>>23797
Mirth.

>>23797
Mirth.

>>23798
>>23799

>>23797
Now I want to play Chucky Egg.

Alright, alright, I'll fucking stay indoors.

I thought I didn't want David Cameron as prime minister.
Then it turned out I really didn't want Theresa May as prime minister.
Then, I really, really didn't want Boris Johnson as prime minister.

I note that the BBC published a fresh profile on Dominic "Licky Fingers" Raab yesterday.

>>23784
>>23793
>>23794
Wait, is this why I heard a burst of applause from all my neighbours the other day? I was so fucking confused.

I'd love to see Putin's briefing document on Raaaab.

>>23821
There was a round of applause at 3pm on Sunday to show the kiddies we're thinking of them.

Tonight at 8pm we're clapping for Bozza. Thursday at 8pm we're clapping for the NHS and petrol station forecourt workers.

New thread? We're already up to 10 posts and my PDP-1 is audibly struggling.

>>23824
Yeah, my SSEM can't keep up either.

>>23824
>>23825

Same here. My Etch-a-sketch sounds like it's about to snuff it too.

>>23824
>>23825
>>23826

All home computing devices since 1971 will soon be supported.

Yours fraternally, Threadmaster General.

_________________________

Posted from Blackberry.

>>23824
Just discovered Spacewar! thanks to this post. For a game from 1962 it's surprisingly complex. Animation, physics, 2 player controls, and the simpler Pong on the PDP-1 was two years later. I guess because Pong was a one man show and Spacewar! had several top beardies at MIT working on it collaboratively.

>>23821
If you don't come out and clap your neighbours will think of you as a cunt.
Good thing they already do for me.

>>23829
This is why living in a decent area is a bad idea.

>>23829
One of my neighbours was mowing the lawn at 9am this morning so he can go and fuck himself with a rake.

I haven't quite understood the purpose of this thread.

>>23832
Have you read the manual? Computers aren't for everyone but if you haven't even read the manual you're obviously not going to know what's going on.

If Boris croaks this whole country's gonna blow.

>>23834

How?

>>23834
They'll just stuff him with hay and prop him up and do a voice over if that happens.

>>23836
I could imagine Dominic Raab wearing him like some sort of skin suit.

>>23832
Mr. Biffo shitposting

>>23838

Biffo's missus is fit as fuck.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/07/new-zealand-health-minister-demoted-after-beach-visit-broke-lockdown-rules


>New Zealand health minister demoted after beach visit broke lockdown rules

>David Clark called himself an ‘idiot’ for driving his family 20km to the beach on the first weekend of the national stay-at-home measures

>>23819

After all it turned out you really, really, didn't want Dominic "Licky Fingers" Raab as prime minister.

>>23836
pic related

>>23836

A country led by a Newgrounds Flash Soundboard

Beeb won't let me access old In Our Time episodes. Time to 3D print a gun, I guess.

>>23842

Andrew Marr: These figures are damning, Priminister. People are dying as a direct result of your decision not to lock down the country based on the advice of behavioural scientists and "game theory".

Borbot: PING PONG IS COMING HOME!

>>23838 >>23839
Get a room. He might deserve to sit alongside the likes of Ashens, Tom Scott, bigclivedotcom, ralfydotcom and photonicinduction as a resident gs YouTuber but without watching that I very much doubt it.

Clapping for Boris is a form of assault and I retain my right to self-defense.

>>23848

Biffo is a legend and if you're any sort of britfa you'd be welcoming the godfather of teletext with open arms.

Not great.

Apologies to you lads watching in 256 colours.

>>23866

I've only got a green and black 8" display attached to my Atari 2600 but I'm assuming that means that we haven't flattened the curve.

>>23866
My ABC-80 doesn't support .jpgs.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ra50bmI50kA

>>23866
While dishonest i can certainly understand the reasoning for adjusting the numbers, or maintaining strict measures on identifying the virus.
If people were crazed on toilet paper, to the extent of mugging the aged, what will we do if the pandemic appeared much more severe? A friend of mine used to boast how he'd basically become a tyrant if shit hit the fan and he's exactly the type to rise to the hysteria. Thankfully his response has been much less directly explosive than that but i can see him and plenty of others working themselves and their communities into a state of pure panic.

We need to keep a calm head on things and this is a way of doing that, for the time being. What are the alternatives; tell the raw facts and risk a nation in chaos? (I'm in a reletively unaffected area, maybe it's worse in Lundun).

As a side note, a friend of mine developed significant corona like symptoms after intimate contact with a another who's since been confirmed as carrying the virus (outside of the country). The friend was hospitalised but her tests returned negative. There was a delay on test results and she says they didn't take samples very well, but ultimately she's got off lightly with only the use of antibiotics and an inhaler. Another friend was in prolonged immidiate contact with this person but appears to be clear of any symptoms, up to 10 days later.
Now i don't know what i'm talking about, but i'm wondering if my friends illness might be a less lethal strain or copycat kind of virus rather than full blown corona, therefore not reaching the criteria to be recorded on the government tally. Or maybe she did have it and and somehow didn't pass it to the otherfriend - which in itself seems a miricle as they were living in close proximity for 7 days or so. Either way, the results are good and both have isolated themselves just to be sure - the results of which can only be considered constructive even if the case wasn't counted.

But then again don't they say to judge by actions, not intention? Maybe i'm an arsehole.

>>23869

Sad to see that Conor McGregor has relapsed again.

>>23870
>maybe it's worse in Lundun
There was someone doing handbrake turns on the main road earlier and about 70% of the people I passed outdoors were either drunk or carrying bottles of alcohol so fairly normal as far as London goes.

>>23868

Neither does my Roland CR-78.

My friend's got a text from the NHS today telling them they're at high risk of severe illness if they catch coronavirus so they have to remain at home for 12 weeks unless a healthcare professional tells them to leave. It seems a bit late in the day for this sort of thing.

Happy to say that nobody in my street clapped.

Revealed: Donald Trump has a 'small financial interest' in hydroxychloroquine firm and was lobbied in the Oval Office by Fox News host Laura Ingraham before praising it at White House briefing

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8196061/Trump-small-financial-hydroxychloroquine-firm-lobbied-Laura-Ingraham.html

>>23875
I slept through it. I suppose it's better not to know.

Thoughts and prayers go out to your political vacuum Mr. Boris.

>>23882
Well at least we've moved on from pigs.

ONE MONTH OF RAAB.

>>23890
>helps people breath
I knew it. Which one of you two writes for the Sun?

>>23891
Have some respect. We'd never stoop to The Sun; that's clearly the work of Mail Online.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sbW7pVaKDdM

Pay debts, China!

>>23893

Meanwhile in Wuhan:

Damn, they've followed up about my offer to volunteer during this thing. I'm going to have to start wearing clean clothes and stuff again.

>>23643
>UK's coronavirus crisis kills a Briton every TWO MINUTES as figures show Birmingham is England's hotspot with almost 1,400 cases

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8199363/UKs-coronavirus-crisis-kills-Briton-TWO-MINUTES-Birmingham-Englands-hotspot.html

>BAME groups hit harder by Covid-19 than white people, UK study suggests

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/07/bame-groups-hit-harder-covid-19-than-white-people-uk

See? It's all that cousin fucking.

>>23896

Is that why Boris and Charles and other poshos are getting it too?

>>23897
Inbreeding in the aristocracy is certainly unheard of.

>>23896
It's also the fact that a lot live with 3 or 4 generations all under one roof

>>23899

Fritzl would have been fucked.

USA will be up to 500,000 cases and 20,000 deaths in a few days.

Anybody wonder why the Norks don't have it?

>>23903

Good border control.

The deadliest day reported in Italy was 971 deaths, in Spain 950.

We had 938 deaths yesterday and expected to continue to rise.

>>23905
Classic British exceptionalism. We won't let ourselves be outdone by a gaggle of no-good dagos and greaseballs.

>>23907
Thanks for that. I had £50 on ebola. Waste of my money.

>>23907
So we've got people complaining about long threads on their shite machines but autoplaying gifs are fine?

>>23909
Yes.

>>23909
Absolutely.

Feel like pure shit. Just want to go down the pub with the boys.

>>23870
I was really hoping someone would contest this so i may learn something.

>>23913

Contest what exactly?

The opposite point could be made that the govt has it in their own best interests to oversell the severity of the pandemic to encourage compliance with distancing measures.

If people think that the disease isn't an issue, they'll continue to socialize and the spread will place sufficient stress in the NHS that it becomes an issue.

Depending on what model you look at, our numbers appear lower at this point in the development of the pandemic than what was predicted.

When numbers start going down, people stop complying with distancing and numbers start to climb again.

With regards to inaccurate reporting of numbers, there are a number of non-political reasons this is an issue. We don't have enough tests so it is impossible to test everyone. So we are only testing those with severe symptoms. This means that all the data we have regarding morbidity and mortality is skewed towards the worst cases.

If somebody develops COVID-19 and dies of a heart attack while infected. Do you count them as a COVID-19 death or not?

If somebody dies of COVID-19 before being tested, they should really be tested to ensure the numbers are as accurate as possible, but being that there isn't even enough testing capacity to be routinely looking at front line healthcare workers, how are you going to waste a test on a corpse?

People in Oxford are currently testing 3000 people for COVID-19 with antibody tests to get a better handle on the actual number of infections in the population. A group in Germany is performing a similar study. Looking at the cult in South Korea, a much higher percentage of people were infected than required medical attention.

I think with this virus, we're going to find that a lot more people are infected, or have been infected, than we realise and that the morbidity/mortality of the virus is not as bad as it currently appears.

The issues presented by COVID-19 are not biological, nor medical. They are economic. If the NHS hadn't been starved of funds for a decade this would be less of an issue. If more doctors and nurses had been trained over the last 10 years in order to accomodate population increase and demographic shifts towards elderly this would have been more managable. If global supply chains weren't optimized only to maximize profit margins and instead were engineered with redundancy and contingency in place, this would be less of a problem.

You'll have a vaccine in 18 months if you're lucky. Antivirals will never be an effective treatment for this disease. The key to minimizing the harm caused by COVID-19 is to maximize the number of ventilators and trained staff available to deal with the minority of cases that require intensive care.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CIHWaaJNktQ

ummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

>>23866

Do you have the actual source on that chart lad? It obviously says FT, but do you have a link to the article? Because it looks remarkably like scaremongering bullshit.

>>23912

Go on Nige, show us your bollocks, why don't you. You're halfway there already.

>>23915

This also looks remarkably like scaremongering bullshit too. Scaremongering bullshit that needs to be watched on at least 1.5x speed.

>>23915

>ummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

I don't really know why this would be your response. Obviously biolabs work on viruses.

>>23918

Sign up to the Onlyfans like everybody else peasant.

>>23920

Everybody knows that Wuhan Institute of Technology hired a new Post-Doc in November and he didn't wash his hands and that is how the gain-of-function bat virus escaped.

Nobody in Wuhan could admit this at the time (and still can't) because it would result in a massive loss of face, which we all know is the worst possible outcome for anything.

The head of the Provence then held a feast of 40,000 people communally following this as a show of face to assuage the fears of the people because there's nothing to worry about, a little bit of laduzi, a little bit of pneumonia never hurt anyone who mattered.

Lol jokes. Zoonotic diseases emerge in literally every country, literally every other month and there is nothing that can be done to prevent this, or stem the spread of these when they arise.

>>23922

http://www.whiov.cas.cn/105341/201911/t20191118_5438006.html

>>23916

The data is accurate - the time lag on death reporting (particularly for out-of-hospital deaths) means that the daily reported death toll is a significant under-estimate; many of the deaths being reported as part of today's toll actually happened several days ago. On top of that, we're bottlenecked by testing capacity - we can do about 10,000 tests per day, but it often takes three or four tests per patient to get an accurate result. This means that both the daily new cases and the daily deaths figure represents the upper bound of our testing capacity, not the actual number of cases.

>>23924

Your answer doesn't demonstrate that the chart is true. It just offers speculation as to why the chart might be true and that is as good as rumour. Truthiness if you will.

If you have a link to the orginal article or another article to that affect which reports on this alleged death - confirmation gap or a link to NHS death records for recent days that I could use confirm this to be the case that would satisfy my doubt.

>>23925

The FT is paywalled, but here's the Twitter thread from the FT's economics editor, the source data from the ONS and a couple of relevant articles from The Guardian.

https://twitter.com/ChrisGiles_/status/1247458186300456960

https://t.co/V3INF4Y7nw

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/04/why-what-we-think-we-know-about-the-uks-coronavirus-death-toll-is-wrong

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/09/covid-19-hundreds-of-uk-care-home-deaths-not-added-to-official-toll

>>23926

Looked into the figures on that sheet it looks accurate, it seems mostly that the NHS aren't in a rush normally to declare a deaths and cause of death so they aren't included in the 'up to date' figures, as you said.

Nothing sinister, just that level of immediate reporting is not normally expected proceedure as far as I can tell.

>>23926
Problem with the ONS report is that they're doing a very simplistic search for mentions of covid-19 on death certificates, there's no context.
A lot of these additional numbers will be either where covid has been mentioned as a possible contributing factpr or simply be pure speculation of the coroners.

>>23928
Other problem being there are plenty of people dying at home and in care homes from covid-19 that are being ignored or not counted.

>>23930
Google finds two articles that image appeared in from the same source: one suggesting the police are going to start getting tougher on enforcement and another from three hours later quoting the Home Secretary saying "no they ain't".

>>23929

That isn't a thing that happens. People obviously do die at home but the idea that no one ever looks into the cause of death and it isn't recorded is simply untrue.

>>23932
I know the bodies weren't found in a dwelling but what happened with the Stephen Port murders make me question that assertion.

>>23931
It was from a Mail article but they appear to have since removed the image from it. Is Priti Patel actually trusted to do stuff now?

>>23193
>https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/03/20/exhausted-nurses-overwhelmed-london-hospital-wore-bin-bags-protect/

They apparently tested positive recently.

>>23193">https://metro.co.uk/2020/04/08/nurses-wore-bin-bags-due-ppe-shortage-test-positive-coronavirus-12530286/>>23193

>>23932
>That isn't a thing that happens.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/09/covid-19-hundreds-of-uk-care-home-deaths-not-added-to-official-toll
Why do you say things with such confidence when you haven't the slightest idea what you're talking about? Is this the Dunning-Kreuger effect in action?

>>23935
>>23185

>https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/03/20/exhausted-nurses-overwhelmed-london-hospital-wore-bin-bags-protect/

I'll try not to fuck it up this time.

https://metro.co.uk/2020/04/08/nurses-wore-bin-bags-due-ppe-shortage-test-positive-coronavirus-12530286/

>>23937

Just wait for the otherlad to come along and say that's all made up because the bins he uses aren't blue.

>>23933

You mean when the original inquests into the deaths returned open verdicts and the coroner stated “some concerns surrounding Daniel's death which have not been answered by the police investigation".

The police mishandled it because the police are homophobic barbarians with state approval that roam the countryside, the ONS and Coroners’ Society of England & Wales rarely make assumptions and come up with definitive answers.

>>23936

I'll side with a random bloke over the internet who claims to know what he;s on about over a Guardian journo who definitely doesn't know what they're on about, TBQPFH m8.

>>23936

They aren't added at that point because they haven't been fully recorded yet. they won't appear on those figures because the coronor hadn't reached a conclusion at the time. Of course they end up in official figures they just aren't in your 24 hour around the clock up to date scaremongering reporting you spazpot.

This is the media making their own story they push for the numbers known at a certain point then act shocked when those numbers need to be revised later.

>>23941

So what you're saying is there are plenty of people dying at home and in care homes from covid-19 that are being ignored or not counted.

>>23942

That isn't what I said at all. No one is ignoring them. They are never ignored. And they are being counted, they just arent making the news the same day. Just because you don't understand in the real world results don't appear instantly doesn't mean they don't appear.

>>23943
They're dying and they're not being counted yet which doesn't contradict the original statement, the one that you said was wrong because they will eventually be counted, you reckon, at some unspecified point in the future; because the government definitely isn't trying to play down the number of deaths in order to get back to business as usual, the Tories would never do that despite all the evidence of them already having started doing it.

>>23945

I really don't think you get it.

Doctor man tell office man about death, but sometime doctor man don't do telling until tomorrow after death, but office man still need to tell death every day, so he say what he see, OK?

>>23945

>the Tories would never do that despite all the evidence of them already having started doing it.

Glad we can all agree that, even though some papers are desperate for views, the government is subject to the same administrative problems that we all face in life. It's good to see you behind your government!

>>23947

If they're not being counted at the moment then they're not being counted, that's how the present tense works.

So basically we're all being massive pedants for the sake of having the biggest fear/outrage boner?

MASS GRAVES IN NEW YORK!

Nobody spending five minutes to find out they're the same mass graves New York has always had, because if you die in America without a funeral plan or a family that can afford it (which is a lot of Americans) that's just what they do with you. Not black death plague pits.

>>23869
Painfully unfunny. Has any video this man's made been remotely close to being witty or clever?

>>23950
>MASS GRAVES IN NEW YORK!

You watched that David Icke video, didn't you ;)

>>23950

>Normally, about 25 bodies a week are interred on the island, according to the Associated Press news agency.

>But burial operations have increased from one day a week to five days a week, with around 24 burials each day, said Department of Correction spokesman Jason Kersten.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-52241221

Was just sitting outside and heard the neighbour spewing the base-level "do your research" conspiracy bollocks.

Aside from half of the science being so completely wrong, he was also saying that "St. Corona is the patron saint of epidemics". Seriously? For someone who's "done their research", that didn't seem to extend to a single search, or if you don't trust that, opening a catholic text?

Also that the WHO is 100% privately funded by Bill Gates.

Wanted to pipe up and say something but there's no point with these people.

>>23954

More of a case for Saint Jude.

>>23953

So what's your point? Of course they're being used more when more people are dying. That's how people dying works.

It doesn't suddenly make it into the scary story the newspapers are trying to spin it as.

>>23956

Significantly more people dying than usual isn't scary?

>>23957

No, it's kind of what you expect when there's a pandemic going on.

Get a grip vaginalad, for christ's sake.

>>23959
By that logic, if someone's running at you with a knife you shouldn't be scared of being stabbed because it's what you'd expect?

>>23960
Clearly you should be more scared when you're completely safe because you're not expecting to die.

>>23960

Being scared of an actual knife is a bit different than being scared due to media sensationalism about knives.

I'm doing loads of exercise.
If you can't find a way to do 20k before 9am
I'm finding it hard to lift, as a juduka
The floor is a recovery

>>23963

Abstract poetry goes in /lit/ or /iq/ m8.

>>23959

Give your head a wobble you stupid cunt.

>>23962

How many people have to die before it's not sensationalism and we're right to be worried?

>>23957

A live body and a dead body contain the same number of particles. Structurally, there's no discernible difference.

100,000 people out of 7 billion is not statistically significant.

The only thing that matters is that the stock market does well.

This is presumably the philosophy of the people in charge.

>>23966
>>23967

The point is that screaming MASS GRAVES is a known psychological trigger, it conjures up images unmarked open pits where bodies are piled up like refuse. We already know the number of deaths per day, we know it's getting worse, it doesn't need to be sensationalised in this way.

>>23966

Just one person. But it has to be a proper famous person.

>>23960

Well, knife crime is at the highest levels since records began, so maybe you should be scared of that, if the amount of people dying on the other side of the Atlantic is enough to trouble you.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-47156957

I shouldn't have to point out that everyone fully expected America to be hit like a freight train if this disease reached them, because they have absolutely no public healthcare system to speak of.

Honestly though people who are scared of covid are dickheads. There are very clear steps you can take to protect yourself, and as long as you're not one of the fucking inbreds who have lost the plot and started soaking their groceries in bleach you should be able to assure yourself pretty rationally that you will be okay.

>>23971

Maybe the people who are scared are at risk? I understand the need to be a contrarian but thinking it's unreasonable to be "troubled" by a pandemic is ludicous.

>>23971

My missus is one of those loony inbreads who has started soaking her groceries in bleach, what makes it amusing is that in normal circumstances she is slobby as fuck. Her bedroom at any given moment looks like a hurricane hit it with dirty clothes scattered all over the floor, her bathroom is a fucking health hazard with cockroaches crawling everywhere and dried menstrual blood caked on the underside of her toilet seat, but she suddenly feels the desperate need to bleach her vegetables and rinse every single item she buys from the supermarket because of some video she saw on Facebook, or something. Women are utterly incomprehensible.

>>23973
> loony inbreads

Is that some new kind of stuffed loaf born of this sudden rush of artisan home baking?

>>23971

>shouldn't have to point out that everyone fully expected America to be hit like a freight train if this disease reached them, because they have absolutely no public healthcare system to speak of.

The fact that they have a republican senate with Trump as President makes me feel like this is 100 times worse than it could be. The idea that this was a democrat conspiracy and fear mongering was the partyline up until trump declared 100k dead and they just processed that immediately like it was acceptable losses in the name of the economy and that Trump was distracted by the fake impeachment by the democrats so it is their fault these people have to die he is only doing his best, like that wasn't contradictory to the rhetoric of 5 mins beforehand, it is real 'we have always been at war with Eastasia' shit.

>There are very clear steps you can take to protect yourself, and as long as you're not one of the fucking inbreds who have lost the plot and started soaking their groceries in bleach you should be able to assure yourself pretty rationally that you will be okay.

The problem is not me, the problem is everyone I am required to interact with a chain is only as strong as the weakest link.

>>23975

Honestly what would have been the difference with the democrats in charge, though? The futility of discussing American politics this way is just unbearable. There's barely a pube's width between the parties on substantial policy.

It's just America. They're an individualistic society, that means if something like a massive epidemic hits, it's everyone for themselves. If you're one of the poor sods who has to keep going out to work, that's a you problem. You should have built a bunker full of jarred food and assault rifles just in case, like a responsible American.

>>23976

The biggest difference was that Obama put a load of procedures in place to preempt this kind of scenario and Trump stripped it all out as soon as he got in. You also wouldn't find a democrate president advising people drink poison. Stop the 'they are just as bad as each other bolocks' we all know they aren't.

>>23977

They are though. The Democrats are a centre-right party every bit as concerned with serving business interests and jingoism first and foremost. Stop pretending they are different.

The best you can say is that one of them is more supportive of things like abortion rights, but none of that makes a difference because in practical terms most American social policy is state level. Even Obama's healthcare bill was a colossal fuck up, and his foreign policy remained practically unchanged from that of Bush.

If we're being exceptionally generous, we can imagine a Democrat administration taking faster steps to counter the spread of coronavirus. But without public health infrastructure there's little they could have done differently after the spread had started accelerating. American government is extremely hands-off, by design, regardless who's in charge.

>>23978
Grandaaaad, the spinny thing has got stuck again!

>>23979

Muuuuuum, the man on the Internet won't stop being right!

>>23978
Well, Obama actually set up a pandemic response organisation that was widely lauded and quite probably would've led to a more timely response. Guess who shut it down?

>>23981

See the last paragraph. It would have seen a faster response, but the people getting seriously ill and dying would still have been fucked because neither that nor Obamacare changed anything much about the nonexistent public health infrastructure. American hospitals are luxury hotels, not emergency treatment centres.

>>23981

Yes I imagine for example no one would be having a circle jerk over what a great job he is doing if he managed to have five times as many cases as any other country not even his own party would support him.

The news networks would probably be having a teary that he took away their liberty unnecessarily and corona isn't a real threat whilst complaining Obama care doesn't work because he let 100 deaths happen by this point.

This is the worst character assination the right wing gutter press was able to come up with to attack Obama at one point.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=timvZTKr5HQ

Could you imagine saying that he is equivalent to Donald Trump and actually believing it?

>>23982

fast response is litterally everything in a pandemic, if you have a fast enough response people start complaining about what all the fuss was to begin with because you respond to the threat before it is an issue.

>>23983

Remember when he had dijon mustard too? What a cunt.

This sort of thing is unfathomable though, that they're actually serious. How any of these people can keep a straight face is beyond me, unless they're genuinely drinking the koolaid too.

I wonder if he'd have been a reckless idiot if he hadn't worn a helmet?

All this arguing is just making me glad labour didn't win the last election. Corbyn's plan to beat Corona: free broadband!

>>23983

Doesn't come entirely as a shock in a country where people still don't find a seat belt particularly necessary.

You're only really free if you're also free to smash your own head in falling off your bicycle.

>>23986
He'd have probably tried to open a dialogue with coronavirus about sharing sovereignty. The end result of this discussions would be a free council house and unlimited benefits for the virus.

>>23986

Didn't you lot keep telling us Corbyn was a totalitarian? Presumably he'd actually have acted in January to lock down ports of entry, or at the very least have had the gestapo measuring people's temperatures and welding blocks of flats shut.

>>23989

Now look here, you can't expect them to feel right all the time and be consistent.

>>23986>>23988
Real pea-brain behavior to act all smug about the hypothetical bad job Corbyn would have done hours after Johnson was taken off a ventilator because of his own recklessness while the UK quickly makes it's way up "most knackered by COVID-19" list for reasons directly related to his government's handling of the situation, but alright, it's a four day weekend in lockdown, you do what you need to to get through it.

So Obamacare is being criticised here for not improving health infrastructure when to my knowledge that was never the direct intention of that legislation, it was about making healthcare affordable, hence the name Affordable Care Act.

I'm mainly taking cues from that meme comic that explained the law, but to sum up: insurers can no longer deny policies on the basis of pre-existing conditions, and in return it is mandatory for everyone to be insured, with support for the poor through a means-tested benefit. Thus it tackles the problem of many people being uninsured and being unable to pay for care when they become sick. Am I missing anything?

>>23992
>Am I missing anything?
Yeah the slow boat to New York.

>>23991
It's easy to be critical with the benefit of hindsight.

>>23994
And foresight too.

>>23992

> and in return it is mandatory for everyone to be insured, with support for the poor through a means-tested benefit. Thus it tackles the problem of many people being uninsured and being unable to pay for care when they become sick.


You're underestimating America's view on poverty. People who are rich, and dictate politics in the U.S. through their networks and old boys clubs, are basically stuck in a Dickensian-era workhouse mindset that poverty is a character flaw that is your own fault as the pauper who suffers from it. Why should the rich give to you, when you have failed to become one of them?

Then, of course, you also have the question how charity as a concept fits into that. Charities to help the poor are abundant in the U.S., much more so than in Britain. But my perception is that a lot of it is a welcome fig leaf, both so that rich people can feel less guilty about their wealth, and to give themselves a veneer of social responsibility, when in reality, they don't care diddly squat about the poor. Add to that a general reluctance by many Americans towards the concept of government-controlled wealth redistribution, and it goes a long way explaining why Republicans in particular were so up in arms about even the idea of Obamacare.

>>23995
Cool your jets, Mystic Meg.

>>23992

Yeah, you're missing a fuck of a lot to be honest lad. Mandatory health insurance doesn't translate to people actually being treated. It means a lot of people on paper have insurance, and that's about fucking it.

There's a good documentary about how many people in the States still get payouts declined by insurers in the states but I can't be bothered to find it because you've clearly got your tongue so far up Obama's chocolatey arse you wouldn't believe it anyway.

Biden is going to lose to Trump and we're going to have another four years of that colossal dickhead anyway, so I really don't understand what Democrat-lad is gaining by standing up for them. The Democratic part are comfortably to the right of even our Tory party, I don't understand why you're fantasising otherwise.

>>23998
>The Democratic part are comfortably to the right of even our Tory party

I wish people would stop mindlessly repeating this.

I was eating rather well in lockdown, but in the last few days I've realised how easy and quick it is to whip up chocolate shortbread and it's all going downhill very quickly.

It's starting to feel like it'll be luck if you avoid getting it by now.

>>23994

It's easy to be critical when you entirely invent someone's failings and then criticise those.

>>23999

Why isn't it true?

>>24003
It's different cheeks of the same arse.

Johnson was too slow to react to the pandemic because he was more concerned with the economic impact and was following the judgement of Cummings. If Corbyn was in charge he'd react to the crisis in his usual way by being paralysed by indecision, too fearful that the Graun would brand him racist if he shut the borders, before dithering into a compromise that satisfies nobody.

>>24004

In what way are those two completely different reactions and reasons for them "different cheeks of the same arse"?

>>24004

None of that has anything to do with why or why not the US democrats are further right than the Tories.

Keep speculating on what Jezza would have done, though, it's obviously important enough to you that you don't bother reading the post I was replying to before attacking him.

>>24004
>It's different cheeks of the same arse.

I wish people would stop mindlessly repeating this too.

>>24003
Because it's not 2010 anymore.

>>24007

Great explanation mate.

>>23986
>Corbyn's plan to beat Corona: free broadband!

Actually he came out with a suggestion quite quickly in this crisis to close all the detention centres. That's ARE Corbyn, always looking out for his electoral base.

>>23992
>So Obamacare is being criticised here for not improving health infrastructure when to my knowledge that was never the direct intention of that legislation, it was about making healthcare affordable, hence the name Affordable Care Act.

Weird because it seems like the goal was actually to turn taxpayers upside-down and shake their pennies out for political benefactors in the medical industry. You know damn well that the system was deliberately broken from the start and the Democratic party won't be changing that anytime soon.

Sometimes I think it would be a good idea to have Socialism temporarily, like the ability of the state to shoot people that are coughing in the road. We'd all be starving but then again I need to lose a bit of weight, plus people are getting used to the supermarket queues. Except there wouldn't be any food and we'd all drink potato vodka.

>>24008
Ok I'll spell it out for you.

How many Tory voters describe themselves as socialists? That would have to be an entire wing of the party right? Seeing as many Democrats describe themselves as such (obviously not enough to get Bernie Sanders elected but some). Saying "the party that opposes socialism is to the left of the party that has many supporters who call themselves socialists" is utter gibberish. You heard it on a panel-show in 2010.

>>24011

How voters self describe is a terrible metric.

>>24012
Well of course you can pretend any party is anywhere on the political spectrum if you say everyone is lying about what they really believe.

>>24010
We do have socialism, what sort of septic shibboleth is that?

>>24009
>Actually he came out with a suggestion quite quickly in this crisis to close all the detention centres.
It's actually a very good suggestion. Large numbers of people, some of them very vulnerable, all concentrated in one place with less than brilliant health facilities. For the virus, that's like an all-you-can-eat buffet. Lawyers in the US have been trying (and succeeding) at getting people out of ICE custody for exactly the same reason.

>>24011

Sanders' policy positions are well to the left of Corbyn; his public spending commitments would make the American public spending the highest in the world as a share of GDP. Biden is firmly centrist/centre right, somewhere between Blair and Cameron.

>>24009
Sounds about right for Calamity Corbyn. Make Labour a complete irrelevance by focusing on things like illegal immigrants and how increased public spending to stop millions being made redundant proves he was right all along so has won the argument.

>>24016
>Sanders' policy positions are well to the left of Corbyn; his public spending commitments would make the American public spending the highest in the world as a share of GDP.

What does that have to do with the Tory party?

>Biden is firmly centrist/centre right, somewhere between Blair and Cameron.

I agree but again it's not really a response to anything I said.

>>24017
I think he's probably relieved that he didn't win the election by now.

DON'T FORGET TO CLAP FOR THE KIDDIEWINKS AGAIN TOMORROW.

>>24020

I can't wait for next week's: CLAP FOR THE CLAPPERS!

>>24020
Don't forget that the rabbit that normally brings them stuff for Zombie Jesus Chocolate Day has been furloughed this year.

There's a piece in the Graun claiming that the reason coronavirus has been handled so badly is because all of the senior decision makers in government are male. Christ alive.

>>24023
It's not the gender. They're just incompetent fuckwads.

>>24020
If you don't clap the NHS you will be socially discredited. Few people Von my street whining about people not turning out lol.

>>24024
Exactly. I wouldn't expect the response to have been more compassionate if the likes of Priti Patel, Theresa May, Theresa Villiers and Esther McVey had greater involvement. There's not much diversity of thought if they're all sociopaths.

>>24023
Please stop reading thonk pieces, you'll only encourage more of them.

>>24026
Please stop using the term "sociopaths", psycopathy is one and the same and "sociopathy" generally refers to a Hollywood-ised version of the condition.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/breaking-change-lockdown-rules-means-21838155
What will happen to our streets when only the autismos are allowed on it?

>>24028
>socio/psycopathy is one and the same
I thought it was defined by the root cause, ie nature/nurture?

>>24029
>What will happen to our streets when only the autismos are allowed on it?
Autism hunting season.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-somerset-52217868

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-52263244

I, for one, do not even talk to strangers in a park. What do you reckon the nudge unit is going to do to ensure the compliance of us paranoid weirdos?

>>24033

Icke right again.

>>24033
This all hinges on how panel 2, 4 and 5 work, and I'd be genuinly curious to hear a crypto expert's explanation on how that works so that the key exchanged in 2 is not traceable in 5 or 6. If the middle man is treated as "secure" then its trivial, but 2 implies its P2P at least to some extent.

For this to work, though, I assume at least WiFi or Bluetooth is needed and unless BT connectivity is used, location services come into play. None of this bodes well for believable privacy.

>>24035

It's Bluetooth-based, because Bluetooth is actually more reliable in this application - Bluetooth can reliably detect proximity indoors, whereas the accuracy of GPS plummets if there's not line-of-sight with the sky.

The real problem is the conflict between privacy and security. The proposed system is as close to anonymous as you can reasonably get, but that anonymity means that the system has no verification. If I (or a naughty Russian) have the private key of someone who I know will test positive, I can set up a Bluetooth beacon in a train station and broadcast his public key, so everyone who passes through the station gets a ping later saying that they've been in contact with an infected person.

>>24037
That attack would not be very effective. Plus if everyone's on lockdown anyway, you won't get that many people passing through the station.

If you want to do serious harm, you need it to not register the traces of someone who's positive.

>>24038

The whole point is that the app might allow us to relax lockdown measures. It's almost irrelevant whether you can block true positive contacts or create false positive contacts; the latter allows you to spam the system, reducing the signal-to-noise ratio to the point of uselessness. Imagine a smoke alarm that goes off 50 times a day for no reason - would that be a useful smoke alarm? We have no countermeasure for this attack that wouldn't reduce the anonymity of the system.

>>24039
If anything, some false positive contacts might lead to tests revealing previously unknown infected individuals, so it's not quite as useless as it seems unless you have the capability to inject truly large numbers of false positives.

There's also the small matter of "someone who you know will test positive".

If you get tested and told you have it, what then?
I only ask because if you get marked down as having it on the official figure but get told to go home and come back in 2 weeks to get retested?
The UK's recovered numbers are currently N/A but over the past few weeks were around 150, then 300 starting last week. Pretty fucking low compared to other countries.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ERi2cL730o

>>24041

You either go to hospital and die, in which case you get put down in the red number. Or you stay at home and get better and everything's fine, in which case you'll be part of the green number in about a month when somebody at Big Statistic is spare to do the adding up.

>>24030

How are you going to convince a passing copper though that you are autistic? Do you recite your town's bus schedule, or do you tell him unflattering things about his appearance at point blank?

>>24043
Yes but thunderf00t is a colossally arrogant bellend. Whilst the majority of his videos are generally correct he has a bad habit of believing a lot of his own opinions and assumptions are hard facts.
He makes some good points but he's also scaremongering based on unrealistic worst case scenarios. Take his discussion on on the impact of death toll on the economy, he is working on the assumption that the deaths are equal across all age groups, and the assumption that the virus will eventually infect 100% of the population within months if left unchecked.

>>24045
People with proper autism and children who are just a bit different will have someone with them to back it up. I assume everyone else will have some kind of doctors note for claiming bennies and getting workplace adjustments.

To be honest, I'm a bit disappointed at the supposed slide into 1980s policing. I'm told the police have carte blanche to wipe the floor with you but I've not seen this power being applied to all the low-level public menaces that make life more stressful. A complete douche was singing Bella Ciao shirtless with his acoustic guitar on a balcony yesterday - there's no justice.

>>24048

>I'm told the police have carte blanche to wipe the floor with you

I think early 2000s post-9/11 was the low point, and then of course the whole 7/7 hubbub in Britain, because that's when paranoia and racial profiling were at their height, and when police powers were extended and bent so that even harmless children could be investigated under anti-terrorism legislation. We've come back a bit from that, I think, and it's a bit too early to tell if all the lockdown measures have resulted in an abuse of police power.

>>24045

>How are you going to convince a passing copper though that you are autistic?

If you're one of us three, he'll be able to tell.

>>24049
Don't be daft, it's not even the same conversation. The arbitrary powers police had in the 1980s were different because the entire state apparatus would help cover it up and there was no Human Rights Act you could rely on. If there was a later peak it was with the Poll Tax Riots.

Terrorism was much closer to home and we'll probably never know the true extent of the abuses that went on.

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2020/apr/13/eamonn-holmes-says-5g-coronavirus-claims-may-not-be-false

>The This Morning co-host Eamonn Holmes has suggested that it may “suit the state narrative” to dismiss false claims linking 5G technology and coronavirus.
>He told Beer: “I totally agree with everything you are saying but what I don’t accept is mainstream media immediately slapping that down as not true when they don’t know it’s not true. No one should attack or damage or do anything like that but it’s very easy to say it is not true because it suits the state narrative.”
>At least 20 phone masts across the UK are believed to have been set alight or vandalised since the start of the pandemic in connection to false 5G claims, according to government and industry sources, who said this month they were increasingly concerned about the impact of the baseless theories.

We are a power cut away from becoming the Central Africans hurling abuse at medical staff. A week of it and we'd be wearing wedding dresses and carrying machine guns.

>>24052 He added: “That’s all I would say, as someone with an inquiring mind.”

Fucking hell, your mind isn't inquiring, that would require some effort you vacuous shit.

>>24053

Are you having a teary at the poster or at Eamonn Holmes?

>>24054
Most likely the poster. Eamon Holmes would never read it so it'd just be a teary in vain otherwise.

>>24055

Considering that he's not quoting the poster I have to then assume that he's gone utterly nutcake.

I am The Poster, The Replier is clearly referring to Eamonn Holmes.

>>24055 Eamonn clearly gets his information from somewhere. Possibly it's from here, possibly it's pulled out of his arse. I'm trying to cover all possibilities, and will also be shoving a 30 volume set of 'Foundations of science for media fuckwits' up his arse later tonight.

Trolled to tears. It's been a while. Bloke's a cunt.

3 of my relatives in Spain have died from corona. Would it be possible for me to sue China?

>>24059
Order a Chinese takeaway but refuse to pay for it. That'll learn em.

Of all the "Brit cops acting silly during a pandemic" videos, this one has eroded my faith in policing the most. It has restored my faith in the British gentleman though.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dw5npI1_xNo

>>24061
Nice how they all congregate in the hall way while preaching social distancing.

>>24062
That's one aspect. Then there's how they walk in, touching door handles and surfaces and only one of them thinks to put gloves on, as she's about to leave. Never mind kicking someone's door through without a warrant.

Police have been grenaded in the UK fairly recently for far less (not that I would condone such violence obviously but there are some absolute madmen about).

>>24061

I already had no faith in the police, this just shows they can't even be competent at being fucking fascists.