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>> No. 83551 Anonymous
5th October 2017
Thursday 9:16 pm
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>Sir Edward Heath 'would have been questioned' over abuse claims
>Sir Edward Heath would have been questioned over sex abuse claims if he was alive when they came to light, police have said. Wiltshire Police launched Operation Conifer in 2015 when the former PM was accused of historical child sex abuse.

>The Conservative politician would have been interviewed under caution over seven claims, including the alleged rape of an 11-year-old, they said. No inference of guilt should be drawn from this, police stressed. The allegations include one of rape of a male under 16, three of indecent assault on a male under 16, four of indecent assault on a male under 14, and two of indecent assault on a male over 16.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-41503143

How in Gods name is this still going on? Operation Conifer has so far burnt through £1.5 million without a shred of evidence and the press are still going along with it instead of calling for Mike Veale to be sacked and possibly tarred and feathered.

I seem to remember a mythical time when if someone talked about satanic rituals they would be laughed at.
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>> No. 83765 Anonymous
10th December 2017
Sunday 8:19 pm
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>>83764
Jesus christ is that a vogon?
>> No. 83766 Anonymous
10th December 2017
Sunday 8:34 pm
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>>83765
It would appear to be a bump to a two-month old thread. Which, I suppose, is on par with the poetry.
>> No. 94881 Anonymous
19th October 2021
Tuesday 9:11 pm
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It looks like this is the only thread you've ever had about allegations of MPs being kiddy-fiddlers. I guess that's fine, since all those allegations were proven to be absolutely, demonstrably false. BUT...

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-leicestershire-58932593

>Police investigations into allegations of child abuse against a former MP were marred by "a series of failings", a report has found.
>The Independent Inquiry into Child Sexual Abuse (IICSA) said Leicestershire Police officers "shut down" investigations into Lord Janner "without pursuing all inquiries".

>Professor Alexis Jay, chairman of the inquiry, said police and prosecutors "appeared reluctant to fully investigate" claims against Lord Janner despite "numerous serious allegations".

>"On multiple occasions police put too little emphasis on looking for supporting evidence and shut down investigations without pursuing all outstanding inquiries," she said.

>"This inquiry has brought up themes we are now extremely familiar with, such as deference to powerful individuals, the barriers to reporting faced by children and the need for institutions to have clear policies and procedures setting out how to respond to allegations of child sexual abuse."

So even though the feds did describe that barmy guy's claims as "credible" when he said MPs were all evil sex-cult paedos, they didn't actually try very hard at all to investigate the claims. Again, it must be tough to be an MP. Everyone thinks you're a Satanic pederast and child-molester, simply because you have a job which would hypothetically allow you to be one with impunity and absolutely get away with it if you hypothetically decided to do such a thing. I wonder if this news will lead to more allegations against MPs who are still alive, or if everyone has just decided none of these things could ever possibly have happened.
>> No. 94882 Anonymous
19th October 2021
Tuesday 9:23 pm
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>>94881
Maybe we could start our own Satanic Panic/Qanon/Paedo Hysteria thing about the Tories.
>> No. 94883 Anonymous
19th October 2021
Tuesday 9:43 pm
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>>94882
I'm not really one for encouraging crazy people but I certainly wouldn't shed a tear for at least half the Tory MPs if someone merked them.

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>> No. 91916 Anonymous
15th January 2021
Friday 1:42 pm
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So...

Has there been one single actual advantage of Brexit yet?
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>> No. 94876 Anonymous
19th October 2021
Tuesday 10:44 am
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>>94874

>I love how the idea that immigrants don't affect wages is well and truly blown to smithereens

Anybody with economics orientation week at uni under their belt could have told you that.


>>94875

Fairly typical. Doesn't usually end well when the self-proclaimed intelligentsia leave their posh surroundings to stoop down to the common people.

Rent a flat above a shop
Cut your hair and get a job
Smoke some fags and play some pool
Pretend you never went to school
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>> No. 94877 Anonymous
19th October 2021
Tuesday 10:47 am
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>>94873
>if you work hard enough, you can get up to £30 an hour
>hard-working staff receive more than £20 an hour
>whaddaya mean £10 an hour, I can't afford to pay you £5 an hour!

I bet he's also doing that old sales trick where the workers steadily get their target raised as they hit bonus territory.
>> No. 94878 Anonymous
19th October 2021
Tuesday 11:00 am
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>>94877
It'll be £30 an hour before deductions, like the shitty caravan you have to live on at the farm and for food.

In 2017 the average pay for a summer fruit picker ranged between minimum wage and £10 an hour.
>> No. 94879 Anonymous
19th October 2021
Tuesday 11:01 am
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>>94876

>Anybody with economics orientation week at uni under their belt could have told you that.

Yeah, but the point is that hasn't stopped every major media outlet and every vaguely liberal-lefty EU supporter clinging to it for the best part of the last decade or two.
>> No. 94880 Anonymous
19th October 2021
Tuesday 12:06 pm
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>>94875
If it's anything like the factory job I did ten years ago, you can choose when to start. There are the 6am people and the 8am people who don't want to get up that early. It's the upside of zero-hour contracts. I was always an 8am starter too.

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>> No. 92282 Anonymous
12th February 2021
Friday 8:11 pm
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Perhaps the problem with Labour wasn't actually Jeremy Corbyn?
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>> No. 94867 Anonymous
17th October 2021
Sunday 4:19 pm
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>>94865
Very witty, but there's something that bothers me: Why would you assume that former employees are still concerned primarily with helping their old employer achieve its goals? If you could get a big cash payout by suing a former employer on a no-win-no-fee basis, what've you got to lose? And if their concern is only with setting the record straight, and they can demonstrate their innocence in line with GDPR and so on, surely the only way to achieve that goal is to not keep quiet?
>> No. 94869 Anonymous
17th October 2021
Sunday 5:35 pm
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>>94867
>Why would you assume that former employees are still concerned primarily with helping their old employer achieve its goals?
Because their former employer is a political party of which they are all members, and one which they would clearly like to see evict the current incumbent party from power.

Unless you're suggesting that, of all people, noted tankie Seumas Milne was secretly a Tory all along.
>> No. 94870 Anonymous
17th October 2021
Sunday 5:49 pm
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>>94869
Do you want to do the thing where we go down an increasingly confusing road of "you ought to know that he thinks X, Y, Z, and on that basis, using the principles A, B, C, it's rational to conclude D, E, F, even if you believe 1,2,3 and conclude L,M.N,O,P." as we tediously walk through how the current leadership has intentionally worked to make the party unappealing to the left? Do we want to get into an argument about the hypothetical merits of a high-spending Tory party versus a low tax fiscally responsible Labour party, with one of us arguing from their understanding of the perspective of a group of other people?

I hope not. I'm not particularly keen on it, but I'm not sure how to get out of this cul-de-sac. Let's just say I take it for granted that Labour will lose the next election. Maybe that'll start a more interesting line of discussion.
>> No. 94871 Anonymous
17th October 2021
Sunday 6:36 pm
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>>94870
>Let's just say I take it for granted that Labour will lose the next election.
Well, yes, and suing the party for defamation for [checks notes] accurately naming you as having done something anyone could have expected you to do is a great way of helping to bring about that outcome.
>> No. 94872 Anonymous
17th October 2021
Sunday 7:08 pm
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>>94871
Perhaps Labour's sensible leadership need to remember a lesson from Mr. Blair: just because you believe something doesn't mean you should say it, especially if saying it will threaten your electability.

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>> No. 93958 Anonymous
16th June 2021
Wednesday 4:44 am
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>Tommy Robinson has been accused of misusing supporters’ money, as he declares himself bankrupt despite receiving hundreds of thousands of pounds in donations and funding, The Independent can reveal.

>The Independent has seen financial documents indicating the huge scale of funding given to Robinson since announcing “going independent” in 2018. In little over two months, he received almost £425,000 in donations from his supporters, documents suggest. He is also believed to have raised a significantly larger amount after being jailed for contempt of court in May 2018, though an American group called Middle East Forum said it had funded his defence.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/tommy-robinson-cocaine-donations-prison-b1787467.html

>“Tommy is a liar. The way he treated me, a lot of it, was just a front. It was an act to grow and make a lot of money. I thought he cared about saving Britain, saving young girls from being raped in Rotherham, but it was about making money."

https://www.joe.co.uk/politics/caolan-robertson-tommy-robinson-edl-byline-tv-266122

Do you believe most people in the public domain actually believe what they say or knowing spout bollocks and mislead people because it's very lucrative for them? It seems to happen right across the political spectrum.
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>> No. 94122 Anonymous
18th June 2021
Friday 6:28 pm
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>>94121
Because sometimes their leftiness angers me, so I assume it must be trolling. Surely people can't be that lefty.
>> No. 94123 Anonymous
18th June 2021
Friday 6:32 pm
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>>94122

Would you say you've been triggered?
>> No. 94124 Anonymous
18th June 2021
Friday 7:29 pm
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>>94122
There's no truth here, only fact.
>> No. 94126 Anonymous
18th June 2021
Friday 9:34 pm
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>>94123
Yes. I almost posted on /emo about it.
>> No. 94851 Anonymous
14th October 2021
Thursday 6:55 am
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>Tommy Robinson has been given a five-year stalking protection order after he shouted abuse outside the home of a journalist and threatened to repeatedly return to her address. The founder of the English Defence League, whose real name is Stephen Yaxley-Lennon, went to the property of the Independent’s home affairs correspondent Lizzie Dearden and her boyfriend, Samuel Partridge, in January of this year.

>The deputy chief magistrate Tan Ikram said Robinson’s behaviour “crossed the line between mere harassment and stalking” at a hearing on Wednesday. The court previously heard Robinson had hired a private investigator to find information out about Dearden after a request for comment she made, through his solicitors, on a story alleging that he misused money donated by his supporters. Ikram said that after obtaining Dearden’s address, Robinson had arrived around 10pm, calling for her to come to the door and shouting claims that Partridge was a paedophile.

>The magistrate “wholly rejected” that Robinson had attended the address to “exercise his right to reply” to the article, saying that he had been there to intimidate her and adding there was “not a shred of evidence” that the claims about Partridge were true. “The complainant refused to come out or engage with the defendant,” he said. The defendant reacted by saying that he would come back to her address ‘every night’. In my judgment, that crosses the line in this case between mere harassment and acts associated with stalking in that he threatened to repeatedly return to her home address. The defendant was arrested before he could carry out his threat. I find that the intention of the defendant turning up at a journalist’s house at past 10pm was clear: to intimidate her.”

>Ikram also rejected Robinson’s claim he had been “calm” throughout the incident, saying that it contradicted other undisputed witness accounts from neighbours.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/oct/13/tommy-robinson-gets-five-year-stalking-ban-after-harassing-journalist

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>> No. 90534 Anonymous
28th September 2020
Monday 5:17 pm
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How the turntables.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-leicestershire-54329384
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>> No. 94742 Anonymous
27th September 2021
Monday 11:39 pm
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>>94741

If she's convicted, her constituents can force a by-election.

https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2015/25/contents/enacted
>> No. 94849 Anonymous
13th October 2021
Wednesday 8:20 pm
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>An MP who threatened to throw acid at her partner's female friend and send naked photos of her to her family has been found guilty of harassment.
>Claudia Webbe, 56, also made threatening phone calls to Michelle Merritt because she claimed "we were in a national crisis and lockdown had to be adhered to strictly".

>Some of the phone calls had their number withheld but some did not as Webbe had dialled "121" before Ms Merritt's number instead of "141", which withholds the caller's number.
https://news.sky.com/story/claudia-webbe-mp-found-guilty-of-harassing-partners-friend-with-silent-phone-calls-during-lockdown-12433084

Again, no sign of her standing down and nothing anyone can do.

She'll face a recall petition if she gets a custodial sentence, and only when her appeal options are exhausted.
>> No. 94850 Anonymous
13th October 2021
Wednesday 8:49 pm
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>>94849
>Some of the phone calls had their number withheld but some did not as Webbe had dialled "121" before Ms Merritt's number instead of "141", which withholds the caller's number.

What a fucking clown.

It'll be interesting to see how Labour fuck this up next. They should never have parachuted her in just because she was Corbyn's crony, particularly as the replacement for Keith Vaz after all the sordid shit he got up to. If there is a by-election I'm expecting Galloway to throw his hat into the ring.
>> No. 94866 Anonymous
17th October 2021
Sunday 4:06 pm
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Here is Jeremy Corbyn, the day after it was reported in court about the threats with acid and of releasing naked pictures, calling for solidarity with Claudia Webbe for what she's going through.

https://twitter.com/SaulStaniforth/status/1442940020935983105
>> No. 94868 Anonymous
17th October 2021
Sunday 4:27 pm
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>>94866
It's good to see him with his pal, Russell-Moyle. The same member who (allegedly) released the unredacted internal report into antisemitism in the Labour party containing the names and personal details of whistle-blowers. The same one who threatened to 'rout out' the Tories in his constituency, remarking that he knew where they live.

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>> No. 51150 Anonymous
8th October 2013
Tuesday 9:23 pm
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Young adults in England have scored among the lowest results in the industrialised world in international literacy and numeracy tests.

A major study by the Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development (OECD) shows how England's 16 to 24-year-olds are falling behind their Asian and European counterparts. England is 22nd for literacy and 21st for numeracy out of 24 countries.

Unlike other developed countries, the study also showed that young people in England are no better at these tests than older people, in the 55 to 65 age range. When this is weighted with other factors, such as the socio-economic background of people taking the test, it shows that England is the only country in the survey where results are going backwards - with the older cohort better than the younger.


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-24433320

Cue lots of finger pointing and nothing changing.
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>> No. 94844 Anonymous
10th October 2021
Sunday 8:26 am
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A Conservative MP has said anyone using the term “white privilege” should be reported to the government’s counter-terror programme, and that teachers who criticise the Conservative party should be sacked. Jonathan Gullis told a fringe meeting during the party’s conference in Manchester last week that anyone using the phrase should be referred to the government’s Prevent programme, which is used to track potential daft militant wogs.

According to a recording obtained by the Independent, he told activists: “The term white privilege – very quickly – is an extremist term, it should be reported to Prevent, because it is an extremist ideology. It’s racist to actually suggest everyone who’s white somehow is riddled with privilege.”

He added: “I hope [using the term white privilege] will be reported, I hope that will be looked into, and any teacher who’s perpetuated it in the classroom ultimately should face a disciplinary hearing at the very least.” During the same event, the 31-year-old MP said that teachers should be “sacked” if they criticise the Conservatives. He was elected to the Commons in 2019 for Stoke-on-Trent North.

“The other way we can stop the cancel culture is by actually saying to the woke left lecturers and the woke left teachers – who seem to be becoming more and more apparent – is that ultimately, what’s going to happen if you are going to push your ideology in the classroom there are going to be consequences for you,” he said. “For some reason, if a Labour party member wants to stand up in front of the classroom and say how bad and evil the Tories are, then the headteacher has to take some kind of sympathetic view to that. It’s absolutely disgusting, we need to start sacking people who are pushing their political ideology.”


https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/oct/09/tory-mp-says-using-term-white-privilege-should-be-reported-as-extremism
>> No. 94845 Anonymous
10th October 2021
Sunday 9:41 am
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>>94844

It's really weird how all these conservative MPs are speaking out against their own best weapon against the left.

If they actually do succeed in wiping out the woke left, there's a very real danger the real left might come back to win an election or two.
>> No. 94846 Anonymous
10th October 2021
Sunday 9:42 am
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>>94844
This is the kind of ridiculous stories you hear about in America for fucks sake, how has it come to this here?
>> No. 94847 Anonymous
10th October 2021
Sunday 9:54 am
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>>94845

I think the tactic here is actually just to divert attention to identity politics, cause more people to think about it, and provoke a reaction from the "left" defending it. As I'm sure brain-worms lad would agree, part of the utility of identity politics is that it can't be practically resolved, it's a convenient source of ongoing tension to draw on any time you want to distract the public from material issues.
>> No. 94848 Anonymous
10th October 2021
Sunday 10:16 am
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>>94845
The impression I've got is that quite a few of the new Tory candidates in 2019, particularly those in the so-called red wall they weren't necessarily expecting to win, are in fruitcake territory. Gullis' seat in Stoke had been solidly Labour since it was created in 1950.

What also makes his comments interesting is that he was a teacher up until becoming an MP.

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>> No. 94843 Anonymous
10th October 2021
Sunday 12:40 am
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Austria's Chancellor Sebastian Kurz has stepped down, after pressure triggered by a corruption scandal.

He has proposed Foreign Minister Alexander Schallenberg as his replacement.

Mr Kurz and nine others were placed under investigation after raids at a number of locations linked to his conservative ÖVP People's Party.

He denies claims he used government money to ensure positive coverage in a tabloid newspaper.

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>> No. 94826 Anonymous
4th October 2021
Monday 10:00 pm
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Five people have been arrested after former Tory party leader Sir Iain Duncan Smith was allegedly assaulted by being hit on the head with a traffic cone. The senior MP was pursued by chants of “Tory scum” on his way to a Brexit talk on the fringes of the Conservative Party conference in Manchester on Monday.

Sir Iain was walking to the Mercure Manchester Piccadilly Hotel where he was involved in a talk with Brexit minister Lord Frost. The Spectator magazine quoted Sir Iain as saying: “For half a second I was about to go up and punch them, I went forward and they all backed off – I nearly knocked them out, lost my rag. I can’t tell you very much other than they just followed us, used abusive language, attacked us and used a cone. They were shouting all along and then they smashed the cone on the back of my head and so I turned and grabbed the cone and looked at them and I took a pace towards them and they backed off. I threw the cone on the ground, said ‘pathetic’ and turned and walked off.”


https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/iain-duncan-smith-david-frost-brexit-conservative-party-gmp-b958755.html

This man is going to lose his rag, knock you the fuck out and it's going to be fucking awesome.
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>> No. 94829 Anonymous
4th October 2021
Monday 10:32 pm
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This never would've happened if they hadn't scrapped the cones hotline.
>> No. 94830 Anonymous
4th October 2021
Monday 11:08 pm
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Fair play to the Tory scum.
>> No. 94831 Anonymous
4th October 2021
Monday 11:58 pm
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Three words: small dick energy.

Four more: utterly microscopic dick energy.
>> No. 94833 Anonymous
5th October 2021
Tuesday 12:01 pm
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>>94831

Straight from rudgwicksteamshow.co.uk, I see.
>> No. 94834 Anonymous
5th October 2021
Tuesday 12:54 pm
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>>94831
ayy n1m8 ids wont no wot him im

I enjoyed his door being graffitied, that was nice.

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>> No. 94470 Anonymous
7th September 2021
Tuesday 8:02 pm
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This man isn't going to be the next Chancellor of Germany, and Election Day will be armageddon a bit shit for the Conservatives.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-58472507
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>> No. 94768 Anonymous
30th September 2021
Thursday 3:51 pm
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>>94733
If you know anything about flags, you can guess the Pan African colours of red/green/black, and then if you know anything about Kenya you'll remember it's got a big fuck off shield with white bits.

Personally I like it that the people naming these things are expecting a little bit of awareness from people.
>> No. 94775 Anonymous
30th September 2021
Thursday 7:30 pm
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>>94766

CDU/CSU + FDP for the Baden-Württemberg / Saxony-Anhalt fetishists.
>> No. 94776 Anonymous
30th September 2021
Thursday 7:51 pm
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>>94768

>Personally I like it that the people naming these things are expecting a little bit of awareness from people.

The woke lot would probably lose their shit here in Britain if we did a Tory, Lib Dem and Greens coalition government and called it Jamaica. Cultural appropriation, and that.

From my visits to Germany in the Before times, I can say that people are still a bit more carefree (ignorant?) and less steeped in wokeness than here in Britain. I wouldn't say you'll be shocked what still goes in Germany, but it's something you will definitely notice.
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30th September 2021
Thursday 7:57 pm
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>>94776

>if we did a Tory, Lib Dem and Greens coalition government

EDIT: Of course that would be blue, yellow and green in our case, but you probably get my point. Ours would probably be called a Brazil or Rwanda coalition.
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30th September 2021
Thursday 8:49 pm
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>>94777
When you put it that way, we've previously had Nassau and Liechtenstein coalitions. Some people might think Ukraine, but they'd be wrong.

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>> No. 90436 Anonymous
25th August 2020
Tuesday 2:30 pm
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Rishi Sunak is going to be Prime Minister next year and it's going to be fucking awesome.
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>> No. 94700 Anonymous
23rd September 2021
Thursday 6:44 pm
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>>94699
But what about all the hard working families with no heating?
>> No. 94701 Anonymous
23rd September 2021
Thursday 7:15 pm
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>>94700
They can put a hat on.
>> No. 94702 Anonymous
23rd September 2021
Thursday 8:07 pm
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>>94700
All that hard work will keep them warm.
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23rd September 2021
Thursday 8:34 pm
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>>94698
They're not really suppliers though. They're just companies set up as a bonkers scheme to create an illusion of competition by having a fuckload of middlemen buying energy off real suppliers and selling it onto consumers. The big suppliers are in no real danger in the short term.
>> No. 94704 Anonymous
23rd September 2021
Thursday 11:47 pm
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Where the fuck is Lembit Opik wih his Big Dick Energy Company?

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>> No. 91877 Anonymous
27th December 2020
Sunday 6:56 pm
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>LIZ TRUSS: Equality should be for everyone - not just for the woke warrior's favoured few

>Growing up in Leeds in the 1980s and 1990s, I was struck by the lip service paid by politicians to equality while, in the real world, children from disadvantaged backgrounds were being let down. At my comprehensive school, we had lessons in racism and sexism, but there was too little effort ensuring everyone had a grasp of maths and English.

>Leeds City Council – run by Labour and where Jeremy Corbyn’s former campaign chief Jon Trickett cut his teeth as leader – opposed the introduction of school league tables and anything else that might help children from poor families do better in class. Leeds was not alone. Many other councils considered high standards in schools to be secondary to their political projects – or even worse, they treated such efforts to raise children’s horizons as elitist. And since then, I have witnessed the spread of misguided, wrong-headed, and ultimately destructive ideas, which, sadly, have become steadily more prevalent in many aspects of British life.

>Take, for example, Labour-run Birmingham City Council. It recently announced plans to give six new streets names such as Diversity Grove, Respect Way and Humanity Close. Do councillors really think that names alone pave the way to real change? Too many people have jumped on this woke bandwagon and lost sight of what most people want: a life in which they can live happily in a secure home, work in a good job and send their children to a decent school. Rather than engage with these priorities, the Left has been swept up by a warped ideology and all its bizarre obsessions. As a result, there is a misguided emphasis on policing our vocabulary so as not to offend, rather than policing our streets. And the woke brigade is angrier about the ‘sins’ of historical figures rather than trying to make a better life for those who live today.

>Their answers are to introduce quotas, diversity agendas and so-called ‘unconscious bias’ training. But these crudely treat people as part of groups rather than as individuals. What’s more, those who do not fit in their cultural box-ticking – for example the white working class – are, in effect, written off. And despite their stated intention to improve society, I am convinced that these dehumanising, disempowering and dysfunctional ideas do nothing in practice to make life fairer. Those behind this pernicious woke culture see everything in terms of societal power structures. To these zombies, truth and morality are merely relative.

>The great irony is that with this moral blindness, the Left has allowed insidious practices to threaten equality. For example, it has failed to defend the single-sex spaces that were won by the hard work of women over generations. It has allowed the spread of antisemitism. It has allowed the appalling grooming of young girls for sex by elder men in towns such as Rotherham. It is vital that things change. The way forward is to ignore the Left’s empty gesture politics and give people more control over their lives. Compared with very many other countries, we can be proud about how far society has developed. Britain is more colour-blind and less sexist than ever. That said, we cannot be complacent. Families, especially those living beyond the South East, face serious hardships. Equality should be for everyone, not just for those groups that the Left deems fashionably worthy of such attention.

>What we don’t need is the type of patronising feminism symbolised by Harriet Harman’s notorious ‘pink bus’, which was driven around the country during the 2015 General Election campaign. It often repelled the female voters it was meant to woo. Let us not listen to a party that claims to champion women but which has never elected a female leader. The reason the Tory Party has had two female leaders and now has the largest ever number of people from ethnic-minority backgrounds in Cabinet is not because of positive discrimination, but down to positive empowerment.

>This Government was elected to level up the country – to fix the scourge of geographic inequality and ensure equal opportunity for all. This will not be achieved through identity politics, virtue-signalling or any other kind of right-on posturing. It can only be done if politicians are in touch with the real issues people face in their daily lives. This is a task already under way in government. The Treasury has made it crystal clear that it will assess all future big spending projects in order to guarantee that Ministers spread investment across Britain as part of our policy to level up the whole country.
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>> No. 94567 Anonymous
16th September 2021
Thursday 1:56 pm
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Personally I'm very sanguine about noted rational person Dominic Raab being made Justice Minister a day after Borison Johnson proundly joked that the UK is becoming the "Saudi Arabia of penal policy", to an audience of Tory donors.
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16th September 2021
Thursday 6:40 pm
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>>91877
The right has always strove to create caricatures of what a "leftist" is like and by and large it works.
There is a minority on the left who do stupid things and make stupid choices but the public has by and large been successfully convinced that these people are the mainstream left.
Liz complains that the left are crudely treating people as groups, doing so crudely treating the left as a group.
>> No. 94569 Anonymous
16th September 2021
Thursday 10:07 pm
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>>94564
>This happens repeatedly with anyone that tries to bring up the issue of class too close to the centers of power

ARE Liz done it in the OP.

>>94568
>There is a minority on the left who do stupid things and make stupid choices

I think you're being a bit disingenuous here. It's a sizeable minority at minimum within political parties (or embracing extremism) that you wouldn't want to be cornered in a pub by and when you have a minority of very determined people in power there's no limit to doing stupid things and making stupid choices.

Call it the decline of mass politics if you want. One that I think everyone accepts has been especially traumatic to the left following deindustrialisation.
>> No. 94573 Anonymous
17th September 2021
Friday 8:02 am
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>>94569
>ARE Liz done it in the OP.

She gets tantalisingly close, but carefully skirts the issue. If you pay attention, it's the same old social mobility rhetoric that doesn't recognise any real economic inequalities. Children from disadvantaged backgrounds were being let down, yes, but why? Generations of inequality exacerbated by neoliberal economics? Increasingly precarious work for their parents? Completely different league tables for schools? No, they were just focusing too much on racism and sexism, and didn't have enough lessons in maths and English.

She mentions geographic inequality, but what does that mean if you don't recognise some regions have less money than others? She explicitly says equal opportunity, rather than equality of outcome. She also makes the point to repeat the smear of antisemitism about the only recent version of the left to recognise class, Corbyn's Labour.

This is just posturing against the "woke" enemy that the right themselves have constructed, trying to assuage a working class with vague niceties and score a few points without actually mentioning anything concrete.
>> No. 94574 Anonymous
17th September 2021
Friday 8:06 am
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>>94569
>Call it the decline of mass politics if you want. One that I think everyone accepts has been especially traumatic to the left following deindustrialisation.

Sorry mate, but have you been asleep the past few decades? Deindustrialisation could have been handled multiple ways, but we chose to outdo Reagan on Reaganomics and utterly destroyed our trade unions. This has broken the back of the organisations which the left was centred around. It was a power grab for the right, a pattern that repeated itself throughout the 20th and 19th centuries as soon as "mass politics" threatened to gain any relevance at all.

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>> No. 90255 Anonymous
14th August 2020
Friday 3:38 pm
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This guy is a useless penis.

How the fuck does he survive in post?

Is it because he knows where all of Boris' bodies are buried?
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>> No. 94555 Anonymous
15th September 2021
Wednesday 1:55 pm
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>>90255
ABOUT FUCKING TIME
>> No. 94556 Anonymous
15th September 2021
Wednesday 2:08 pm
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Al Gore's office, circa 2006.
>> No. 94557 Anonymous
15th September 2021
Wednesday 2:20 pm
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>>94556
Oh thats incredible. A Mac Pro with 3x30" screens - I used to have exactly the same setup.
>> No. 94558 Anonymous
15th September 2021
Wednesday 3:15 pm
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>>94557
That must have cost forty billion pounds at the time.
>> No. 94559 Anonymous
15th September 2021
Wednesday 6:28 pm
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Good riddance to this utter fucking cunt. Not only is he a pillock, he's a class traitor. Despise this little creep.

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>> No. 94514 Anonymous
13th September 2021
Monday 6:55 pm
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This woman is going to stay PM of Norway tonight as part of a strong and stable government. It's going to stop me losing a significant amount of money on the Norwegian oil and gas industry.

>Norwegians will vote on Sept. 12-13 to pick a parliament and government for the next four years, with opinion polls showing the centre-left opposition is poised to win power after eight years of Conservative-led rule. Exit polls and forecasts based on early votes will be published on Monday at 1900 GMT, and most ballots will be counted within three to four hours.

>Petroleum policy presents perhaps the biggest challenge for the next prime minister, and the future of Norway's largest industry has been front and centre of the campaign. Citing concerns over climate change, several small parties - the Socialist Left, the Liberals, the Greens and the Reds - seek to halt oil and gas exploration, which brings in almost half the country's export revenues.

>On the right, the Conservatives are dependent on the eco-friendly Liberals, who aim to halt exploration for any new reserves. Solberg is unlikely to accept that goal if she wins, but must find ways to satisfy her party's junior partner. If Labour wins, it faces a similar demand from the Socialist Left to stop drilling for new reserves. But Stoere's own party is wary of the job losses that could follow, and its other likely partner, the Centre Party, favours continued drilling.

>The strongest anti-oil stance is taken by the Green Party, which wants to immediately halt exploration and to end all oil and gas output in Norway by 2035. Stoere says he will reject the Greens' attempt at setting ultimatums.
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/whats-stake-norways-election-2021-09-12/

I'm holding you personally responsible for whatever happens, Ecolad.
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>> No. 94540 Anonymous
14th September 2021
Tuesday 5:11 pm
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Obviously compared to your average 12-year-old Afghan girl right now, I'm absolutely crushing it. But my life has taken a hopefully temporary turn for the /emo/ and I was comparing myself to how I assume most of you live.
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14th September 2021
Tuesday 5:16 pm
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>>94537
Look on the bright side, lad. When your posho parents snuff it you'll be rich.
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14th September 2021
Tuesday 5:37 pm
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You're not doing well, lad. I wouldn't call myself as doing well because I went to public sector in London instead of earning 3-4x times the money in the private sector, but I still have about 30k net worth.

How did you manage to not save buckets of money when it was literally illegal to go outside?

>>94538
>the only extra requirement is sticktuitiveness.

I think this is something sorely underrated in our society. I wouldn't say I'm particularly bright, I'm just a weirdo who has a bit of self-discipline but that discipline has made a world of difference compared to my peers.
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14th September 2021
Tuesday 6:17 pm
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>How did you manage to not save buckets of money when it was literally illegal to go outside?

I only landed this job in January, so virtually the entire 6k I mention has come from that.

Before that, I was buried in an overdraft and small loan taken to pay for paying for accommodation while studying for a postgraduate qualification in another country. Prior to that again, I was an NHSlad on a relatively mediocre payband, saving for the said move.

Basically, I've doubled down on my career and future earnings over current savings at every point of my young adult life, and I also didn't get any transfer of wealth from my parents (not implying you did, but it's a factor here). The result is that I've doubled my salary twice and have set myself up well for the future, but should probably stick around and just earn cash for the time being.
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14th September 2021
Tuesday 7:09 pm
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>How did you manage to not save buckets of money when it was literally illegal to go outside?

Big telly.

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7th September 2021
Tuesday 2:24 pm
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Boris Johnson outlines new 1.25% health and social care tax to pay for reforms

A new health and social care tax will be introduced across the UK to pay for reforms to the care sector and NHS funding in England, the PM has said.

Boris Johnson said it would raise £36bn for frontline services in the next three years and be the "biggest catch-up programme in the NHS' history". He accepted the tax broke a manifesto pledge, but said the "global pandemic was in no one's manifesto".

The tax will begin as a 1.25% rise in National Insurance (NI) from April 2022 paid by both employers and workers, and will then become a separate tax on earned income from 2023 - calculated in the same way as NI and appearing on an employee's payslip. Income from share dividends - earned by those who own shares in companies - will also see a 1.25% tax increase.

The UK-wide tax will be focused on funding health and social care in England, but Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland will receive an additional £2.2bn to spend on their services. Mr Johnson said the proceeds from these rises would lead to £12bn a year going into catching up on the backlog in the NHS created by Covid, increasing hospital capacity for nine million more appointments, scans and operations.

The money will also go towards changes to the social care system, where a cap will be introduced on care costs from October 2023 of £86,000 over a person's lifetime. All people with assets worth less than £20,000 will then have their care fully covered by the state, and those who have between £20,000 and £100,000 in assets will see their care costs subsidised.


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>> No. 94509 Anonymous
11th September 2021
Saturday 12:41 am
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I had Mrs Dickinson, similar height but solid features, bit of a hard Essex accent which was a turn on for us southern as fuck fairylads. There was an actually fit trainee teacher and I can't remember her name, so I don't know what to make of that.

When all's said an done, I'd probably be willing to go up to Joan Collins level of tarted up but saggy as owt. Nina Hartley will probably get me going for the next couple of decades. Is that bad?
>> No. 94510 Anonymous
11th September 2021
Saturday 3:42 pm
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Here we have it.

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1015736/Build_Back_Better-_Our_Plan_for_Health_and_Social_Care.pdf

Only 'personal care' costs are capped, meaning the 'hotel style' costs are excluded from the cap.

This means it's likely only around £400 of the average weekly care costs of £680 would count towards the cap, so you are talking being in care for over four years before you'd reach the cap.

If you're self funding and paying £1,000 a week for care then it's still only the £400 a week or so local authority rate that counts towards the cap, meaning you'd actually pay over £200k before you reached it in four years.

The average person in care is there for 30 months, at a cost of around £82,000.

https://www.independentage.org/news-media/press-releases/cost-of-average-length-of-stay-a-residential-care-home-equivalent-to-26
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11th September 2021
Saturday 4:45 pm
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>>94510
>The average person in care is there for 30 months, at a cost of around £82,000.

This has got to be the shittest bit of getting old.
>> No. 94512 Anonymous
11th September 2021
Saturday 4:46 pm
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>>94510
The purpose of this is to build on the fact that your live-in home doesn't count towards your assets - so presumably the 'hotel style' costs (which isn't referenced in the document?) don't apply for the target. It's for the care worker to pop in and do whatever that woman did who used to visit my nan (sponge baths? tea? etc.)

I could be wrong but I feel like you're reaching too much on this. What you need to do is plough for longer and deeper into how I pay enough tax.

>The average person in care is there for 30 months, at a cost of around £82,000.

I think that's the wrong way to look at it. The 'average person' likely won't need most medical treatment on offer but we still have an NHS paying for it. Go ahead, go into your nearest hospital and ask if you can play with the defibrillator - they told me to piss off. Fat chance I'll ever get a go on those new hospital beds I'm going to have to pay for while we're at it.
>> No. 94513 Anonymous
11th September 2021
Saturday 9:29 pm
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>>94512
>The purpose of this is to build on the fact that your live-in home doesn't count towards your assets - so presumably the 'hotel style' costs (which isn't referenced in the document?) don't apply for the target. It's for the care worker to pop in and do whatever that woman did who used to visit my nan (sponge baths? tea? etc.)

I think you've got the wrong end of the stick. People who are worried about having nothing to pass on to their kids because their wealth has been used to pay for care fees are those who have to go and live in a residential home, not those who can manage with domiciliary care that is partially met through attendance allowance.

Point 37a of the document states that the cap is on personal care costs and covered further in point 38.

From October 2023, the Government will introduce a new £86,000 cap on the amount
anyone in England will need to spend on their personal care over their lifetime. This
will be a seismic change in the way we pay for care and will deliver a core
recommendation of the independent Dilnot Commission. It will be implemented using
legislation already in place under the 2014 Care Act, which introduces the independent
Dilnot Commission’s social care charging reform. As a result of this new cap, people
will no longer face unpredictable or unlimited care costs.


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