me this weird mixture of amusement and resentment hearing them say things like "Oh yeah I mean I'm not planning on being here forever, I can't imagine working a place like THIS all my life". It occurs to me that they've not yet been through whatever it is that teaches you that lesson, and that it's going to sting when they realise they are going to end up working somewhere very much like this all their life; because ultimately, most jobs are a lot of the same old shit.

Finding somewhere you've got the right balance of elements to remain happy is vitally important, and sometimes that means making less money. One day you realise there's no pot of gold at the end of the rainbow, it just goes on and on and on.
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4th January 2022
Tuesday 9:05 pm
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The question doesn't work because the two things aren't linear. I have a 'cool' career and as a result I work my arse off and get relatively shit pay for it.

What I've instead found is that as you rise the ranks into management you're increasingly not doing [subject] but back end corporate decision making and reporting. The kind of things that you really don't want to do but have to. That's more work than doing the things you're moderately interested in.
>> No. 14225 Anonymous
5th January 2022
Wednesday 11:34 pm
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>>14224
I'm the opposite yet similar. I have a cool "career", but mostly sit on my arse yet get paid significantly more than the SA required amount. I'm not management and really don't want to be because, as you say, you stop doing the job and increasingly start having to do glorified paperwork. (Management should be a transparent shit umbrella, so you see the shit but don't have to deal with it.) I didn't "rise into management", I instead rose the "do the job" side of things, though the two get a little fuzzy at this stage. I'd rather go back to previous work[1], but the money is addictive and it fools me into thinking I'd be a fool to quit.

My opinion for >>14217, it's a balance. Do you have a family, do you have a mortgage, do you have other obligations or aspirations? Have you planned for your retirement financially? Sometimes sacrfices have to be made and needs must, and alternatives matter. If you could live your life and retire happy (this is not a given even if you own your property, c.f. fuel poorness in current pensioners).

So the question of balance is one up to you, with a whole lot of variables attached. And there is no right or wrong answer.

1) I used to work for a family company where I could see the daily take-in. They paid me what they could, I biked to work... I couldn't afford shit. Bit different now.

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>> No. 14037 Anonymous
17th September 2021
Friday 6:22 pm
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I graduated from an Oxbridge uni two years ago with a 2.ii after getting mad depressed and smoking zoots constantly, totally squandering my time there.
Been two years and I'm still zooting away my problems, but I'm now a mid-20s zero-CV NEET and have no idea what to do.

How do I achieve a useful career now that I'm post-uni with no work experience, semi poor grades and getting on a bit compared to the fresh 21y/o grads.

Any ideas? Maybe just some spiritual guidance.

Thanks chaps
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>> No. 14055 Anonymous
19th September 2021
Sunday 4:54 pm
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>>14049

Teaching is definitely a possbility. With an ever-increasing gap on his CV, OP will struggle to land a private-sector job worthy of his formal education, but all is not lost if he's still in his mid-20s.

In the mean time, I would go on the lookout for any job at all that gets you out of the house every day and gets you at least a few hundred quid a month. Two years is a long time to not be doing much of anything. It's not just two years of non-existing job experience, but possible employers will also be skeptical if you can just hit the ground running and get back into an everyday work routine from one day to the next.

There are jobs that can ease you back into a daily routine. You could do part-time work delivering food, or some low-level customer phone support. You don't have to work in a warehouse or supermarket.
>> No. 14056 Anonymous
19th September 2021
Sunday 7:27 pm
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There's a whole world of civil service jobs out there with an application process designed to cut out connections. If I remember right sifters and interviewers don't actually see your job history either because they certainly hired me with a year gap. Apply for HEO and at a push SEO unless you have management experience. Pay is shit but you can get a nice/work life balance in a very secure job that looks good on your CV if you ever want to escape, plus you're not selling rubbish to people all day.

If anything the problem we have is that not enough people apply and of those they seem unable to provide answers to the competencies so posts just go unfilled. I don't think it would be wrong if you asked for advice on competencies if you need it. Saged ticked because I don't know if I should be recruiting arse-pissers.
>> No. 14179 Anonymous
22nd November 2021
Monday 12:17 am
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Here's a BBC News link about finding a job:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/explainers-53685650

My personal favourite part, and by favourite I mean I am enormously angry, is when they ask the recruitment consultant, the woman whose job it is to find you a job, the woman who works for the company that actively stands in the way of you finding a job on any job website, for tips on how to get a job, and she says:
>Corinne Mills suggests drawing on your personal network. Friends, family and acquaintances will collectively know hundreds of people, many of whom will be hiring.
So in other words, nepotism. These companies have fucked the job market so that you need to go to them, and when you go to them, they just say "hope you have a relative who can hire you because I ain't doing shit." Recruitment companies are like landlords; parasites who enrich themselves by making society worse. I despise them.
>> No. 14180 Anonymous
22nd November 2021
Monday 9:42 am
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>>14179
It's much cheaper to have a staff referral scheme than to pay 15-25% of the starting salary to a recruiter.
>> No. 14181 Anonymous
24th November 2021
Wednesday 2:00 am
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>>14056
That doesn't explain how I got my first civil service job. My mate helped me fill out the applications. A few days later, I got a call from him saying he couldn't remember what Uni I went to. I told him, and later that day I was invited to an interview.

Reading your post now - I think he might have told his sifter mate to pick out the application that had my Uni on it.

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>> No. 14145 Anonymous
3rd November 2021
Wednesday 10:21 pm
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How feasible is it to make at least 20k a year working for oneself? What kind of skills or business ideas would prove fruitful? I could probably make close to that as a freelance transcriber working from home, but I'm talking about things that are actually reasonably interesting to do and offer some sort of growth or career progression.

I've been working a barely above minimum wage job after a long spell of NEETdom and it has made me realise how precious my time is. I've gotten used to working a regular 9-5, but I would now rather spend those 8 hours working for myself.
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>> No. 14171 Anonymous
10th November 2021
Wednesday 5:39 pm
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I'm not him, but I think you're asking two questions there. Could something be done to tax the elites in a way they can't get out of? Sure; of course it could. Will they allow such a thing to happen? Hahaha, lol, and lmao, in that order.
>> No. 14172 Anonymous
10th November 2021
Wednesday 5:47 pm
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>>14171

I'm not so sure, I think we are going to start seeing a backlash over the nest few years as governments realise their committent to free market liberalism has let individuals and corporations become definitively more powerful than them.

For now the politicians are happy to take their bribes and back room deals, but when it really starts to threaten national interests or security concerns (and therefore, the political establishment's grip on power) I think the pendulum might start swinging back the other way, with governments trying to re-assert authority instead of being pushed aside.
>> No. 14173 Anonymous
10th November 2021
Wednesday 6:43 pm
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>>14172
>I think we are going to start seeing a backlash over the nest few years as governments realise their committent to free market liberalism has let individuals and corporations become definitively more powerful than them.
I get the feeling that some won't realise that they've been feeding the crocodile and will happily continue to do it.
>> No. 14174 Anonymous
10th November 2021
Wednesday 8:23 pm
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>>14172
I think that's already starting to happen. But I suspect it might already be too late. If nobody in the government showed up to work one day, I doubt most people would notice. If Google or Facebook went down for 24 hours, people would be kicking off within the first ten minutes. And if the people had to choose whose side they were on, I can't be certain that more than 50% of people would side with politicians.

Anyway, while a tax on net worth probably wouldn't go anywhere, negative interest rates are very nearly the same thing and they've been proposed a few times.
>> No. 14175 Anonymous
15th November 2021
Monday 10:48 am
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>>14168

If you're still around, software lad, I stuck a temporary email address at the bottom of this post. I was hoping to ask you how you came about finding this niche and if anything similar might apply in my field off .gs.

Not meaning to e-stalk or take up your time, so no worries if you'd rather not, I just thought I'd give it one bump in /*/ and then leave it.

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>> No. 14119 Anonymous
28th October 2021
Thursday 9:35 am
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Good day all.

I have an upcoming interview via Microsoft Teams, I'm frankly new to the whole world of web interviews so I wanted to see if I could get some advice as to how to conduct myself, what I can expect and more importantly how I can be really prepared. The last time I had an interview of any kind was in 2017 so my head was spun for a little bit getting back into the process of preparing my material for this stuff.

I have a work laptop with Teams already on it (it's not a program that I've used before) and a headset, I guess I'll have to do a test call on it to make sure everything sounds and looks okay.

The actual role knowledge is all on me but if anyone can provide some advice on things I should know, who have done this before, would be greatly appreciated.
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>> No. 14125 Anonymous
28th October 2021
Thursday 2:16 pm
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ha, no. I'm not the phantom echoer, that's the two muppets in adjacent cubicles in another building (continent). My audio is peerless.
I suspect the 4 foot separation between speakers and mic helps, as does the carefully arranged anechoic arrangement of crap filling my office.
I have no doubt that Nigel is a poorly endowed prick though.
>> No. 14126 Anonymous
28th October 2021
Thursday 2:21 pm
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>>14125

Either you're causing an echo, or you're causing everyone's audio to be really choppy because of the echo cancellation cutting in and out.

Just buy some headphones, Nige.
>> No. 14127 Anonymous
28th October 2021
Thursday 3:05 pm
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>>14126
I work in a team which includes several engineers who have spent years fighting echo cancellation problems in conferencing systems. If my mic was pissing them off, I would hear about it instantly.
Teams may be wretched in many ways, but on the machines we use, it does echo and background noise cancellation tolerably. That said, my Thinkpad is about to be refreshed by something from Dell, so I imagine it'll all go to crap and I'll have to go back to headsets.
>> No. 14128 Anonymous
28th October 2021
Thursday 3:06 pm
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>>14126
Also, I live on mute, as I'm not a cunt and I often have nothing to say.
>> No. 14129 Anonymous
29th October 2021
Friday 2:19 pm
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>>14120
>>14121

Thanks for the tips.

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>> No. 14114 Anonymous
25th October 2021
Monday 7:14 pm
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Do you lads keep up with news in your industry at all? I feel like a bit of a dipshit as I've missed huge developments in the NHS and private healthcare/research since COVID-19.

Aside from maybe renewing my FT subscription, is there anything else I can do to keep on top of things?
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>> No. 14115 Anonymous
25th October 2021
Monday 7:58 pm
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What I do is when I'm slacking off at work I go and waste time on the internet. I'm guilty of posting here now that I work from home but in the beforetime I would browse industry websites and various philosophical think pieces about life that I could get away with at work.

I don't see why FT would give you this, do they have a section on it?
>> No. 14116 Anonymous
25th October 2021
Monday 8:43 pm
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My work is very weird, in that it seems to be being run with the explicit aim of making sure nobody ever has to do any work. I come here to complain about the twats who do nothing quite often, but whenever I'm busy, this seems to be a great affront to the corporate philosophy, like I'm not supposed to be doing anything either. Anyway, I have a lot of free time when I'm sitting at a desk doing IT support, and once I've read all the worthwhile stories on the BBC website, I will then migrate to theregister.com, which has news from the IT world. And that's all I really do, industry-wise. They don't want me going to trade shows and things, because then I wouldn't be at work, playing the glorified receptionist and surreptitiously looking at britfa.gs on my phone.

There are probably people on Twitter you could follow who would keep you abreast of NHS developments, but if you're a brain surgeon or something, I think you just have to read real research and you'll know better than me where they keep that stuff.
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25th October 2021
Monday 9:28 pm
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If there's some kind of professional registration for your workplace, they'll usually have newsletters and what have you. the IBMS send out a magazine every month to registered scientists.

Also your boss probably gets a shitload of junk-mail magazines that are intended to flog new equipment, but they do have useful things in sometimes, so ask him to pass them on to you instead of putting them straight in the bin.

But overall I don't think you need to bother unless you've got designs on being some kind of top manager exec type who makes decisions and all that. Personally I couldn't give a fuck, I just want to get paid.

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>> No. 14035 Anonymous
17th September 2021
Friday 2:36 pm
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I feel lost as to where to go in my career. I don't enjoy what I do and I've amassed what seems to be a quite mismatched skillset that I don't know how to employ.

I currently work as a QA Tester and have done for nearing 3 years. I was late to university as I was very sick for my early 20s, then did a computer science degree and joined a 2 year grad scheme which at the exact end of the scheme and mid pandemic, made every single QA person redundant. I've since joined another company as a tester but frankly its far less interesting/technical work than I was doing and is mind-numbingly boring and simple (almost entirely manual). I knew what I was getting into but needed the pay to survive.

Is there such thing as a proper IT career guidance counsellor?

I think I know the landscape of where I can go test wise quite well. For more interesting and future proofed work it would be to go full force into test automation, automation engineering, a dev-ops type role, or maybe even a developer role. I hate the idea of becoming a manager and I don't think a full time programming role is for me either. But outside of test, I really don't know what I can work towards.

And like I said, my skillset seems pretty all over the shop. In part because I find a lot of things interesting and go and down my own research/play about. In nearly all of these I have the basics down and no more:

Manual test experience and HP ALM/QC , Azure DevOps.
Python.
Bash scripting.
Unix system architecture.
Azure DevOps
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>> No. 14050 Anonymous
18th September 2021
Saturday 9:31 pm
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Thanks for your insight. To be honest a DevOps role is something I've had my eye on. Not just for the pay but because as said, my role as a (mostly) manual tester is rote by nature, boring and stagnant. Do you have any advice please for someone with my skillset (or lack thereof) in pursuing a devops career?

It feels incredibly daunting, but on places like reddit I'm seeing people 'go from qa to devops in a year' so it can't be impossible...
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18th September 2021
Saturday 10:10 pm
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I can help with that; my job title is Head of DevOps for a big organisation.

1. Learn to script - python is great. You need to be able to automate almost anything you used to do on a command line. I can recommend educative.io

2. Do cloud stuff in your spare time. Get both the basic AWS and Azure accounts. Learn how to deploy a basic Windows and Linux server - then do it purely via code. You'll want to learn Terraform as it's almost an industry standard now, but Pulumi is also being strongly adopted. AWS is still way better than Azure and used in more companies, but in the beginning that matters less.

3. Learn how to build pipelines and run CI/CD toolchains - again, you can do this in Azure DevOps or AWS CodePipeline.

4. Learn to Docker and Kubernetes.
>> No. 14052 Anonymous
18th September 2021
Saturday 10:29 pm
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>>14051
There's lucky that the other two of you work in incredibly relevant roles.

Thanks a lot for the help, really appreciate it. It feels good to have point 1, mostly, down already. I also have the AWS Cloud Practitioner although that's quite the meme cert I'm aware.

One question; I was told there is no such thing as a 'junior' dev-ops engineer, as the field itself requires a level of knowledge that a typical junior XYZ wouldn't have yet. Is that true? Or are there some forgiving entry level devops roles?
>> No. 14053 Anonymous
19th September 2021
Sunday 6:06 am
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>>14051
Just a tiny question: what's the diffrerence between sys admin, DevOps and SRE in your mind?
>> No. 14054 Anonymous
19th September 2021
Sunday 6:42 am
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Version 0. System Administration
Version 1. DevOps
Version 2. DevSecOps
Version 3. Site Reliabilty Engineering

I have absolutely no doubt whatsoever that SRE is a better practice than DevOps, because it is very well defined - there is an actual book and set of definitions - Google have done a superb job with it. There are huge overlap in the ideas - SRE is an instance of DevOps.

SRE solves some of the problems that people have conceptually when they encounter DevOps ideas for the first time. Most advanced technology organisations who have adopted DevOps principles have seen the issues around information security (and have therefore adopted a more DevSecOps mindset) and are rapidly moving toward SRE, because operationally it is better.

So to answer your question precisely - it's a progession and it's somewhat difficult to skip the stages. If you know nothing about the challenges around development and system administration, then you're unlikely to appreciate DevOps. If you haven't done DevOps, then you're unlikely to appreciate why you want to quickly get to DevSecOps. If you haven't seen any of these challenges in a production environment, then SRE will seem quite academic.

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>> No. 14029 Anonymous
16th September 2021
Thursday 9:25 pm
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I am in the process for getting a new job. However, I'm scared that in my previous job I was dismissed due to poor attendance, and I don't want to put them as a reference as it wouldn't look good to the prospective employer that I was off for an extended period (all the time with doctor's notes, for a long term disability that my managers were aware of). Do I ask for a reference from a job further back, or does that look dodgy? Or do I say up front in the interview "I was off sick a lot because I was ill but now I'm not so don't worry"?
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>> No. 14030 Anonymous
16th September 2021
Thursday 10:33 pm
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In the current climate, employers in most fields are desperate for staff and can't afford to be picky. I think you're better off being straight rather than trying to hide anything - it won't come back to bite you in the arse, you probably don't want to work for someone who would discriminate on health grounds and there are loads of jobs going at the moment if it falls through.
>> No. 14031 Anonymous
16th September 2021
Thursday 10:46 pm
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>all the time with doctor's notes, for a long term disability that my managers were aware of

I would still tell a prospective new employer. What else are you going to tell them that you did all day the last few years or however long you were at your old job. You didn't just play hooky, you had valid reasons to be off work. Even if they let you go. Honesty is still a currency at job interviews, at least if you can offer a reasonable explanation.

Do make sure to emphasize that your health problems are behind you now, and that it was really just some improbably bad luck that you were gone from your work repeatedly. Maybe even get a note from your doctor confirming that you're all better now.
>> No. 14032 Anonymous
17th September 2021
Friday 12:35 am
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>>14031
> Do make sure to emphasize that your health problems are behind you now

I would lead with that when/if you bring it up. Something to the effect of "Though it is behind me now thanks to the fantastic treatmeant I received from XYZ, I was forced to take extended time off which I communicated to my managers at the time". Rephrase that, of course, but you get the gist. Depending on how competitive your field is you want to make sure that the person reading your CV (if it's a machine, then god help you) is forwarned of any red flags so they can contextualise them before they form an unfavourable opinion.

We (more or less) only hire people with a few years experience, and for those we only call on the references if they make extraordinary claims: "I worked in the maintenance crew for the Eiffel Tower and single-handedly dismantled and re-riveted the structure in under 6 hours while a team of painters did their thing to keep up".

But your mileage may vary by a country mile depending on your industry.
>> No. 14033 Anonymous
17th September 2021
Friday 12:58 am
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>>14032

>if it's a machine, then god help you

I generally don't apply for jobs where HR think they can't even be arsed to have a human working out if you're a promising candidate. I know that that increasingly rules out a lot of major companies these days, but I've found that I am most comfortable working for smaller companies anyway, where people are a tight-knit group and aren't at the whim of management many levels of hierarchy above them. Smaller companies haven't quite adopted that technology yet in large numbers.

I applied for a job at a big tech service provider before the pandemic, and I got an e-mail telling me to call a number for a phone interview. Which turned out to be fully computerised. What the actual fuck. I hung up about four or five minutes in, after a few somewhat inane questions their computer saw fit to ask me, because if they can't find the time to talk to you on the phone in person, i.e. if no actual fucking human at their company can manage to take ten minutes out of their day to have a personal chat with you, then they aren't worth my time either.


Self sage for thread derailment.
>> No. 14034 Anonymous
17th September 2021
Friday 12:41 pm
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>>14029
Don't you have a work mate? Give their details and let them act as your previous manager.

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>> No. 14015 Anonymous
12th September 2021
Sunday 9:05 pm
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I'm in a career pickle. I can't be fucked with my current job, it has become a job, I've delivered a major project and now I'm left what is boring corporate work to do that has the audacity to be equally demanding as it is tedious. I'm actually worse at it because I just don't care.

I have two options:
A) Apply for a job that I know I can easily get. This is interesting work on my current career level and working with people I know. If I get it I'll be committed to working there for 18 months.

B) Go for the next step on the career ladder which is in proper management. I know I have the experience and skills for this, I've met management, but jumping through all the flaming hoops will be hard and I already fluffed one interview. Still it's my career ambition and the people I've worked with outrank me now which is annoying. Also money.

What's a man to do?
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>> No. 14017 Anonymous
12th September 2021
Sunday 9:35 pm
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I'm just weaseling my way out of a similar pickle myself, with the exception that my option A turned out to be de facto permanent so it became a no-brainer for me.

That 18-month contract really is a big leap of faith, isn't it? Or are you confident you'll walk straight into further work (if you need it) after that term ends?

Similarly, if that fixed-term job (or others just like it) are going to continue to be available to you, then where's the harm in pushing for management role, and just keeping contracting as a back-burner option? Like you said, it is your career ambition, but if you've had a small taste of corporate work and don't like it, it might be best to find out if management is right for you sooner rather than later.

>it has become a job
The worst. Hopefully you get some respite and some clarity before too long.
>> No. 14018 Anonymous
12th September 2021
Sunday 10:17 pm
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>>14017
Ah it's the opposite; I'd commit to working there for 18 months minimum as part of the contract but it's a permanent posting so I could stay forever if I was so inclined. In theory management jobs could open up in office and thereby dodge the 18 month handcuffs but I doubt it will happen so soon after a round of recruitment unless I kill someone.

The harm comes from staying in my job now while I wait for an offer on management somewhere. That would likely be January before I pull it off.
>> No. 14019 Anonymous
12th September 2021
Sunday 10:48 pm
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I think only you can answer how much you want to commit to the corporate management thing. You say it's your career goal, but it doesn't sound like you're very much into that side of the game.

For me, I'm at a point both mentally and financially where I will always chase the fun or interesting rather than the lucrative. I could/should be chasing bigger upper management or even board positions, but I think once I'm taken away from the actual work we do, once my boots are off the ground and sat in some corner office, I know it'll become work, as you say.

I suppose it depends how much freedom you'd have in the latter role, leading a project can sometimes be as good as working it. I'm not really supposed to wander around sites the way I do, but it's my job and nobody can or will stop me. If your environment is a bit more limiting then perhaps the honest work is the best route.

If you are honest with yourself and find that the true driving force is that you just think you "should" be climbing the ladder, because thats what your peers are doing, then it's time to take a step back and take stock.

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>> No. 13914 Anonymous
16th July 2021
Friday 7:44 am
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Hello folks.

Any tips for finding an entry-level (ish), remote job in either 2D animation or graphic design, for a qualified person/artist. Naturally doing the usual trawl through indeed.co.uk, but it's not getting me anywhere in particular.
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>> No. 13917 Anonymous
16th July 2021
Friday 8:32 am
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You'll have to do your best as a freelancer of sorts to get started out in this sort of field. You have to build up a portfolio you can demonstrate to potential employers before they'll even look at you.

My missus has made her living as an artist for most of the last decade, and she'd probably be able to wipe the floor with most of the cunts who actually get the jobs. But when 90% of your paying work was porn they don't seem to think it counts. Nonsense if you ask me, it just shows she knows where the business is.
>> No. 13918 Anonymous
16th July 2021
Friday 8:36 am
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>>13917
Nice. I do have a decent portfolio, for illustration and animation. Not enough widget-y things for graphic/UI design. Can you ask your missus where she found her work?
>> No. 13919 Anonymous
16th July 2021
Friday 8:41 am
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>>13918
If you go in Reddit there's quite a few subs for artists open for commissions. It seems Septics have a lot of disposable income to throw at fantasy porn
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16th July 2021
Friday 4:04 pm
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>> No. 13921 Anonymous
16th July 2021
Friday 4:09 pm
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Wipe them out, all of them.

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>> No. 13906 Anonymous
22nd June 2021
Tuesday 7:42 pm
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My "work coach" is trying to get me to sign up to a "Job Entry Targeted Support" scheme where I'll have to jump through even more hoops to get my bennies. How do I convince them that I don't need to take part in this scheme?

Feel free to use this thread to share general tips for staying on the dole with the most minimal of hassle from The Man.

Regards,
Gentleman of Leisure
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>> No. 13907 Anonymous
22nd June 2021
Tuesday 8:04 pm
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If I'm not mistaken those schemes actually don't effect whether or not you receive any benefits. Assuming of course you're looking for work off your own back, and you are, aren't you, Anon?
>> No. 13908 Anonymous
22nd June 2021
Tuesday 9:37 pm
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JETS is voluntary, so unless your claimant commitment specifically mentions going on courses or schemes that are recommended to you, then you just need a plausible reason why you think it's unsuitable for your needs.

It helps if you've got something else that sounds like a plan, whether that's a sector you're trying to get into or a course you'd like to go on. It doesn't have to be a great plan, but having something you can vaguely make progress towards is a useful distraction technique.

The Work and Health Programme is mandatory and can involve you being referred to JETS, but only if you've been claiming benefits for more than 24 months.

If you're serious about scrounging, get intimately familiar with the the Advice for Decision Making documents. They are in effect the rulebook for the benefit system. Quoting a paragraph from them can cut through a massive amount of bullshit if you aren't arsey about it. Get to know the mandatory reconsideration process, because it's your first line of defence if your Work Coach starts making up their own rules.

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/advice-for-decision-making-staff-guide

https://www.gov.uk/mandatory-reconsideration

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