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>One could make the argument that an adoptive father could be seen as 'more' of a dad or more reasonably probably just a very good example of a dad, since he made the difficult and 'unnatural' choice to love and care for a child that is not genetically his.
One could, but then you'd be a troll or a fool - it takes a village to raise a child and all, I don't understand why you'd use inverted commas in 'unnatural', that's baity. People want to raise kids, it's how we've come this far.
It's also quite disgusting a premise, as your argument at face value explicates that a biological father is 'less' of a father than an adoptive one. That's absurd. These are things people *want* to do, it doesn't make them any less or more anything. They're still parents.
Every individual is just that, an individual, while you're talking about monolithic social constructs which I don't think is the right approach.
I didn't say anything about 'more' or 'less'. I said 'different'. You inferred that, which is why it's so fucking hard to discuss this topic reasonably. You had to bring 'more' or 'less' into this.
Why do you feel compelled to do that?
>So somebody willing to undergo invasive surgery and quite a bit of social stigma to be a woman, is probably about as 'real' and dedicated to womanhood as it gets.
And yet you've still got to use 'real', not real, when saying this because you're aware there's a difference. Isn't this some 'no true Scotsman' stuff at work here?
If what you're saying were actually the case, then it'd be a mark of pride to transition, yet the ultimate goal is to *pass* and to be integrated as such. Delving into the quagmire of trans discussions on reddit this is something I have never seen, so I think I've been proper stormfagged here. Oops.
I appreciate that you may be playing devils advocate, so I should probably tone down the opening of my response, but I won't, because two people playing devil's advocate at each other doesn't really work, so I'll give you my honest opinion and we can keep debating.