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>> No. 20882 Anonymous
10th January 2020
Friday 12:40 pm
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Gemma Watts: Woman posed as teenage boy on social media to sexually assault up to 50 girls, police reveal

A woman posed as a teenage boy to sexually assault up to 50 girls after grooming them on social media, police have revealed.

Gemma Watts, 21, pretended to be a boy called Jake as she preyed on girls aged between 14 and 16, wrapping her long hair into a baseball cap and wearing baggy clothes to cover her figure. She groomed victims on Instagram and Snapchat for weeks before finally setting up meetings, disguising herself so convincingly that the victims, their parents, and even some police officers did not realise she was female.

Watts, a former promising footballer, tricked the girls into sexual activity and sharing intimate photos as they believed she was their boyfriend. Some only discovered the truth about Watts’ gender when told by police. Detectives say as many as 50 teenage girls around the country may have fallen victim to Watts, who is facing a possible jail sentence today after being convicted of a string of sexual assault and grooming offences.

In November last year Watts admitted three charges of sexual assault, assault by penetration, and three counts of meeting a child following sexual grooming, but DC Phillippa Kenwright said she believes as many as 50 young girls around the UK may have been targeted.


https://www.standard.co.uk/news/crime/gemma-watts-sexual-assault-50-girls-a4331066.html
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>> No. 20883 Anonymous
10th January 2020
Friday 12:45 pm
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Disgusting.
>Messages showed she showered young girls with complements
What is this, the Guardian?
>> No. 20890 Anonymous
10th January 2020
Friday 9:50 pm
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> disguising herself so convincingly that the victims, their parents, and even some police officers did not realise she was female


How the fuck does she look even remotely like a boy in the picture on the right. One without a hormone problem anyway.

It's depressing in its own way when you're an adult and you suddenly realise how utterly gullible teenage girls are, and when you then think that you could have had tonnes of shagging at that age with that knowledge.
>> No. 20891 Anonymous
11th January 2020
Saturday 12:30 am
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>> No. 20892 Anonymous
11th January 2020
Saturday 12:32 am
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>>20890
Honestly if someone walks into your house claiming to be a 16 year old boy, sort of looks like one and has someone else with them telling you they are a 16 year old boy, you'd probably buy it. Most adults don't want to tell a teenager how funny looking they are either.
>> No. 20901 Anonymous
13th January 2020
Monday 4:42 pm
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>>20892

>Honestly if someone walks into your house claiming to be a 16 year old boy, sort of looks like one and has someone else with them telling you they are a 16 year old boy


I know you're not going to believe me, but I'm normally pretty good with spotting these things.

Most people evidently aren't, but I don't think you'd fool me.
>> No. 20902 Anonymous
13th January 2020
Monday 5:17 pm
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>>20901
But are you going to mention it, and even if you did will your teenage child take notice? Especially in this age of 'gender as a social construct'.
>> No. 20903 Anonymous
13th January 2020
Monday 5:38 pm
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>>20902

>Especially in this age of 'gender as a social construct'.


A girl dressed as a boy will still be physically a girl.

It occasionally still blows my mind that some people today think that that basic idea is no longer valid, or even offensive.
>> No. 20905 Anonymous
13th January 2020
Monday 6:00 pm
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>>20902
If a daughter of mine brought home a social construct I'd kick her out.
>> No. 20906 Anonymous
13th January 2020
Monday 8:37 pm
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Even a girl badly disguised as an ugly teenager boy gets more pussy than me!
>> No. 20907 Anonymous
13th January 2020
Monday 8:37 pm
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Even a girl badly disguised as an ugly teenager boy gets more pussy than me!
>> No. 20908 Anonymous
13th January 2020
Monday 8:42 pm
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>>20906
She put the effort in, a lot of graft. What are you doing?
>> No. 20909 Anonymous
13th January 2020
Monday 11:18 pm
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>>20906
>>20907

Then maybe disguise yourself as a girl who's badly disguised as an ugly teenage boy.


Also,

>pussy

When did .gs become third-rate gangsta rap or a shit American porn movie?
>> No. 20910 Anonymous
13th January 2020
Monday 11:19 pm
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>>20903
Must be cramped in that small, bigoted little mind of yours.
>> No. 20911 Anonymous
13th January 2020
Monday 11:27 pm
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>>20910
You don't need a big mind if you can keep it nice and clean, and not pack it full of bullshit.
>> No. 20912 Anonymous
13th January 2020
Monday 11:30 pm
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>>20911
"I'm simple" is not a great comeback.
>> No. 20913 Anonymous
13th January 2020
Monday 11:31 pm
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>>20912
It's not a comeback.
>> No. 20914 Anonymous
13th January 2020
Monday 11:32 pm
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>>20912

Wouldn't it be more simple to let false ideas enter your hardware limited mind space in the first place?
>> No. 20915 Anonymous
13th January 2020
Monday 11:34 pm
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>>20914
You'd need some sort of mechanism to keep them out which is an added complexity.
>> No. 20916 Anonymous
13th January 2020
Monday 11:42 pm
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>>20915

I think we've had the critical thinking mechanism you're talking about since we first found a toxic berry similarly coloured to a nutritious berry.
>> No. 20917 Anonymous
13th January 2020
Monday 11:54 pm
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>>20916
All the more astonishing that you've lost it.
>> No. 20918 Anonymous
13th January 2020
Monday 11:55 pm
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>>20917

If I couldn't tell the difference between boys and girls how could I tell who to carpet-bagger and who to fart on?
>> No. 20919 Anonymous
13th January 2020
Monday 11:58 pm
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>>20918
I've no reason to believe you can.
>> No. 20920 Anonymous
14th January 2020
Tuesday 12:01 am
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>>20919

I've no reason to believe you can tell whether I can.
>> No. 20924 Anonymous
14th January 2020
Tuesday 4:33 am
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>>20919
>>20920

WE'RE ALL JUST BRAINS IN JARS!!!!!!111ONE
>> No. 20933 Anonymous
14th January 2020
Tuesday 8:40 am
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>>20924
You needn't be a brain in a jar to see there's no evidence >>20918 can do what they're claiming.
>> No. 20935 Anonymous
14th January 2020
Tuesday 2:04 pm
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>>20933

"Do what they're claiming?" Tell the difference between boys and girls?
>> No. 20936 Anonymous
14th January 2020
Tuesday 2:39 pm
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>>20935
Tell who to carpet-bagger and who to fart on. Your reading comprehension is abysmal.
>> No. 20937 Anonymous
14th January 2020
Tuesday 2:49 pm
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>>20936

That's just a fancy way of saying tell the difference between boys and girls you filthy carpet-bagger.
>> No. 20938 Anonymous
14th January 2020
Tuesday 5:25 pm
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>>20936

>Tell who to carpet-bagger and who to fart on

So then how do you determine that?
>> No. 20939 Anonymous
14th January 2020
Tuesday 5:57 pm
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I can't work out if I'd shag her or not. Looks like she'd be up for owt, including plunging a knife into you mid-sex.
>> No. 20940 Anonymous
14th January 2020
Tuesday 6:02 pm
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>>20939
AMS m8
>> No. 20941 Anonymous
14th January 2020
Tuesday 6:34 pm
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Would pass for a boy with the dog filter on.
>> No. 20942 Anonymous
14th January 2020
Tuesday 6:37 pm
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>>20939

Benefits porn.
>> No. 20943 Anonymous
14th January 2020
Tuesday 6:47 pm
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>>20942
Does chav porn exist? It seems like it should be a thing.
>> No. 20944 Anonymous
14th January 2020
Tuesday 6:58 pm
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>>20943
Is this your first day on the internet? Of course it exists.
>> No. 20945 Anonymous
14th January 2020
Tuesday 7:06 pm
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>>20944
Yes, but as a fully fleshed out niche. Not just grainy footage of some council estate bint getting fucked.
>> No. 20946 Anonymous
14th January 2020
Tuesday 7:09 pm
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>>20945

It's huge in gay porn. They prefer to call them scallies though.
>> No. 20947 Anonymous
14th January 2020
Tuesday 8:03 pm
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>>20945
It wouldn't be authentically chav porn if it wasn't just grainy footage of some council estate bint getting fucked. "Fully fleshed out" in porn means some generic plastic surgery American looking tart wearing a brand new Addidas tracksuit while faking a Manc accent in a set done up to look like a bedroom with mis-matching football posters.
>> No. 20949 Anonymous
14th January 2020
Tuesday 8:12 pm
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>>20943

Well, you can find a lot of deepfakes of Maislie Williams. That's as chavy as you could get without having to go into a council estate.
>> No. 20950 Anonymous
14th January 2020
Tuesday 8:15 pm
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>>20947

There's plenty of that grainy stuff you're describing, but frankly any porn involving a UK bird is going to be de facto chav porn - not many upper class women tend to get into the industry.
>> No. 20951 Anonymous
14th January 2020
Tuesday 8:17 pm
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>>20945

Killergram have got loads of chavvy stuff.
>> No. 20953 Anonymous
14th January 2020
Tuesday 9:10 pm
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>>20950
>any porn involving a UK bird is going to be de facto chav porn

Nope. Not Mansfield's finest.

https://www.pornhub.com/view_video.php?viewkey=1070068586
>> No. 20955 Anonymous
15th January 2020
Wednesday 12:30 am
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>>20953

Wood.

Would.
>> No. 20960 Anonymous
15th January 2020
Wednesday 9:12 pm
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Then again, maybe she is a chav.

https://www.xvideos.com/video29793793/ava_dalush_pissing_in_public
>> No. 20961 Anonymous
15th January 2020
Wednesday 9:29 pm
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>>20960

Uninteresting anecdote:

About fifteen years ago, I was walking around town and saw a very embarrassed and completely nude woman walk past me. I was a bit of a wreckhead at the time, so I wasn't entirely sure if I'd hallucinated it. Many years later, entirely by chance, I stumbled across that exact public nudism scene on PornHub.

There's nothing that'll put you off your stroke like unexpectedly seeing your younger self shambling past Dixons in an intoxicated fug.
>> No. 20962 Anonymous
15th January 2020
Wednesday 9:40 pm
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>>20961
Link?
>> No. 20964 Anonymous
16th January 2020
Thursday 12:19 am
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>>20960

I'm reminded suddenly of a bird I used to talk to as a teenlad on MSN, I'd met her on AOL or Yahoo chat or something, she was an asian goth bird who was into kink at an impossibly young age, and inevitably she got into doing porn. I'm not even sure if she was legal by the point she started, but I still have the image imprinted in my mind of a video she sent me of her pissing in an Amsterdam back-alley.

What is it with that type of seedy, predatory amateur porn and public pissing? Probably responsible for turning me into the deviant I am today.
>> No. 20965 Anonymous
16th January 2020
Thursday 1:33 am
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>>20964

For whatever reason there was an absolute glut of birds on Yahoo chat in the late 90s who were into all kinds of filth and kink at a ridiculously young age. I don't know if it was just that the internet at the time attracted a larger percentage of weirdos or what but I remember meeting lasses who were into being vacuum-packed, mutual self harm and blood play and all kinds of weird shit in between.

Personally I blame that Slipknot lot and that Marilyn Manson. Corrupting our kiddies. Fucking two-pin din plugs the lot of them.
>> No. 20966 Anonymous
16th January 2020
Thursday 6:52 am
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>>20965
MSN Messenger used to have its own chat rooms, with a number of them meant to be 18+ but I was using them from the age of about 13. I met a lot of weirdos that way, lots of cyber sex.
>> No. 20967 Anonymous
16th January 2020
Thursday 6:55 pm
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>>20966

I really miss those days. I realise half of the "girls" I spoke to will have been old pedos trying to groom me, but it just isn't the same these days. You don't get lasses on POF quite as eager to show you their fanny on a grainy 320x240 webcam.
>> No. 20968 Anonymous
16th January 2020
Thursday 7:29 pm
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>>20967
>You don't get lasses on POF quite as eager to show you their fanny on a grainy 320x240 webcam.

Girls aged between 11 and 13 are increasingly being tricked and coerced into performing sexually over their own webcams, data suggests. The Internet Watch Foundation said 80% of the sexual selfies it found in its relentless trawl for images of child sexual abuse were of children this age.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-51052076

Unfortunately you've got to target the youngsters if you're into that sort of thing, which isn't recommended.
>> No. 20969 Anonymous
16th January 2020
Thursday 9:11 pm
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>>20966

Wish I'd known about that. When we got the internet, the first thing I looked for was the game I played on the school PC (Wolfenstein 3D).

I ended up at werewolf.com. AIM'd loads of people on there, one of them introduced me to a furry forum, and from there I ended up getting into the sex chatrooms at 13, posing as a 21 year old (because 18 would be too obvious, right?). Great times. Really fucked up but very interesting.

There were some absolute melts on there, I ended up getting banned at 17 for failing to provide ID after getting sick of people's shit and calling out the wrong people, but just bowed out and took it as a win.

Saw so many people get banned for being underage in that time.

Do you think getting into that stuff at 13 warped you? I'm wondering if it did me, but my actual fetish (incest) seemed to progress quite naturally from having a horrendously fit cousin I didn't meet until puberty.
>> No. 20970 Anonymous
17th January 2020
Friday 1:05 am
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>>20968
> The Internet Watch Foundation said 80% of the sexual selfies it found in its relentless trawl for images of child sexual abuse were of children this age.

I wonder how advanced the IWF's machine learning algorithms are that they can cyber-carbon-date fannies at 320x240 webcam resolution.
>> No. 20971 Anonymous
17th January 2020
Friday 5:53 am
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>>20969
>my actual fetish (incest) seemed to progress quite naturally from having a horrendously fit cousin I didn't meet until puberty

Seeing as 90% of porn these days seems to be step-mum or step-sister I reckon incest is going to become a lot more common.
>> No. 20972 Anonymous
17th January 2020
Friday 5:56 am
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Actually people seemed to be really into aliens last year. I think this is as a result of a lot more Japanese and Chinese traffic to Pornhub.
>> No. 20973 Anonymous
17th January 2020
Friday 9:54 am
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>>20972
I reckon the alien searches are just from that horror porn video.
>> No. 20974 Anonymous
17th January 2020
Friday 10:32 am
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>>20973

You're piqued my curiosity now.
>> No. 20975 Anonymous
17th January 2020
Friday 10:51 am
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>>20974
https://www.pornhub.com/view_video.php?viewkey=ph5bdc2727ba4bd
>> No. 20976 Anonymous
17th January 2020
Friday 2:35 pm
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>>20972

Perhaps it's all the trump voter septics wanting to see illegal alien mexican porn. Like, suck my dick or I'm calling ICE type scenarios.
>> No. 20977 Anonymous
17th January 2020
Friday 5:13 pm
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>>20972
You wouldn't need to search for incest porn because it's constantly plastered all over the front page. But anyway, I suspect that list is doctored curated to be quite honest. I mean it's bad optics even for a pornographer to put out an ad that says "hey everyone, we are world's leading purveyor of incest porn".
>> No. 20978 Anonymous
17th January 2020
Friday 6:56 pm
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>>20971

This was back about 15 years ago, the only stuff I could get was on the Kristen Archives. Was quite nice to see it blow up in a way, but now it just makes it that much harder to find decent content in the sea of dross.
>> No. 20979 Anonymous
17th January 2020
Friday 8:18 pm
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>>20978
>the Kristen Archives

?
>> No. 20980 Anonymous
17th January 2020
Friday 8:29 pm
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>>20977

It's a list of trending keywords rather than the most popular keywords, which does include the keyword "step mom".

Also, can anyone explain to me why so many women get a wide-on for Owen Gray?
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17th January 2020
Friday 8:31 pm
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>>20980

Also, why do women near the equator seem to be bang into bum fun?

Porn statistics are an endless source of mysteries.
>> No. 20982 Anonymous
17th January 2020
Friday 8:38 pm
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>>20981
Arses. Great big round ones. They put our women's arses to shame.
>> No. 20983 Anonymous
17th January 2020
Friday 9:00 pm
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>>20982

Does having a big arse make you want to get shagged up the arse and/or watch other women get shagged up the arse?
>> No. 20984 Anonymous
17th January 2020
Friday 9:07 pm
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>>20983
Does having a big belly mean you're more likely to want to be filled up with food?
>> No. 20985 Anonymous
17th January 2020
Friday 9:23 pm
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>>20984

Yes, that's why chubbies stay chubby.
>> No. 20986 Anonymous
17th January 2020
Friday 9:29 pm
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>>20985
Exactly. Big arses crave cock.
>> No. 20987 Anonymous
17th January 2020
Friday 9:30 pm
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>>20981

Peru keeping the dream alive.
>> No. 20988 Anonymous
18th January 2020
Saturday 1:01 pm
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>>20981

So why do Arabs like anal so much then?

Isn't porn censored completely in those countries?
>> No. 20989 Anonymous
18th January 2020
Saturday 1:13 pm
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>>20988
They just bugger everyone and everything. Look what happened to Gaddafi when he was captured.
>> No. 20991 Anonymous
18th January 2020
Saturday 3:38 pm
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>>20989

I just did a google picture search with the words "arab anal".

It's kind of disturbing to see women wearing nothing but a hijab engaged in hardcore porn.

Or maybe I'm just wondering what the point of a head scarf is if someone's got her minge and bumhole spread so wide that you can see up to her teeth.
>> No. 20992 Anonymous
18th January 2020
Saturday 3:44 pm
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>>20991
I went to uni with a lass who always wore a niqab. She gave me a right stonk on. There was something about her eyes, the only part of her I could see, that was fiery and passionate.

Halal on the streets. Haram between the sheets.
>> No. 20993 Anonymous
18th January 2020
Saturday 4:07 pm
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>>20992

There was a group of girls, well, three or four of them, at my university who also always dressed in traditional eskimo garments, with few exceptions, and they largely stayed among themselves and didn't seem to have many non-Arab friends.

We referred to their clique as the suicide bombers. Which was of course massively politically incorrect, but it made for a few jokes about it between me and my friends, like, during a boring as fuck maths lecture, with those girls sitting ten feet behind us, my mate said to me, "Can't we just get this over with and have the girls push their button".
>> No. 20994 Anonymous
18th January 2020
Saturday 4:15 pm
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>>20993
>We referred to their clique as the suicide bombers.
>they largely stayed among themselves and didn't seem to have many non-Arab friends.

Weird, huh? Fucking moron.
>> No. 20995 Anonymous
18th January 2020
Saturday 4:18 pm
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>>20994

As I said, it was massively politically incorrect.
>> No. 20996 Anonymous
18th January 2020
Saturday 4:27 pm
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>>20993

If it was a group of men you could have called them the suicide bummers.
>> No. 20997 Anonymous
18th January 2020
Saturday 4:52 pm
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>>20995
No, you're just not funny. The fact you're bringing up that joke your mate made, probably seven to twelve years after the fact tells me what kind of a cretin you are.
>> No. 20999 Anonymous
18th January 2020
Saturday 4:57 pm
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>>20997

Too right mate, not all eskimos are daft militant wogs. It's important we defend the rights of darkies to inspire fear wherever they go by isolating themselves and dressing in traditional daft militant wog garb. I bet that cunt didn't even think his mate's joke was funny, he was just doing it to be racist.
>> No. 21000 Anonymous
18th January 2020
Saturday 5:01 pm
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>>20997

So it's fine to objectify eskimo women, like otherlad did a few posts up, but heaven forbid you bring up one poor taste joke from one or two decades ago.
>> No. 21002 Anonymous
18th January 2020
Saturday 5:06 pm
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>>21000
Objectifying Asian women means you're treating them equally with normal women. It's difficult to see it as being prejudiced.
>> No. 21003 Anonymous
18th January 2020
Saturday 5:11 pm
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>>21002

So as long as you treat everybody equally badly, there's nothing wrong with it?
>> No. 21004 Anonymous
18th January 2020
Saturday 5:13 pm
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>>21002
I remember when casual sexism been acceptable around here?
>> No. 21005 Anonymous
18th January 2020
Saturday 5:16 pm
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>>21004
Be an equal opportunities cunt.
>> No. 21006 Anonymous
18th January 2020
Saturday 5:20 pm
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>>21005
Yeah, like your mum's.
>> No. 21007 Anonymous
18th January 2020
Saturday 5:37 pm
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>>21004
That's not what I wanted to write at all. Fuck.
>> No. 21008 Anonymous
18th January 2020
Saturday 5:49 pm
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>>21002

Do you mean good Asians or bad Asians?
>> No. 21009 Anonymous
18th January 2020
Saturday 6:27 pm
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>>21008
>Good Asians

You mean Orientals?
>> No. 21010 Anonymous
18th January 2020
Saturday 7:16 pm
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>>21009

I meant dead.
>> No. 21011 Anonymous
18th January 2020
Saturday 9:06 pm
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>>21003

Pretty much. Not every demographic is a monolith. If I take the piss out of Caitlyn Jenner, how's it punching down exactly? She's fucking loaded and has no shame about being a murderer.
>> No. 21012 Anonymous
18th January 2020
Saturday 9:16 pm
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>>21011

Depends if the joke is about her or if it's about trans women and you've just applied it to her.
So if you make a joke about her being a cunt then that's fine, but if you make a joke about how she has a penis and will never be a real woman then that's punching down.
>> No. 21013 Anonymous
18th January 2020
Saturday 10:32 pm
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>>21012

> but if you make a joke about how she has a penis and will never be a real woman

Hasn't she already gone ahead and had the ol' choppity chop chop?
>> No. 21014 Anonymous
19th January 2020
Sunday 2:23 pm
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>>21012

>real woman

Might be contrarian, but 'real woman' seems a I won't argue she's not a woman, but she's a different type of woman. You can be born a woman, or transition to being a woman, and you're a woman either way, but they're not the same kind of thing. I can adopt a kid or spawn one. I'm still their dad, they're still my kid, but it's different. It's just a different kind of thing, but still under the same umbrella.

I think this might not be too relevant though, I originally made this argument on a post on a quagmire of a topic about how it can be transphobic to stop being attracted to a woman when you find out they used to be a man. I'm going to shut up now, this isn't an organic derailment.
>> No. 21015 Anonymous
19th January 2020
Sunday 2:52 pm
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>>21014

One could make the argument that an adoptive father could be seen as 'more' of a dad or more reasonably probably just a very good example of a dad, since he made the difficult and 'unnatural' choice to love and care for a child that is not genetically his.

So somebody willing to undergo invasive surgery and quite a bit of social stigma to be a woman, is probably about as 'real' and dedicated to womanhood as it gets.
>> No. 21016 Anonymous
19th January 2020
Sunday 3:08 pm
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>>21015

Isn't it a bit sexist and ableist to imply there's an ideal of womanhood that men are better at achieving than women?
>> No. 21017 Anonymous
19th January 2020
Sunday 4:22 pm
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>>21016

Not really, as I said 'dedicated to' not 'the best at' which are very different things.

My point is inherently ridiculous for other reasons, such as the implication that 'becoming' a woman is a choice you make, which isn't particularly congruous with our current understanding of gender dysphoria.
>> No. 21018 Anonymous
19th January 2020
Sunday 4:24 pm
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>>21017

>as I said 'dedicated to'

Hence the ableism.
>> No. 21020 Anonymous
19th January 2020
Sunday 5:58 pm
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>>21015

>One could make the argument that an adoptive father could be seen as 'more' of a dad or more reasonably probably just a very good example of a dad, since he made the difficult and 'unnatural' choice to love and care for a child that is not genetically his.

One could, but then you'd be a troll or a fool - it takes a village to raise a child and all, I don't understand why you'd use inverted commas in 'unnatural', that's baity. People want to raise kids, it's how we've come this far.

It's also quite disgusting a premise, as your argument at face value explicates that a biological father is 'less' of a father than an adoptive one. That's absurd. These are things people *want* to do, it doesn't make them any less or more anything. They're still parents.

Every individual is just that, an individual, while you're talking about monolithic social constructs which I don't think is the right approach.

I didn't say anything about 'more' or 'less'. I said 'different'. You inferred that, which is why it's so fucking hard to discuss this topic reasonably. You had to bring 'more' or 'less' into this.

Why do you feel compelled to do that?

>So somebody willing to undergo invasive surgery and quite a bit of social stigma to be a woman, is probably about as 'real' and dedicated to womanhood as it gets.

And yet you've still got to use 'real', not real, when saying this because you're aware there's a difference. Isn't this some 'no true Scotsman' stuff at work here?

If what you're saying were actually the case, then it'd be a mark of pride to transition, yet the ultimate goal is to *pass* and to be integrated as such. Delving into the quagmire of trans discussions on reddit this is something I have never seen, so I think I've been proper stormfagged here. Oops.

I appreciate that you may be playing devils advocate, so I should probably tone down the opening of my response, but I won't, because two people playing devil's advocate at each other doesn't really work, so I'll give you my honest opinion and we can keep debating.
>> No. 21021 Anonymous
19th January 2020
Sunday 9:06 pm
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>>21020

>And yet you've still got to use 'real', not real, when saying this because you're aware there's a difference

It's not the fact that there is a difference that matters, but what you are going to do with that realisation. Many transpeople nowadays are relatively open about their condition, if 'condition' is the right word, and will tell you freely that they are trans, and not a biological woman or man. Back in the 80s and maybe even the 70s, when transsexuality was still poorly understood not by medical and psychiatric science as such but mainly in popular culture, there was a great deal of stigma involved, which led to people like Amanda Lear adamantly - and to this day - denying that they were 'born as a boy'. Some transwomen or -men still decide to go deep stealth, especially the ones who are very passable, but in today's world, I don't think it matters much anymore. You can live the life of a completely average person today even with everybody knowing that you're transgendered. There will always be people who will think that you are a freak, but that is also still true for gays and lesbians, and look at the way they are widely accepted nowadays.
>> No. 21022 Anonymous
20th January 2020
Monday 12:32 am
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>>21020

>as your argument at face value explicates that a biological father is 'less' of a father than an adoptive one

That's not even close. What I meant is that it can be supposed that someone who actively chooses fatherhood despite many hurdles is likely to end up more dedicated than a great many people who end up fathers by circumstance. I thought you'd have figured that out from it being used in the context of a point about being trans.

>And yet you've still got to use 'real', not real, when saying this because you're aware there's a difference.

Actually what I was doing there was highlighting the fact that many people have an idea of what a 'real' man or woman is, and that is almost entirely based on their own perceptions of gender. "real men do x" and so on. I use the word "real" in quotes to acknowledge how loaded and controversial even that definition is.
>> No. 21023 Anonymous
20th January 2020
Monday 10:30 am
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>>21022

> I use the word "real" in quotes to acknowledge how loaded and controversial even that definition is.

As you said, everyone has their own definition of "real", just as everybody has their own subjective perception of reality itself.

Just take crying. Traditionally, "real" me were expected not to cry. I'd say today it's more like, real men aren't afraid to cry. Then again, only when the situation makes it seem adequate. You're allowed to cry if your football team gets a hammering on the pitch, or when your children are born, but spontaneously bursting into tears because you encounter a stressful situation or somebody in everyday life is being a jerk to you is still largely the preserve of women with a tendency for drama. and maybe a few poofs
>> No. 21024 Anonymous
20th January 2020
Monday 10:57 am
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>>21023

It's not often I agree with the Fisher brigade but when it comes to crying, I think it is a double standard that goes both ways. Like you say a woman bursting into tears is still largely seen as a drama queen and as if she's looking for attention.

Mind you, being based in truth doesn't stop it being sexism I suppose. Then again that's the rub for a lot of the gender wars bullshit if you think about it.
>> No. 21025 Anonymous
20th January 2020
Monday 12:04 pm
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>>21024

> Like you say a woman bursting into tears is still largely seen as a drama queen and as if she's looking for attention.

Not wanting to sweepingly generalise again, but my brother was with a lass of that description for over five years. She was famous for her crying fits whenever my brother wanted to go off and do something with his mates and without her, or really anything where she wasn't the centre of attention. Even when my brother was in hospital with a very serious case of pneumonia, she called him on the phone at the hospital and started yammering about the fact that she couldn't study for her uni exams properly because he wasn't there to help her. He was studying to become an engineer and she was in medical school, so any help he would have been able to give her would have been marginal, which made it all the more obvious that she was just jealous because for once, all the attention was on my brother, and rightly so, because he was in quite critical condition when he was admitted.

She also had no real friends. Very probably because she was just an all around selfish person that way. My brother's friends more or less tolerated her, but she herself really didn't have anything you could have called a circle of friends that was separate from my brother's.

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