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>> No. 15734 Anonymous
11th August 2018
Saturday 5:34 pm
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/dr-gridlock/wp/2018/08/11/plane-stolen-by-suicidal-airline-worker-crashed-with-fighter-jets-in-pursuit-outside-seattle/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.fe0739ca470d

Plane stolen by ‘suicidal’ airline worker crashed as fighter jets pursued it outside Seattle

A Horizon Air employee described as “suicidal” commandeered an empty turboprop passenger plane at Seattle’s main airport Friday night and roared low over Puget Sound with a pair of Air Force F-15s in pursuit before crashing it into a small island, authorities said.

Pierce County Sheriff’s Department spokesman Ed Troyer ruled out terrorism, describing the suspect as an unnamed suicidal 29-year-old man from the county “doing stunts in the air” before the crash.

The man, referred to as “Rich” and “Richard” by air traffic controllers in tense recordings, said he was “just a broken guy” as authorities tried to divert the 76-seat Bombardier Q400 away from populated areas.
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>> No. 15735 Anonymous
11th August 2018
Saturday 6:51 pm
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>>15734
Story needs the audio from the radio messages
https://metro.co.uk/2018/08/11/bizarre-audio-stolen-horizon-air-plane-rogue-pilot-air-traffic-control-7826113/
>> No. 15736 Anonymous
11th August 2018
Saturday 7:34 pm
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>>15735

Pretty surreal.

At least he went out with a bang.
>> No. 15737 Anonymous
11th August 2018
Saturday 8:41 pm
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Someone on my social media was saying he was from the other place, which figures.
>> No. 15738 Anonymous
11th August 2018
Saturday 9:23 pm
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Some guy with issues went out on an ultimate joyride, barrel rolling in that type of plane is a feat beyond it's flight envelope so he was either insane or had balls of steel. If you see the video he avoids hitting the water by about 2 seconds in real time, the G as he was pulling out of the roll and the dive would have made control mostly impossible so he was lucky. I guess he tried it again but failed.

The worrying thing is that a really peaceful religious person could do this and fly the plane into a crowd of non believers....
>> No. 15739 Anonymous
11th August 2018
Saturday 9:29 pm
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>> No. 15740 Anonymous
11th August 2018
Saturday 9:37 pm
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>>15738

Well if you are going to off yourself anyway, then why not put a plane through its paces. When from your vantage point, the outcome doesn't matter anyway.

But I guess that's indeed the frame of mind you have to be in to even attempt the barrel roll of an 80-seat passenger airplane.

I'm sure you could even roll a 747. Have you seen the documentary where they tested the breaking strain of a 747's wings? They were able to bend a wing about 45 degrees upwards before it snapped and disintegrated with a loud bang.
>> No. 15741 Anonymous
11th August 2018
Saturday 9:52 pm
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>>15740

As someone who flies as a hobby, the taking off is easy, if the runway is long enough and with enough power, enough lift is generated through coanda effect and up you go. I had this happen with my first flight, the instructor made me 'take off' on my first ever flight but then explained to me the plane took off on it's own after we landed.
>> No. 15742 Anonymous
12th August 2018
Sunday 9:21 am
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>>15740

>I'm sure you could even roll a 747

There's nothing physically stopping a 747 from surviving a barrel roll or even a loop - as you say, those forces are well within the modern jumbo's safety limits.

The problem is more how quickly such a big plane would start dropping once your wings are pointing the wrong way up. You'd have to be very skilled to have any hope of keeping the thing in the air.

I'd also have to assume in most commercial airliners of that size, there's some sort of onboard safety system that just won't physically let a pilot bank a plane that hard. Though clearly this wasn't the case in the Q400, but I suppose that's a very small plane, relatively.


>> No. 15743 Anonymous
12th August 2018
Sunday 11:21 am
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>>15742

Modern jets are fly-by-wire, with automatic flight envelope control. A 787 or an A320 will just ignore your control inputs if you try to fly it at the limit. It's the aviation equivalent of anti-lock brakes or traction control - if the computer thinks you're doing something daft, it'll step in to correct you. It's basically impossible to stall or invert a modern jet, deliberately or accidentally.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flight_control_modes

The 747 has purely hydraulic controls and will quite happily do a barrel roll. If you fully commit to the manoeuvre, you'll only lose about 1000ft of altitude. Big jets have very gentle and benign handling characteristics, so it's surprisingly straightforward. You're far more likely to lose control in a light aircraft, because they don't have nearly as much natural stability as an airliner. The immense mass creates a lot of inertia, so they tend to be very smooth and progressive even if you're flying like a hooligan.

Brian Walpole claims to have barrel rolled Concorde during testing, which I imagine would be a bit hairy.
>> No. 15744 Anonymous
12th August 2018
Sunday 2:10 pm
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I wish this had happened a few months ago. I would have felt so much safer flying in a Dash 8 knowing that it can survive a full loop and a barrel roll.

One of my favourite parts of the audio is when he says "I don't need that much help, I've played some video games before".
>> No. 15745 Anonymous
12th August 2018
Sunday 8:16 pm
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>>15744

Were you on one of those dodgy Alaskan wilds type flights? There's nothing more terrifying even if you know the plane is structurally sound.

I couldn't help but work out which of the passengers we were going to have to eat first come the crash.
>> No. 15746 Anonymous
12th August 2018
Sunday 9:19 pm
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>>15745
I was flying into Glasgow so I suppose that's about the same.
>> No. 15747 Anonymous
12th August 2018
Sunday 9:31 pm
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>>15744

Are you not used to flying on turboprops? I love the Dash 8s, they're a lot bigger than some aircraft I've ridden on and the acceleration at takeoff is fun. They've got parful engines for all the size of them.
>> No. 15748 Anonymous
12th August 2018
Sunday 9:44 pm
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>>15747

They do feel a bit shaky sometimes. The ones that BA used to fly in to Dublin always felt like we'd somehow managed to fly into a pothole ridden part of the sky.

Single row seating though on one side, which was lovely.
>> No. 15749 Anonymous
12th August 2018
Sunday 9:55 pm
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>>15747
That was my first time on a turboprop. It was a decent enough flight, but the closeness of the approach to GLA did take me by surprise.
>> No. 15750 Anonymous
12th August 2018
Sunday 9:59 pm
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How is it that whatever the hobby, interest or narcotic that's brought up in a thread, at least two of you are well into it?
>> No. 15752 Anonymous
12th August 2018
Sunday 10:25 pm
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>>15750

We have no friends a lot of time on our hands.

There's a reason we keep telling lads on /emo/ they need more hobbies, it's because between the three of us we have about ninety.
>> No. 15753 Anonymous
12th August 2018
Sunday 10:25 pm
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>>15750

The site is full of actual nerds.
>> No. 15754 Anonymous
12th August 2018
Sunday 11:39 pm
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>>15750
All three of us are very busy, interesting people.
>> No. 15755 Anonymous
12th August 2018
Sunday 11:40 pm
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>>15753

I don't even know how a normal person might find this site, let alone be compelled to post on it.
>> No. 15756 Anonymous
13th August 2018
Monday 12:03 am
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>>15755

It just becomes their 'hing.

What's yours?
>> No. 15758 Anonymous
13th August 2018
Monday 12:39 am
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>>15747
>>15748

I was a passenger on an ATR72 of Binter Canarias last year when I was in the Canaries and went on a day trip from Gran Canaria to Fuerteventura.

Winds tend to be pretty hefty around Las Palmas Airport, and to a lesser extent at Fuerteventura Airport. It was certainly an adventure to be travelling on a turboprop under such conditions.

Then again, the standard Boeing 737 that Thomson have in their fleet struggle as well on approach to Las Palmas. The sea strait between Gran Canaria and Fuerteventura has the strongest sea currents of the entire archipelago, and with that comes a near-constant battering wind from southwesterly directions. Landing in Las Palmas is therefore a rollercoaster ride almost every time. Regardless of the kind of plane you are on.
>> No. 15759 Anonymous
13th August 2018
Monday 1:31 pm
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Here's some more audio:


>> No. 15779 Anonymous
15th August 2018
Wednesday 2:36 pm
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>>15759

He sounded like a great guy. RIP Rich.
>> No. 15780 Anonymous
15th August 2018
Wednesday 2:50 pm
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>>15779
He made suicide cool again.
>> No. 15781 Anonymous
16th August 2018
Thursday 2:17 am
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Been thinking about this for a while, even before I got chance to hear the audio - he brings up a similar point.

If your life is in such a shit state that you're doing this, landing it is going to make it so, SO much worse. You're in for a long stretch in American jail (or worse, their positively medieval mental health care system).
>> No. 15782 Anonymous
16th August 2018
Thursday 2:35 am
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>>15781

>If your life is in such a shit state that you're doing this, landing it is going to make it so, SO much worse. You're in for a long stretch in American jail (or worse, their positively medieval mental health care system).

While you're not wrong, nobody snaps the way he did with no prior warning. If he had listened to the signs and talked to someone about it, perhaps he could have got the help he needed, certainly enough to avoid the urge to dive bomb in a turboprop.

Then again, if this is just yet another case of a poor American bastard who couldn't afford even the most rudimentary counseling, then I can't say anything other than what a shit place America is right now. Britain might not be perfect but at least I'll never be in hundred grands worth of debt because I got ran over.
>> No. 15783 Anonymous
16th August 2018
Thursday 2:39 am
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>>15782
> Then again, if this is just yet another case of a poor American bastard who couldn't afford even the most rudimentary counseling, then I can't say anything other than what a shit place America is right now.

I've heard it said that America doesn't have so much a gun crisis as it does a mental health crisis. If you think mental health treatment is rudimentary and hard to access under the NHS then sit and think how grim things are for people in the states with no health insurance.
>> No. 15788 Anonymous
17th August 2018
Friday 12:19 am
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>>15783

One slightly more wild theory is that America polluted its water systems for decades with lead, and that the incidence of mental illness in the U.S. is higher because of it than in many other developed countries. Apparently, as a broad acting neurotoxin, lead can have a devastating effect on your mental and emotional wellbeing. Exposure in your young years is particularly hazardous. There are even statistics that claim that the rates of release of lead into the environment mainly from leaded petrol from the 1950s to 1970s caused a surge in juvenile crime up to 20 years later, when youngsters who were exposed to lead as infants became teenagers and young adults.

https://www.brookings.edu/blog/up-front/2017/06/01/new-evidence-that-lead-exposure-increases-crime/


More than that though, as somebody who spent two years living and working in the U.S., and being invited into coworkers' homes and spending countless weekends with them, my impression was that society there just tends to be f*cked up. Basically, young people and teenagers are made to suffer at the hands of scared middle aged and elderly people who have nothing but raw hatred for youths. And this system just perpetuates itself, and teenagers who grow up to become parents themselves treat their kids the same way. Parental violence against kids is on the one hand extremely illegal and can cause you to lose custody before you know it, but on the other hand, a "tough on teens" approach is almost par for the course and the path of virtue in U.S.-style parenting.

I think this is the source of about 70 percent of mental health issues that adults then find themselves in. The scars that were caused by sometimes shockingly authoritative parenting.

British parents get a lot of criticism for being too lenient with their offspring. And rightly so, at times. But living under one roof with American parents can be nothing short of gulag.
>> No. 15789 Anonymous
18th August 2018
Saturday 1:58 am
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>>15782
Everyone says people need help, but what about when the help you need isn't mental health related at all?
We're always happy to talk about counselling, or more money to the NHS, or early monitoring and being a bit nicer to each other, but we never seem to ask wider reaching questions about society. Sure, some people with perfectly steady lives get inexplicable anxiety problems - but equally, plenty of people have severe anxiety because they don't know whether they can make the rent this month, and if they do they know they'll be in the same situation next month and have to calculate whether they eat 2 weeks into that month and risk not paying the rent, or starve for a week. If you *aren't* anxious in that situation, you're probably mentally ill.

I appreciate it sounds a bit flippant and maybe a bit self-centred since this guy probably did need all sorts of mental health help, maybe it even seems a bit like trying to push a political agenda (It's not, I just wish we'd *talk* about it.) but it's really been reinforced by my own experience with what were *apparently* mental health problems. Looking back, for the entire period I was depressed, suicidal ideation, problem drinking, etc, it was because I was quite obviously going nowhere with my life and looking back on it they were on a complete wild goose chase trying to medicate that away. I didn't need drugs, I didn't need to talk about it (though I often did so at length and it helped me organise my thoughts), what I needed to escape from that hellish hole was a *future.*
>> No. 15790 Anonymous
18th August 2018
Saturday 7:19 am
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>>15789

No, I agree with you and believe it's a well documented phenomenon. Health professionals and GPs have inevitably picked up on this same trend. A blog post by a GP in Northern England spawned quite a good term called "shit life syndrome", the short and sweet entry here: http://gpforhire.blogspot.com/2010/04/shit-life-syndrome.html?m=1

Opinions on just how responsible the political/economic system are for general mental and physical health range from Michael Marmot, a reformist who wrote the Health Gap, or works like How Politics Makes Us Sick: Neoliberal Epidemics by Clare Bambra and Ted Schrecker.

Though I've not read much contemporary stuff specifically about mental health and politics, there's also a lot of work out there on how authoritarian psychiatry and psychology tends to be. I've not read him, but Thomas Szasz is probably the most influential.

Anecdotally, I've noticed the same thing as you. All the times in my life where I had "mental health problems" were actually predictable emotional responses to the pressures and environment I was experiencing at the time. Though I understand treatments like CBT can be immensely helpful to certain people, there's something extremely sinister when I hear politicians give it such high praise, while simultaneously making decisions that so obviously diminish general quality of life for the public. At it's worst, ir's a deliberate sleight of hand to pathologise people's reactions to political problems.

https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/david-cameron-has-created-a-mental-health-crisis-that-cant-be-solved-with-1-billion-worth-of-funding-a6807631.html
>> No. 15791 Anonymous
18th August 2018
Saturday 11:40 am
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>>15790

It could be said that being depressed and unhappy is the most rational thing to do if your life is objectively shitty.
>> No. 15792 Anonymous
18th August 2018
Saturday 11:45 am
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>>15790

A politician is happier to say that there is a mental health crisis and a failure in morality, than to admit that his policies are turning his country into a crossover between 1984, Benny Hill and Crossed.


>>15788

Google "Lead crime hypothesis"
>> No. 15793 Anonymous
18th August 2018
Saturday 3:06 pm
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>>15789

Sounds a lot like this to me: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Precariat
>> No. 15794 Anonymous
19th August 2018
Sunday 3:05 am
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>>15793

BLACK AIDS

(A good day to you Sir!)
>> No. 15795 Anonymous
19th August 2018
Sunday 4:41 pm
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I wish I was depressed again. Nothing's changed, I'm the same lonely cunt that does nothing but sit in his room all week in between going to work, but feeling miserable about it was better than not feeling anything about it at all.
>> No. 15796 Anonymous
19th August 2018
Sunday 5:17 pm
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>>15795

That is depression mate. You're just deeper than you were before.

It goes on so long that you begin to suspect you'll never feel anything about anything ever again. You just go through the motions, you don't get excited for the new films or games or whatever you enjoyed before, you scroll listlessly through articles and videos you'd have spent hours engrossed in before, you numbly hump away at whatever bird you've convinced to shag you and then just stare at the ceiling, you agree to go places and do things with her and the entire time you wish you were just at home staring into space. You still have friends when you actually think about it, you just don't want to spend time with them because if they come to yours they will see what a boring cunt you are, and if you go to theirs you'll be bored and won't want to do whatever it is they're up to, and you definitely don't go to the pub in case you bump into one of those people you were vaguely friends with a few years ago and just kind of disappeared on.

It gets so deep that I don't think there's really any going back, you just spend the rest of your days sort of pretending not to be a soulless robotic husk. After that you actually feel kind of okay about it and realise what a relief it is not to have to worry about feelings any more. Then you break up with the lass you'd been steady with because fuck it, what was the point. Then you find a new one who's probably one of those Mental Slags we're always telling each other to avoid but fuck it, she's exciting like nothing you've had in years. It will almost certainly end up in disaster buy you're far beyond giving a fuck at all.

Sage because I kind of went off on one there.
>> No. 15797 Anonymous
19th August 2018
Sunday 5:24 pm
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>>15796
There's far too much social interaction in this post for me to relate at all.
>> No. 15798 Anonymous
19th August 2018
Sunday 5:33 pm
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>>15797
If you're paying attention, that means you're right about the point in otherlad's timeline where you've stopped hanging out with your mates and may or may not be about to find find an ex-anorexic with drug problems to bonk.
>> No. 15800 Anonymous
19th August 2018
Sunday 5:59 pm
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>>15798
Well I don't have any mates to stop hanging around with and dont encouner anybody anyway.

Please refrain from suggesting some sort of social interaction is going to happen, it never has and there's no reason for it to do so.
>> No. 15801 Anonymous
19th August 2018
Sunday 6:05 pm
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>>15800

>it never has and there's no reason for it to do so.

That might be the real issue here, no?

Even introverts get lonely eventually.
>> No. 15802 Anonymous
20th August 2018
Monday 1:00 pm
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>>15801


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dbh_k5GLRuQ
>> No. 15803 Anonymous
20th August 2018
Monday 1:36 pm
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>>15796
Oh. 'Story of my life' post. I still enjoy my tea and coffee though, and a bunch of favourite meals.

Rage thoroughly checked.
>> No. 15804 Anonymous
20th August 2018
Monday 3:20 pm
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>>15798

Not him, but I've been through that phase including dropping all my mates and fucking a an ex-anorexic with drug problems. Currently lost and requesting advice on what to do next.

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