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>> No. 83033 Anonymous
24th June 2017
Saturday 10:38 pm
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>The Government is hiding a devastating report that shows rehabilitation courses taken by thousands of jailed rapists and paedophiles make them more dangerous once they are released.

>According to the study, prisoners who take the courses are at least 25 per cent more likely to be convicted of further sex crimes than those who do not, suggesting that the sessions may have created hundreds of extra victims.

>The controversial Sex Offender Treatment Programme (SOTP), a six-month psychological group-therapy course, is believed to have cost taxpayers well over £100 million since it was set up in 1991.

>Before the report was compiled, about 1,000 prisoners had been taking the 'core' programme at a cost of about £7 million a year, many at eight sex offender treatment 'hubs' – specialist jails where thousands of such criminals are concentrated.

>The worst offenders went on to an 'extended' course, which was also found to make them more dangerous. An investigation by this newspaper has revealed:

>• The Ministry of Justice (MoJ) was initially reluctant to accept the bombshell findings, but after they were independently endorsed, it abruptly axed both programmes – but kept the decision secret;

>• Experts had for years been warning that the programmes were flawed, and there was no good evidence that they cut reoffending;

>• Paedophiles convicted of physically attacking children are especially likely to offend again after taking the SOTP;

>• The decision to keep the report secret was taken by former Justice Secretary Liz Truss, who rejected advice from officials.

>The Ministry has obtained legal advice about the report's likely impact. It warns that victims attacked by programme 'graduates' after their release may be able to sue the Government for damages.

>There are more than 11,000 sex offenders in jail, an eighth of the prison population. The SOTPs were introduced as part of a wave of 'cognitive behaviourial' courses that swept British jails in the 1990s. Other programmes, such as anger management sessions aimed at reducing violence, are still in use.

>In the SOTP, those convicted of sex crimes work with a course facilitator in groups.

>They attempt to examine the reasons for their crimes, and to change the mental attitudes behind them. Often, this involves discussing graphic details of their offences with fellow inmates.

>There have been numerous documented cases of criminals who underwent the SOTP and committed brutal crimes on their release.

>One of the worst was Clive Sharp, who took the course after being convicted and jailed three times for sexual attacks over a 30-year period, starting when he raped an underage girl when he was 17.

>He told his SOTP facilitator in the 1990s that he fantasised about tying up a woman, then raping and murdering her. In October 2012, after his last release, he fulfilled it when he invaded the North Wales home of vet Catherine Gowing, sexually tortured her, then killed and dismembered her. He is now serving life with a minimum 37-year term.

>Another was Tony Rice, who raped, strangled and fatally stabbed Naomi Bryant in Winchester in 2005, just nine months after being released on licence from a life sentence imposed for three rapes and sexual assaults.

>He won his freedom after taking the SOTP. The coroner at Naomi's 2011 inquest said the case was 'a wake-up call for those involved in offender management'. Rice is again serving life.


Further proof, if it was needed, that you can't rehabilitate paedos and sex offenders.

What should be done with them?
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>> No. 83034 Anonymous
24th June 2017
Saturday 11:13 pm
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I'm treated like a mentalist for saying this, but I know I am right. The only way to stop it all is to kill the filth who preys on innocent people, and to also kill the victims themselves. Especially paedophiles and their victims.
>> No. 83035 Anonymous
24th June 2017
Saturday 11:23 pm
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6/10. A valiant effort, though relying on "Message too long" to cover the punchline seems a little cheap.
>> No. 83037 Anonymous
24th June 2017
Saturday 11:47 pm
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Looking down that right panel on Dailymail sets off a whirlwind of suicidal thoughts, angst and depression. I'm not even joking. I sometimes just sit for a couple of hours staring at the ceiling and wondering why I am still alive, and the point of it all.
>> No. 83038 Anonymous
25th June 2017
Sunday 1:11 am
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>prisoners who take the courses are at least 25 per cent more likely to be convicted of further sex crimes than those who do not

Because those prisoners are deemed to be more of a risk, which is why they are taking the course in the first place.

Am I missing something here?
>> No. 83040 Anonymous
25th June 2017
Sunday 2:56 am
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I was thinking the same thing, with an ancillary: Surely the ones who don't take the test don't get released, meaning the risk of being stabbed for trying to assault someone rockets right up?
>> No. 83043 Anonymous
25th June 2017
Sunday 10:16 am
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It says the results have been independently endorsed. I'm sure they'll have factored in something so fundamental.

It'd be like running a Weight Watchers group where you talk in depth about your favourite things to gorge on and then being surprised when Fat Carole turns up the following week half a stone heavier because she's been feasting on eclairs and profiteroles.

Besides, you can't change what someone is attracted to. I'm bisexual and I can't be "cured" of being attracted to men. You've only got to see the number of posts we get here trying to normalise being attracted to kids, usually in the form of "scientific studies" posted on /lab/.
>> No. 83044 Anonymous
25th June 2017
Sunday 10:27 am
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>I'm sure they'll have factored in something so fundamental.
You have far too much faith in humanity. Perhaps you ought to be sent on a rehabilitation course...
>> No. 83045 Anonymous
25th June 2017
Sunday 10:37 am
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This is the Daily Mail. How can we trust anything it says?
>> No. 83046 Anonymous
25th June 2017
Sunday 11:17 am
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It's the Mail on Sunday, which is quite different, but you really don't need a newspaper article to know you can't rehabilitate a carpet-bagger.
>> No. 83047 Anonymous
25th June 2017
Sunday 11:20 am
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Not cured of your attraction but you can certainly be given help controlling your urge to act on it.
>> No. 83048 Anonymous
25th June 2017
Sunday 11:27 am
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I know people in the prison service. They say paedos don't believe they've done anything wrong and are adamant that the child wanted it and enjoyed it.

How can they be trusted to control urges if they don't see anything wrong with them? All they're being taught is how to act like they're able to pass the course and pretend like they can control themselves long enough to get out of prison, not to dissimilar to someone learning to pass their GCSEs through rote learning and being able to regurgitate the right thing.
>> No. 83049 Anonymous
25th June 2017
Sunday 11:37 am
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Yup. I worked on a medical research project with a psychotherapist who used to work in prisons with carpet-baggers. She said the same thing.
>> No. 83050 Anonymous
25th June 2017
Sunday 12:02 pm
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Why are you calling sex offenders "carpet-baggers"? You weirdo.
>> No. 83052 Anonymous
25th June 2017
Sunday 12:57 pm
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I'd be skeptical that who ever has made this investigation into SOTP didn't already have a preset agenda (to cut budgets/ 'lock em up for life') and is trying to make the figures dance to that tune.

The biggest give away is the named offenders at the bottom. An impartial statistician trying to work out the best way to process prisoners isn't going to try shock you into a position with horror stories of releasing those names, somebody had a bag of spuds and The daily mail isn't going to be able to pull who has and hasn't been on SOTP out of their arse. Somebody wants public opinion to be against this program for some reason, and it isn't because that's what the data suggests.
>> No. 83053 Anonymous
25th June 2017
Sunday 1:08 pm
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Won't anyone think of the poor paedos?
>> No. 83054 Anonymous
25th June 2017
Sunday 1:26 pm
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"It doesn't matter if the child wants to, don't do it". A similar logic applies to not opening cages at the zoo.
>> No. 83055 Anonymous
25th June 2017
Sunday 1:30 pm
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So you're saying we should put kiddie fiddlers in cages and not let them out again because we don't know whether they're safe or will resort to their base instincts?
>> No. 83056 Anonymous
25th June 2017
Sunday 1:32 pm
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What? No. It doesn't matter if the animal wants to be let out, don't do it.
>> No. 83057 Anonymous
25th June 2017
Sunday 2:09 pm
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>However, some experts have disputed such claims for many years. One was William Marshall, whose own, very different sex offender rehabilitation programmes in Canada have been shown to achieve huge cuts in reoffending rates.

>Until 2004, Dr Marshall was employed as an external consultant to SOTPs in Britain. But exasperated by what he saw as the programme's shortcomings and the Government's failure to remedy them, he resigned. 'There were a lot of problems with SOTP and I didn't want to be identified with a programme I didn't agree with,' he said. 'They weren't adapting the course in line with developing knowledge, and many of those delivering the programme were not qualified.'

>The worst problem was that the numbers being enrolled on the courses were 'far too ambitious', leading to a shortage of qualified therapists. In fact, most SOTP facilitators were chaplains, ordinary prison officers and other 'para-professionals'.

>According to Dr Marshall, their lack of training meant that the facilitators were forced to stick rigidly to 'scripts' drawn from a thick SOTP manual. He said: 'Manuals take the therapist out of the loop. For sex offender treatment to succeed, you have to be flexible enough to keep adapting to every individual. A revamp is long overdue.'

>Another prominent sceptic was David Ho, a forensic psychiatrist who has treated some of the country's most disturbed offenders at Broadmoor, and is now research chief at a secure unit in Essex.

>He said: 'I'm not surprised by the new evaluation. Both the academic community and the public have the right to see the full results.' Previous studies claiming SOTPs worked were fundamentally flawed, he said – as he had been arguing for years.

Read the article before you post, team. The problem has been one of ambition without the resources so you've just sat some paedos together to discuss molesting kids for years while the local vicar brings tea and stickies (hmm...)

As much as I would like to say that Liz Truss has been a naughty girl the government suppressing the report seems reasonable in light of our countries history.

You just need to come in with an open mind. I enjoy reading about the end of Katy Perry's career which the Daily Mail duly delivered even as it was obviously a puff piece. Considering she tried to shit on Taylor Swift when she was up and coming there is a moral dimension to her now eating the leftovers of Miley Cyrus.
>> No. 83058 Anonymous
25th June 2017
Sunday 6:07 pm
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>Read the article before you post, team.
It's the Mail. That's generally a waste of time, for obvious reasons.
>> No. 83059 Anonymous
25th June 2017
Sunday 6:47 pm
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Even a werewolf is entitled to a defence.
>> No. 83064 Anonymous
25th June 2017
Sunday 10:38 pm
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Like a silver-proof vest?

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