>>23580
Behave yourself, lad.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-52164358

How are so many people struggling to open big threads? They're loading fine on my 5 year old laptop.

>>23629

Same here. Even if they didn't open properly, that's what the "last 50 posts" button is for.

>>23629>>23630
Next time you're having a cunt-off with someone on here remember that they most likely lack the mental capacity to be able to cope with a large thread.

Interestingly, you can apparently still get violently sick from seasonal flu at the moment. One of my acquaintances just e-mailed me that she spent the last three weeks in and out of bed with a bad cold, fever, and vomiting. They did a coronavitus test but it came back negative.

>>23629
Phone and tablet posting. Safari isn’t the best tbh.

>>23632
The impact of climate change on the oceans will only make viruses worse for us in the long run. Turns out a lot of marine life has been protecting us for a while.

>>23628
You'd have thought that the more advanced Humans become, the more intelligent we'd be as a whole yet we have wankers like these.

>>23634

What's true is that water is a much better carrier medium for pathogens than ambient atmospheric air, partly because water is around 800 times more dense than air. Even the coronavirus is thought to be able to remain active in watery liquid for days, maybe weeks.

It's also why fish are usually slimy and slippery to the touch. They produce mucus that acts as a barrier against water-borne pathogens. And that's also why if you enjoy fishing, you must take care to ensure that when handling live fish, that coat of mucus doesn't rub off or is otherwise disturbed within a larger area of the fish's outer skin. Because when you then release a fish, it is susceptible to all kinds of germs that can be harmful to it until it produces new mucus to cover up those spots.

>>23634

Don't forget the thawing of the arctic permafrost.

Real Engineering has just done a video on why building cheap ventilators is harder than you might expect.

>>23628
>>23635

You've got to hand it to him, though - he made his case well enough with minimal to no hysteria and illogic. Whether right or not at least he's thinking.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pAgnJDJN4VA

>>23641

>>23641>>23642
I heard from someone "in the know" that we're more likely to be susceptible due to health issues relating to high levels of obesity and inbreeding (Norfolk and Asian communities), but it's obviously not palatable to announce this.

>>23643
Sorry, 'inbreeding'?

>>23644
Cousin marriage is very popular in certain Asian communities (and Norfolk) and after several generations it's been known to lead to... complications.

I hope they don't fucking ban going outside.

In Italy, the police will stop you and ask where you're going and what you're doing. They'll then go back to the station to scrutinise this (did you take the shortest possible route? is your grandmother actually unable to do her own shopping?). If you've done something wrong, they'll come back to your house later to fine you.

>>23646
The police helicopter has been around here a lot in the past couple of weeks, apparently looking out for people going out in groups.

>>23646
That's italy though - do you think there's really enough bobbies on the beat to do that here in Britain? I'm not even sure I believe that's happeneing in Italy either, sounds like TV detector vans to me.

>>23647
Switch cane fields for 5G masts I guess.

>>23646
We don’t have enough police to enforce that, so they’d have to deploy the army or make people with SIA badges temporary PCSOs.

It’s possible, I suppose. If most people are conforming, it makes it easier to spot the rebels.

I was listening to Five Live last night (obvious error, I know) and the debate was really getting on my pip. We don't have enough PPE, but neither does anyone else, because we're in the middle of an unprecedented global pandemic. We're going to have to ration ventilators and the elderly will be last in the queue, because once they go onto a ventilator they aren't coming off it. People seem to be utterly outraged that the government doesn't have a magic wand.

>In other instances, the authorities have acted in the wake of public outrage. Under Spain’s state of alert, people are allowed to leave home to take dogs for a walk. However, a video of a man circumventing lockdown by taking a chicken for a stroll in Lanzarote drew ire online, and led the police to take action against him. 
https://www.ft.com/content/eb81dc96-c2bd-4c1c-ac8a-bf88653b0b8d

Fucking snitches.

>>23646
I hope they ban going into the garden because one of my neighbours has started doing all sorts of carpentry outside. Next strimmer I hear is going up someones arse.

>>23648
>>23651

I mentioned it because I thought it was bad. I can't think of a bigger waste of time and I don't imagine that it's being enforced that well or fairly.

Normally, police can go into shops and check that you're not breaking any of the regulations around discounting and sales. I really can't imagine a police officer going into DFS and investigating 'was that sofa really£999?'. That being said, they have a lot of regulation so I suppose administrating it is part of the battle. I do feel like southern europeans in particular have a more black and white view of things, legally speaking, whereas we like to cut corners.

>>23652
Common sense is also in short supply with most of these mouthbreathers

>>23648>>23651
Wait until they launch a PCSO snitch task force. They'll have at least double the number of people who've volunteered to help the NHS signing up.

Speaking of which, the man in the house opposite has been out five times this weekend so far and he'll probably go out later again to walk his dogs.

Unsurprisingly, various polluters are taking advantage of the crisis and the fact that police will actively help them to go ahead with projects they'd otherwise be unable to.

If I still thought most people were capable of putting two and two together I'd reckon this situation could lead to some kind of realisation about how shabby of a solution the UK prison system is, but I don't think it will so whatever.

>>23657

>Speaking of which, the man in the house opposite has been out five times this weekend so far and he'll probably go out later again to walk his dogs.

We can't have that kind of thing going on. You must report him.

>>23657
If you don't report him you are at least as guilty as he is.

>>23658
They have to make up for all this polluting we're not doing now we're all stuck at home.

Been running through a "you merely adopted the darkness" post but about NEETdom for a week now, but I can't make it stick. Sorry.

>>23662

It'll be interesting though if there will be a point where a critical mass of people will be fed up with the corona measures and start to revolt. You'll always have the fascist bootlickers who would applaud lockdown breakers being lined up and shot, but there will come a point when it all does more harm than good. Especially when case number dynamics start going down.

It's a very fragile time right now for the world's democracies. If you look at how Orbán in Hungary has used the crisis as a conduit for his long-held plans to erect a quasi-totalitarian state, then it's worth remembering that at least on paper, Hungary is a democracy not entirely unlike ours. With all the entirely reasonable measures that have been implemented to mitigate this pandemic, it's all too easy to abuse the crisis to remove checks and balances and get the people used to the idea of not having basic freedoms.


Also, it's worrying what's going on in New Zealand, arguably a country with a political culture and system of government much more like ours:

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/australasia/coronavirus-new-zealand-lockdown-rule-breakers-website-crashes-police-a9434446.html

>A new police website encouraging New Zealanders to report neighbours they suspect of breaking lockdown rules during the coronavirus outbreak has crashed because of the volume of complaints.

>Police said around 4,200 claims were made during the first 24 hours after the service went live on Sunday, amid reports of parties, rugby games and people out playing frisbee.

>Mike Bush, New Zealand’s police commissioner, said it showed citizens were “passionate” about everyone complying with the nationwide restrictions.


Really? They're not just bootlickers who enjoy ratting people out?

Had to stand for 40 minutes in the sun to get into the supermarket today - it's going to get bad out there once summer hits.

On the plus side, the shelves are now absolutely heaving with products. I guess everything going into overdrive a few weeks back has ended up a bit wasteful and I'm going to turn my arse into toffee from gorging on the reduced aisle.

>>23658
>various polluters

Damn those various polluters, I hear they've been putting nails in the butter!

>>23663
There has been shitloads of fly-tipping since the tips closed.

>>23666
>If you look at how Orbán in Hungary has used the crisis as a conduit for his long-held plans to erect a quasi-totalitarian state, then it's worth remembering that at least on paper, Hungary is a democracy not entirely unlike ours.

Orbán has had a super-majority in Hungarian Parliament for a decade and the emergency powers are quite clearly outlined - including that he cannot use a decree to alter the constitution. It's nothing new but a nice game for guardian readers to fret about.

>>23667

My Tesco here still didn't have wheat flour last night. They said that more is on the way.

I'm not sure what beset people to hoard wheat flour. If you don't know your way around baking so far, then you're likely not going to be able to produce anything homemade that will be a worthy substitute for a shop-bought pork pie or a ciabatta, both of which are still in ample supply.

>>23670
Everyone can make shortbread. I think I could happily live off that when itz happens.

>>23670

If they don't know their way around baking then they probably don't know that.
I think it's just that people are bored and baking seems like something they can take up as a hobby.
https://qz.com/1825387/stocking-up-on-food-for-coronavirus-led-to-a-yeast-shortage/

>>23672

Your missus could help you out there...

https://www.womenshealthmag.com/life/a19938916/woman-makes-bread-with-vaginal-yeast/

Kyle Walker hosted sex party with two hookers before urging fans to ‘stay home’ while in coronavirus lockdown

https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/11329263/kyle-walker-sex-party-hookers-coronavirus-lockdown/

I'm not an expert on this sort of thing, but I'd have expected a higher class of prostitute for £1,100.

>>23672

Always good to pick up a new hobby, but don't be disappointed when you go about making your first pork pie or ciabatta. Ciabatta in particular needs a fair bit of knowledge about baking bread, especially if you are making it from basic wheat flour and not some sort of bread mix. I can say that I'm now capable of making a decent ciabatta from scratch that will be quite similar to a shop-bought one, but it did take months of trying and perfecting the recipe as well as all the steps involved. There are things that online recipes just can't teach you about bread baking, and they can only come from your own experience.

>>23667
>Damn those various polluters, I hear they've been putting nails in the butter!
https://www.ig.com/uk/news-and-trade-ideas/kier-share-price-soars-after-hs2-green-lit-by-pm-boris-johnson-200214
https://blog.ucsusa.org/maria-caffrey/with-the-public-distracted-interior-department-moves-full-speed-ahead-on-oil-and-gas-leases
https://calgarysun.com/business/keystone-investment-not-a-distraction-from-covid-fight-kenney-vows/wcm/8a7635f9-3c11-466a-b60a-b74de59f860c

It just seemed easier to say "various polluters" than to bother typing them all out. There are more than this but here's some.

I remember going to meetings with big plates of biscuits and not wanting to look like a pig so only having one, oh to have those halcyon days come around once more.

>>23674
I think he was in a generous mood.

>>23673

There was something on TV a long time ago about some hippie-New Age woman who was an artist and painter, and who would mix her own paints by stirring dry pigments into her collected squirt juice orgasmic fluid. She actually called her abstract style of painting "orgasmic art" or something.

Imagine if a bloke did that and used his spunk to paint. But women are applauded for baking bread with their SQUELCHY FANNY CUSTARD.

Maybe that's giving you an idea though, what new hobbies to take on to fight lockdown boredom. Bosh one out, stir some paprika into it, and start painting stuff.

>>23674

Once you get over about £150/hr, the quality curve sort of levels out, after that it's just about what the agency or escort thinks they can get away with charging. There's probably a bit of a premium at the moment, hazard pay.

Ironically you would usually pay more for a professional, discreet experience, but it seems like this lass is willing to put an end to her lucrative career for whatever fee the Sun pays for this sort of thing.

I wonder if it's a sneaky advert to remind that her services are still available during the lockdown.

>>23679

>Imagine if a bloke did that and used his spunk to paint.

Imagine.

There's a Warhol piece called "cum painting" too.

>>23679

>>23674
Two hookers is hardly a party.

Also if she was taking pictures of him in a state of undress without his knowledge she should go to prison for a very, very long time.

>>23684
Snitch on them, lad. I know you want to. Technically they were the ones who left their houses during lockdown.

There seems to be a lack of slightly surreal coronavirus stories. All I'm really aware of is Karen Matthews having a breakdown over McDonald's shutting.

I ate too much and fell asleep.
I had a dream where everywhere was crowded but I was trying to keep my distance from people.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wE4Cmr1j0tA
>we'll meet again.

>>23687

Is there anything more terrifying than the Queen telling you that it's all going to be alright?

>>23688
Yes.
Prince Charles telling you that it's all going to be alright.

>>23687
>>23688
>>23689


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tP_WRk-xV7I

Bozza is in hospital.

Remain calm.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-52177125
Bojo has been hospitalised.

>>23691>>23692
Good grief. I hope he's alright.

Are we definitely totally sure it has to be Raab in charge now?

Starmer's PM by August.

Is there a name for the 'They're not obeying rule X, let us make a more restrictive rule, I'm sure they'll obey that" insanity?
Normally trotted out for speeding, but seems to be getting a keen following in other spheres at the moment.

>>23695
I think you're missing the point. It's not about whether it works or not. It's a case of shifting blame from the government to the public. The sheer amount of snitching is evidence that people will happily buy it.

>>23691
>>23692

Articles say that his going into hospital is 'precautionary' - I thought they were only admitting those who needed ventilators?

>>23695
Eventually we'll get to the stage where people are shot on sight.

>>23698

He is the Prime Minister, but you'd imagine that he'd need to be pretty fucking unwell to go into hospital knowing the kind of alarm it would cause.

>>23698
I'd imagine the fact that Boris out of action results in Raab being in temporary charge means that they'll try to get him fit and healthy again as soon as possible.

>>23700
I know, just imagine how many hands he's going to shake while he's in there.

>>23698

What they say only applies to normal people. He's probably just in there to get an IV for the port hangover.

>>23691
>>23692
Must be pretty terrifying at the moment with their baby on the way.

>>23693
I guess it's a good thing that Parliament is already in Easter recess.

>>23703

If Bojo goes in as a "precautionary" measure, then it's probably much worse than a bit of chest pain. They're not going to tell the public that the incumbent PM is about to croak unless he's close to his last breath.

>>23707

Very much this. It would be a logistics nightmare getting the PM into hospital (security, mainly) and ensuring no one else comes near him for the duration of his stay. This decision wouldn't have been taken lightly.

tl;dr - precautionary tests my arse.

I knew he was lying when he came back saying he was feeling better. He looked like shit and a fever isn't a "mild, lingering symptom". Also he's lied about everything else so far including his name.

>>23709

He did look a bit rough in his video message.

>>23708
I agree - I mean yeah a few days stay inside will let him see the NHS up close and personal, and that might be useful, but they wouldn't be going to the trouble unless he was really ill now - as people sometimes get at the 10/11 day stage which is where he might be now. I wish him well.

If he does die though, can we just install a different Boris? It would all be so much easier.

>>23708
The man needs to use medical care regardless of coronavirus and plans will be in place anyway. Yes they'll have avoided hospital if there was zero cause for concern but that doesn't mean he's at death's door.

>Tiger tests positive for coronavirus at Bronx Zoo

>A tiger in New York City has tested positive for coronavirus, according to a news release from the Wildlife Conservation Society's Bronx Zoo.

>The four-year-old female Malayan tiger named Nadia, as well as three other tigers and three African lions, "developed a dry cough and all are expected to recover".

Fuck's sake.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-52171176

>>23711
If you think he's going anywhere near the NHS you've lost the plot, lad.

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>>23713

The virus has crossed from bats into pangolins into humans, so it would only follow that other higher vertebrate species can become infected as well.

If I get the coronavirus, I'll start coughing on my downstairs neighbours' dog. Such an annoying, needy creature. Needs to be put out of its misery.

>>23715

Cheers m8, now I'm fantasising about getting my arse rattled by the First Secretary of State for Foreign and Commonwealth Affairs.

>>23717
I reckon he wouldn't break eye contact.

>>23716
Shit.

I've been letting my cat go out every night and then come home to sleep in my bed in the early hours. Had no idea this was even a thing.

>>23721
The WHO said people didn't have to worry about cats and dogs, but that's probably what their Chink paymasters told them to say so they can keep eating them.

>>23722
At least two dogs have tested positive. If this tiger got it, cats will too, surely?

>>23722
My cat and I actually made a deal a couple of weeks back, when panic-buying was at its peak (so far). Whichever one of us dies first the other is allowed to eat him, guilt-free.

>>23695

It's called blaming the public for the government's glacial response.

Had they taken this seriously when Italy kicked off, we'd not be where we are. Blaming the public for spreading the virus via sunbathing or going for a drive is despicable.

>>23721
Yeah, but that little Pomeranian shit really does deserve it.

>>23725
Indeed, an entire fortnight of unclear and contradictory government statements led to scenes like the picture (included) in the capital. Tossing and turning and being fully in and fully out of any measure has been a total horror show to watch.
People like us don't know what the fuck we're supposed to be doing, from piss poor national leadership. Rhetorical of course, fellow board users.

Now we have Val and Stan, who at first cried "police state!" when the lockdown began, now twitching their curtains grassing up Doug down the road for walking his dog more than once a day.

Are Val and Stan and possibly Doug being cunts? Yes. Can we apportion any blame on them? No. We can't blame people, most of us have been superb.

>>23727

I, and the entirety of my staff and my peers in the industry, raised concerns about the complete lack of testing or even basic precautions for flights from affected areas as early as the start of January. That we were still just sending people home directly from arriving on rescue flights from a quarantined Italy, with an A4 piece of paper to "let your doctor know if you have any symptoms" was utterly disgusting, and I can't say much more than I know for a fact the government ignored any and all concerns and advice from anyone in the industry. It's not fucking hard at all to secure an airport, the resources already exist - there's even still fucking ebola suits stocked at most of them, back when 'precaution' meant something.

Just from my small corner of the country we could see that this was being allowed to spread. We have been betrayed by the sheer incompetency and/or cowardice of this government, presumably twiddling their thumbs for so long as sensible but restrictive measures in January would have been much worse optics than once people had already started dying.

No conspiracy theory here, not even suggesting that 'my side' politically would have governed any better (I don't believe they would have) - just that we have been utterly fucking ruined by spineless idiots.

The only good that can come of this is that hopefully these jellyfish will be less afraid of locking a country down before the virus spreads, if we ever see another pandemic like this.

I might well have bitched and moaned about a police state if we'd started screening people all the way back then, I won't pretend it would have been an easy decision to make - but if a government can't do the right thing for the people, in spite of itself, what the fuck can it do?

>>23729

The wrong thing for people in spite of itself, usually.

>>23729

>It's not fucking hard at all to secure an airport

I remember going through Wroclaw airport in 2013 and some hench as fuck Polish copper with an SMG was at the metal detector for hand luggage, I put my 50p lighter into the "obvious threat" category twice, with him handing my lighter back "palenie, palenie!" I only gathered what he meant the second time when I took my fags out me pocket and saw the word. Went through with the lighter. Didn't even whiff my shoes.

Admittedly I was more or less alone going through the grand airport in Wroclaw, despite a well-meaning and well-armed chap going about his day telling me I have a right to have a cig in the concourse. How would testing/distancing/quarantining work when ~150 people, from all over the spot, come off a self-pressurised flying tin can? That's surely a million word read through per plane for staff.
I really am interested in hearing your professional opinon. I do agree a lockdown was way too late in coming and the government has been fucking awful in handling it.

>>23731

I've been through Ben Gurion* airport in both directions and a business class ticket didn't cut a lot of slack either way. Just because we can't count our fingers here in the west doesn't mean that no-one on earth has figure things out tenerifelad.

*I've also been through al riyadh airport half a dozen times (albeit on a second passport) and those cunts don't cut you much slack either.

Sage because I've been awake for far too long.

>>23729

Screening people coming off flights and a mandatory quarantine for travellers would have been the best way to tackle it early if you ask me. We could have avoided this whole lockdown situation if we got on the ball faster. We're an island for fuck's sake, we just spunked away our best defence.

Compare and contrast Japan- They don't have a lockdown, they've got one of the most advanced ageing populations in the world, and the 'rona has barely touched them. They even have some kind of law that makes it impossible for the government to impose a lockdown like we have, so they've had to respond proactively.

>>23734

>Screening people coming off flights and a mandatory quarantine for travellers would have been the best way to tackle it early if you ask me. We could have avoided this whole lockdown situation if we got on the ball faster. We're an island for fuck's sake, we just spunked away our best defence.

That doesn't really help because of exponential growth. You just need one person to start spreading the virus in the community and you're inevitably on the upwards curve.

The only properly successful strategy is that of South Korea, relying on large-scale testing and very careful contact tracing to identify and isolate cases in the community and prevent the spread of the virus. That's only possible in SK because they took heed during the MERS scare and built out huge lab capacity for testing.

>They don't have a lockdown, they've got one of the most advanced ageing populations in the world, and the 'rona has barely touched them.

The expert consensus is that Japan hasn't successfully controlled the virus, they've just been engaged in a massive cover-up; the official figures for both infections and deaths have been massively under-stated to save face and now the government is frantically trying to change tack without admitting to deception.

https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2020/03/22/national/science-health/japan-coronavirus-testing/

https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2020/04/05/national/japan-on-brink-of-the-brink-minister-says-as-nations-coronavirus-deaths-rise-to-96/

>>23735

>That doesn't really help because of exponential growth. You just need one person to start spreading the virus in the community and you're inevitably on the upwards curve.

It buys you a lot of time- If there's one thing worse than one person in the community starting the upwards curve, it's hundreds of thousands of them coming off aeroplanes every day.

If what scientists suspect is true, and we've had an outbreak going on since way back in November, it pretty much makes a lot of it irrelevant anyway. It also makes a lot of the chicken littles look like utter dickheads.

>cover up

I'm sticking with official numbers for now. North Korea is the best place to be, who says communism doesn't work.

I'd like to know exactly how many people in the UK aren't working right now, and how many people are working from home, but I can't find realiable statistics.

>>23737
From a sample size of one (me), it's 100% working from home.

>>23738
I'm also working from home. However, I'm not sure how productive I'm being seeing as the last email I sent was just a picture of Isildur because I don't want to deal with their request.

>>23736

>If what scientists suspect is true, and we've had an outbreak going on since way back in November

Scientists don't suspect that.

>>23737

We don't have stats on the numbers working from home, but we've got at least a million more on the dole. The next ONS data release is on the 21st of April, at which point we should have a better idea of unemployment. I haven't found any official statistics on furloughed workers, but my fag-packet estimate suggests it could be around two million and rising.

>>23736
For what it's worth, I have a couple friends working in Japan and the general consensus is it's been surpressed because they wanted to project an air of calm and resolve so they didn't lose any business for the olympics. That and their absolutely horrible work ethic of always coming into the office even if you're sick has played a part. It could well be true the numbers are low, but people there seem to have the impression that they are being kept in the dark to a certain degree.

>>23741

You'd certainly think that Tokyo, one of the world's largest megacities with a high population density and elderly population, would be very badly affected. On the other hand, wearing face masks is normal over there- everyone has them.

Not handling part time remote work well.

>>23737 A little from column A, a little from column B

>>23741
Don't the Japs downplay everything? Fukushima, what they did to their neighbours around the Second World War, that sort of thing.

>>23731

I accept that it's a lot easier to say what should have been done now, but during China's peak caseload we were still serving direct and transfer flights from Wuhan and greater China, with absolutely no safeguards in place. People were nervous then, but since no guidance was forthcoming, we just kept operating as usual. People were told it was fine, took the inaction as a good sign and clung on to that - we had an Easyjet cabin manager put in a complaint that a handling agent met in their flight from Italy wearing a mask - of course they fucking did.

A two week travel ban from China, and later on Spain and Italy, followed by re-naturalisation flights from the locked down countries with full screening for all passengers on said flights would have been a big operation, but it wouldn't have been difficult - just expensive, but still, I would bet, cheaper than having 2000 people on ventilators in ICUs, and countless more unable to work or spend money.

Something as simple as putting a couple of officials and medical staff on a plane back from these locked down countries, even if just to issue and explain an information pack and a tracking form, might have been enough to tip the scales to "maybe I should be taking this seriously". As it was, we were taking flights full of people from Verona, the only airport even running properly at the time, and they were coming off the plane and going home, with absolutely no guidance, let alone screening. I had to go out to meet one, and a couple of Special Branch showed up, and asked me what I needed them to do, what the procedure was. "nothing - there's no procedure" was the only answer I had, because that's exactly what we were being told to do even as Italy was locked down. They had expected medical staff and officials to meet the flight, but no, it was just me, the only one in the office who happened to be free and with a jetbridge license. We opened the door and they left and that was it.

In aviation, we're used to having a procedure or contingency for everything. I can tell you down to the minute what would happen in almost every conceivable disaster, accident, or malicious act, so being confronted with a pandemic with absolutely no guidance or procedure from anyone in any official capacity, I think we realised it was going to be bad before many others. You could just tell it was being ignored, it was very disconcerting. I also find it hard to swallow that the government doesn't have it's own contingency plans - surely they have guidelines and procedures for something like if we were invaded or Cornwall tried to become sovereign, but it really felt like they had absolutely no 'pandemic playbook', and if they did, they ignored it in fear of becoming unpopular.

As I say, I'm sure "next time" things will be different. Immediate cancellation of all flights from affected areas for the incubation period while testing is prepared and rolled out, screening set up in all ports and airports, and hospital based quarantine for any citizens returning after that time. It sounds like a lot, but it's better than what's happening right now, and I don't believe "well how could they know" is reasonable, when multiple other countries were hit before us.

I'm veering away from the point rapidly here - I'm not a medical expert, so I might be wrong in some of these assumptions. But what I do know is logistics, and the capabilities of airports and aviation in this country. Every flight operation, however far in advance we plan, is ran minute by minute, we are no stranger to changing procedure or thinking on our feet. We could have done almost anything the government asked of us, and we could have done it at a moment's notice. But we weren't asked to do anything.

>>23742
>>23745
Well it's just come up in the news, they're now thinking about declaring a state of emergency. Can see things getting bad very quickly over there.

>>23746

Good post. Howcome there's not even any kind of SOP back from the ebola/swine flu days?

As for the government, I reckon they absolutely do have a pandemic playbook, so to speak. But this one doesn't even touch the sides of what it'd take before they kicked it in. Our government was hoping it'd just be able to let it happen and nobody would kick up much of a fuss- We've been over the numbers plenty in the other thread, so I don't think it's inconceivable to theorise that coronavirus was simply under the threshold for "how many people need to be at risk of death from a pandemic before we let it hurt the economy", in the cold and impersonal rationale of public contingency. Who knows where that threshold is, but I bet it's at least a million.

They had their hand forced already quite late in the game because every fucker in Europe had shut down and they were starting to get bad press. That really is it, in my opinion. They'd have let everyone get it and left all the pensioners to die if they could have shut the papers up about it.

>>23748
>They had their hand forced already quite late in the game because every fucker in Europe had shut down and they were starting to get bad press. That really is it, in my opinion. They'd have let everyone get it and left all the pensioners to die if they could have shut the papers up about it.
100%
And now that people are upset about the number of deaths, they're blaming the deaths happening this week on us for allegedly going outside... this week. Despite the two week incubation and the week after that it typically takes to kill someone.

>>23748

>Howcome there's not even any kind of SOP back from the ebola/swine flu days?

That was exactly my question. I didn't work in aviation at all back then, so I've asked a few people who did, and from what I gather, when ebola was knocking about, the plan there was just to screen everyone. There are full body protective suits in storage somewhere at my base airport, apparently issued during the ebola thing, but it seems nobody ever used them. It makes sense that they took ebola more seriously, but makes less sense that it didn't establish better procedures. The CAA, IATA, and all the airlines bloody love an SOP, it's definitely a shock that they seem to have nothing in place.

I suspect everything you've said is right, which is both disheartening and frustrating.

>>23750
!RemindMe 1.5 weeks

>>23752
I'm not sure comparing now to then will be fair as the strain on the NHS will have increased. Other factors too. Even so, they're very clearly trying to shift the blame for their inaction. The media helping them by posting images taken with misleading telephoto lenses* and even posting images of Australians doing it as though they're us**.

*https://twitter.com/PeterStuart3/status/1246749563349762049
https://twitter.com/AsEasyAsRiding/status/1246928281762398212

**https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1265247/coronavirus-uk-death-toll-britain-deaths-cases-uk-coronavirus-peak-covid-19
https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/beaches-closed-after-crowds-defy-social-distancing-rules-20200327-p54epl.html

>>23746
>I also find it hard to swallow that the government doesn't have it's own contingency plans - surely they have guidelines and procedures for something like if we were invaded or Cornwall tried to become sovereign, but it really felt like they had absolutely no 'pandemic playbook', and if they did, they ignored it in fear of becoming unpopular.
I once spent a fascinating morning chatting with the council's primary emergency planning fella while installing Windows 98. It sounded like a remarkable, fascinating job, and yes, they are supposed to have exactly what you mention - considered and practical responses to emergencies of all kinds. Then the fucking Tories decided to tear most councils apart with unprecedented budget cuts, and I guess emergency planning didn't seem like a top priority.

https://www.lgcplus.com/research/lgc-maps/huge-cuts-to-emergency-planning-budgets-prompt-safety-concerns-06-12-2017/

>>23750
Anecdotal evidence but on my Facebook there's roughly 10 posts criticising the behaviour of the general public for every post criticising the government. Most people I know tend to be left of centre and I don't have many middle aged people either; the majority between the ages of 30 and 35.

>>23756
I'm surprised to say that mine is the other way around, lots of criticising the government and only a few complaints about the general public. Generally lefty in the same age range too.

>>23754

I'm a local goverment lad myself and you should never underestimate the inability of a local goverment to plan.
I have heard from several colleagues who were shocked to find out that they were listed as key staff in an emergency despite having never been contacted about the plans nor having expertise in their assigned emergency role. At least two of them have very openly declared their intentions to retire early or jump on the first opportunity to take redundancy, which as you mentioned, is alarmingly often.

>>23758
Yeah, having worked for a couple of councils and having a mother-in-law with a managerial position for her local council who spends almost all of her time engaged in petty one-upmanship I really wouldn't count on them for leadership and direction if a major crisis happened.

>>23756
>humans wearing muzzles
The last Weimaraner i knew couldn't even retrace it's steps out of a bush, let alone sit and stay on command.

>>23760
Yeah, but those are vizslas. Far smarter. Nah, who am I kidding, lovely, but daft.
Mine keeps throwing his tennis ball at a hedgehog we see trundling across the garden, but the prickly bastard never wants to play.

Bozza is in intensive care, apparently in a Coma.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-52192604

>Prime Minister Boris Johnson has been moved to intensive care in hospital after his coronavirus symptoms worsened, Downing Street has said.

>Mr Johnson has asked Foreign Secretary Dominic Raab to deputise for him, a spokesman added.


ITZ!!

>>23763>>23764
Fucking hell.

ITZ.

>>23765

If Bozza kicks it, he'll be the first PM to die in office since Henry John Temple.

>>23758
>they were listed as key staff in an emergency despite having never been contacted about the plans nor having expertise in their assigned emergency role.
Says it all really. Local councils really are in a hell of a state these days, cut right to the fucking bone. Fair play they were flabby and inefficient in the Blair days (I used to watch the secretaries spend entire mornings in the cafeteria just nattering away) but it's gone way too far the other way now.

>>23764

Sounds like a stunt.

>>23768

He rhymes with it too.

>>23769

He never struck me as a runt.

Man caught with rucksack of cannabis tells police 'I'm buying in bulk due to lockdown'

https://www.nottinghampost.com/news/nottingham-news/man-caught-rucksack-cannabis-tells-4016699

>>23773 "Man found dead at Langley Mill home named as woman charged with murder"

took me a couple of attempts to parse that one.

>>23773
>Drugs are still a problem for police despite the lockdown, but those addicted to harder substances such as crack cocaine and heroin don't have the crime to commit to feed the habit.
What?
Are this paper's editors drunk on the job?

>>23775
Local journalism in this country is pretty much an empty husk by now.

>>23773

Criminals are such fuckwits, it's unreal. If you're going to transport a massive bag of cannabis, wear a shirt and tie rather than a ne'er-do-well costume. He's even got a pixelated face, for crying out loud, that's an obvious fed magnet.

>>23778
Calling it a rucksack full seems a bit hyperbolic. That's what, an ounce? In some sort of bumbag getup? I was picturing an actual rucksack. Bastards.

>>23774
Ahh Langley Mill.
A wonderful little shithole.

>>23779

>an ounce

You've got a generous dealer.

>>23779

Who would even call an ounce "buying in bulk" anyway. Soon as you grow up and move out of your mum and dad's house you stop fucking around with 20 bags and just buy as much as you can in one go as a matter of convenience.

>>23778
I'd arrest him just for having his backpack on backwards.

This is getting a bit much now.

>>23784
He can go fuck himself. I hope we don't lose a sitting prime minister in a time of crisis but the idea that I should actually like him for this is bullshit.

>>23785
When he's dead I'll remember you wouldn't clap for his recovery.

>>23778
It looks more like herbs or catnip.

>>23786

ONE 👏 LESS 👏 TORY 👏

>>23787
It gets the job done.

>>23786
Come at me bro. I don't give a fuck.

Can we have a new thread? My ZX Spectrum is having trouble loading this one.

>>23791

Running fine on my C64. Get a real computer.

I'm not a fan of this yank-style clapping for every cunt and occasion. Once for the NHS was alright as a novelty, should've been left at that.

>>23793
You say this like you clapped for the NHS and I know you didn't.

>Can we have a new thread? My ZX Spectrum is having trouble loading this one.