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>> No. 91916 Anonymous
15th January 2021
Friday 1:42 pm
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Has there been one single actual advantage of Brexit yet?
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>> No. 94334 Anonymous
20th July 2021
Tuesday 11:52 pm
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>The controversial claim made by Vote Leave during the referendum campaign that the UK was giving the EU £350m a week was a trap set to antagonise the Remain camp

Turns out Vote Leave played you lot like a fiddle.
>> No. 94336 Anonymous
21st July 2021
Wednesday 1:24 am
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"Haha! We lied and they pointed it out! Exactly as planned!" I'm going to have to watch this interview now to understand this so-called trap. I freely concede that "Let's fund our NHS" is not a promise to fund the NHS, and many Remainers seem convinced that it was, but the idea that Brexiteers lied openly and it was all a big trap to fool the people who saw through it is a 4D chess move I really cannot get my head around.
>> No. 94337 Anonymous
21st July 2021
Wednesday 8:21 am
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Surely it's just a mixture of dead cat strategy and rote repetition? If they're talking about the £350m lie, they're not talking about something else. If they're quibbling about the amount, the topic remains "we are sending Europe money" (and there they always concede "Well yes, but also if you look at the net amount..."), and if they're constantly going "Let's talk about the £350m, now, that's not quite true" the key words being repeated are "The £350m", so by attempting to refute the claim on a logical level they actually wind up spreading it on a practical "most of the audience is only half paying attention to the telly because the dog's barking" level.
>> No. 94338 Anonymous
21st July 2021
Wednesday 8:42 am
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Is 14 years in prison for journalists who write about the embarrassing things the government has done "embarrass the government" an advantage of Brexit?
>> No. 94339 Anonymous
21st July 2021
Wednesday 8:58 am
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They've had it far too good for far too long.

>> No. 92282 Anonymous
12th February 2021
Friday 8:11 pm
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Perhaps the problem with Labour wasn't actually Jeremy Corbyn?
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>> No. 94333 Anonymous
20th July 2021
Tuesday 10:35 pm
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I think that's the 'oestrogen infusion' tier.
>> No. 94335 Anonymous
21st July 2021
Wednesday 1:20 am
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A large plot of wasteground that I can build a mansion on. There are plenty around here. I would happily pay 10 grand straight into an MP's pocket to receive such a thing, and nobody else wants them (or at least, they haven't had this brilliant idea).
>> No. 94340 Anonymous
22nd July 2021
Thursday 11:40 pm
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Have you considered offering this money to a landowner instead?
>> No. 94341 Anonymous
23rd July 2021
Friday 7:32 am
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It's difficult to conceive of a less deserving person.
>> No. 94342 Anonymous
23rd July 2021
Friday 1:35 pm
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You could throw it my way. I can't guarantee any political favours, but you'll definitely get an intimate dinner for two at a Harvester of your choice (from a list of two).

>> No. 94260 Anonymous
2nd July 2021
Friday 5:59 pm
94260 Back to Basics, you say?
I've a funny feeling we're going to need this thread.

This man is not going to be the next Prime Minister, and that is quite awesome.
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>> No. 94306 Anonymous
10th July 2021
Saturday 9:42 pm
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I thought "big dick energy" specifically meant NOT having a big dick? That's why it's energy. Like, in the spirit of having a big dick, despite not having one.
>> No. 94307 Anonymous
10th July 2021
Saturday 9:44 pm
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No, it's just what they're calling confidence nowadays.
>> No. 94308 Anonymous
10th July 2021
Saturday 10:41 pm
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You can have BDE regardless of the size (or indeed existence) of your knob.
>> No. 94309 Anonymous
11th July 2021
Sunday 12:44 am
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Big Dick Energy is the energy that makes you suspect someone has a big dick. In many cases, you won't actually know; the energy only makes you suspect it. For example, Romelu Lukaku has BDE but Christian Benteke does not.
>> No. 94310 Anonymous
11th July 2021
Sunday 3:48 am
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I really don't like BDE. Not because of what it is or what it means, but only that it never quite became ubiquitous so someone always needs it explaining when it's brought up.

>> No. 94290 Anonymous
4th July 2021
Sunday 12:49 am
94290 On the way to Madina Masjid
Batley hey

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>> No. 94291 Anonymous
4th July 2021
Sunday 1:23 am
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He doesn't sound very glad at all.
>> No. 94292 Anonymous
4th July 2021
Sunday 2:33 am
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Apparently half 2 is the perfect time for my neighbour to start screaming at the top of his lungs that one of his children is a bastard who is bang out of order.
>> No. 94293 Anonymous
4th July 2021
Sunday 9:17 am
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I hope you shouted to him that he's a bastard who is bang out of order for shouting at half two.
>> No. 94294 Anonymous
4th July 2021
Sunday 9:39 am
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No, but I've been very noisy this morning. Having the radio on, loudly shutting cupboard doors. That'll tell him.
>> No. 94295 Anonymous
6th July 2021
Tuesday 9:48 am
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You should spend a half hour at 8am yelling at the top of your voice directly at the shared wall "I can't believe that my neighbour and his son are such bastards. *pause* They are both bang out of order!"

>> No. 92607 Anonymous
23rd March 2021
Tuesday 3:26 pm
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You know it's local election time when councillors you've never heard of start creeping out of the woodwork again.
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>> No. 94234 Anonymous
29th June 2021
Tuesday 7:25 am
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What exactly is it dogwhistling? I'd think the India-laplanderstan disputes, but that's mentioned directly underneath the image so that can't be the dogwhistle, it's just a whistle.
>> No. 94235 Anonymous
29th June 2021
Tuesday 7:31 am
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Overall the tone that leaflet gives off, to me, is that it takes the Asian/Muslim vote for gtanted on the basis that the other guys are racist. I'd feel pretty patronised if I were a brown.

It's the same losing strategy that has cost them the white working class vote, funnily enough. Tenner bet the same justifications will come out afterwards too, except instead of xenophobic white van men it'll be anti-semitic imams.
>> No. 94236 Anonymous
29th June 2021
Tuesday 9:35 am
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But Modi is pretty openly an enemy to Muslims and Johnson genuinely does want to sidle up close to him, the most recent evidence being him delaying putting India on the red list so long because he wanted to visit. Him being shown shaking hands with a brown man doesn't scream "racist" but him shaking hands with someone who's making discriminatory laws against Muslims might be a reminder to Muslims that he wants to get closer to that same person.

Not that I have high hopes for Labour either way. I'm not really sure what the point is here.
>> No. 94237 Anonymous
29th June 2021
Tuesday 1:01 pm
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Ah the Zac Goldsmith playbook. Both parties have really done a shameful thing in playing up Hindu and laplanderstani nationalism for votes and I'm sure it will all end well if we play the 'your surname means you're on our side' politics. Because when has that ever go awry in the entire history of the world.

Plus Islam is a backwards belief system that has no place in a modern society like all religion and India is a fair-weather friend at best with a society too dysfunctional to be a viable focus for British trade.
>> No. 94249 Anonymous
2nd July 2021
Friday 6:45 am
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323 votes in it. The Tories could have won that if they actually bothered campaigning rather than just leaving Galloway and Labour to throw muck at each other.

>> No. 51150 Anonymous
8th October 2013
Tuesday 9:23 pm
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Young adults in England have scored among the lowest results in the industrialised world in international literacy and numeracy tests.

A major study by the Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development (OECD) shows how England's 16 to 24-year-olds are falling behind their Asian and European counterparts. England is 22nd for literacy and 21st for numeracy out of 24 countries.

Unlike other developed countries, the study also showed that young people in England are no better at these tests than older people, in the 55 to 65 age range. When this is weighted with other factors, such as the socio-economic background of people taking the test, it shows that England is the only country in the survey where results are going backwards - with the older cohort better than the younger.


Cue lots of finger pointing and nothing changing.
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>> No. 94174 Anonymous
22nd June 2021
Tuesday 10:54 pm
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Im not sure why this lad was banned, it seems like a reasonably logical and coherent post, with only a mildly ambivalent tone compared to our usual cunt-off standards.

I think there's an angle that gets overlooked with all this sort of stuff though: White people are the majority in most of this country. And? Well, that shows us the fallacy we have been operating under when we act on the assumption race is the primary factor. White privelege is really just a statistical illusion that comes from grouping the largest ethnicity majority together and disregarding class. When you put class back in it's a different picture.

It's a demonstration of why class is important; race isn't irrelevant as a factor but it isn't anything like the standard narrative would have you beleive. We've spent years compensating for the race factor but completely neglected the class aspect, even though it's by far the more impactful.

The problem at it's core is that we look at these broad trends of data, and we treat people as though they are statistics, not individuals. But in reality, there is no such thing as the "average person". When you cater to the groups that appear to be the most statistically disadvantaged, you exacerbate the hardship suffered by people who the statistics never applied to in the first place.
>> No. 94176 Anonymous
23rd June 2021
Wednesday 7:09 am
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>Im not sure why this lad was banned, it seems like a reasonably logical and coherent post, with only a mildly ambivalent tone compared to our usual cunt-off standards

Mods = sods.

>White privelege is really just a statistical illusion that comes from grouping the largest ethnicity majority together and disregarding class. When you put class back in it's a different picture.

I don't think anyone has realistically seen it as the a significant factor.

The government have devoted an entire section of the report to white privilege because they know that's what the media will pick up on. It's in their interests for this to fit into the ongoing culture war narrative; why blame it on government cuts to education and Sure Start centres or highlight the woeful amount of funding allocated to help children affected by lockdown catch up when you can blame it on political correctness those bloody wokies? We all know wokies hate the white working class because of Rotherham showed us that.
>> No. 94177 Anonymous
23rd June 2021
Wednesday 8:30 am
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>It's in their interests for this to fit into the ongoing culture war narrative

Otherlad here. I think it goes a bit beyond that. The system of incentives to avoid doing or saying anything really challenging throughout your career (whether it be as an academic, politician, journalist, working professional, or any position with a bit of potential political clout) is so strong that only the most hollow and counterproductive forms of dissent are allowed to bubble up to the surface. Anything that might genuinely disrupt the current order of things is quickly diverted, stamped out, mocked, misrepresented, or just plain ignored.

Most people are free to have their career unaffected by their political views, but that's only because they have little to no political power as an individual beyond voting for very similar parties once every few years -- usually on the basis of information designed to manipulate and mislead them. As soon as you go near one of the fancier middle class jobs where you may actually manage other people or have your views heard within circles that matter, you will rapidly notice that doors will close for you if you express the wrong thing. No one will necessarily swoop down and tell you that you're not allowed to talk about class politics, but you may notice that you are unable to get certain positions, you're not considered for "moving on to the next step" of your career, funding is harder to access, and so on.

I suppose my point is that saying vicious but fruitless identity politics is "in their interests" is an understatement, it's the by-product of an political-economic system that is both deeply unequal and subtly punitive.
>> No. 94181 Anonymous
23rd June 2021
Wednesday 12:35 pm
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>why blame it on government cuts to education and Sure Start centres or highlight the woeful amount of funding allocated to help children affected by lockdown catch up when you can blame it on political correctness those bloody wokies?

Well, I mean, apart from the fact that the wokies will scream the house down about anything that seeks to redress the balance for being reverse racism or whatever they call it nowadays? I don't know.

From the Tories side of the table it's no doubt a very opportune situation, but from the left it's absolutely suffocating because you just know they'll focus on fighting back against any and all claims made on mere principle.

This is not a left vs right issue, the right is just laughing and taking advantage of it. For the left it's a matter of life and death, because it is currently infested with a terminal brain parasite that will doom us all to neoliberal hell for eternity and more if it doesn't recover.
>> No. 94185 Anonymous
23rd June 2021
Wednesday 3:40 pm
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>White privilege is really just a statistical illusion

It's a talking point that we imported from the US, which has an obvious and very recent legacy of segregation and legally-sanctioned discrimination. Their racial politics are, if you'll excuse the pun, far more black-and-white than ours.

We don't have a black community, but black communities plural. The Windrush scandal was a huge problem for the black Caribbean community, but it had no direct impact on the majority of black British people who are of African origin. The overwhelmingly Muslim Somali community faces very different issues to the overwhelmingly Christian West African community.

>>94177 is right that there are pressures towards groupthink and reductivist narratives, but I think we underestimate the effects of media economics. The media as a whole and journalism in particular are heavily reliant on unpaid or very poorly-paid interns and junior staff. Talent is much less important than your ability to live in London on no money, so the media has become a dumping ground for posh kids who are just too dim to get a job at Daddy's bank. Unsurprisingly, an industry that is almost entirely staffed by posh thickos reflects the values and attitudes of posh thickos.

>> No. 93040 Anonymous
15th April 2021
Thursday 12:50 pm
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>Scottish election 2021: Residents offered £50,000 to stay in or move to island communities under SNP proposals


>The SNP plans to freeze income tax for the duration of the next Scottish Parliament if it wins the election next month.

>Nicola Sturgeon made the pledge as she launched the party’s manifesto, saying it will help “provide stability to the economy and to household budgets during this period of recovery” from coronavirus. She also announced a “transformational” spending increase for the NHS promising to boost frontline spending by at least 20% – rising by £2.5 billion by the end of the next Holyrood term.


>We want to do more to support people to achieve a better balance and help businesses employ as many people as possible. As part of that, we will establish a £10 million fund to support willing companies to explore and pilot the benefits of a four day working week.


BRB, lads. Moving to an independent Scotland that's part of the EU.
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>> No. 93944 Anonymous
14th June 2021
Monday 1:30 pm
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Right, employment is all that matters who cares if wage growth -inflation makes everyone except the wealthy need a government stipend to subsidize their income after their teensy savings get drained dry causing median value real estate to crash.

The worst possible monetary risk for labor is a post inflation deflation. Unions are going to wake up one day in the distant future acting like they're surprised their pants were stolen.
>> No. 94014 Anonymous
17th June 2021
Thursday 8:29 am
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Porridgewogs can get an interest free loan of up to £28,000 over six years to buy an electric car. The jammy bastards.

>> No. 94115 Anonymous
18th June 2021
Friday 3:55 pm
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Absolute state of 'the Tartan Army' in London today.

Rebuild Hadrian's Wall and keep their wee ginger tadgers on the right side of the border.
>> No. 94119 Anonymous
18th June 2021
Friday 4:09 pm
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I'll have you know my ginger tadger is perfectly average, thank you very much.
>> No. 94120 Anonymous
18th June 2021
Friday 4:41 pm
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Fully in agreement as long as the wall runs south of my house too.

>> No. 93958 Anonymous
16th June 2021
Wednesday 4:44 am
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>Tommy Robinson has been accused of misusing supporters’ money, as he declares himself bankrupt despite receiving hundreds of thousands of pounds in donations and funding, The Independent can reveal.

>The Independent has seen financial documents indicating the huge scale of funding given to Robinson since announcing “going independent” in 2018. In little over two months, he received almost £425,000 in donations from his supporters, documents suggest. He is also believed to have raised a significantly larger amount after being jailed for contempt of court in May 2018, though an American group called Middle East Forum said it had funded his defence.


>“Tommy is a liar. The way he treated me, a lot of it, was just a front. It was an act to grow and make a lot of money. I thought he cared about saving Britain, saving young girls from being raped in Rotherham, but it was about making money."


Do you believe most people in the public domain actually believe what they say or knowing spout bollocks and mislead people because it's very lucrative for them? It seems to happen right across the political spectrum.
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>> No. 94121 Anonymous
18th June 2021
Friday 4:47 pm
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Fair enough. How come you think it's a trolling tactic then? I've only been here a few months, I thought the board seemed full of irreverent lefties who have a specific sense of humour.
>> No. 94122 Anonymous
18th June 2021
Friday 6:28 pm
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Because sometimes their leftiness angers me, so I assume it must be trolling. Surely people can't be that lefty.
>> No. 94123 Anonymous
18th June 2021
Friday 6:32 pm
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Would you say you've been triggered?
>> No. 94124 Anonymous
18th June 2021
Friday 7:29 pm
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There's no truth here, only fact.
>> No. 94126 Anonymous
18th June 2021
Friday 9:34 pm
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Yes. I almost posted on /emo about it.

>> No. 93913 Anonymous
7th June 2021
Monday 10:45 pm
93913 Where Do We Get A Hold Of This Impatient "EU" person?
This guy "EU" is getting impatient that his/her will is not being accepted as absolute authority. How can we open this anon "EU's" eyes to show him we are doing our best to meet him/her somewhere to figure out this Brexit but this person is nowhere to be found. Did I miss when the EU claimed Ireland as its' personal property?
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>> No. 93918 Anonymous
7th June 2021
Monday 11:43 pm
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>How can we open this anon "EU's" eyes to show him we are doing our best to meet him/her somewhere to figure out this Brexit
First, we could maybe actually try and do our best to meet them somewhere instead of stamping indignantly like a petulant child as we've been doing for most of the past five years.
>> No. 93930 Anonymous
8th June 2021
Tuesday 9:15 am
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There's that "Royal We" again.
>> No. 93943 Anonymous
14th June 2021
Monday 1:19 pm
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Classic english
>> No. 93946 Anonymous
14th June 2021
Monday 1:33 pm
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Please stay in the /zoo/.
>> No. 93947 Anonymous
14th June 2021
Monday 1:35 pm
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I can't escape the safari zone

>> No. 93221 Anonymous
26th April 2021
Monday 11:41 am
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I just want to preface this by saying I don't think I'm advocating for communism.

My garden is approximately six metres by seven metres. I own a lawnmower. My neighbours have gardens that are the same dimensions and they also own lawnmowers. Would it not be better if we had a communal lawnmower that we shared? It would save on money, collectively we could probably have a nicer mower than we'd have separately even if we chipped in less than we would to own one outright, save on storage and probably be better for the environment.

I know it wouldn't be without its issues, particularly when it comes to the likes of maintenance and responsibility, but it feels like we've gone too far the other way on individualism and lost an awful lot of community spirit.
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>> No. 93257 Anonymous
26th April 2021
Monday 9:19 pm
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and has exactly one tree in the middle.
just get sheep*

*caveats. So many caveats. And, in case our resident deviant is reading, don't fuck them. They don't like it. And it's quite illegal.
>> No. 93258 Anonymous
26th April 2021
Monday 9:20 pm
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>They don't like it.

They might do if you take them out for dinner first and compliment them on their fleece. I can't imagine many beastophiles engage in foreplay and instead ram their knob straight up that poor sheep's unsuspecting clopper.
>> No. 93260 Anonymous
27th April 2021
Tuesday 3:28 pm
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Flash sale on robomowers. I'm starting to suspect Big Mower is behind all of this.

>> No. 93756 Anonymous
23rd May 2021
Sunday 6:53 am
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Correct, why they will do anything to increase consumption boggles the mind. It creates lower wages, more pollution.
>> No. 93945 Anonymous
14th June 2021
Monday 1:33 pm
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The only thing better than communism is socialism. Instead of sharing a lawnmower you could have a community vote of who the community likes the least. Then this person could be made the slave laborer and could mow everyone's lawn for free until they die of starvation. Then after that the community has the next vote for lawnmower.

>> No. 90725 Anonymous
6th October 2020
Tuesday 5:49 pm
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>Mr Johnson also channeled the spirit of Thatcher's 1980s revolution by pledging to save the dream of home ownership for a new generation, with the government underwriting 95 per cent mortgages for around two million first-time buyers.

>The government has yet to give details, but it seems some of the 'stress test' rules imposed on banks after the 2008 financial crisis could be relaxed to facilitate long-term fixed rate mortgages at 95 per cent of a property's value. The government could instead accept some of the risk through a guarantee scheme - although this would leave the taxpayer on the hook for potentially huge sums.

https://www.If I post a link to this website again I will be banned..co.uk/news/article-8810043/Boris-Johnson-sets-vision-post-Covid-Britain.html

Let's overheat the housing market further by softening the measures brought in as a result of the financial crisis. What could possibly go wrong?
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>> No. 93904 Anonymous
7th June 2021
Monday 2:03 am
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In terms of economics, I have absolutely observed that if the economy is doing well, that doesn't really mean anything to me because if I get 10% richer and so does everyone else, then I am not any richer at all in real terms. If a rising tide lifts all boats by the exact same amount, there's very little reason for someone who's unhappy now to look forward to that.

Margaret Thatcher said that it's not about equality, it's about equality of opportunity. If she meant the same as I mean above, that getting richer is only good if you're getting richer than everyone around you, then Margaret Thatcher was right about that. It feels weird to say, but Margaret Thatcher was right. Shame about all the stuff she was wrong about.
>> No. 93905 Anonymous
7th June 2021
Monday 2:27 am
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If the man lives in Shenzhen then he's already richer than her and will likely continue to get richer. Albeit his quality of life will suffer from a lack of 'live, laugh, love' ornaments.

This reminds me of the problem the extremely wealthy suffer in that they underestimate their own status because the people they hang around with are now also rich. If one is to enjoy one's success therefore you must hang around car boot sales rather than the auction houses. Or just not care, a plate of turkey dinosaurs is going to make you smile no matter your bank balance - unless like me you invested your life savings in a certain island theme park.

Anyway, I think the thing is really about hope in the future and while you can get sociopathic about it you're obviously less happy knowing that things are stagnating and you'll never get that 10%. Especially if that 10% has a genuine impact rather meaning slightly more tat from Amazon.
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7th June 2021
Monday 2:44 am
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>if the economy is doing well, that doesn't really mean anything to me because if I get 10% richer and so does everyone else, then I am not any richer at all in real terms

Only for zero-sum markets like houses in desirable areas. In every other respect, getting richer just means getting richer. Western economies have seen relatively little economic growth since 2008 and countries with very low productivity (like the UK) have seen severe wage stagnation, but we experienced phenomenal growth for most of the 20th century and with it saw vast improvements in our living standards.


I'm not sure what we can do about it though. Nearly all western countries have seen slowing economic growth, in large part because of economies like China catching up with us. Tax-and-spend can reduce inequality on a domestic level, but it can't restore our historical status as an imperial power with hugely advanced technology. British people certainly don't want to work as hard as the Chinese and I don't think they're innately cleverer, so how will we improve the productivity of our labour force to make ourselves more competitive and drive economic growth?

Unless and until there's another technological change as transformative as the industrial revolution, I think we just have to get used to the idea of relatively low growth and living within our means.
>> No. 93907 Anonymous
7th June 2021
Monday 5:45 am
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I think that just means you, like a lot of people, are kind of a narcissist honestly. That may not be exactly the right word but I can't think of a better one. I have often noticed it's true that people will just as readily and happily see other people have their situation made worse, as their own situation improved, because the outcome is the same- You are better off than them, and that's what really matters.

In the most primitive monkey brain way, people just care about being higher up the pile than other people, and will push down every bit as much as they try to raise themselves.

It's one of the parts of human nature we absolutely should try to overcome but obviously nobody is interested in doing so, it's all about being able to flash a bigger car than our neighbours to give ourselves the big social status penis. Or, as the case may be, voting to uphold policies and governments that ensure the housing market remains exclusive and difficult to enter, because it means they keep their status over the rentier class.
>> No. 93942 Anonymous
14th June 2021
Monday 10:42 am
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I've been getting at least a couple of flyers a week from estate agents asking if I want to sell my house for several months now. I bet they're really worried they'll run out of properties to sell.

>> No. 86042 Anonymous
1st June 2019
Saturday 2:36 pm
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This woman is going to be the next Chancellor of Germany and it's going to be fucking awesome.
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>> No. 93242 Anonymous
26th April 2021
Monday 3:24 pm
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Isn't there a massive problem in the States where low-rise apartment buildings are made out of wooden frames with cladding, that burn down constantly, only to be rebuilt more or less exactly the same?

We had one big fire in a block of flats and it became a national tragedy, but it happens constantly in the States and it's more or less jut a fact of life.
>> No. 93246 Anonymous
26th April 2021
Monday 4:18 pm
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>>93241 insects can be bastards - at least we don't have termites here, but this was holding up my barn. Looked like a perfectly sound sleeper, but had been completely hollowed out by ants in a mere sixty years. If climate change means the UK gets termites, I'd worry about wooden buildings given our lack of building inspections.
>> No. 93254 Anonymous
26th April 2021
Monday 7:48 pm
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Wooden houses in the States are very often built to absolutely awful standards. Americans really don't value longevity as much as we do, and it's much more common that houses get torn down again just 40 or 50 years after they were built to make room for new developments. So there's often no point using materials that will last beyond that, especially if you're a land developer who is knocking up entire streets worth of new units for-profit.

The upside is that, at least until the recent new spike in house prices, you could buy full-size, four-bedroom suburban family homes made out of low-end timber and plasterboard for $200K. But again, you couldn't expect quality for that price.
>> No. 93259 Anonymous
27th April 2021
Tuesday 12:00 pm
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Run-down of candidates for Chancellor in September.

Mr. Laschet could face a similar fate as Gordon Brown. They definitely missed an opportunity by not letting him take over during Merkel's final term.

On the other hand, Green Party candidates in Germany seem to have a history of being the political equivalent to vaporware when Germans then actually go and cast their vote. I guess it's that whole thing about a lot of people agreeing that a lot needs to be done to save the environment, but they then can't bring themselves to vote Green because they don't like the idea of higher taxes and petrol prices that directly affect them. Apathetic bloody planet. I've no sympathy at all.

Could end up being a very interesting election though. I was in Germany visiting a friend once while there was some state election going on that weekend, and it was a complete cliffhanger till after midnight, and ended up producing a lowest-common-denominator coalition between very unlikely partners. If you think the 2010 hung parliament in Britain was a cliffhanger, then the knife edge of German elections can be ten times thinner. It's not unheard of that three parties from diametrically opposing ends of the spectrum have to go together and still only have a razor-thin majority.
>> No. 93941 Anonymous
13th June 2021
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>The latest poll showed the Greens have dropped 6 points in the polls to 20% and the CDU has risen 5 points to 28%, prompting speculation over whether the Greens will manage to regain their momentum.

>The poll results have also led to calls for Baerbock’s co-leader, Robert Habeck, to take the candidacy from her, although the idea was rejected at the weekend. Their joint leadership was also reconfirmed in a vote on Saturday.

It's not in the bag for them yet.

>> No. 93497 Anonymous
9th May 2021
Sunday 12:06 am
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>Scottish election 2021: Nicola Sturgeon celebrates 'historic' SNP election win
>Nicola Sturgeon has hailed the SNP's "historic and extraordinary" fourth consecutive victory in the Scottish Parliament election. With all the results in, the SNP has finished on 64 seats - one short of a majority but one more than it won in 2016.
>With all seats now declared the SNP has won 64, the Conservatives 31, Labour 22, the Scottish Greens eight and Liberal Democrats four.

Who here is excited to have another referendum and bitter multi-year divorce process on the cards?
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>> No. 93692 Anonymous
18th May 2021
Tuesday 1:59 am
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>Most of the money went into large companies suffering financial difficulties in an attempt to save jobs, rather than going into new companies that might create new jobs.
I will go to my grave quite angry that I can't remember the source of a wonderful quote to the extent of "The National Enterprise Board was imagined as a socialist maternity unit, unfortunately it was quickly turned into a capitalist nursing ward" which perfectly summed up how it was messed up: If I remember correctly the vast bulk of their budget went to British Leyland.
Which makes me wonder if the NEB can really be given the blame, except perhaps for failing at what it set out to do by blowing all its money on boring not-all-that-high-tech companies. If you instead imagine that the government just bailed out Rolls Royce and British Leyland as before while leaving the tech sector to the free market without any interference from the NEB or MinTech or any of that, is it really likely Britain would be in a much more impressive place today?
Japan and the US both had much larger domestic markets than Britain, and even then a British company created the ARM architecture that powers most smartphones nowadays, though we don't seem to make much a fuss about that.

But I'm thinking aloud there instead than making a direct argument in defense of the NEB - I'm not familiar with the specifics of its involvement in technology, and while I know that ARM is ultimately derived from Acorn of BBC Micro fame (leaving open some kind of "We coddled them, now they're soft" case for why they seem quite overlooked.) I can't say I'm familiar enough with their corporate history to comment either. It's just that it seems quite possible that the big problem with the NEB (as with the Wilson-Callaghan government as a whole in my view) is not that it was "too left wing" or too willing to interfere in the market, but that it was too orthodox, too small-c conservative, too "common sense", and that we'd have gotten better results if it had been throwing money around more freely, with less conditions and oversight while leaving failing old names to fend for themselves. Something that would sit ill at ease with both Callaghan (who couldn't bare to be so irresponsible) and with Thatcher (who'd quite like the state to get the hell out of the way of the market, thank you very much.), and which would still be a controversial proposal today.
>> No. 93693 Anonymous
18th May 2021
Tuesday 2:55 am
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I don't particularly disagree with your line of reasoning. What the Yanks did was barely rational, certainly very difficult to justify in narrow economic terms, but it ultimately worked miraculously well.

A Conservative government would probably have bollocksed it up in a slightly different fashion, but the Wilson government still deserves plenty of scorn for their awful industrial policy. It's all counterfactual speculation, but the problems with the tech sector weren't just neglect - the NEB (and the wider government) exerted a huge amount of control and steered a lot of companies down blind alleys. While I can't say that we would have been a tech superpower, we certainly squandered what advantages we had.

ARM is a perfectly British success story - their technology was incredibly innovative, it became ubiquitous but ARM never actually made much money. IIRC they had an operating income of ~£150m before Softbank bought them, which is basically pocket change in tech terms.

I'm told we're a global leader in biotech, but I don't know enough about the industry to speculate about the reasons or even say if that's an accurate assessment.
>> No. 93697 Anonymous
18th May 2021
Tuesday 5:28 am
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Do you think innovation isn't real or something?
>> No. 93698 Anonymous
18th May 2021
Tuesday 5:31 am
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Massive inequality feeds into this surely. The rich Americans today throw money at anything, Google, Amazon, Microsoft, they will spooge cash at anybody. Its not simply state driven.
>> No. 93764 Anonymous
23rd May 2021
Sunday 11:04 am
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See >>93686

>> No. 51753 Anonymous
11th November 2013
Monday 11:24 pm
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Switzerland will hold a vote on whether to introduce a basic income for all adults, in a further sign of growing public activism over pay inequality since the financial crisis. A grassroots committee is calling for all adults in Switzerland to receive an unconditional income of 2,500 Swiss francs ($2,800) per month from the state, with the aim of providing a financial safety net for the population.

Under Swiss law, citizens can organize popular initiatives that allow the channeling of public anger into direct political action. The country usually holds several referenda a year. In March, Swiss voters backed some of the world's strictest controls on executive pay, forcing public companies to give shareholders a binding vote on compensation. A separate proposal to limit monthly executive pay to no more than what the company's lowest-paid staff earn in a year, the so-called 1:12 initiative, faces a popular vote on November 24.



I'm not entirely sure what to make of these. I reckong that if they tried the 1:12 thing over here then the lowest paid members of staff in some large organisations would end up being made redundant and replaced with contractors.
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>> No. 93681 Anonymous
16th May 2021
Sunday 6:19 pm
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Our economy needs a balanced and steady rate of inflation, not least to encourage investment and adjust to productivity gains. Mess with that balance either way and bad things will happen that can quickly turn into freefall as public confidence in the pound evaporates.

It's illustrative that one of the few examples of a deliberate price inflation of essentials was shock therapy in the Soviet Union to ensure the country avoided starvation.

>Is it even really relevant if it causes inflation?

If the government gives me £9 and a loaf of bread now costs £10 then I've not gained under UBI. That's a simplified example but it's what the argument is getting at.
>> No. 93682 Anonymous
16th May 2021
Sunday 6:30 pm
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Because of their scarcity - the weather also plays a big part in the variability of food prices.
>> No. 93683 Anonymous
17th May 2021
Monday 8:20 pm
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The great economist Abba Lerner actually put forward a similar idea to this, in response to the stagflation of the 70s.

>> No. 93684 Anonymous
17th May 2021
Monday 10:52 pm
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Surely if wage stagnation would arrest inflation then the past 10 years would've proved it, if not been part of a long-trend of multi-decadal deflation. Unless it's all been counteracted by the government giving free money to people with connections and property 'investors'. Oh dear I've made myself angry.
>> No. 93685 Anonymous
17th May 2021
Monday 11:31 pm
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Theoretically, maybe, but it presents a huge co-ordination problem. One of the key catalysts of the Winter of Discontent was the imposition of pay increase controls in an attempt to limit inflation.


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