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>> No. 79331 Anonymous
31st October 2016
Monday 2:05 pm
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A handy guide to Left-wing people for the under 10s

https://life.spectator.co.uk/2016/10/a-handy-guide-to-left-wing-people-for-the-under-10s/
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>> No. 79370 Anonymous
31st October 2016
Monday 9:41 pm
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>>79367
Don't use words you don't understand.
>> No. 79371 Anonymous
31st October 2016
Monday 9:41 pm
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>>79368
... What?
>> No. 79376 Anonymous
31st October 2016
Monday 10:16 pm
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>>79366

>war tourist

He was shot in the neck while fighting fascists. I'm going to go out on a limb and say that was a better day's work than you've ever done for the socialist cause.
>> No. 79382 Anonymous
31st October 2016
Monday 10:52 pm
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>>79376

I'm more impressed by all the Republicans who avoided being shot, frankly. It's like a footballer bragging about conceding possession, all this well done for being shot business. But I'll let the lad you were querying directly speak for himself.
>> No. 79383 Anonymous
31st October 2016
Monday 10:59 pm
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>>79382

>I'm more impressed by all the Republicans who avoided being shot, frankly

Heh.
>> No. 79386 Anonymous
31st October 2016
Monday 11:07 pm
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>>79382

>But I'll let the lad you were querying directly speak for himself

Oh no Michael, please don't leave us now!
>> No. 79390 Anonymous
1st November 2016
Tuesday 12:44 am
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>>79376
I'm not sure what you think his being shot demonstrates. I accused him of being a war tourist, not bulletproof.
>> No. 79391 Anonymous
1st November 2016
Tuesday 2:07 am
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>Want to let my lack of amusement (I'm actually disappointed because it wasn't funny more than because of the message) take over and let this sort of pish let me say "Fine, have it your way." and vote Tory since I self-identify as lower-Middle class instead of working class and thus at first pass "should be fine"
>Remember that's what most "working class" people identify as nowadays
>Remember that I'm very much in a position to get fucked by the Tories, since I'm not a detached lefty at all (although I mentally detach what I want/need from "What's the right thing for society.") but someone who'd greatly personally benefit from left-wing policies, though my cynicism never realises that since it'd let my hopes be dashed by a Blair figure.
It's not fair. I wish I was rich so that I could join the Conservative party by stealth and use it as a means for fucking over the selfish but not particularly well off, laughing all the while as they vote for their own demise. That's MY aspiration. Tax credit cuts did in some ways give me as much perverse glee as fear. (I thought the welfare cuts would fall on someone else!) Alas, the Tories are cowards.

It is quite funny that some on the left pay lip service to "power to the people" nonsense, though. People (as a collective) are to be led, not followed. If you don't lead them, someone else will. If you have to lie to get them behind you so you'll get the power to do the right thing because they're all stupid arseholes, by god lie to them. (but don't get caught.)
>> No. 79392 Anonymous
1st November 2016
Tuesday 3:28 am
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>>79391
>It is quite funny that some on the left pay lip service to "power to the people" nonsense, though. People (as a collective) are to be led, not followed. If you don't lead them, someone else will. If you have to lie to get them behind you so you'll get the power to do the right thing because they're all stupid arseholes, by god lie to them. (but don't get caught.)
Gonna go out on a limb and say that if you're posting this to nobody in particular on an image board at 2am, you're a leader of precisely dick all, Il Principe.
>> No. 79393 Anonymous
1st November 2016
Tuesday 5:16 am
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>>79392
>you're a leader of precisely dick all, Il Principe.
Oh, of course. You don't have to be a leader to know that leadership is what is required. I'd be a terrible leader, don't have the personality for it. Evil advisor, perhaps.

It's largely just a factional snipe at the majority of the Labour party (The naive "power to the people, surely they'll vote for us!" Corbyn types and the "ah fuck it, let's not lead public opinion let's just follow it" Blair-derived types.) to prove that I really honestly am of the left, guv'nor.
>> No. 79394 Anonymous
1st November 2016
Tuesday 8:08 am
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>>79391
>use it as a means for fucking over the selfish but not particularly well off,

I'm not particularly well off, but I'm not a pauper in need of benefits to top up poor life choices, as my earnings for the year will be c. £32,000 depending on my bonus next month. I can't think of any reason to vote Labour. I'd never vote Tory, but at least under them I'm paying around £1,000 less in tax due to increases in the personal allowance. What do Labour offer me?
>> No. 79395 Anonymous
1st November 2016
Tuesday 8:19 am
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>>79390

A tourist isn't the sort of person who picks up a rifle and heads to the frontline and beyond, are they? Are you trying to be funny or are you actually that slow?
>> No. 79396 Anonymous
1st November 2016
Tuesday 10:54 am
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>>79395
Not him, but the conventional tourist who packs suncream and heads to Magaluf wouldn't pick up a rifle, no. Hence the specific term 'war tourist'. You dullard.
>> No. 79397 Anonymous
1st November 2016
Tuesday 11:57 am
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>>79396

Oh Micky, there's no need to keep making a fool out of yourself on our account. You've done quite enough.

You seem quite unaware what war tourism is, what foreign fighters in Spain did, what Orwell did in particular, and what the post chain you've fumbled into is about.
>> No. 79408 Anonymous
1st November 2016
Tuesday 5:51 pm
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>>79394

>I'm not particularly well off

Yes you are.

>poor life choices

Never heard that one before.

>offer me?

Are you intentionally trying to prove his point about selfishness?

I don't necessarily have a problem with people of your kind myself, but Christ, you're not exactly helping your case.
>> No. 79410 Anonymous
1st November 2016
Tuesday 7:02 pm
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>>79394
>c. £32,000
>not particularly well off
Go fuck yourself with a rake.
>> No. 79411 Anonymous
1st November 2016
Tuesday 8:10 pm
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What? It's not much more than the median average full-time salary (c. £27,500 for 14/15) so it fits on exactly with the statement of being not particularly well off but being far from a pauper. I'll take this as a tacit admission that Labour have fuck all to personally offer the "aspirational lower middle class" who are doing slightly better than average.
>> No. 79412 Anonymous
1st November 2016
Tuesday 8:16 pm
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>>79411
I don't know what you are on about with Labour or whatever. I just think that you are a lying, self-absorbed twat.
>> No. 79413 Anonymous
1st November 2016
Tuesday 8:18 pm
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>>79411

An additional five grand a year above the average sounds well off to me.
>> No. 79414 Anonymous
1st November 2016
Tuesday 8:25 pm
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>>79413
And not so much if you consider he probably works full-time, is male and closer to 30 than 20.
>> No. 79415 Anonymous
1st November 2016
Tuesday 8:27 pm
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>>79413
Not really, you've got to remember that the average person is rather thick and that many of them live in shitholes like the Midlands. After all, the average starting graduate salary according to the Association of Graduate Recruiters was £28,000 in 2015. It's hardly enough to be a member of the elite.
>> No. 79416 Anonymous
1st November 2016
Tuesday 8:28 pm
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>>79411


>I'll take this as a tacit admission that Labour have fuck all to personally offer the "aspirational lower middle class" who are doing slightly better than average

Other than attempts to avert the English Channel creeping its way to Oxford and WWIII, not much for you personally, no. (Because, after-all, who gives a shit if those feral children on the estates get a decent education or a hot meal anyway? Those cunts.)

Oh wait, there is of course the whole labour rights thing - having a government which will protect employees from unscrupulous employers... but I'm sure your boss is an A1 bloke and he'll always have your back.
>> No. 79417 Anonymous
1st November 2016
Tuesday 9:21 pm
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>>79415
This is what the nutter left will never get. Right now I'm taking home about 27k worth of cash and benefits, after tax. For the people on the nutter left, this is an absolute fortune and I'm a dirty Kulak who lives in a palace, when really I live with 3 strangers in a houseshare. They're completely out of touch with normal human beings.
>> No. 79418 Anonymous
1st November 2016
Tuesday 9:27 pm
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>>79416
>Oh wait, there is of course the whole labour rights thing - having a government which will protect employees from unscrupulous employers

Oh, come off it. Lad.

The same Labour that decided to open the door to Eastern Europe whilst Germany and other nations kept theirs shut? It's not as if a readily available supply of cheap labour was advantageous to employers by diluting union membership and lowering job security so they could get away with eroding working conditions.

The same Labour that introduced tax credits so employers knew they could get away with offering poverty wages and conditions safe in the knowledge that the State would subsidise them?

The same Labour that saw the Tories comprehensively outflank them on the minimum wage and increasing the personal allowance?

If you think Labour are the party of the workers then you need to take off your nostalgia goggles. Their sole claim to this is "we're not the Tories" and, as the SNP have shown in Scotland, this isn't enough anymore and they need to stop taking people's votes for granted.
>> No. 79419 Anonymous
1st November 2016
Tuesday 9:34 pm
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>>79418
Wow. It's almost as if some of the things you described actually happened. Almost.
>> No. 79420 Anonymous
1st November 2016
Tuesday 9:36 pm
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>>79417

>Right now I'm taking home about 27k worth of cash and benefits, after tax. For the people on the nutter left, this is an absolute fortune and I'm a dirty Kulak who lives in a palace

That tosh may work down in the pub mate, but you won't fool anyone here. This "nutter left" who rails against the 27kers doesn't exist anywhere outside the minds of quasi-Thatcherites. (In fact, I seem to remember the left - nutter or otherwise - taking issue with the top 1% of earners... there were one or two placards to that effect anyway.)

I'm sorry if this is hard to face, but when the masses begin revolting they won't be gathered outside your flat share demanding bread. They might not even remember you after ransacking Buckingham Palace and Kensington. And that's just something your ego will have to accommodate.
>> No. 79423 Anonymous
1st November 2016
Tuesday 10:02 pm
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>>79416

This.

Despite all the protestations that they aren't actually well off, these people have nevertheless bought into the idea that the line between "ruffian" and "valued member of society" falls well below their position in the social hierarchy. Completely unaware of their status as useful idiots; turkeys voting for Christmas.

So long as you have a mortgage to pay and a job to show up to for fear of losing your livelihood, you are part of the proletariat, and should show solidarity, even if you think those bloody povvos on the bennies are worse than shit on your shoe. The harsh truth is that when push comes to shove you're largely part of the same strata and the fact you like Radio 4 and Bake Off instead of Stella and Sterlings is of very little consequence.
>> No. 79424 Anonymous
1st November 2016
Tuesday 10:04 pm
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I don't care about income inequality.
>> No. 79425 Anonymous
1st November 2016
Tuesday 10:05 pm
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>>79424

Prick.
>> No. 79429 Anonymous
1st November 2016
Tuesday 10:22 pm
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>>79423
>So long as you have a mortgage to pay and a job to show up to for fear of losing your livelihood, you are part of the proletariat... The harsh truth is that when push comes to shove you're largely part of the same strata and the fact you like Radio 4 and Bake Off instead of Stella and Sterlings is of very little consequence.

Isn't that exactly what they've been saying, that they're not well off? I think you've more-or-less confirmed their point. However, you haven't addressed what Labour specifically offers these people to entice their votes. Nebulous "I'm voting Labour because my dad told me to" solidarity isn't a specific reason, you've got to appeal to aspirations and improving their lot rather than making out like they're scum for not showing "muh solidarity" (ironically, you're acting just like the people described in the OP).
>> No. 79431 Anonymous
1st November 2016
Tuesday 10:30 pm
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Someone change the channel, I think we've already seen this one.

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>> No. 79444 Anonymous
2nd November 2016
Wednesday 7:38 am
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>>79429
>However, you haven't addressed what Labour specifically offers these people to entice their votes.
"Vote Labour and win a microwave"

They could offer those people something useful, but those people are thick and bought the deficit reduction meme.

For all "appeal to their aspirations" is thrown about, the main thing the Conservatives do is appeal to fear. Oh, you've got a mortgage to pay? It'd be a shame if interest rates went up...
>> No. 79445 Anonymous
2nd November 2016
Wednesday 1:12 pm
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>>79444

> or all "appeal to their aspirations" is thrown about, the main thing the Conservatives do is appeal to fear. Oh, you've got a mortgage to pay? It'd be a shame if interest rates went up...

It is more than that, the average 'true left' (your corbinite rather than your blairite) politician consideres that they aren't doing a good job unless they threatern to fuck up the status quo and piss people off, that is the mark of a true man of the people.

Most people like the status quo, frequently the only thing conservatives need to do is to not pledge to give away bits of british territory to hard suffering foreign imperialists, or scrap the army, and suggest that all white people are secret racists and all men are secretly sexist and should feel guilty about it to convince people that they are a better choice the left. Fear mongering is frequently about just not being as bad as the altenative.

The reason ARE Tony was so sucessful is that the middle ground and moderate tory didn't believe he was going to do something really stupid just to prove a point of how left wing and progressive he was.
>> No. 79446 Anonymous
2nd November 2016
Wednesday 1:13 pm
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>>79429

I don't think you understood much about that post.

Having said that think it should be clear to most people that self described "middle class" sorts are the very worst humanity has to offer.
>> No. 79447 Anonymous
2nd November 2016
Wednesday 3:01 pm
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>>79445
>Most people like the status quo
Ah yes. That's why they voted to leave the EU, and that's why such a song and dance was made about "Better, faster, safer change" in Scotland, because people love the status quo.
>give away bits of british territory to hard suffering foreign imperialists, or scrap the army, and suggest that all white people are secret racists and all men are secretly sexist and should feel guilty about it to convince people that they are a better choice the left
Ed Miliband did none of this and lost. Your hyperbolic examples are meaningless in light of this. (Ah, but he was too left wing. He... err... oohher... Well, he's nicknamed Red Ed, I mean come on!)

The reason Tony Blair was successful was entirely image. Image image image. You aren't wrong to say people believed he wouldn't fuck things up, but people were wrong to believe that. (Hey-ho, who let in all those immigrants again?)

I've once read that Harold Wilson was of the viewpoint that the largest mass of people don't actually pay attention to politics in detail and could be won-over by a good PR campaign with a good leader. If that was genuinely his viewpoint, it's no wonder that he's still the Labour leader who won the most elections. (But he did crazy lefty things, like ending the death penalty and allowing abortion, the virtue signalling bugger.)

On a more general note, It has just occurred to me that perhaps Labour only wins properly when:
a) some jiggery-pokery occurs during a crisis. (1924, 1929, 1974a [which they lost the popular vote but won anyway])
b) they capture a sense of modernity and hope sufficient for natural Tories to let them in (1964, 1966 in part, 1997)
c) they ride the incumbency effect, generally against an unprepared Conservative party. (1951, 1966 in part, 1974b, 2001 and 2005.)

Since a) isn't something you can stage manage and c) relies on winning, that leaves you with b), and I'd say B stands for "Bugger off and read about Harold Wilson until everyone remembers to worship him (He met the Beatles don't you know.)", definitely not "B" for "Blair"

p.s. harold despite everything i just said you're still not forgiven for buying polaris when the manifesto said you'd scrap it.
>> No. 79448 Anonymous
2nd November 2016
Wednesday 3:54 pm
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>>79445

Odd that they scrapped the Forces then. Almost like you are talking out of your ringpiece. Almost.
>> No. 79449 Anonymous
2nd November 2016
Wednesday 5:22 pm
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>>79447
> That's why they voted to leave the EU

Most of the people who I know who voted to leave the EU were in the over 50 camp, who as far as they were concerned were A) just returning to the status quo of their youth, or B) as far as they were concerned didn't do anything but ocaasionally make laws for no good reason to disrupt the status quo.

>>79448

You need to learn the differance between reducing the size of something and getting rid of it entirely, and why people do things.

The tories would spin such an exercise as a begrudging necessary evil for the good of the economy, A corbinite would scrap it entirely because they believed it was our moral duty and if we were attacked because of it we should act as a nation of pacifist martyrs. The underlying motivation is different.
>> No. 79450 Anonymous
2nd November 2016
Wednesday 5:54 pm
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Why does the modern left wing have such a fetishistic desire to atone for the country's historical sins (empire, military might, wealth)?

People would vote for them if it wasn't for all that shit bleeding around the edges of otherwise very sensible and electable ideas.
>> No. 79451 Anonymous
2nd November 2016
Wednesday 5:57 pm
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>>79450
>Very sensible and electable ideas
What left is this?
>> No. 79452 Anonymous
2nd November 2016
Wednesday 6:18 pm
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>>79450
It's a British thing, an obsession with identity politics. In Germany their Green party is relatively successful because they don't subscribe to this nonsense.
>> No. 79453 Anonymous
2nd November 2016
Wednesday 6:25 pm
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>>79452
No, it's an American thing, Guardian type leftism/SJWism is a cultural import.
>> No. 79454 Anonymous
2nd November 2016
Wednesday 6:40 pm
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>>79450
>Why does the modern left wing have such a fetishistic desire to atone for the country's historical sins

It is because modern left is built off a belief that divides everyone into oppressors and the oppressed in different systems and there is no person merits, If you are more successful than another person it purely because of privilege from being an oppressor if you don't think you are, it is because you are arrogant and need to check your privilege.

Hence they feel guilty about their own existence and successes. Being better in any capacity then someone else is not something to be proud of it is something to be ashamed of.
>> No. 79455 Anonymous
2nd November 2016
Wednesday 7:14 pm
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>>79452
The material consequences of our past are still relevant today, and addressing them is neither a recent innovation nor "identity politics" (a term which I've yet to see a coherent definition of). The entire German political spectrum outside of the far right is fanatically apologetic about their past, so I don't really know what you're talking about.

>>79454
So you think the disparity between the kind of life enjoyed by the average, say, laplanderstani compared to the average Briton is attributable to the greater personal merit of the latter?

I don't understand what you're saying at all.
>> No. 79456 Anonymous
2nd November 2016
Wednesday 7:17 pm
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>>79455

Jog on back to SOAS!
>> No. 79458 Anonymous
2nd November 2016
Wednesday 9:34 pm
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>>79454

There's been a lot of drivel on .gs recently but this takes tosh to an entirely new level. I imagine this is what you would get if you were to throw Bertie Wooster to the front of a crowded lecture hall with the instruction "tell us why pinkos are bad."

But you have no Jeeves to save you, so we have to suffer you.
>> No. 79460 Anonymous
3rd November 2016
Thursday 1:50 am
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>>79450
>Why does the modern left wing have such a fetishistic desire to atone for the country's historical sins (empire, military might, wealth)?
It doesn't. You're either imagining things, or narrowing down something so broad as to include everyone from Iraq invading market-fetishising war criminals to Stalin-Defending Communists into a few american-style naive teenagers and Dianne Abbot. Fuck off.

>>79454
>It is because modern left is built off a belief that divides everyone into oppressors and the oppressed
This isn't just a thing of the left, it's something people naturally do.
Consider the Middle East
Evil Oppressor: Gadaffi
Oppressed : Libyan Rebels and Citizens
Solution: Bomb Gadaffi
Result: Fuck shit ignore Libya we didn't intervene what are you talking about.

Evil Oppressor: Assad
Oppressed: "Moderate Rebel groups" and Citizens
Solution: Bomb Syriaaah fucking hell Ed what have you done you've killed all the citizens you bugger
Result: Oh actually that's pretty good if we'd started bombing Assad ISIS would probably own Syria now.


While there are a reasonable group of people who take what should be a useful way of systemising the experiences of various groups and turn it into a black-and-white morality game, it doesn't discredit that it's verifiable fact some people get ahead because of things completely independent of personal merit, or that - shockingly - different people have different experiences and different combinations of unfair advantage and disadvantages in their lives.
>> No. 79461 Anonymous
3rd November 2016
Thursday 3:12 am
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>>79460
>Dianne Abbot
Who?
>> No. 79462 Anonymous
3rd November 2016
Thursday 3:20 am
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>>79461

Don't be obtuse, there're enough actual wazzocks doing the rounds as it is.
>> No. 79463 Anonymous
3rd November 2016
Thursday 6:02 am
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>>79461
Y'now, stop the boats guy.
>> No. 79466 Anonymous
3rd November 2016
Thursday 9:00 am
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>>79463

Nah, you're thinking of this bloke:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6QEkUINpAsg

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