>>95291
>this majority was achieved at least partly thanks to BoJo's Corbynite policies.

Did he actually have any Corbynite policies or was it just slogans like "levelling up"?

>>95289
Surely the present shows, if nothing else, that we do not live in reality.
We're seriously expected to believe that the population will accept 150,000-175,000 deaths but not a party. That they'll turn on the Tories for "not delivering" for the north, despite the fact the Tories won 2010, 2015 and 2017 without the north and Labour has been losing elections with the North back since the 1950s. That they won't tolerate obvious cronyism and corruption despite the Tory party being nothing but that. (oh oh, but it's not that all these things individually, it's their collective impact.)

I'd say this is more plausible: Press coverage (mostly reflecting a consensus among the 'political class' rather than a 'conspiracy') accepted shoving Johnson into No. 10 despite all his flaws because they fucking hated Corbyn and they were bored of the tedious games of hung parliaments. Now that Corbyn's fucked off to irrelevancy they're no longer united by loathing him, so they've started to turn on Johnson. On the balance of forces, this is mostly because they want a Tory government without Johnson rather than because Starmer is 'cutting through'. Labour will go down to another defeat at the next election, but everyone will claim victory because they'll gain maybe 20 seats.

>>95292
The one I was thinking of was the nationalisation of Northern Rail, but I don't actually know if that was in the manifesto or if they only did it once they'd won and never actually wanted to deliver such a fantastic act of justice.

>>95293

>We're seriously expected to believe that the population will accept 150,000-175,000 deaths but not a party.

Will you change the bloody record already, you dense fucking cunt. I'm almost as sick of hearing you make this retarded false equivalence as I am hearing about the parties.

>>95295
Don't piss yourself, mate.

>>95178

The Tory party is a loose coalition of people with very different ideological positions. There are certainly small-state libertarians, but there are also nationalists, populists and reactionaries. The party is and always has been irreconcilably divided on a multitude of issues; the main thing they have in common is a willingness to work together.

Covid hasn't caused the party to explode. The drawing to a close of Brexit did bring up a lot of internal divisions, but the party is remarkably resilient to that sort of thing. The leadership has collapsed, but that's a very different matter. CCHQ is still in fighting form and they've got half a dozen leadership candidates who could win an election. It doesn't matter which of those people become leader; the party will give them their full support (at least in public) and build a campaign around them.

>>95222
There's something about women's voices in general, I think. I remember having a 1980s voice simulator on the Commodore 64, and the instruction manual explained that the robotic voice was female because women's voices are easier to understand than men's voices. And indeed, all the voices on trains and things are nearly always women. So perhaps it's to do with that. However, I know a soft-spoken Southern lady with a genuinely retarded voice, like she properly goes "duhhhh" when she speaks, and I don't mind her voice because it doesn't really have an accent. Meanwhile, that BBC voiceover woman from Blackburn is fucking awful. Her accent is so deliberate, so forced, so obviously chosen by committee to sound "ordinary" and, most offensively of all, "just like you, you ignorant peasant". I could actually go to Blackburn and never once hear an accent as strong as hers. I hate her.

So it's probably the Northern thing rather than sounding like a moron. But then, I think a few of the posters here type like dickheads with your "cop wor lass's tits, aye" bollocks. Again, if you don't know anyone who talks like that in real life, it sounds so fake.

>>95228
Come to think of it, since I posted this, I have also remembered that I hate Danny Dyer and anyone with too much of a Bristol accent too. So I guess people (=me, the ambassador of all humanity) hate Angela Rayner because she has a strong accent, rather than anything beyond that.

>>95222

My only objection to this is that they have a pretty valid point and then they have to spoil it by going all "Ehhhr but the poooor woeeemmeeenn :( :( :("

Let's say I had a telephone interview, prior to a full interview, with some fancy City of London family company. Do you reckon I'd improve my chances if I covered up my thick Sarf Leeds chav drawl and pretended to be posh? Yes, the answer is definitely and unequivocally yes.

>>95237>>95232
Accent bias is absolutely a thing. Isn't it Brummies who are perceived to be the least intelligent in the UK according to accent bias? Least trustworthy at least.

https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/midlands-news/brummie-accent-ranked-least-trustworthy-19204313

>>95222
She's thoroughly up her own arse if she thinks this specific thing is about gender. It's mindboggling that one could even isolate it to that considering how massively obvious it is that 'working class' accents exist and 'northern' accents are looked down on, while RP accents are seen as a mark of quality and intelligence.

It must either be clickbait or complete self absorption.

>So it's probably the Northern thing rather than sounding like a moron. But then, I think a few of the posters here type like dickheads with your "cop wor lass's tits, aye" bollocks. Again, if you don't know anyone who talks like that in real life, it sounds so fake.
I remember the first time I heard a geordie say 'pal', and when I sounded it out it felt so wrong. A few years of living in the area and it's now completely natural and feels normal for me to say.

And you're going to find people hamming it up here, especially now they know you find it annoying.

>>95204

>Trotsky went around insisting the USSR was capitalist. Granted, Stalin evidentially didn't like that one bit.

As far as I can tell, nobody really liked Are Leon all that much. Not sure what the beef was mind you, because I'm not enough of a nerd to have read up on him yet.

>Lenin also argued positively for state capitalism in the earlier part of the USSR's existence.

I think Lenin was more towards that OG Marxist type of sentiment that communism has to come about as the inevitable end-point transformation of capitalism itself, or else it will fail. I tend to agree with that. The trouble with most communist countries throughout history is that they forced it in too soon, when those countries were barely industrialised before it.

>>95206
Stalin believed in "socialism in one country": if you can achieve glorious communism in your own country, all the other countries will follow suit when they see how good it is, so you don't need to go interfering in their business until then.

Trotsky preferred "permanent revolution": seize every opportunity to bring every country closer to communism, so that they eventually all become communist around the same time.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialism_in_one_country
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Permanent_revolution

So yes, Trotsky sounds like he had the potential to have been even more of a madman than Stalin was, crazy though that seems.

>>95201

>it pivoted to state capitalism
>an extremely authoritarian capitalist state.
>China isn't communist. It is ex-communist.

State capitalism isn't a real thing though, it's a distraction. Capitalism is private ownership, communism is public ownership. State capitalism means the state (the public) in control of the capital. Essentially, when communism becomes authoritarian, call it 'state capitalism' so it doesn't look bad. As we did with that German politician from the 30s and 40s.

>>95196

The randy Scandi socialism thing is a bit of a myth, in part they're currently more free market than the USA. They did have a very socialist period in the 70s or 80s.

Some of these things are cultural and the overlap is weird. Sweden's response to COVID is more like that of a red-state, but people in Sweden are more compliant and trusting of their government as they're more collective culturally.

Somewhat ironic that this article was posted on the same week that a consortium of doctors and academics decided to try to take down Joe Rogan.

>>95208

>No no no, you see, words mean what they mean when I like what they mean, if nit then they don't.

Ah, well then that settles the issue.

>>95163
It seems like a bit of a leap going from "parents should spend more time with their children and try to instill the importance of education into them" to "parents need to be showered with money so they can give their children the same sort of upbringing a wealthy child gets". There's an awful lot of middle ground and you seem more motivated by tackling the class war than laying the foundations needed to support feckless parents.

I'm not convinced that if you gave parents more money a lot of them would utilise it to spend more money with their kids. Not everyone has the work ethic of Lewis Hamilton's dad.

>>95164

I'm sorry your parents spent so little time with you.

Remember that back when your dad worked and your mum didn't, she spent her time at home looking after you. Even if she wasn't teaching you differentiation and the capitals of Ceylon and Rhodesia and Siam, she was still giving you pro tips on how to be a big boy. Nowadays, there are plenty of households where both parents work, and not all of those households pay someone else to look after their kids while they're out. And that's before you even get to the massive increase in divorce, where plenty of kids only have one parent to start with. I know a family like that, and the mother doesn't usually work and just takes benefits so she can spend time raising her kids properly, and I applaud this. But the government don't; they call her a parasite and desperately want this to end. So parenting really is on the back-burner these days compared to how it used to be, and it's been that way for decades and many of the lesser-parented children now have kids of their own.

By the way, there is no such thing as intelligence anyway. You can't test for it in a way that isn't bollocks, and it has no real-world evidence that can't be explained by other factors. So it really does all come down to parenting.

>>95160

This doesn't help join many dots if we don't also have research into how well intelligence correlates with life outcomes.

I know the resident Sun readers won't agree with me in principle, but I feel like it has a lot less to do with it than we'd all like to believe. I know plenty of highly intelligent lads who are all but complete social drop-outs. If there's one thing I have noticed (antirely anecdotally, you understand) that really does corellate with good life outcomes, it's what "crowd" you were in in school. People who fit in with the "popular kid" clique generally have better outcomes regardless if they "deserve" it, I know complete thickos from school who are now complete thickos as adults managing teams at large firms and making loadsadosh.

Most of the people who were bullied or one of the downtrodden outcast kids in some way have exceedingly poor outcomes from what I've seen. Doesn't matter how clever they are, if they don't fit in they never learn the social skills that are just as, if not more important, for obtaining a decent career, partner, etc.

We spend all this time focussing on intelligence but we're overlooking the elephant in the room which is that society generally favours personality, and meritocracy is all but a myth. Hands up if you've got a complete dickhead boss at work who doesn't know his arsehole from his elbow, but brown nosed and schmoozed his way up the ladder? Yeah, I thought so.

>>95167
>This doesn't help join many dots if we don't also have research into how well intelligence correlates with life outcomes.

Luck / fortune / being in the right place, at the right time, plays a far bigger part than most people want to admit. I recommend a book called Fooled By Randomness, but Naseem Nicholas Taleb, which is very focused on this.

>>95101

I know what you're saying. There's a reason they called Milliband the "Millibot"- Their lot just seem completely disconnected from society, like they were grown in vats and learned about human culture through a machine-learning scan of current Twitter trends.

People like to make fun of the "would you have a pint with X politician" metric, but that does really cut to the base of the issue. You can just tell that these people get nervous and sweaty at the mere idea of entering a normal pub full of normal people, because they don't fit in. It's not where they're from. They're fish out of water, so how can they possibly represent Average Daz the Tradesman? He might as well be from Neptune.

The lefty lot aren't much better, sadly, but I think you can at least sense they're a bit more in touch with reality. If they had someone to keep them in check and stop them going off on one about obscure overseas human rights violations every ten minutes I do think they would be able to put up a more convincing front.

>>95106

I think what you're describing is the result of being under very close and constant scrutiny for your character. We're constantly diverted from policy by media seeking to characterise politicians based on their appearance and mannerisms. It would make sense that a) this would make most human beings seem very unnatural and self-conscious and b) the public has become used to being extremely cruel about inconsequential shite.

I think the current government have done hideously unethical things, but I don't get anything out of making fun of Boris Johnson's weight or hair or whatever.

The cynic in me thinks that the decision to award Tonty Blair a knighthood was a distraction, judging by the inevitable uproar that has occurred.

>>94961
Sunak got the job because he was a nobody junior minister in the Treasury so it automatically fell to him and everyone assumed he would be gracefully shuffled out after a few months given the responsibility. Then Covid hit.

I suppose you could call a luck a political talent.

>>95106
>You can just tell that these people get nervous and sweaty at the mere idea of entering a normal pub full of normal people, because they don't fit in.

I'd vote for a socially awkward politician who might be a bit on the spectrum. Someone who brings leaders from around the world to an international event and thinks it's a good idea to run a D&D-style tabletop campaign with them. Someone who doesn't have any SpADS because that would involve talking to people and instead of copping off with one gets molested in a supply cupboard by a frumpy nurse with loose morals.

>>95127

I have a feeling your description was more autobiographical than you intended.

>>86735

It all reaks to me of someone trying to make a quick buck by selling out to the papers. They probably could have networked their way into something quite lucrative if they had keeped their mouth shut. Instead they've probably got themselves blacked balled from the biggest opportunity of their life and any others where discretion is expected, but they are probably too stupid to realise it.

>>86736
Reeks, not reaks. Wreak is a word but not the same one.

Ex-Tory minister Andrew Griffiths found to have raped wife

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-stoke-staffordshire-59611761

>>95020
>Judge Williscroft made a number of findings of fact - on the balance of probability - about the way Mr Griffiths had treated Ms Griffiths. The judge said Ms Griffiths had "proved in her oral evidence to me" that Mr Griffiths "did rape her when sexual intercourse took place".
>Mr Griffiths said no assault had taken place but Judge Williscroft said she "preferred" Ms Griffiths's account.

I feel odd defending him as he's obviously a wrong'un but, you fucking what. So a family law judge can just label you a rapist on a he-said she-said with no criminal trial involved and then it can be plastered in all the bloody newspapers despite that being as good as guilty in everyone eyes.

Surely something is amiss with this.

>>95021
Why would a woman who has been publicly humiliated by her ex-husband's indiscretions lie to a family court during a hearing to do with the custody of their children?

>>95013
It's Germany, "awesome" is outside their emotional range.

>>95014

Scholz is from Hamburg, which makes him a German Northerner. They tend to keep to themselves more, and aren't known for emotional outbursts. Bavarians and Swabians down in the south are much more lively folk, by contrast.

>>95017
Merkel was also a Northerner. Mecklenburg state, IIRC.

I've heard some funny stories about Swabians. The "sausage incident" at a Mercedes shareholder event was possibly the most Swabian thing to happen outside the area.

>>95018

Merkel was also born in Hamburg, interestingly enough. Her father was a Protestant pastor who then emigrated to East Germany with the whole family in the 1950s. Which was a bit of an odd thing to do. Only a handful of West German citizens every year chose to move to communist East Germany. For obvious reasons.

>>95008
It's the will of the people.

>>95007
As the world's most naive man, I'm unreasonably confident that if people actually stopped and thought about the capital punishment, we could swing this.

Now, if you'll excuse me, I have a meeting with a solicitor regarding my purchase of London bridge.

>>95010
Considering how popular it is amongst Tory voters it's a surprise more of their MPs aren't explicitly in favour of it.

I bet if we started targeting the right backbenchers we could make some real traction with this.

>>95012
.gs is not your personal army, teenlad.

>>95012
One of our politest posters is a dog botherer furry, so no,I won't.

>>94942

I don't really know how else to read this, honestly.

It seems more likely here that she's actually just gay, and The Metro have shockingly got that wrong and labelled her as bi. The tweet makes a thousand times more sense if she's a full lezzer.

>>94943>>94943

That makes sense. And I really can't be bothered to dig any further into the six-year-old drama over the sexuality of some-woman-who-was-on-bake-off-once.
Why are we talking about this? Don't answer that.

>>94944
>Don't answer that.
Soz. We can talk about Labour again now.

She's been handed a suspended sentence and she's likely to appeal so she can't be recalled yet.

https://news.sky.com/story/claudia-webbe-mp-handed-suspended-sentence-after-threatening-partners-female-friend-with-acid-12458966

>>94947
They're redoing the vote on Owen Paterson, so maybe they'll try it for Claudia Webbe as well. Although I can fully see the Conservatives voting to keep her in, just for the bants.

>>94917

Yeah but you do sound like a right prick, in all honesty.

>>94921
Look where you are. That goes without saying.

Music gear was my primary concern with Brexit, and there was briefly a rough patch last year when everything went official. There was a dodgy transition for a few months where European retailers were just offloading VAT and customs payments to the customer, payable to the courier at the door.

But a year later, Thomann and DV still manage to undercut UK retailers by 10-20% in a lot of cases. Even on gear made in the UK, they are somehow selling it cheaper than UK shops, and their prices include VAT and customs. A Marshall head, which is made in the UK, costs £1299 at G4M or GAK, but is going for just a shade over £1000 from Ze Germans.

How are they doing this, even with all the supply chain nonsense going on right now? Are they just eating the VAT and customs charges while undercutting the competition just to keep the UK customers? Are the UK retailers relying on people not knowing about the tax/customs exemption in order to charge more? Or did it turn out the Brexit deal wasn't actually all that terrible now we've figured it all out? It seems they have a similar arrangement for Swiss customers too.

(And let's not even think about all the costs and energy wasted transporting these goods from Milton Keynes to Treppendorf then all the way back to Leicester or wherever.)

So yeah, I'm still waiting for Brexit to actually impact my life.

>>94923

Thomann's prices are low because they buy a shitload of the product and pass that wholesale saving onto the customer. It's just something you can't compete with unless you also have a comically large warehouse like they do. The supply chain is irrelevant if you ordered 50,000 amps six years ago and are halfway through selling them. They ARE the supply.

Speaking of Thomann, anytime anyone brings them up I feel compelled to mention how surprised I was that their own brand bass and guitar bags were/are so good. I bought a bass one nearly 20 years ago now and it's still going strong.

>Morrisons has backed down after customers complained about its labelling of a chicken meat product as containing "non-EU salt and pepper".

>The supermarket chain's salt-and-pepper chicken crown features the Union Flag on its label, which says that it is "made from British chicken". The label provoked an angry reaction on Twitter, including one accusation of stoking "anti-EU hatred".

>In response, the firm said the wording was "an error for which we apologise. We are changing the packaging immediately," A spokesman for Morrisons said: "It is adhering to packaging regulations rather than making any political point." The supermarket said it would change the packaging and de-emphasise the mention of non-EU salt and pepper, but said it would still have to be included somewhere on the wrapping because of packaging laws. Among the reactions from customers, some pointed out the irony of a soon-to-be US-owned supermarket displaying its British credentials.

>Last month, Morrisons shareholders approved a multi-billion pound takeover offer from US private equity group Clayton, Dubilier & Rice (CD&R). The move comes in the midst of a debate in the food retailing industry about firms' increasing tendency to use patriotic imagery on packaging, with trade publication The Grocer identifying it as part of a post-Brexit "culture war".

>However, those who support the trend see the "made in the UK" tag as a sign of quality rather than a political statement.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-59134190

We must now live in a true halcyon age if this is what people have to complain about.

>>83764
Jesus christ is that a vogon?

>>83765
It would appear to be a bump to a two-month old thread. Which, I suppose, is on par with the poetry.

It looks like this is the only thread you've ever had about allegations of MPs being kiddy-fiddlers. I guess that's fine, since all those allegations were proven to be absolutely, demonstrably false. BUT...

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-leicestershire-58932593

>Police investigations into allegations of child abuse against a former MP were marred by "a series of failings", a report has found.
>The Independent Inquiry into Child Sexual Abuse (IICSA) said Leicestershire Police officers "shut down" investigations into Lord Janner "without pursuing all inquiries".

>Professor Alexis Jay, chairman of the inquiry, said police and prosecutors "appeared reluctant to fully investigate" claims against Lord Janner despite "numerous serious allegations".

>"On multiple occasions police put too little emphasis on looking for supporting evidence and shut down investigations without pursuing all outstanding inquiries," she said.

>"This inquiry has brought up themes we are now extremely familiar with, such as deference to powerful individuals, the barriers to reporting faced by children and the need for institutions to have clear policies and procedures setting out how to respond to allegations of child sexual abuse."

So even though the feds did describe that barmy guy's claims as "credible" when he said MPs were all evil sex-cult paedos, they didn't actually try very hard at all to investigate the claims. Again, it must be tough to be an MP. Everyone thinks you're a Satanic pederast and child-molester, simply because you have a job which would hypothetically allow you to be one with impunity and absolutely get away with it if you hypothetically decided to do such a thing. I wonder if this news will lead to more allegations against MPs who are still alive, or if everyone has just decided none of these things could ever possibly have happened.

>>94881
Maybe we could start our own Satanic Panic/Qanon/Paedo Hysteria thing about the Tories.

>>94882
I'm not really one for encouraging crazy people but I certainly wouldn't shed a tear for at least half the Tory MPs if someone merked them.

>>94121
Because sometimes their leftiness angers me, so I assume it must be trolling. Surely people can't be that lefty.

>>94122

Would you say you've been triggered?

>>94122
There's no truth here, only fact.

>>94123
Yes. I almost posted on /emo about it.

>Tommy Robinson has been given a five-year stalking protection order after he shouted abuse outside the home of a journalist and threatened to repeatedly return to her address. The founder of the English Defence League, whose real name is Stephen Yaxley-Lennon, went to the property of the Independent’s home affairs correspondent Lizzie Dearden and her boyfriend, Samuel Partridge, in January of this year.

>The deputy chief magistrate Tan Ikram said Robinson’s behaviour “crossed the line between mere harassment and stalking” at a hearing on Wednesday. The court previously heard Robinson had hired a private investigator to find information out about Dearden after a request for comment she made, through his solicitors, on a story alleging that he misused money donated by his supporters. Ikram said that after obtaining Dearden’s address, Robinson had arrived around 10pm, calling for her to come to the door and shouting claims that Partridge was a paedophile.

>The magistrate “wholly rejected” that Robinson had attended the address to “exercise his right to reply” to the article, saying that he had been there to intimidate her and adding there was “not a shred of evidence” that the claims about Partridge were true. “The complainant refused to come out or engage with the defendant,” he said. The defendant reacted by saying that he would come back to her address ‘every night’. In my judgment, that crosses the line in this case between mere harassment and acts associated with stalking in that he threatened to repeatedly return to her home address. The defendant was arrested before he could carry out his threat. I find that the intention of the defendant turning up at a journalist’s house at past 10pm was clear: to intimidate her.”

>Ikram also rejected Robinson’s claim he had been “calm” throughout the incident, saying that it contradicted other undisputed witness accounts from neighbours.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/oct/13/tommy-robinson-gets-five-year-stalking-ban-after-harassing-journalist

This never would've happened if they hadn't scrapped the cones hotline.

Fair play to the Tory scum.

Three words: small dick energy.

Four more: utterly microscopic dick energy.

>>94831

Straight from rudgwicksteamshow.co.uk, I see.

>>94831
ayy n1m8 ids wont no wot him im

I enjoyed his door being graffitied, that was nice.