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|>>|| No. 19943
How is it possible to hang yourself while on suicide watch? Are we being told the full story?
|>>|| No. 19945
I had a feeling this was only going to end this way.
He seems like a very bad man. It also seems like quite a few other people were fond of hanging out with him and sometimes shagging underage women. This is going to be a whole great big story but not the death bit.
|>>|| No. 19951
That is clearly 4chan gossip bullshit, that is as good as made up. You might as well quote Qanon and your Hillary emails that prove pizzagate if that's your level of evidence.
I like everyone else speculate about him being bumped off. But that isnt evidence. This is /news/ not /boo/.
|>>|| No. 19954
I am happy to be proven wrong but isn't that twitter the very litteral definition of fake news?
|>>|| No. 19955
Screenshot_2019-08-10 BNL NEWS ( BreakingNLive) Tw.png
Then you're dumb as rocks. I'm willing to consider something shady going on here, but not evidence from this account. All three of these claims are lies and the only one that's true is the bottom one, but it's framed like charging a man for a crime is weird somehow.
Breaking News Live News has over one-hundred-thousand followers by the way. Sleep well!
|>>|| No. 19957
The AOC one is actually true in that she has said words to that effect now, I'm not sure if she expressly asked for an investigation. I'm not sure if this was true at the time of that tweet. But it is a rather safe gamble if you are going to attempt to front run reality.
|>>|| No. 19959
>How is it possible to hang yourself while on suicide watch?
"Suicide watch" is mostly bullshit. If they're checking you at fifteen minute intervals, you can hang yourself with time to spare; if you're determined enough to slash your throat down to the carotid artery, you can bleed to death in three minutes. No prison has sufficient resources to watch vulnerable inmates 24/7. I assume Epstein is an intelligent and resourceful chap with a talent for subterfuge; there's no way a mainstream prison unit could have deprived him of the means and opportunity to kill himself.
I'm not ruling out the possibility of a conspiracy, but people top themselves in prisons and psychiatric inpatient units on a daily basis.
|>>|| No. 19960
Indeed to hear people talk online about this you would assume that suicide watch is a fool proof solution. If he had clothes he had enough materials to kill himself with a bit of dignity. If he was completely mad but determined, he could have run full force and head butted the wall.
beyond strapping a person down entirely there really isn't the enviroment you could fully stop a suicide.
|>>|| No. 19963
If I had been convincingly framed as being a pedo cult leader I'd probably off myself too.
|>>|| No. 19964
It's worth remembering that even if you are suspected of having committed the most heinous crimes imaginable, you are still innocent until proven guilty. Which is what tabloids and sensationalist media make a living purposely forgetting. And that is the problem. Even if you are found not guilty of all charges beyond reasonable doubt, you will still look like a paedo/rapist/wrongun who got away.
|>>|| No. 19965
Yes, but there's "de facto" and "de jure", and this old sod was de facto banged to rights.
|>>|| No. 19966
This perversion of the presumption of innocence leads people to expect that it's only a matter of time, rather than evidence.
|>>|| No. 19967
Not completely related to your point, but there is an old saying in law enforcement that during the course of a suspect imterrogation, the dirty ones get dirtier, and the clean ones get cleaner. Time can also work in your favour in that respect.
|>>|| No. 19969
That's a witness testimony at best. Which carries weight, don't get me wrong, but on its own, it's just circumstantial incriminating evidence and a court will have to decide if it is credible.
|>>|| No. 19971
Why are comma splices and a lack of capitalisation acceptable here recently?
|>>|| No. 19974
You're meant to report posters doing this.
Although when I've reported it before the mods haven't done anything.
|>>|| No. 19977
That was posted several hours before his death hit the mainstream media. It wasn't the only post in the thread that claimed things that were later reported by the media.
|>>|| No. 19979
Christ this thread has been hit so hard with sources that wouldn't even be considered /boo/ worthy that I am wondering if this is genuinely psyOps to make me think "only complete fruitloops believe he didn't commit suicide".
|>>|| No. 19980
These are reddit comments and should be taken with a skipful of salt, but I've seen a couple of people who've claimed to have worked in suicide watch in prisons and they were adamant that it should be impossible. Firstly there are no regular linens allowed - inmates are forced to wear a 'pickle suit', a sort of velcro-tied smock made of plastic padding that cannot be torn. If there's any risk of the inmate trying to bash their head against a wall as a deperate measure, they'll just be strapped to a bed, no matter how distressing they find it. This isn't your average psychiatric ward where patients' comfort and well-being is a concern - the screws just want the person to be unable to kill themselves, end of story.
It's perfectly possible that they just buggered up of course. But while I'm not as conspiratorial as most folk, I still find this all rather dodgy. The fact that with his death, a full federal criminal case will now not be launched is mightily convenient. It isn't a stretch to assume that some very wealthy and powerful people saw his trial as a threat and decided that bumping him off - or engineering a situation where he was free to bump himself off - was the safest course of action.
|>>|| No. 19981
he was just a pawn, man, just a pawn
another one will take his place
|>>|| No. 19982
It only took one day after his death to establish that he was taken off suicide watch, so you can all stop wondering how someone on suicide watch was able to commit suicide.
What we should be wondering is why he was taken off suicide watch when he was so clearly a suicide risk, and that is the subject of the impending inquiry.
|>>|| No. 19985
>What we should be wondering is why he was taken off suicide watch when he was so clearly a suicide risk, and that is the subject of the impending inquiry.
The best any psychiatrist can do is ask somebody, "Are you sucidal?". There are probably some more refined interviewing techniques that come into play to establish if an inmate might actually off themselves or not, but in the end, if somebody insists they aren't suicidal when you ask them straightforwardly, then you will just have to take their word for it.
The therapist I was seeing for a while told me about one of her patients who went to see her for about a year, and during that time he never even once hinted at any kind of suicidal tendencies. Until the morning he jumped in front of a commuter train.
|>>|| No. 19986
People who aren't really serious about suicide will often admit to suicidal thoughts in the belief that it'll get them better treatment; people who are determined to kill themselves will often lie about it so that no-one tries to stop them. People with the most severe depressive symptoms tend not to attempt suicide, because they're just too depressed to pick a method, make a plan and carry it out; when someone starts recovering from a severe depressive episode, their risk of suicide tends to increase because they've got more energy to actually carry it out. Conversely, some people appear to be recovering just before a suicide attempt - the relief of thinking that it'll all be over soon makes them seem more cheerful.
We have some standardised tools for assessing suicide risk, but they're hardly better than guesswork - either you miss loads of people who are a high suicide risk, or you identify loads of people who aren't suicidal at all.
|>>|| No. 19987
Maybe that ties in with the often observed effect that when you first start taking antidepressants, your symptoms can actually worsen before they get better. I've dabbled in antidepressants myself, and I can attest to the fact that what you immediately notice is that the fog of your worst depressive symptoms starts to clear due to the changes in brain chemistry, and even if your type of antidepressant is more a downer, you feel like you are getting energy back. That might cause some people to actually work up the courage to take on offing themselves, but in my case, I kind of went straight from being depressed to feeling like the world wasn't such a horrible place after all.
I'm back on mirtazapine these days, but not for its antidepressant effect, but because I've suffered from insomnia for years, and mirtazapine is well known to have good off-label effectiveness against it. My GP said that because I tolerated mirtazapine very well when I was depressed, there'd be no harm in me trying it for insomnia as well before we'd try out actual insomnia drugs that could have adverse effects. And he was right, it really works wonders.
|>>|| No. 19988
>their risk of suicide tends to increase because they've got more energy to actually carry it out.
Fucking hell, this hit me a little bit tonight. There's the similar phenomenon with heroin addicts where relapsing is the most dangerous time for them. I can see how devastating both could be to the loved ones of someone who has been at rock bottom and is just starting to show signs of hope.
|>>|| No. 19989
update: he had a sock stuffed down his throat
(A good day to you Sir!)
|>>|| No. 19990
I wonder where a man might have found a sock.
Also, learn to post properly, you shitstain.
|>>|| No. 19993
Mental illness is fucking grim.
I've read a case report of someone killing themselves by stuffing toilet paper down their throat and another of someone using their fingernails to pick a hole through their flesh down to a major artery. I've seen post-mortem photos of someone who partially decapitated himself with a hand saw. If you can't imagine how anyone could do that to themselves, consider yourself lucky.
|>>|| No. 19997
Well all those unfucked neckbeards in their mum's basement have to do something with all the free time that chronic unemployment affords them.
|>>|| No. 19998
latest gossip is that this temple on epstein's island is a kind of stargate teleportation device he used to escape jail
(A good day to you Sir!)
|>>|| No. 19999
Lad, you need to live in a posh area to have a usable basement, which means younng Jocasta / Porphyria will be living off a trust fund or bursary.
Hang on, we're discussing Americans. Why, exactly?
|>>|| No. 20001
Bottom-right: I can art better than you, you cro-magnon chalk-crushing shitpiece - ohhhh don't you dare look at me like that - I LIVED IN A HIPPY COMMUNE I KNOW HOW TO ELUCIDATE PAIN AND FEELINGS
|>>|| No. 20003
I demand that we overthrow the mods unless they immediately start banning this no-caps cunt and his flimsy at best grasp of the English language. I shouldn't have to look at this >>19998 shit on .gs.
|>>|| No. 20006
That would have made a much better speech at the end of Blade Runner.
But seriously, where did you see all this?
|>>|| No. 20012
UNCONFIRMED REPORTS TO INDICATE THAT JULIAN ASSANGE IS DEAD
|>>|| No. 20019
Stop fucking posting like a cretin. Start using actual sentences and definitely start using fucking capitals. This is your final warning.
|>>|| No. 20021
WE WARNED HIM. WE BLOODY WARNED HIM BUT HE WOULDN'T BLOODY LISTEN.
|>>|| No. 20022
"We're going to cite another publication but not link to the article, reducing our relatively unknown group's credibility."
n1 journos. Tinfoil hats won't know what hit 'em.
|>>|| No. 20055
It wasn't the Kindle edition she was pictured reading.
Obvious fake is fake.
|>>|| No. 20073
Could you fuck off with this cropped-screenshot-bollocks, if you want to have a conversation about Epstein fucking start one, you thick shit. Don't just post random snippets of shite like this was your typo-strewn Facebook feed, you massive, useless, dickhead.
No one sucks the life out of conspiracy theories like fucking conspiracy theorists.
|>>|| No. 20074
>No one sucks the life out of conspiracy theories like fucking conspiracy theorists.
That's what THEY want you to think.
|>>|| No. 20075
We are going to continue to get a thread full of unproductive shite until the mods take a stand against this shit posting prick.
What happened to the 'this is not a democracy' 'stick there head on a pike outside the tower of London' modding of yesteryear. Let's call a shitposter a shit poster and discipline them. There is a discussion worth having here, but it can't be had when we have someone spamming fake news.
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