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>> No. 4357 Anonymous
26th August 2019
Monday 6:37 pm
4357 CARS
Ok i know very little about cars but i may need to buy one soon. id like something small easy maintained as im thick. and good on juice what would you suggest? oh and diesel vs petrol.

(A good day to you Sir!)
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>> No. 4372 Anonymous
26th August 2019
Monday 9:53 pm
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This one ticks all the boxes for me.

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201908080916134?sort=relevance&price-from=1500&maximum-mileage=70000&advertising-location=at_cars&onesearchad=New&onesearchad=Nearly%20New&onesearchad=Used&year-from=2010&radius=50&postcode=bh204ae&price-to=2000&page=1

Japanese cars tend to be very reliable and you'll get another 100,000 miles out of it easily. That's about 5 years worth of driving, if you're commuting to Bournemouth.
>> No. 4373 Anonymous
26th August 2019
Monday 11:20 pm
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>>4371

OP says he doesn't know much about cars; buying a write-off can be a minefield, even if it looks straight.

>>4372

It looks tidy enough, but I'd want to see a service history before buying anything with that sort of mileage. 150k is a perfectly reasonable mileage for something that has been well looked after, but it could be on death's door if the owner's idea of routine maintenance is "take it to the garage when the grinding noises get unbearably loud". The assortment of stains on the upholstery aren't a great sign. It's also being sold on trade terms, so you're pretty much shit out of luck if it's a lemon.
>> No. 4419 Anonymous
3rd November 2019
Sunday 11:58 pm
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I've just passed my test and I'm looking a runabout. Unfortunately at my current residence the insurance seems to be extra wank, so I've had to downsize my expectations from superminis to city cars.

That in mind I've been looking at Hyundai i10s mostly, and also found a Fiat Panda 1.1 from 2010 with 39000 miles on it.
There's those peugeot/toyota/citroen city cars in the same cost bad but they've got no space in the boot at all so I want something boxier for when I want to carry things.

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201910233606284

I just want someone to give me an opinion before I go have a look. I like Pandas too; they're pleasingly boxy and practical, the cabin is less hideous than the toyota Aygos of similar vintage and the body is better looking than the blobby i10 or old kia picantos.
>> No. 4420 Anonymous
4th November 2019
Monday 12:18 am
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>>4419
Panda is definitely a good choice for what you're looking at - but don't write off those Toyota Aygos; you might think they look a bit shit for your first car, but the bit you haven't discovered yet is maintenance, and those Japanese cars are way more durable and reliable than the Italians.
>> No. 4421 Anonymous
4th November 2019
Monday 6:01 pm
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>>4420
Aygos are rebadged citroen/peugots built in the Czech republic.
Yeah they're more or less reliable and cheap to maintain but they're not toyotas underneath.

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>> No. 4253 Anonymous
18th February 2019
Monday 6:32 pm
4253 Car and bike official weekend thread but also weekdays
Okay might as well try and be polite and keep the oil out of the other megathreads.

Welcome to the motor one. In an attempt to actually get people to post in it, tell me about the car you really want and could feasibly afford. Right now I'm really thinking a lot about a big square 80s Merc as we've been talking about them. Even a Lada would be fun as fuck.
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>> No. 4414 Anonymous
25th October 2019
Friday 9:40 am
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Well the power steering packed in on my way to work this morning. I know because of the little steering wheel on the dashboard, and suddenly having to wrestle the fucking thing around even the slightest bend.

Doesn't feel very safe anyway. How likely is it gonna cost me a fortune to get fixed?
>> No. 4415 Anonymous
25th October 2019
Friday 10:37 am
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>>4414
What car do you have?
>> No. 4416 Anonymous
25th October 2019
Friday 12:07 pm
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>>4414
Might just be a belt snapped.
>> No. 4417 Anonymous
25th October 2019
Friday 12:45 pm
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>>4415

2010 Fox.

>>4416

It works for a bit when I first start the engine, then dies when I start actually steering. Electronic problem maybe?
>> No. 4418 Anonymous
25th October 2019
Friday 9:22 pm
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>>4416
looks like it's electric
https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&f=23&t=1722191

Taking the bumper off to get to it sounds like a bunch of no fun...
Still, £300 or so for a new pump is hopefully not a showstopper if jiggling the connectors doesn't fix it

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>> No. 4326 Anonymous
28th April 2019
Sunday 5:39 pm
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I've been giving serious thought to getting a sidecar motorcycle as an alternative to car:

- get one made before or in 1979 and it's classified as a historic vehicle (probably some sort of old BMW copy like an Ural but it could also be an old Jap bike with a sidecar attached)
- no London congestion charge because it's still a motorcycle
- no London emmissions charge because it's exempt as a historic vehicle
- no MOT fees because it's exempt as a historic vehicle
- no road tax because it's exempt as a historic vehicle
- cheap insurance because it's a historic vehicle
- better fuel economy than a typical hatchback
- can use motorcycle parking bays
- practical because the sidecar is basically the same size as the boot of a small car
- not as much of a hassle as a classic car because of the simplicity/ease of maintenance of motorcycles

This strikes me as an incredibly genius idea but I'm pretty drunk right now.
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>> No. 4327 Anonymous
28th April 2019
Sunday 5:45 pm
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I'm not really a Bike Guy but this sounds like a solid plan to me, too, as long as you're confident you can get the parts and keep a bike that old running.

Also I've never seen a bike with sidecar park in a motorbike bay, you'd probably end up taking up two or three spaces.
>> No. 4328 Anonymous
28th April 2019
Sunday 5:56 pm
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>>4326
I like the plan in many ways, but the only problem is that with a sidecar you lose one of the primary benefits of having a bike - filtering through traffic; you would essentially be the width of a small car, and so would end up sitting in a lot more traffic than you would on a normal bike.

Have always wanted one too (particularly some of the old BMW ones) but not as a main/commuting bike.
>> No. 4329 Anonymous
28th April 2019
Sunday 6:58 pm
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>>4328

The handling of a sidecar outfit is really fucking weird. You're totally asymmetrical and the weight distribution changes radically depending on who or what is in the sidecar. It's not like you have to totally re-learn how to ride, but there is a fairly steep learning curve and a lot of your instincts can get you into trouble.
>> No. 4330 Anonymous
28th April 2019
Sunday 7:48 pm
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>>4327
I think pretty much every old Soviet machine was designed to be easily fixed with a hammer and some basic tools...but I've heard that the biggest problem is that you'll be doing a lot of fixing. I've never seen a sidecar in a motorbike bay either, but I've also never seen anyone riding a sidecar bike either.

>>4328
Very true, that's why I emphasised it being an alternative to a small car in this very specific set of circumstances. There isn't much benefit if you don't need to haul a bunch of shit within central London, or greater London if the ULEZ extension in 2021 proceeds as planned.

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>> No. 4313 Anonymous
14th April 2019
Sunday 4:17 pm
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I want to fill up my tyres with air. The manual says that the tyres should be cold (i.e. driven for no more than 1 mile and having been parked for 3 hours). Given that my nearest garage is 1.5 miles away, how much would this affect cold tyre pressure?
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>> No. 4314 Anonymous
14th April 2019
Sunday 4:19 pm
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This is some weird maths homework, lad.
>> No. 4315 Anonymous
14th April 2019
Sunday 4:26 pm
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Unless you're aiming for 0.1psi accuracy, fuck-all, just do it.
If you are aiming for 0.1psi, then know that the forecourt gauges aren't rated for that, and atmospheric pressure changes far more than that, even before you do crazy things like driving up hills.
It's nice to have them all roughly right, but I suspect I'd not spot 0.5psi difference even on mad tyres like ACB10s for road use, and 1psi for regular stuff.
And that's a distressing image.
>> No. 4316 Anonymous
14th April 2019
Sunday 7:39 pm
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>>4315
Ok thanks

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>> No. 4280 Anonymous
2nd March 2019
Saturday 9:53 pm
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9-41nLtleX0

I only really watch Wheeler Dealers on the late night channels, so hadn't realised in latest versions he had left the show. And beef with the shouty fat man?

He and James May probably need to do something together.

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>> No. 4251 Anonymous
20th January 2019
Sunday 1:36 pm
4251 winter
Winter's begun, so it's time to start dragging muppets out of the ditches again.
Take care, /mph/m8s.
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>> No. 4252 Anonymous
20th January 2019
Sunday 1:50 pm
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>>4251
I am so glad I don't have to commute on the roads at this time of year. I'm looking forward to the day our autonomous car overlords refuse to drive because of the weather.

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>> No. 4248 Anonymous
19th November 2018
Monday 6:09 pm
4248 Haunted alternator
Evening, friends.

My old alternator was on the way out for a while and it finally bit the dust a few weeks back. I got a new one fitted at a garage that was recommended to me, but ever since then my lights have been flickering when the engine is running.

I measured the voltage on the battery with the engine running idle and it was pulsing between about 13.5 and 14.5 V. It also seems to be tied to the engine temperature, as it becomes less noticable when the car has warmed up. Tonight was a cold one and my power steering wasn't working until a few minutes into my journey. I've had the same thing before I got the new alternator, but it came on with the red battery warning light on previously.

Earlier I tried swapping the battery out with a new one, but that didn't seem to fix anything. Does this just sound like a loose connection somewhere, or a bad ground?
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>> No. 4249 Anonymous
19th November 2018
Monday 7:44 pm
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always suspect ground, when things get weird.
Also worth checking the connector on the back of the alternator - if it's a 3-pin crimp one, they can fail quite subtly, and any discontinuity will fuck the alternator quickly, as the voltage will spike if the load vanishes.

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>> No. 4240 Anonymous
30th September 2018
Sunday 12:31 am
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What are some 4x4s that are reliable, easy to work on, and can be had for about 2k or less?

So far I've hit upon the old Cherokee. It apparently has a great reputation for reliability in the states (the engine and drivetrain at least) but it never gained the same cult following over here, so it can be had for a modest price. I've looked into Shoguns/Pajeros and Isuzu Troopers but haven't heard good things about them.
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>> No. 4243 Anonymous
30th September 2018
Sunday 1:40 am
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>>4242

LPG is a decent shout, it's undeniably fun to knock around in a big old american Jeep. I wouldn't ever do it because I don't like having a big tank in the back. Just make sure you're realistically close to a station that offers LPG, mind.

Fair play on the Landy front, I should say that I've never found a 200tdi or 300tdi to be any worse than any other similarly aged motor. The later ones are a bit of a nightmare with air suspension and lots of traction control stuff that breaks at the first sign of dust. but the earlier, you just need to look after them. I understand why so many are put off them, but I think I've spent less on my 300tdi than I have on my 2005 BMW.

Anyway - you're right about Land Cruisers, they're ludicrously priced. However, you definitely should be able to get a Hilux Surf for the price you're looking for. I'm just scouring AutoTrader now and I see decent ones for under a grand and a half. They're tanks.

I've also heard good things about the Mitsubushi L200, but for 2k you'll probably only find a handful of examples. Ford Rangers are worth considering too, but there's not a huge amount of them in this country.

My dad had a Grand Cherokee for years. It was cracking and would probably still be considered 'luxurious' even today. I think he had a transmission problem on it eventually, but you're rolling the dice no matter what with old 4x4s.
>> No. 4244 Anonymous
1st October 2018
Monday 7:39 pm
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>>4242
I'm an ex-Land Rover owner. They're fantastic cars, but generally built by seventeen-year-olds in Solihull and are fucking unreliable. My next 4x4 will definitely be the Hilux Surf, it is noticeable how all the farming types have moved over to the Toyota - they're just better value.
>> No. 4245 Anonymous
1st October 2018
Monday 11:10 pm
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>>4244
They can't tow 3.5t, though, can they?
I'm looking for a tow car that can legally pull my 3.5t trailer and be a general beater. Looks like a landy, a grand cherokee or a recent X5. Since I only want it for towing a few times a month, and don't need to go far, the cherokee's in with a chance, but a disco will probably win. X5 is not really a goer, especially as they apparently really suck off-road. Plenty of landy menders around here if I can't face it.
>> No. 4246 Anonymous
2nd October 2018
Tuesday 1:07 am
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A friend of mine has an ancient, abused Jimny held together by duct tape and grit that was, at one point, a 4x4. It still drives, and I've not heard about any engine problems with it in spite of the absolute state it's in.

Not what you're looking for if you want a 4x4 for space though.
>> No. 4247 Anonymous
8th October 2018
Monday 3:51 pm
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How about a Nissan Patrol Y61?

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>> No. 4234 Anonymous
19th September 2018
Wednesday 8:47 pm
4234 Lads
I got into a bit of a fight with a tipper truck today and my car lost.
Damage isn't too bad, I knocked my bumper half-off which broke some of the mounting points, and there's a bit of a dent on the wheel arch, but no other damage. The other guys truck didn't even have a scratch.
Mines 10 years old and I was thinking of getting a new one soon anyway. I've decided not to go to the insurance and just try and trade it in part exchange. Or take it into a body shop for a more permanent repair than shoving it back into place and cable-tieing it.

Am I being a complete mong by doing this?
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>> No. 4235 Anonymous
19th September 2018
Wednesday 9:19 pm
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>>4234
You're a complete mong if you can't afford it. If you can, then go for it. You're asking the question like part exchange and go for something else is an option, so if you think you can upgrade to something in a better state of repair with its attendant lower maintenance costs then go for that.
>> No. 4236 Anonymous
19th September 2018
Wednesday 9:29 pm
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>>4235
Yes the money isn't a problem really.
I'm just being a bit overly paranoid about finding that dealers will refuse to accept it in part exchange as it is, and other silly things.

The vans owner has agreed that there's no damage and is okay with it going unreported.
>> No. 4237 Anonymous
19th September 2018
Wednesday 10:26 pm
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>>4236
So you are at fault but no harm done. If the other party is willing to drop it, then that's perfect. Look at the situation, if you are sure you fucked up, then that is what it is and good on the other side to let it go.
>> No. 4238 Anonymous
20th September 2018
Thursday 12:42 am
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>>4236
Depends on the potential resale. If it's scrap anyway then they might take it, but if theres a chance they could make a few quid they might tell you to sod off without repairing it.
>> No. 4239 Anonymous
20th September 2018
Thursday 3:01 pm
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Most part-exchange cars end up at auction. The price the dealer offers you is partly based on what they think it'll sell for and partly a discount on the list price of the new car. As long as it's worth something, they'll take it as PX even if it's a bit tatty. They're usually more generous towards the end of the month, because they've got sales targets to meet.

It's also worth pointing out that you'll usually get a better deal by selling privately.

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>> No. 4222 Anonymous
5th September 2018
Wednesday 8:59 pm
4222 Car intermittently "coughs"
HI lads,

Having a very strange problem with my 99 Celica 1.8 7A-FE.

The engine has a well-known issue with drinking oil, so I topped it up a couple of weeks ago. I mis-measured by about 100ml or so, meaning that the level ended up going to just cover the "F" marker on the dipstick; I consulted a mechanic who said it shouldn't be an issue - the oil level drops below full when the engine is started, indicating that it should be nowhere near the crankshaft.

Driving it a couple of days later, on the motorway, the car "stuttered", losing revs and engine braking for about half a second; this happened twice in quick succession before returning to normal.

I couldn't re-create the issue, and the mechanic said that wouldn't be a symptom of oil issues, anyway, so I went on driving it.

I had no issues for about a week, driving it about 200 miles in that time, until today. It did the exact same thing again but about 5 - 10 times over about a minute. before again returning to normal.

Any ideas what this might be? Dirt in the fuel? Failing spark plugs/wires? I'm waiting for it to cool down now to check the oil again.

Cheers, lads.
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>> No. 4229 Anonymous
8th September 2018
Saturday 12:12 am
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I've put a new air filter in, cleaned the intake (it builds up with carbon causing the throttle to stick closed until you like "stamp" on it after it gets cold and has done since before I got the car), checked the pipe, checked any and all vac lines I can see, dropped part of the under skirt to check for any deposited fluids, sat there manually operating the throttle to see what happened, put a brick on the throttle and watched for smoke.

Fucking nothing, and it's so intermittent, so like it's been suggested before it's likely electrical, which even in a car as simple as this may be a death sentence.

Fuark. I'll book it in for a service (I don't have the kit or space to do stuff like check the spark plugs or a full oil change at the moment) and hope for the best. I have to drive it 55 miles tomorrow so I'll hope it's having a good day.
>> No. 4230 Anonymous
8th September 2018
Saturday 1:07 pm
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>engine braking for about half a second

My car has done this twice in the last few months.

I am concerned now.
>> No. 4231 Anonymous
9th September 2018
Sunday 12:48 pm
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It drove home without a hitch, despite Mother Nature's best effort to send me skidding off the road in torrential pissing rain.

I really haven't a fucking clue.
>> No. 4232 Anonymous
9th September 2018
Sunday 3:57 pm
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>>4231
Check your flux capacitors lad
>> No. 4233 Anonymous
9th September 2018
Sunday 5:05 pm
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>>4232
Noted. Thanks, lad.

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>> No. 4193 Anonymous
21st July 2018
Saturday 6:42 pm
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What's the deal with undertaking?

Let's say you're on a three lane dual carriageway where the speed limit is 70mph. You're doing 70mph in the left lane and rapidly undertaking all the people in the middle and right lanes who somehow forgot that those lanes are for overtaking.

My motorbike instructor said it would be illegal to undertake these other road users and that it would fail you on the test and potentially get you a fine from traffic cops. The highway code backs it up. What's the logic behind that? There's obviously a danger in specifically getting into the left lane to overtake, but if your left lane just happens to be faster why are you supposed to keep to the speed of traffic on your right?

My car instructor didn't mention any of this and was fine with undertaking if your required lane just so happened to be going faster than the lane on your right. I guess on a motorbike you're far more fragile/hard to see so you're more at a danger from the bad drivers hogging the middle lane changing into your lane as your undertake.
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>> No. 4217 Anonymous
26th August 2018
Sunday 11:59 am
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>>4216

It just doesn't seem useful or correct to move back into the middle lane every 20 or so seconds, when you can clearly see a line of cars in the middle lane ahead of you. Why not just keep overtaking them in the right hand lane until you've passed them all?
>> No. 4218 Anonymous
26th August 2018
Sunday 12:06 pm
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>>4217
It's fine as long you're not holding up traffic, and being undertaken is a good sign of that.
>> No. 4219 Anonymous
26th August 2018
Sunday 12:40 pm
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>>4218

Or at 90mph it's a good sign of someone behind being impatient and unreasonable.

I don't like the victim blaming culture that's developed here
>> No. 4220 Anonymous
26th August 2018
Sunday 2:12 pm
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>>4219
You're not a fucking victim, m7.
>> No. 4221 Anonymous
26th August 2018
Sunday 2:13 pm
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>>4220

That's very empowering, thank you.

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>> No. 3953 Anonymous
2nd November 2017
Thursday 9:57 am
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Can I fix this with touch up paint?
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>> No. 4188 Anonymous
18th July 2018
Wednesday 4:20 pm
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>>3958
What's that corner bit called?
>> No. 4189 Anonymous
18th July 2018
Wednesday 6:29 pm
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>>3991

That's fantastic. What did you pick up? I've been cleaning up a 2012 Honda CBF125 bit by bit for a while now. It's mostly just been washing it and flicking through the Haynes manual, but if I find any resources I'll post them up for you.
>> No. 4190 Anonymous
18th July 2018
Wednesday 7:17 pm
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>>4189

What a fucking dickhead. I've just realised that's my own post from half a year ago.

I need real friends, .gs.
>> No. 4191 Anonymous
18th July 2018
Wednesday 7:32 pm
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>>4190
Look on the bright side. At least you didn't try starting a cunt-off with yourself.
>> No. 4192 Anonymous
18th July 2018
Wednesday 8:19 pm
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>>4191
Don't give him ideas.

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>> No. 4183 Anonymous
1st July 2018
Sunday 2:45 pm
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A m8 of mine has a cheap old motorbike from the 60s that's been stuck in his shed for a few years without being SORN'd. He never even put himself down as the registered owner on the V5C.

What are his options if he wants to sell the bike? If he suddenly registers himself as the owner and declares it SORN, won't the DVLA come a-knocking? If he bites the bullet and accepts the possibility of being penalised, wouldn't the penalties end up costing more than what the bike is worth? Could he just get rid of the numberplate and documentation and sell it 'as is', or could the DVLA somehow trace it back to him if the next owner tries to get the bike road legal? Would it be safer to just break it down into parts and sell them individually?
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>> No. 4184 Anonymous
1st July 2018
Sunday 3:23 pm
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>A m8
>> No. 4185 Anonymous
1st July 2018
Sunday 3:47 pm
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>If he suddenly registers himself as the owner and declares it SORN, won't the DVLA come a-knocking?

What for? If it's not used or stored on a public road then the DVLA really doesn't give a shit. They're also not going to suddenly ask your mate for five years of road tax if he puts the V5 in now - they have no proof (or any reason to believe) he didn't just buy the bike off someone else.

He just needs to register it in his name and immediately SORN it.
>> No. 4186 Anonymous
2nd July 2018
Monday 7:49 pm
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>>4183
In a similar position to OP, would love to know.
>> No. 4187 Anonymous
3rd July 2018
Tuesday 7:18 am
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As far as the DVLA is concerned, your mate is only responsible for the bike once his name is on the V5. He can very easily claim it's a barn find or similar - either way the responsibility of the bike falls on the previous owner right up until your mate registers as the new owner. He won't - can't - be held responsible for a vehicle he wasn't the registered owner/keeper of.

The fine for failing to SORN is a flat eighty quid anyway, so it's not even much of an issue.

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>> No. 4171 Anonymous
10th June 2018
Sunday 3:32 pm
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Do either of you have experiences with Intensive Driving Courses?

I'm thinking of booking a couple of weeks off work especially. I want my license, but I don't currently own a car. Should I just go for it and get the test over with?
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>> No. 4178 Anonymous
10th June 2018
Sunday 6:42 pm
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>>4171
I did both my motorbike license and car license this way - it is definitely the best!
>> No. 4179 Anonymous
10th June 2018
Sunday 10:14 pm
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My Mrs was doing a single 2 hours lesson a week for just over a month, just to get the basics down and get used to the car. Then she booked in an intensive week. She passed first time and the day she passed she booked in an advanced driving course so she could get some Motorway practice in. I do find if she wants to do something she just has an all or nothing attitude towards learning to do something. This style of learning obviously may not be for you.
>> No. 4180 Anonymous
11th June 2018
Monday 12:05 am
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>>4177
Just to echo the others, go for it. I did both my A and B license that way (though A was infinitely easier thanks to being able to practice on a CBT). As you've been around on two wheels already, you should have decent road sense already which is half the battle. You'll be able to concentrate on the mechanical aspect of maneuvering the car a lot more already, even if it'll take some adjustment to how you can perceive the road around you.
>> No. 4181 Anonymous
28th June 2018
Thursday 7:27 pm
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I've been looking into DAS courses locally and it seems the going rate is £850 for five days including a CBT, or £750 for four days if you've already got one. The nearest school to me is conveniently within walking distance but it seems a bit iffy. They don't do it in five consecutive days for everything but in 3 consecutive days for a CBT and Mod 1, and then you wait a week to do the Mod 2 (just in case in you failed the Mod 1). Does that sound alright or am I better off finding a place that does it all in five days?

I've heard about this place in the midlands called Circuit Based Training where a five day DAS course is £1450. It's more than double after you factor in accommodation and travel, but apparently they train you on a race track and teach you how to corner properly. It sounds promising but I guess you could achieve the same result by doing a DAS course locally and then immediately booking in some advanced training at a more local track.
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1st July 2018
Sunday 9:12 am
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I did a 30 hour course and passed first time with barely any prior driving experience. I'd booked a week off to do it all in go but when the instructor contacted me he advised doing no more than three hour lessons at a time (you just get bored/tired with any longer stint at the wheel) so we did some time in the weekends leading up to that week. Like has been mentioned elsewhere, if you've got prior road knowledge, I used to cycle all the time, it is a help as you have road 'sense'.

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