Courtesy of sickipedia:
Fabio Capello resigns to concentrate fully on his commitments as one of the Dolmio puppets.

>>3699

FA bullshit wins again.

Lovely to see the FA go on about the culture of the British game and how much he was paid. Ignoring the actual reason why he left.

>>3700
I haven't read the FA statement yet, I think I'll have a gander in a minute.

The John Terry situation has been handed farcically and it should have been dealt with by now, nevermind until after Euro 2012. It looks like it's going to come down to whether people can lipread him saying 'fucking black cunt!' or 'Oi, Anton! Do you think I called you a black cunt?'. As much as I can't stand John Terry, based on what I've seen on YouTube it looks like the latter is plausible, so you can't blame Capello for sticking with the principle of innocent until proven guilty.

https://www.youtube.com/v/OfoaoQImtaI

Football's a joke.

England in race storm No2

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/4120864/England-in-race-storm-No2.html

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/england/9072849/Stuart-Pearce-needs-to-clear-the-air-after-allegations-of-racist-abuse-towards-Paul-Ince-emerge.html

It's taken the press less than 24 hours after Stuart Pearce was announced as caretaker boss to rake some dirt up from 1994. Nice work.

>>3705
This is getting silly now.

England football plunged into fresh racism row as new caretaker manager Stuart Pearce is revealed as brother of dedicated Gay Racists supporter

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2099211/Stuart-Pearce-racism-row-Brother-Dennis-revealed-Gay Racists-supporter.html

SACK HIM AS CARETAKER MANAGER BECAUSE HIS BROTHER STOOD AS A Gay Racists CANDIDATE.

>>3706
Why, that's ridiculous!
>dailymail
Oh, right.

>>3707
They're all at at it really.

England's new caretaker manager alleged to have abused United's Paul Ince during 1994 game... and his brother stood for the Gay Racists

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/international/fa-redfaced-as-pearce-caught-up-in-racism-storm-6699759.html

>>3701

>As much as I can't stand John Terry, based on what I've seen on YouTube it looks like the latter is plausible, so you can't blame Capello for sticking with the principle of innocent until proven guilty.

Nail >>> Head.
Capello was right to walk and we're far worse off for it. As much as anyone dislikes Alex Ferguson, he is spot on when he says that the manager is the man and no one above him should make footballing decisions. This is where the FA keep fucking up.

I hope Redknapp does well, I really do but let's be honest. It's Keegan 2.0 and it very probably won't.
I'm secretly keeping my fingers crossed that Pearce does well, gets the job until after the Euros, carries on where he left off with the U-21's and leaves the "golden generation" at home.
But I'm not holding my breath.

>>3709
>I'm secretly keeping my fingers crossed that Pearce does well
Hopefully he's learnt a little since this:-

https://www.youtube.com/v/jj7Gtwbvciw

I can't see 'Arry taking the job, he'd have to be mad to leave Spurs for England. I'm expecting Guus.

HODSON FUR ENGERLUND

>>3706

You know who he looks like?

>>3711
>>3714
The James incident was actually more genius than it looked. It was a gamble that didn't pay off, but wasn't a complete disaster - City didn't concede in that time either, and James won them a penalty (which was missed).

>>3715

Shit, I didn't think anyone would be about at that time so deleted the post planning to rewrite it when I woke up. Sorry.
True though, but even so. It's still slightly mental.

Now, from the deleted post, an U-21 training video
https://www.youtube.com/v/2Y29IfzPJ1E
That's why I want Pearce.

>>3716
>That's why I want Pearce.
I'd happily have him at Euro 2012 because I reckon his nose would change to a wondrous range of pinks, purples and reds due to the Eastern European climate.

Goalkeepers: Scott Carson (Bursaspor), Joe Hart (Manchester City), Robert Green (West Ham United)

Defenders: Gary Cahill (Chelsea), Ashley Cole (Chelsea), Leighton Baines (Everton), Glen Johnson (Liverpool), Phil Jones (Manchester United), Micah Richards (Manchester City), Chris Smalling (Manchester United), Kyle Walker (Tottenham Hotspur)

Midfielders: Gareth Barry (Manchester City), Tom Cleverley (Manchester United), Stewart Downing (Liverpool), Adam Johnson (Manchester City), Steven Gerrard (Liverpool), James Milner (Manchester City), Scott Parker (Tottenham Hotspur), Ashley Young (Manchester United), Theo Walcott (Arsenal)

Forwards: Darren Bent (Aston Villa), Fraizer Campbell (Sunderland), Daniel Sturridge (Chelsea), Wayne Rooney (Manchester United), Danny Welbeck (Manchester United)

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/17137420

I can understand wanting to blood some youngsters and drop some of the more experienced players, but I don't see the logic in picking Walcott and Downing; the Ox is in far better form than either of them.

I reckon they've put JT behind all the black players on purpose.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2107052/John-Terry-joins-England-team-charity-bash.html

Never noticed before how ugly the England squad is.

>>3741
>Never noticed before how ugly the England squad is.

Ever since ARE BECKS retired.

>>3741
Don't you think Scott Parker looks like Adam West?

>>3741

When did they start recruiting from second form?

>>3746
>second form?
u wot m8?

I know it's only a friendly, but this first half is probably the first time I've seen England actually going forward with purpose and not looking like they're out of ideas in years.

>>3747

I know, it was nice. Same as losing to Wales in the rugby - I'm not that fussed about the loss, because we at least looked like we might actually be good at some point in hte future.

>>3750
>because we at least looked like we might actually be good at some point in hte future.
There needed to be more of a cutting edge in front of goal, with Bent injured and Rooney banned for the first two games I can see a struggle in the opening game against France. As long as the players put the effort in I won't really care though.

I'd like to see Richards and Lescott in central defence, mainly because they play for the same club and will have an understanding.

>>3751

>There needed to be more cutting edge in front of goal

I agree with that. I think Sturridge could be a good option if we can fit him in from the start. Mostly I was just happy we seemed to be trying to play through our midfield rather than just going straight up top all the time.

Gerrard was still spraying shit passes everywhere looking for the Hollywood, but that's hardly a surprise.

So mourinho was in laandan buying a new house because he's taking the England manager for the summer , then back to Chelsea for next season? It all seems to make sense

>>3712

Roy Hodgson approached for England job:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/17888928

>>3869
I'd be far happier with Woy than 'Arry.

>>3869

There isn't a better Englishman for the job tbh. He'll probably do shit at the Euros, I'm hopeful he'll do well at the World Cup.

The amount of butthurt in the media, especially from the Guardian, because the FA haven't gone for their beloved 'Arry is hilarious.

>>3872

The Media is part of England's problem. I've never seen a Scotland defeat reported in the Scottish media as anything other than a Scotland defeat. When England lose it gets analysed to the point of farce and they wonder why the players are under pressure?

England are not a 5 star team, the media is delusional. They are good, or should be, on paper but they are one or two outstanding players away from getting close to winning anything. That's how it should be reported, they are underdogs in any big game they are going to be in over the summer and if they lose it should be reported as such.

>>3873
>The Media is part of England's problem.

He's the hero England deserves, but not the one it needs right now. So we'll hunt him. Because he can take it. Because he's not our hero. He's a silent guardian, a watchful protector. A dark knight.

>>3873

>They are good, or should be, on paper but they are one or two outstanding players away from getting close to winning anything.
>they are underdogs in any big game

This is the most important thing that needs to be nailed into most England fans heads.

Pretty much agree with your whole post come to think of it.

England needed someone who would walk into the dressing room, command instant player respect, kickstart the shit some could not give with infectious patriotism; someone who could gee the players up for the big occasion, who had experience both selecting and handling players on the big occasions. Someone who had a natural desire to blood young English players, to differ from the out-of-date rigidly techniqueless 4-4-2 England are hellbent on playing. We had that man, but unfortunately a bumbling buffoon was chosen by the other bumbling buffoons.

>>3876

I'm suddenly overcome with deja vu. I remember my Dad saying the exact same thing about Kevin Keegan. He was the hero they deserved, but he was shit.

Roy is the best man for the job. He has managed all around the world and is tried and tested on the international stage. Harry is not.

If you weren't glued to the Guardian's back page and used you noodle for a second you would realise that.

I just want to point out, as someone who is indifferent as to wether England succeed or don't, I'm in a better position to be un-baised. Clearly, you're a bit arse-chaffed about it.

Is that you, Harry?

>>3877
Sometimes people's emotions get in the way of rational thinking. I however am not trying to be "alternative" and think along an oh-so-superior path to the plebs, I am simply using cold hard logic and seeing that whilst Harry Redknapp is someone we know can get the best out of big egos, Roy Hodgson is someone who has only ever succeeded at piss small teams, failed at the bigger ones, and will hardly be a break from the managerial tradition that was shown as so woefully out of touch against the likes of Germany at the World Cup.

>>3876>>3878
Didn't realise Daniel Taylor posts here.

Woy has only managed one big club, Inter Milan, when they were going through a very turbulent period and they were so impressed with the way he steadied the ship that they brought him back a couple off years later when they were in trouble again.

You also seem to be under the impression that England are a 'big team', which is a mentality that fans really need to drop. Woy is good at getting the most out of under achieving mid-level teams, which is what England are. He got Switzerland up to third in the FIFA rankings, but I'm reserving judgement until he names his squad for the Euros, hopefully he doesn't stick with the golden generation.

>>3879

England are a big footballing nation. That idea isn't going anywhere. Hopefully people accept that our team doesn't match that aspiration at the moment, however.

I'm happy enough with Woy, to be honest. Hopefully everybody gives him a break when we suffer at the Euros, because it's not like there's much he can do in less than two months.

When I was in the SU shop newsagent's today I noticed The Sun's headline was about this Roy Hodgson bloke. I don't watch or follow football, but I noticed that the headline replaced all the Rs with Ws - Woy, Euwos, Ukwaine, etc. - and I wondered why the hell they'd done that. Then I realised he must speak with a speech impediment. Then I went and bought a sandwich.

Now I see this.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-17928426

What the fuck? Would the same thing had happened if it was Jonathan Ross? I honestly don't think they were trying to take the piss out of him. I mean the copy even said he was "affectionately known as Woy". Have I missed something here or are people just far too oversensitive?

>>3882

I think people are mostly pissed off with the Sun for their shitty, sly insults about how 'Arry was the man for the job, so they're just using the W thing as an excuse.

Although I do think there's some difference between affectionately calling him Woy (as I've already done in this thread) and going out of one's way to find r's to mangle in a front page headline.

>>3882
Jonathan Ross plays on it, he's named his Twitter account Wossy. I don't think they were doing it to be mean, but they should have thought it through a bit more. The Mail (Why Woy? England Manager-in-Waiting Hodgson has plenty to offer), Mirror (Woy Joy: Hodgson Approached To Be England Manager) and Independent (Don't Do It, Woy - It's Not Worth It) have all managed to get away with Woy headlines.

>>3883
>I think people are mostly pissed off with the Sun for their shitty, sly insults about how 'Arry was the man for the job

To be fair, The Sun have been supportive of Woy since it was announced he'd be the manager, even though they clearly wanted 'Arry. The Graun are being the most vocal about the headline even though they've been incredibly critical of Woy since the announcement; I know they take it upon themselves to get offended and to sneer at tabloids at every opportunity, but the lack of self-awareness from the Guardian is astonishing at times. Also, for some strange reason the sports section also tends to regard sports fans with utter contempt.

>>3880

They aren't a very good team and are a lot of hard work work away from being one, the fact that fans think they should be winning every tournament is why the aren't; too much pressure on a team that aren't that good.

They've got 3 good players. Rooney, Ferdinand and Lampard. John Terry is a good defender, but he is a notorious team wrecker. If he doesn't like a manager he turns the team against him.

They need young fearless players that an experienced manager and the old guard can guide, not ego monsters that believe their own hype.

I'll be impressed if you make a Quarter final this year, but if you lose it shouldn't be a disaster. Yous will have made a Quarter final, that's impressive looking at the possible team.

>>3878
>big egos

Therein lies the problem though. You don't need someone to handle them, you need someone to tell them to stop being cunts or they'll not be picked. Not one of them has the right to have a big ego. The only English player who does retired from international football years ago.
Not they'll care about not being picked because their BFF's in the press would happily hound out any manager who dares drop them and the spineless F.A would be forced into badgering the manager to pick them or sack him.
Also, what sort of message is it sending to kids if England appoint a manager who can't read and write? Not to mention 'Arry's stance on tactics.
>YOU can argue about formations, tactics and systems for ever, but to me football is fundamentally about the players.
>Whether it is 4-4-2, 4-2-3-1, 4-3-3, the numbers game is not the beautiful game in my opinion.
>It’s 10 per cent about the formation and 90 per cent about the players. If you have the best ones and they do their jobs, then they can pretty much play any way you want them to.

The man's a joke and Roy (I refuse to call him Woy now, even affectionately) is the best Englishman for the job.

>>3885

>They need young fearless players that an experienced manager and the old guard can guide, not ego monsters that believe their own hype.

This, this so very this. Look at Rodwell and Welbeck when they came on against Spain. The way they were playing is how you'd expect Lampard, Gerrard et al to play.

>>3886

Well, this is contradicted by Walter Smith taking a team worth about 10 million to the final of the Europa League. How did he do that? Tactics, Formations and systems.

Don't quit the day job 'Arry.

>Roy who?
>Twice European cup finalist
>League winner in Europe

BUT HE HASN'T WON THE FA CUP.
The sad, sad thing is that the country will swallow this shit.

>>3889

They seem to be making a big deal out of a German player not knowing the new England manager. I wonder how many players in the England squad were completely aware of Joachim Löw when he took the German job from Klinsmann.

>>3890

>I wonder how many players in the England squad were completely aware of Joachim Löw when he took the German job from Klinsmann.

I wonder how many are aware of even the most basic things, to be honest.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2012/jul/09/john-terry-football-racism-word?newsfeed=true

It's quite amusing reading a description of a real-life cunt-off. The whole trial is a joke.

>>4279

I honestly thought Terry would have the book thrown at him. I was very surprised to hear that he was found not guilty.

>>4286
There wasn't much of a case against him, it was little more than a playground squabble that the media turned in to a witch hunt. There was no conclusive video evidence and Anton's testimony didn't even add up; he'd said he was only aware of it after the event, when his girlfriend showed him it on the internet, yet he also claimed to have talked to Terry about it in front of Ashley Cole. A complete waste of money. The FA will probably give him a ban when they re-open their investigation because Terry admitted to saying 'fucking black cunt'.

It was quite funny for Rio to retweet someone calling Cole a choc ice; his initial reaction was "And if I want to laugh at something someone tweets....I will! Hahahahaha! Now stop getting ya knickers in a twist!" and then to backtrack with his flimsy 'choc ice means calling someone fake, it isn't racist' excuse after it was pointed out how he was being a massive hypocrite.

>>4295

You just know you're dealing with a serious bunch of cunts when Ashley Cole is the one coming out of it all with his head held high.

Police investigate 'choc ice' tweet about Ashley Cole

http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2012/jul/17/police-invetigate-ashley-cole-choc-ice

It's all getting rather silly now.

>>4304
http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2012/jul/30/rio-ferdinand-fa-charge-twitter
>Manchester United's Rio Ferdinand charged by FA over Twitter comments

Is this topsy-turvy land?

>>4376
To be fair, any sense of reality went out the window the moment the FA decided to start disciplinary proceedings over a matter that the courts have already decided.

>>4390
The FA disciplinary is over 'dishonouring the game' or something, and regards both ferdinand as perpetrators.

>>4376
He has been fined £45k. Does this mean he's officially a racist?

>>4456
Isn't he paid over 100k a week? That's a fucking pathetic fine

Ferdinand is obviously a genius, because he responded in rapturous agreement to a tweet suggesting it was ridiculous to be fined £45k for calling someone a choc-ice.

>>4457
How much do you think Joe Public is fined for saying bad words? What about Dylan Doley?

>>4457
He's on ~£120k a week, he's in the final year of his contract and there was talk of Man Utd offering him a new one on about half of that (with large appearance bonuses) but I don't think that materialised. Now he's out for a month with a leg injury.

I reckon this could be his last season.

Former England captain John Terry has announced his retirement from international football after playing 78 times in nine years for his country.

The Chelsea defender, 31, was cleared at Westminster Magistrates' Court in July of racially abusing Anton Ferdinand during a Premier League game. But Terry still faces a Football Association disciplinary charge over the matter, something he said had made his position "untenable".

"I feel the FA, in pursuing charges against me where I have already been cleared in a court of law, have made my position with the national team untenable," he said in a statement.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/19695430

>>4519
And now the FA have decided to ignore everything the court did and find him guilty. Yet again demonstrating how well their name relates to their grasp on reality.

>>4523
It was clear Terry retired because he knew what the verdict would be and decided to jump before he was pushed.

I'm sure it is in the FA's rules that if someone is cleared of a criminal charge then that should be the end of it.

>>4523

Under the FAs rules you only have to use language. In the trial he admitted to it, so despite being found innocent in court he will get punished.

>In the 63-page ruling released by the FA on Friday morning, the independent regulatory commission said there were discrepancies in Cole's version of events. The Chelsea left-back responded on Friday afternoon by tweeting: "Hahahahaa, well done #fa I lied did I, #BUNCHOFTWATS."

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2012/oct/05/ashley-cole-fa-john-terry

I'd 4-4 to be a germany fan right now

https://www.youtube.com/v/jw2US0Y1LKc

Quite funny to watch this after the massive teary the media has had here over John Terry.

>>4543
Have a look at the comments section.

>>4544
>im welsh and proud but ill stand up for my english brothers any fuckin day...come to britain you serbian faggots and we will show who fuckin runs this country and im telling you it aint no dirty fuckin eskimo! you serbian bastards aint shit,your just a country full of drug taking criminals with no fuckin money you gypsy cunts...come to britain and we will crush you into a fine powder you gay boys!! oh yeah you cant come because you cant afford a plane ticket hahahaha
welsh dragon 14 hours ago

>What a fuckin bullshit do you say?! Shut up your trap and seat quietly cocksucker. Your british community as a fan culture are tolerant multiracial shits. You are always hited hard when you come to Russia. Nowadays you haven`t any serious fighter troops, you are pathetic parody of british fans from 60-70s. What dо you say about Serbian welfare? You welshes are begging english economy therefore you have no right open your fucking mouth and speak about our serbian brothers.
RailwayGuy1488 in reply to welsh dragon 1 hour ago

https://www.youtube.com/v/tZc4hzjBk8k

EVEN THE REFEREES ARE RACISS NOW. NO WONDER THE BLACK PLAYERS WON'T WEAR ANTI-RACISM SHIRTS AND WANT THEIR OWN UNION.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2012/oct/29/mark-clattenburg-fa-statement-chelsea

It's official. Any negative chant involving Rio Ferdinand is racist.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2300606/Racist-Rio-Ferdinand-chants-England-fans-reported-FIFA.html

>>4712
Does that mean we can't give another rendition of HIS NAME IS RIO AND HE WATCHES FROM THE STANDS?

>>4713
From what I can gather, it is Rio and Rio alone who decides what is racism and what is banter.

>>4714

This just in: Footballer Acts Like Complete Twat.

In other news: Sky Blue, Water Wet, Pope Catholic.

>Harry Redknapp does not believe the Football Association's senior officials are equipped to make high-level sporting decisions and said he "would not trust them to show him a good manager if their lives depended on it".

http://www.theguardian.com/football/2013/oct/07/harry-redknapp-fa-no-clue-england

Nice to know that 'Arry is still mad.

Apparently Andros Townsend's dad (who works for Kick It Out) has had a teary because Roy made the following joke at half-time against Poland:-

“Nasa decided they’d finally send a man up in a capsule after sending only monkeys in the earlier missions,” the joke goes.

“They fire the man and the monkey into space. The intercom crackles, 'Monkey, fire the retros’. A little later, 'Monkey, check the solid fuel supply’.

“Later still, 'Monkey, check the life support systems for the man’. The astronaut takes umbrage and radios Nasa, 'When do I get to do something?’

“Nasa replies, 'In 15 minutes – feed the monkey’.”

>It is understood that Hodgson told the joke at half-time of England’s 2-0 win against Poland, with the intention of encouraging right-back Chris Smalling to play the ball more frequently to Townsend. It has been reported that at least one player was shocked by the remark because he thought it could be perceived to carry racist connotations.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/england/10384676/Roy-Hodgson-forced-to-apologise-in-bizarre-race-row-after-making-joke-about-England-winger-Andros-Townsend.html

You're not allowed to use the word monkey when referring to black/mixed-raced people. The world has gone mad.

>>5105
Did I read that right? Roy made a monkey joke about Poland, and you are saying that the Poles are black/mixed race?

>>5106

Poland is near New Guinea right?

>>5106
He said feed the money to mean that they should play the ball to Townsend more.

>>4713
That's hilarious.

>>5105
>>5106
>>5107
>>5108
I really hate the modern world.

Kick It Out are asking for a full investigation so a similar situation doesn't happen in the future.

No doubt we'll be hearing from the Society of Black Lawyers soon.

>>5105
Ignoring the racist slant to the story, Roy is a fucking idiot

>>5112
Why?

Racism out of ignorance is still racism.

>>5114
Stan Collymore has said it wasn't racist, so it wasn't racist.

I don't think you understand how racism works in football.

>>5114
But it wasn't racism out of ignorance. It wasn't racism at all.

>>5115
Racism works differently in football?

>>5117
Calling a black person a monkey is like calling them a gollywog. Thank your ancestors for making words have racist connotations. You can't escape it. Dress it up anyway you like it, it is racist and it is funny that you get to decide how racist something is. The white man has spoken, he said it was not racist, there is nothing to see here monkeys, on your way, go on.

That's the beautiful bit. You get to be racist but then dictate what should and should-not be offensive. It is beautiful.

>>5122
>Calling a black person a monkey is like calling them a gollywog.
Right. So thank goodness Roy wasn't calling a black person a monkey.

>>5123
He implied it mate. The intention also counts. English is a racist and ethnocentric language.

>>5124
If you find racism in that then it says more about you.

>>5124
>He implied it mate.
Did he fuck.

>The intention also counts.
Well that's a relief, seeing as he wasn't either intending to or actually calling a black person a monkey.

>>5126
By saying it, he made it clear that he knew what he was saying. Even if he didn't mean it, racism out of ignorance is still racism.

>>5125
You don't find racism in that statement, because you are white and privileged. It is difficult for you, to see from any other perspective.

>>5127
Oh, right. We're playing silly buggers.

>>5128
Sarcasm is the last defence of a racist-enabler. Are you a racist?

>>5127
>racism out of ignorance is still racism.
Well thank fuck he didn't make any ignorant racist comments in that dressing room, eh?

>You don't find racism in that statement, because you are white and privileged.
Sorry, lad. You're not impressing anyone.

In the context, he's implying that monkeys are vastly superior to human beings anyway, right? Fucking race traitor.

This is all so silly it beggars belief.

>>5131
In the context, he's implying that the best strikers in the world can't do anything if their team-mates can't get the ball to them.

>>5132
>You can only imply one thing at a time
>Raging with Sage

Stop it, you.

>>5135

Manlove. Sage'd.

Looking at how a few players have been performing this season, I reckon England should be alright at the World Cup if Woy picks the right squad.

It's probably the most choice we've had in midfield for quite some time. I'd be very happy with a midfield made up from Wilshere, Lallana, Henderson, Milner, Barry, Shelvey, Huddlestone, Barkley and Walcott. Rooney, Sturridge, Welbeck and maybe even Lambert or Jay Rodriguez should be alright up front and the defence is looking solid, if unspectacular, although there is plenty of competition for position, like Johnson and Walker for RB and Baines, Cole, Gibbs and Shaw for LB.

Italy are notorious slow starters and if they struggle to acclimatise then they could be caught cold.

----------------Hart------------------

Walker--Cahill--Jagielka----Baines

------Henderson----Wilshere------

Walcott-------Barkley-------Milner

----------------Rooney--------------

>>5282
Nice position for Barkley, I reckon he'll be world class in a few years, if he gets games and keeps up his run of form he could go a long way, I think he's going to be one of those players you base your team around, 'You run wild, everyone else, give him the ball'.

I think I'd rather have Townsend on the right wing, this world cup can go to shit, it's the next one we should be focusing on.

Uruguay will tear us a new arsehole, Cavani and Suarez up against Cahill and Jagielka, if they perform like they did against Chile and Germany then we'll lose by at least three. Italy have a fairly weak team as well at the minute, that game is going to be the key one.

I'd stick Luke Shaw in the squad as well, he's another for the future.

Hopefully Jordan Henderson continues to perform like he did in Liverpool's game last week (The one without Stevie G). If he does he'd be decent, though I don't much like him.

>>5283
Cahill had Suarez in his pocket today. Then again, so did Alex Bruce a few weeks ago. If Woy can instill some organisation in the team instead of the usual hesitancy creeping in then you never know.

>>5302
Cahill didn't, Cahill and Terry did.

>>5303
Where is the campaign to bring JT out of retirement?

>>5321
My house. Now. Accepting donations.

>>5282
Walcott out, so I guess it's Sturridge or Welbeck in his position then. I kind of want to see Jordan Mutch play for England; he's offered more this season than Tom fooking Cleverley.

Or maybe The Ox, depending on how he does when he returns from injury.

Goalkeepers: Fraser Forster (Celtic), Ben Foster (West Bromwich Albion), Joe Hart (Manchester City), John Ruddy (Norwich City).

Defenders: Leighton Baines (Everton), Gary Cahill (Chelsea), Steven Caulker (Cardiff City), Ashley Cole (Chelsea), Glen Johnson (Liverpool), Luke Shaw (Southampton), Chris Smalling (Manchester United), Kyle Walker (Tottenham Hotspur).

Midfielders: Ross Barkley (Everton), Michael Carrick (Manchester United), Tom Cleverley (Manchester United), Steven Gerrard (Liverpool), Jordan Henderson (Liverpool), Adam Lallana (Southampton), Frank Lampard (Chelsea), James Milner (Manchester City), Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain (Arsenal), Raheem Sterling (Liverpool), Andros Townsend (Tottenham Hotspur), Jack Wilshere (Arsenal).

Forwards: Jermain Defoe (Toronto FC), Rickie Lambert (Southampton), Jay Rodriguez (Southampton), Wayne Rooney (Manchester United), Daniel Sturridge (Liverpool), Daniel Welbeck (Manchester United).

Quite pleased with that. Apart from picking Cleverley instead of Barry I don't think Woy could have done much better.

>>5421
No Curtis Davies or Tom Huddlestone, no justice!

>>5422

Aye, the moment I saw there wasn't a single Hull City player, but plenty of sub-par United and in-fashion Southampton ones, my piss started boiling. Davies particularly, considering Woy's got 5 Fullbacks on the list, but only 3 CBs, very silly. Caulker from the leakiest defence in the league too...

Fuck Woy.

>>5423
>in-fashion Southampton

You can't really criticise Woy for picking players on form. However, I think Huddlestone needs to go up a level to displace players already in the England set up, his form seems to have dipped a bit recently. Davies is certainly having a better season than Caulker - http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/premier-league/steven-caulker-v-curtis-davies-headtohead-analysis-ahead-of-the-clash-between-cardiff-city-and-hull-city-9142085.html - I can only assume Woy wants more youth in the team.

>>5421
I agree on the Cleverley point. That's thirty however, seven won't make the cunt. We've got a real problem in the centre of defence now Terry's done and gone.

Also, why is Defoe still in??

>>5425
>We've got a real problem in the centre of defence
But we don't have to.

>>5425
Defoe is still in because there's a lack of alternatives. I think Carroll's injured and who does that leave? Crouch? Agbonlahor? That young one at West Brom? Heskey?

WE LIVERPOOL NOW.

>>5435
We have no Suarez or Coutinho though, mores the problem. Also both Rooney and Baines are from Merseyside too.

>>5436
I hope Rooney isn't an automatic starter at the World Cup, he really can't be arsed. England looked a lot better last night when Lallana came on for Wilshere and Sturridge actually played in position. I'd be happy for a front three of Lallana, Sturridge and Sterling against Italy, although I'm not 100% on the three I'd have behind them, probably Gerrard. Also, Shaw seems to offer more going forward than Baines and Cole offers far more defensively than him too, the Brazil game being an excellent example of this; unless you could push him farther up the field, I think there's a case for not taking Baines to Brazil.

>>5437
Baines can act on the left of midfield where necessary, he's valuable, as are both Shaw and Cole. The left of defence isn't really our worry though, it's central defence.

>>5438
If Cahill and Jagielka stay fit then it should be reet.

>>5438>>5439
Again: >>5426

>>5440
I have the feeling that Smalling, Jones, Richards, Lescott, Caulker and whoever at Spurs are all higher up the pecking order than Davies. The only way I could see Davies sneaking in is through injuries and getting man of the match in the FA Cup final.

>>5441
Quite sad, really. His stats are up there with the best of them. Tigers can't be lions, apparently.

>The father of Chelsea captain John Terry threatened a train station cleaner with a bottle and told him 'I will smash it over your head you black c***', a court heard today.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2582828/I-smash-head-black-c-What-John-Terrys-father-allegedly-said-train-station-cleaner-threatening-bottle.html

Like father, like son.

>>5456
The story makes no mention of whether the station cleaner was, indeed, a black cunt.

>>5457
Since when has casual racism been acceptable around here?

>>5458
There is no racism in that post.

>>5458

Maybe he's just wondering about his level of cuntiness?

>>5459
And I suppose Hitler didn't gas the Jews either!

>>5458
It's possible to be both black and a cunt. Don't let Rio or Sol tell you otherwise. If it's okay to call a black person 'black' and it's okay to call a cunt 'cunt' then why can't you call a black person who is a cunt a 'black cunt'?

>>5458

You're in a football thread, everyone knows anyone involved with the sport at any level is a racist sex offender. I am not being sarcastic, this is an earnest sentence.


>>5461

Well, technically he got other people to do it for him. This the silly part of my post.

>>5462

The same article says he called someone a "fucking paki" too.

Technically it could mean a black man who happens to be a cunt but in word pairings such as those, the first part is seen as negative, e.g. "bald cunt", "fat cunt".

>>5464
Happy cunt, handsome cunt. Moist cunt.

>>5465

but the first one's using "cunt" in an affectionate way, and the second is - at most - mildly jealous.

"I will smash it over your head you black cunt" has a bit of a different connotation.

>>5466
Blue cunt, green cunt. Perplexed cunt. Philosophical cunt.

>>5467
>Blue cunt, green cunt.

Buttery biscuit cunt.

Isn't the main issue that he's threatened to smash some 'cunt' over the head?
Or would it really be that much better if he hadn't specified his skin colour? I for one wouldn't walk away from such a situation feeling elated just because some cunt had omitted to mention my skin colour (or, more pertinently in my case, height, for example) when threatening to glass me.

>>5469
Is your skin colour said to be white, by any chance?

>>5469
No, the main issue is that in the England thread we're now arguing over whether the father of a player who is no longer up for selection is racist.

>>5469
It involves the Terry family; they're all notorious cunts, so anything involving race will be picked up on. Take the whole Anton thing - everyone knows JT is a cunt and the papers lapped it up because they want everyone to think he's a racist cunt and they don't want something as trivial as facts to get in the way. Admit it, you want JT to be racist because you love a pantomime villain.

>>5470
Well yes, quite evidently so, which is why I took the time to point out something for which I actually get picked on in order to draw a more valid comparison.

>>5469
>my skin colour (or, more pertinently in my case, height, for example)
Oh god.
https://www.youtube.com/v/s_F27ejh3x4

>>5473
Sorry, my mistake. I must have started scan reading once I'd identified your post was irredeemably idiotic. Hopefully Stewart Lee has effectively illustrated why it is so.

>>5474

Stop it. That's not funny. Posting Stewart Lee in a football thread is just going to confuse people. The football fans won't get Stewart Lee and the Stewart Lee fans don't get football.

This is an extremely irresponsible thing that you've done.

>>5476
I enjoy both football and Stewart Lee. I'm a real special snowflake.

>>5477
So do I.

>>5477>>5478

No, you're both clearly mistaken/profoundly mentally ill. Reconsider what you just said and if you come to the same conclusion seek immediate medical care/post on /emo/.

'lotta forward slashes in that sentence.

I couldn't give a shit if JT had murdered the pope, he's a great footballer.

Can we discuss football now?

>>5481
>Don't discuss what doesn't interest me.
Nothing is stopping you from posting about the game itself. You can even create another thread if you think we're somehow discouraging that.

>>5479
I'm assuming you're just being tongue in cheek but why do you find it odd that someone might be able to enjoy both football and Stewart Lee?

>>5482
JT's racism is an ethical issue, not a sporting one.

>>5484
He's a footballer though, and football is a sport. Not hard m8.

>>5484
The applicability of discussion surrounding Terry's alleged racism to the sporting board is not a sporting issue and yet here you are, posting about it on the sport board.

>>5485
Shall we discuss Gayle Emm's choice of curtains?

>>5487
I don't find that interesting or worthwhile and I doubt many other people posting in this thread will either, so it may be a bit of a monologue. I won't stop you or bitch about it though, so go ahead!

Top tip, lads. Don't listen to our World Cup song. Christ.

>>5493

The world cup is this year? Again? Fuck.

>>5494
If you're lucky I'll do what I did four years ago and spam /b/ with are finest ingerlund supporters.

Up to £90 for the new England shirt? They're 'aving a giraffe. They'll be £5 a pop in Sports Direct by the end of summer.

Looks like Rodriguez could miss the World Cup. I think that leaves Sturridge as our only in-form striker and he'll be pushed to the left to accommodate Rooney.

>>5515
Fuck Rooney.

I've been thinking - I'm increasingly convinced Raheem Sterling should make an appearance - could we possibly play a 4-2-4 type system, with *someone* on the left, Sturridge as a CF and Rooney supporting him, Sterling on the right, Stevie G playing holding midfield, someone else with him... With two attacking fullbacks that could be a great system I think, as well as playing to our strengths with Sturridge and Gerrard.

>>5573
There's a bit too much Rooney in your starting XI.

>>5574
What's the alternative?

>>5577
Sturridge on his own. Lallana would do a better job in your Rooney position.

Looks like Townsend is injured, which is a good thing in my book as I was worried he'd take the place of someone more talented.

>>5599

Do you think Woy will have the balls to play Stirling as a no 10?

>>5600
I expect Woy to field as many Liverpool players as possible; I have an inkling he feels he owes them something for getting sacked.

>>5601
Regardless of him being sacked, it'd be best for England. Henderson, Sterling, Sturridge and Gerrard play alongside each other week in week out

Anyway, my suggestions:

Hart
Johnson Jagielka Cahill Baines
Gerrard
Lallana Henderson Sterling
Rooney
Sturridge

Alternatively

Johnson Jagielka Cahill Baines
Gerrard
Milner Henderson Sterling
Lallana
Sturridge

Or again

hart
Johnson Jagielka Cahill Baines
Gerrard
Sterling Henderson Downing (Or Milner)
Lallana
Sturridge

It looks like Jones is injured. I'm expecting a call up for John Stones. Him and Curtis Davies should be the back up for Cahill and Jagielka.

Seeing as Woy is naming his 23/30 man squad tomorrow here's mine:

GK: Hart, Forster, Foster

DF: Shaw, Baines, Cahill, Jagielka, Johnson, Jones, Davies

MF: Gerrard, Henderson, Barry, Wilshere, Milner, Sterling, Ox, Lallana, Barkley

FW: Sturridge, Rooney, Lambert, Wickham

Standby: Ruddy, Smalling, Cole/someone from Spurs, Huddlestone, Shelvey/Delph, Puncheon, Carroll

>>5634

What about Hooper?

>>5634
I'd have Nathaniel Clyne. Who's davies?

Also I'd take welbeck, against my better judgement.

>>5636
Curtis Davies. There's not many options for centre back and right back. Forgot about Welbeck, I knew I'd miss someone.

On Radio 2 they said Ashley Cole has retired from international football because he didn't want to be on the reserve list. Also, Carrick and Cleverley won't be in the squad.

>>5646
Looking good then.

Goalkeepers:
Joe Hart (Manchester City)
Fraser Forster (Celtic)
Ben Foster (West Bromwich Albion)
Defenders:
Leighton Baines (Everton)
Gary Cahill (Chelsea)
Phil Jagielka (Everton)
Glen Johnson (Liverpool)
Phil Jones (Manchester United)
Luke Shaw (Southampton)
Chris Smalling (Manchester United)
Midfielders:
Ross Barkley (Everton)
Steven Gerrard (Liverpool)
Jordan Henderson (Liverpool)
Adam Lallana (Southampton)
Frank Lampard (Chelsea)
James Milner (Manchester City)
Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain (Arsenal)
Raheem Sterling (Liverpool)
Jack Wilshere (Arsenal)
Forwards:
Rickie Lambert (Southampton)
Wayne Rooney (Manchester United)
Daniel Sturridge (Liverpool)
Danny Welbeck (Manchester United)

I like it. Time to give the players of the future a go.

>>5648
Pretty much exactly as I expected. If anything I wanted a bit more youth, get rid of Lamps, I really would've put James Ward-Prowse in instead. I hope Will Hughes shines next year for Derby, either than or he's picked up by a bigger team if they don't make it into the PL.

>>5648
Needs less Lampard and more Garry Barry.

>>5650
What's the point in taking either?

>>5651
one last holiday with the lads?

>>5652
Lamps will be 36, he'll drop dead in the Brazilian jungle.

>>5651
To me, that squad is balanced towards attacking (although who knows how Woy will have them play) so I think Barry would offer the option of more defensive cover when it needs shoring up.

In b4 mad Hullfa.gs.

>>5655
What a bunch of crap that image is.

It looks like the hype train is kicking off. It's weird; there has been low expectations during the qualifying, meaning the players have got quietly confident because they can relax and go about their business, but the media have decided this quiet confidence means they can start ramping up the pressure and expectations. Apart from Rooney, almost everything I've read says he'll have a bad tournament and make it his third World Cup without scoring.

It looks like Woy is set on playing 4-2-3-1, which is why it was a huge mistake not taking Barry for defensive cover. Henderson and Gerrard do not play side-by-side for Liverpool; Gerrard has his deep role and Henderson's farther upfield with Coutinho/Lucas, winning the ball in more dangerous positions. Unsurprisingly, the performance went up again once Rooney and Gerrard were taken off and the latter couldn't spray his Hollywood passes out of play. Also, is Johnson really our best right-back?

It looks like I'm going to start all my posts with the same three words.

That was perhaps the most boring England game I've ever watched. Maybe the idea is to play really slow against Italy and then bring on Sterling and someone else and knock up the pace at 60 minutes or something.

>>5717
I doubt anything will top the Algeria game from the last World Cup. I think the plan last night was to plod along in preparation for having to do the same in Brazil because of the heat.

Fuck me, this is atrocious defending. I thought the plan was to attack like Liverpool, not defend like them.

>>5719
I think woy wants to give everyone a run so nobody is left with zero caps at the end of it. To be fair to the terrible defending, it was smalling, Jones, milner and shaw, not exactly a recipe for success. On the bright side barkley was excellent,as was ox, I know woy doesn't have the balls to do it but I really can't see an argument for keeping rooney in the team.

Anyway, milner was a crap rb so it looks like we're stuck with glen Johnson back there, obviously cahill and jagielka in the centre and baines on the left. I don't know why baines didn't play today, at the very least some of the other players could learn to play with his dead balls and crosses. I don't know why foster played either, similar reasons to baines. Lamps won't start, Gerrard will be in his place, wilshere looked alright so for centre mid it looks like a straight choice between him and hendo. The big question really is attacking midfield, I'd get rid of rooney and put barkley there, maybe Wayne on the left if he holds his ground more than he did today, and bring sterling on for pace after 60m. Ox looked great on the right. Lambert looked like lambert, not much choice of anyone except sturridge starting up front


Just keep fucking welbeck away from the team.

>>5720
Rooney will start now that he's got a goal, it's inevitable. At least he seems to have gained a bit of motivation after a lot of the press have written him off. I expect he'll start against Italy, run around everywhere like a blue arsed fly without actually achieving much and will be substituted early in the second half because he's turned into a sweaty puddle of piss.

I can see why Woy wants to give the young/fringe players experience but pretty much every other team going to the World Cup have been fielding their first team so they can have everything fine tuned for when it all kicks off on Thursday. Hopefully the poor performances won't lead to the defence shitting the bed when it matters.

>>5721
>Hopefully the poor performances won't lead to the defence shitting the bed when it mattress.
I keep reading matters as mattress, and cook as cock. I might be losing it.

Fuck Rooney.

Well that was shite.

>>5726
I thought some of the quick passing was alright (if it didn't break down the moment it got to Johnson), but there wasn't enough of a threat in front of goal. Lallana flattered to deceive. Barkley has to start against the I-Ties.

It's war.

>>5729

It does have a ring to it though...

>>5729

It's fairly disgraceful to be using international sport as a sounding board for international politics.

>>5729

Surely young Argentines don't care about some bloody wind blasted rocks in the middle of the Atlantic?

Sage for /pol/ and all archaeologyers being scum anyway.

>>5735

I doubt they do but the fact Argentina seems to have a "Ministry for subjects related to the Falklands" which is shunting this kind of crap on their national team is worrying on all kinds of levels. Imagine Are Dave sending out the England team with a huge banner saying "We're all in it together". Makes me shudder to think.

>>5734 how dare they make a frivolent activity important on an international scale!

>>5737

Fuck off Cristina.

Try sorting out your economy instead of scapegoating the Falklands.

This seems like an opportune moment to remind .gs that this exists;

https://www.youtube.com/v/VKkcTpCur7g

>>5739
I'm loving that.

>>5739

Ha, at about 1:50 they more or less attribute the independence of Argentina to the Royal Navy. Nicely done.

And if that's real, which I hope it's not, it can't have a mainstream audience, right?

>>5741
It is real. It's from an Argentine cartton called 'Zamba's Amazing Tour'.

http://www.csmonitor.com/World/Americas/2013/0310/Malvinas-curriculum-helps-Argentina-revive-Falklands-claim

>In a recent episode of “Zamba’s Amazing Tour,” a popular children’s show produced by a state-run animation company in which a little boy revisits key moments in Argentina’s history, Zamba travels back to 1982 to learn why the islands are Argentine and the injustice of the British occupation.

>>5742

Mind. Blown. They could at least do it properly and send the kid back to 1789 to partake in the Nootka Sound conventions. Fucking Argies can't do anything right.

I think we should retaliate by making a version of The Magic Schoolbus about Are Empire.

>>5744

Or Playdays. "It's the Raj stop!".

>welbeck might be injured

There is a god.

>>5757
Don't get your hopes up, Woy will probably end up playing Milner over Sterling.

I don't care if one of them has to come off the bench, I just want to see Ox, Sterling and Barkley behind Sturridge at some point.

>>5758
Definitely, in fact that's the only outcome I want.