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|>>|| No. 4918
I saw this earlier on and assumed it was a piss-take.
It must be a piss-take, right?
|>>|| No. 4920
I've never been sure whether half-caste and coloured are meant to be offensive or not. I've definitely never heard them used anywhere near offensively, if a police asked me for someones description I'd consider half-caste to be perfectly acceptable to say. Same for handicapped, I'd even go as far as to say it's more polite than disabled.
Rent-boy isn't offensive, it's a job description. I'm sure our government would agree with this.
|>>|| No. 4921
>It must be a piss-take, right?
I don't know, this is Liverpool after all.
|>>|| No. 4922
Bloody euphemism treadmill. Look at half-caste, coloured, cripple, and handicapped on there, they don't belong. And 'man up'? Sure, gender stereotyping, but offensive in only very specific contexts. And when did gypsy become a term of abuse?
Lists like these make me angry - not that people shouldn't be protected from offence, but that people choose to use them to offend, and be offended by them, in the first place.
|>>|| No. 4923
>I've never been sure whether half-caste and coloured are meant to be offensive or not.
I don't think the words themself are offensive, but they're archaic and the historic connotations they have mean you'll be painted as an ignorant bigot if you use them. It's why it's acceptable to say Brit but it isn't to say Paki.
|>>|| No. 4924
Half-caste is racist, you racist buffoon. I dare you to say it to my face. You racist twat.
|>>|| No. 4925
Why should I say it when you play like a girl, you pikey midget!
|>>|| No. 4926
Yeah yeah. Wha yu mean when yu say half-caste. I'll tell you what I fucking mean - mixed race. Nothing else. Isn't it your own problem if you perceive racism where there's none?
|>>|| No. 4927
To be honest, I didn't even know half-caste was racist until someone in maths class called me half-caste and the teacher flipped her shit. But yes, it is offensive thanks to glorious British history and racism. It simply means half pure.
|>>|| No. 4928
Mate it is racist but good on you for telling me, a half-caste, what is and what isn't a racist term. The all knowing white Englishman sure schooled me. It is your destiny, your burden, the white man's burden, to educate us less pure fools.
|>>|| No. 4933
Yes. If you feel the urge to chastise divers and players feigning injuries then you need to check your privilege, cis scum.
|>>|| No. 4934
>check your privilege, cis
Well judging by the context you're using them in you haven't got a clue what these mean, have you?
|>>|| No. 4935
I was unaware "spic" was in common usage here.
Also my aunt is still convinced "coloured" is fine to say.
|>>|| No. 4936
Spic? It isn't common but the owners of Liverpool are American. So...
|>>|| No. 4937
I do, but I couldn't think of a funny word to use instead of 'cis', check your priviledge scruples-scum?
|>>|| No. 4939
Because people who don't dive and play-act are more privileged than those who do and should therefore check their privilege before they criticise them.
|>>|| No. 4940
My Grandad thinks 'wog' is acceptable because it stands for 'western oriental gentleman'.
He's a good person, really, but my word...
|>>|| No. 4942
It's better than calling them Chinky, Nip, Gook, Ricer or slanty-eyed bastard.
My friends told me off when I said one of them had yellow fever for fancying a Chinese lass. Madness.
|>>|| No. 4943
Ladmate, do you know what wog means and where the "Western Orient" is pertaining to?
I mean, you're quite right in that it would be better than calling them a chink but that's only because you'd have to be a pretty shit racist to confuse the two. Or, come to think of it, a really good one; "they're all just fucking foreign to me".
|>>|| No. 4944
I thought wog was short for golliwog and meant for black people, but I naively assumed Western Oriental Gentlemen meant Chinkies that have moved here. Sorry for not being au fait with my racist vernacular.
|>>|| No. 4947
I'm pretty sure my elderly relatives use "wogs" to mean black people.
They're Irish and they were bemoaning the fact that when they first moved to London, most houses to let said "No Irish" and the ones which accepted Irish people were "all full of wogs."
|>>|| No. 4949
>My Grandad thinks 'wog' is acceptable because it stands for 'western oriental gentleman'.
I hope you set him right on that one.
|>>|| No. 4950
Too fucking right. They're many things, but one thing they ain't is gentlemen.
|>>|| No. 4951
It's quite funny how the bin-dippers are asking for loyalty from Suarez while they've just shipped off Reina to Napoli on loan without letting him know.
Fuck knows why Arsenal have bid £40,000,001 for him. At first I thought they were doing it as an exercise to show they're willing to spend big money this summer, but it now looks as if they're being serious and actually want to sign him.
|>>|| No. 4955
I don't know, either.
There's nothing racist in using 'Bongo Bongo Land'. It says more about the people inferring that it's offensive. There must be people who spend their spare time Googling words to see if they have any negative connotations, no matter how tenuous, so they can explode and get offended on someone else's behalf if some unsuspecting soul uses them.
|>>|| No. 4956
I don't know, Bongo Bongo land stinks of Victorian explorers running after some black people to enslave in the forests of Africa somewhere.
|>>|| No. 4958
"Bongo Bongo land" is right out of the same dictionary as "fuzzy-wuzzy" or "jungle-bunny", a long-established piece of classically racist language dating back at least a hundred years or so. Essentially it comes from a faux-ignorant position of lumping places like Sudan and Ghana all into the same pot because "they all look alike and their names all sound the same".
|>>|| No. 4959
Victorian explorers, those notorious slavers.
Just because you erroneously think something sounds racist doesn't actually make it racist, bwana. It's just a lazy excuse to have a pop at UKIP when there's enough legitimate reasons to do so.
|>>|| No. 4960
Have a look at >>4958 lad. Nobody is having a pop at UKIP, they aren't doing themselves any favours by letting their racism leak out every once and again.
|>>|| No. 4962
I didn't see that, I posted mine first as >>4957 but deleted it and reposted because of a typo. I can usually get away with it on the slow boards.
|>>|| No. 4963
>Bloom was ejected from the Mansion House in 2009 for heckling Lord Turner for giving staff a bonus after the massive regulatory failure of 2008/9. According the Daily Telegraph he was the first man to be ejected since John Wilkes in the late 18th century. Bloom also signed the petition in disgust at the knighthood for the failures of Hector Sants
>In October 1992 Bloom launched a campaign to help people avoid mis-selling of pension schemes. It was very warmly welcomed by the press, particularly the Observer. It was the very first indication of the problem. An employee tape of the advice was produced for all human resource departments as part of a redundancy package.
>Bloom claims that most MEPs have "little or no business experience" and do not understand the consequences of their actions.
>Bloom told an interview that, "no self-respecting small businessman with a brain in the right place would ever employ a lady of child-bearing age." Around the same time, he said that "I just don't think [women] clean behind the fridge enough" and that "I am here to represent Yorkshire women who always have dinner on the table when you get home." Bloom told BBC Radio 4's Today that his comments were "said for fun" to illustrate a more serious point, that equal-rights legislation was in fact putting women out of work.
>Bloom was filmed at the 2009 United Nations Climate Change Conference in Copenhagen congratulating the French for bombing the Rainbow Warrior, a Greenpeace ship, in 1985.
It's quite mild, really. In some of these you can argue he's right. However, I live in East Yorkshire and whenever he's in the local media he comes across like a complete knobhead.
On another note, from looking at the Wikipedia page history for their entry on Bongo Bongo Land it seems it was only created because of his comments. It's still awaiting a citation that it's derogatory and on speculation that the name comes from bongo drums.
|>>|| No. 4964
You appear to have omitted a bunch of  tags there.
|>>|| No. 4965
The only one I missed copying was one at the end of the mis-selling of pensions schemes.
|>>|| No. 4966
>"Bongo Bongo land" is right out of the same dictionary as "fuzzy-wuzzy" or "jungle-bunny", a long-established piece of classically racist language dating back at least a hundred years or so.
Utter bollocks. You are posting absolute bollocks. Complete twaddle.
Jungle bunny is a racist American term from the 60's. Fuzzy wuzzy was a nickname for a Beja tribe that's no worse than referring to Germans as The Hun or Jerry during the First World War. If the term Bongo Bong Land is a 'long-established piece of classically racist language' then you should be able to easily prove it; it is not an antiquated term from the days of Are Empire. To quote an earlier post in the thread:
>Just because you erroneously think something sounds racist doesn't actually make it racist
|>>|| No. 4967
Mate, you can use it. I doubt whether the word is racist or not would really change your mind anyway.
|>>|| No. 4968
The Graun fluff pieces about Bloom are dire and they have, quite rightly, been savaged BTL.
|>>|| No. 4971
No, the police have decided to start enforcing long-standing laws that criminalise a crippling lack of imagination.
|>>|| No. 4973
Judging by the quotes, he didn't say anything outrageous except for this bit about feminism. It is undeniably true that many men are dirty pigs with no concept of hygiene and many women are not very tech-savvy.
|>>|| No. 4974
You won't be saying that after they throw you in the gulags for posting on a forum that Chelsea are a plastic club with plastic fans or for Tweeting that Rio is a bit of a cunt or that Torres dives like a girl.
|>>|| No. 4975
What's wrong with that? Women only get mad at the toilet seat being left up because they don't always look before sitting down and sometimes fall in. Nowt to do with hygiene.
|>>|| No. 4976
It is, actually. If you flush with the lid up specks of shit and wee come flying out of the toilet.
|>>|| No. 4978
Well aye but you don't sit around for the bog to finish its work before repositioning the seat/lid do you?
Lid should always be down on a toilet lest it's in use tbh..
|>>|| No. 4979
I’m loath to enter Godfrey Bloom’s childish world of stereotypes (“Ukip MEP disparages women drivers, feminists … and mild-mannered men”, 21 August) but just to make a point I played in three consecutive rugby league Universities Athletic Union finals, am still involved widely in many sports, and also support the goals of feminism.
I admit I leave the toilet seat up, but my wife (probably known to Mr Bloom as “the little woman”) also refuses to conform to stereotype and never mentions it. Neither of us have knowingly had sand kicked in our faces.
--Michael O’Hare, Northwood, Middlesex
Gosh, a real man reading The Independent (letter, 22 August)? What next?
--Godfrey Bloom MEP (Ukip, Yorkshire and the Humber), Wressle, East Riding of Yorkshire
He's such a prick.
|>>|| No. 4980
Nope, that just ensures that whatever godawful stench you made in the toilet bowl only sticks around to greet the next person who uses the loo. Smells don't dissipate without ventilation. Leave the lid up.
|>>|| No. 4983
There's no stench unless you leave skidmarks or your toilet is defective. If you take a shit you should make a quick check and use the brush if necessary. The basin should have some toilet duck put in it at least once a fortnight too.
But really I hate selfish toilet users.
|>>|| No. 4984
Or the residents of the house you're staying in are male and apparently make godawful shits of such a reek that you can most definitely smell it hours after you know the toilet was last used? Admittedly their house isn't spotlessly clean and their toilets are a bit gross to begin with, but my housemate does it to my scrupulously clean toilet and the toilet always smells more when he's left the lid down on it.
Furthermore, the brush is not for cleaning shit out of the toilet. It's for scrubbing the toilet with once you've chucked a load of cleaner down it; the idea of using a toilet brush to rid a loo of stubborn skidmarks and then putting it back in the holder without first dumping it in a load of bleach makes me fucking shudder.
I bet you do that, don't you? You wipe your shit all over a toilet brush and then just put it straight back in its little holder, for your shit-germs to colonise and multiply among the bristles.
"/ocd"? Fuck off.
|>>|| No. 4985
No, I scrape with the brush, hold it in the basin for a second mini flush then put it back in the holder which is a well of disinfectant.
|>>|| No. 4988
He admits that he enjoys winding up Guardianistas and the like because they always take the bait. It's just IRL trolling.
|>>|| No. 4990
Acceptable, but I'd still only live with you if you changed that disinfectant at least every two weeks.
|>>|| No. 5038
Really? I can't say it any more? How is Yid Army negative? I will say it when I get there.
|>>|| No. 5039
It's not really about Spurs fans saying Yid, it's about Chelsea fans doing gas chamber impressions. Ajax have a similar co-opted Jewish association, which has led to some very ugly scenes with rival fans chanting "We hate the Jews" and giving the Nazi salute. There's a very real risk that football rivalries can normalise anti-Semitism.
|>>|| No. 5040
Just like there's a very real risk that schoolkids drawing swastikas on school desks will start world war three I assume.
|>>|| No. 5041
How exactly do you do a gas chamber impression?
|>>|| No. 5042
It is bullshit. You can't cure racist in football because the fans themselves are racist scums and the dregs of society. All these laws are trying to do is making football more middle-class. This has been the case since the 80s.
|>>|| No. 5043
You only have to look to Italy to see that it's a serious concern. Two Spurs fans were stabbed in Rome last year in an attack that the Italian police treated as an anti-Semitic incident. Paolo Di Canio is covered in fascist tattoos; In 2010 he attended the funeral of Paolo Signorelli, a fascist terrorist who had been convicted for his involvement in the Bologna massacre in which 85 people died.
There were clear historical links in Britain between football firms and groups like the National Front and Combat 18. Do you not remember when banana throwing and monkey chants were commonplace in British football?
|>>|| No. 5045
I don't think you have any idea how the word yid and tottenham hotspur are related.
|>>|| No. 5046
Why should I give a shit whose funerals Paolo Di Canio goes to?
|>>|| No. 5047
Fans are always getting stabbed in Rome. They're notorious arse stabbers.
|>>|| No. 5048
You shouldn't, it was flavour of the month in the media when he got the Mackems job. The only people who care are those who have no interest in football, like when Richard Keys and Andy Gray were sacked.
|>>|| No. 5049
Thought as much.
Now if you'll excuse me I'm going to go and protest about Kyle Walker and his promotion of recreational drugs.
|>>|| No. 5061
You can't even call a slut a slut anymore.
PC gone mad.
|>>|| No. 5062
The fact that you didn't sage this makes me think you're serious. I really hope that's not the case.
|>>|| No. 5064
Yet again ARE GODFREY gets a bum deal.
Though, since we're on /spo/, I suppose the rainbow laces thing deserves some mention. Right behind gay footballers. Personally, I don't mind being right behind gay footballers, but quite frankly if you haven't worked out the punchline by now there's really no hope for you.
|>>|| No. 5073
I have no idea how many clubs wore them. It looked like a very poorly organised gimmick.
Di Canio has gone. It was likely to end in tears, but the Director of Football buying a load of shite didn't help.
|>>|| No. 5137
>Manchester United has apologised after a 'swastika-style' logo was sent out to fans in a newsletter alongside the Nazi affiliated title "New Order". The similarities between the logo, which spelt out the letters MUFC, and the Nazi symbol were pointed out after United Uncovered was issued via email.
What similarities? Crying racism has become its own industry.
|>>|| No. 5139
I was just scrolling down /*/ and I have to admit that on my first pass I did think that was some kind of swastika.
Sage for footy-plebs.
|>>|| No. 5142
Same. I thought it was some new right-wing magazine/newsletter.
|>>|| No. 5143
But then you stopped to actually look at it and realised it's nothing like a swastika? It's certainly not something worth apologising for, this stinks of Baddiel.
|>>|| No. 5144
This one looks a lot like swastika. When you tilt your head and squint. And scroll past it on a webpage. When will Pope finally apologise for this poor design decision?
|>>|| No. 5145
That would make three of us, then.
BAN THIS SICK FILTH, I say.
|>>|| No. 5147
Well, swatika has a cross in it. What else do you need? Also, "One Lord, one faith, one baptism" sounds really similar to "Ein Volk, ein Reich, ein Führer" to me.
|>>|| No. 5148
>What else do you need?
A bunch more lines.
If you want to call the pope a nazi that's fine with me, mind.
|>>|| No. 5149
Kinda crazy how thousands of people wear a representation of a method of execution on little necklaces.
|>>|| No. 5150
Well, MU's logo needs way less lines to look remotely like swastika. It didn't stop people from complaining.
If you're bad at grasping very simple symbolical meanings, yes.
|>>|| No. 5151
Why are you being so defensive about this? It does obviously look a bit like a swastika, as several people here noticed. Some idiot complained. Who the fuck cares?
|>>|| No. 5153
Yes. I suppose that's the problem. Maybe they did it on purpose so that people look at it a second time, more carefully. Anyway, why are you so hung up on this? It does look like a Swastika, a bit.
|>>|| No. 5154
It doesn't look anything like a swastika - what made people make the connection is that it has the same form as a swastika. Straight, bold, diagonally parallel black lines in a vaguely square formation.
|>>|| No. 5156
I just described how it's different.
The Wright Brothers plane has the same form as a Boeing 747 but it looks nothing like it.
|>>|| No. 5354
>West Brom's Nicolas Anelka faces a minimum five-match ban if found guilty by the Football Association of making the controversial "quenelle" gesture.
>The striker made the sign, described as an inverted Nazi salute, after scoring against West Ham on 28 December. Anelka was given a 34-page document detailing the allegations and has until 18:00 GMT on Thursday to respond.
34 pages. How do you fill 34 pages on what was originally an anti-establishment gesture about how far your hand is up someone's arse?
|>>|| No. 5355
Christ. They've got David Baddiel whining about it on Newsnight. He should go back to trying to wind up Spurs fans.
|>>|| No. 5428
Sol's now saying if he was white he'd have been the England captain for over a decade, instead of Shearer - Beckham - Terry. I don't think he's ever going to run out of things to cry racism about.
|>>|| No. 5496
Ian Wright and Steve McManaman on BT Sport accused Andre Marriner of being racist for sending off Gibbs instead of the Ox because THEY ALL LOOK SAME TO ME, BRUV.
|>>|| No. 5497
Was watching the game with my mate's, they started saying it was racist too. Fucking annoys me, he's a bit brown but he's not black as the night and he didn't see his name and number, so the obvious way of identifying someone is his looks.
|>>|| No. 5498
Sorry about that, phone thinks it knows what's good fir me.
|>>|| No. 5499
It's probably racism through ignorance of not being able to tell the difference between two young mixed-raced men who are the same size and have the same haircut in the blink of an eye from a distance, or whatever they like to call it when they cry about it.
|>>|| No. 5500
The FA can certainly put it right, as there is precedent for this. Preston had the wrong man sent off, and the FA overturned the red card and banned the other guy. That case was even more painful, because the other guy had gone on to score the winning goal in the game.
|>>|| No. 5559
>A footballer who made a homophobic gesture to Brighton and Hove Albion supporters has been found guilty. Colin Kazim-Richards mimicked pulling his shorts down and put his left arm behind his bottom at the match last February, Brighton magistrates heard.
Is putting your hand on your bottom homophobic or is this being classed as homophobic purely because it's Brighton?
|>>|| No. 5560
Who's the gay answer to Rio Ferdinand, and what does he think?
|>>|| No. 5562
Despite appearances to the contrary, the Honourable Sulzeer J. Campbell is not actually a bumder.
|>>|| No. 5750
It's a wordfilter for football. I deleted my post when I realised what was happening, sorry about that. If anyone wants to read it just change the word archaeology.
|>>|| No. 5752
Was the word filter because of the teenlads on /job/ moaning about pedestrian conversations?
|>>|| No. 5753
I believe it was put in place quite a while ago due to a humorous discourse on "Imagine if every day when you went into work everyone was talking about archaeology, and there was an archaeology results bit at the end of the news every day" and so on and so forth. It was rather good.
|>>|| No. 5756
That's because sex is great. What are you, asexual? Bloody poof.
|>>|| No. 5759
Speaking of Rio, I don't think his decision to go into music after leaving United was a wise one.
|>>|| No. 5799
Whenever I see Psy music videos I can already picture them in retrospective talking head shows about the noughties/teens.
|>>|| No. 5968
>An England fan had his ear bitten off in a vicious attack by another supporter after the national side's World Cup loss to Uruguay.
>A video which appeared on the Sunday People website shows the victim's neck covered in blood after he was set upon by a fellow England fan following the team's 2-1 defeat to Uruguay. With his left ear horrifically injured, he turns and tells the camera: 'He bit my ear off and called me a black ****.'
|>>|| No. 6190
Surprised he's not gone to Totenham really.
|>>|| No. 6193
He's the go-to guy for anti-semitism in football. Plus, he keeps trying to wind Spurs fans up by getting the word yid banned.
|>>|| No. 6242
On the arrival of South Korean international Kim Bo-Kyung:
"Fkn chinkys. Fk it. There's enough dogs in Cardiff for us all to go around."
On football agent Phil Smith:
"Go on, fat Phil. Nothing like a Jew that sees money slipping through his fingers"
On transfer target list:
"Not many white faces amongst that lot but worth considering."
On a player's female agent:
"I hope she's looking after your needs. I bet you'd love a bounce on her falsies."
On an official at another club:
"He's a snake, a gay snake. Not to be trusted"
To members of Cardiff's staff:
A picture entitled 'Black Monopoly' - where every square was a "Go to Jail" square
New season, new drama.
|>>|| No. 6243
I'm surprised that's all there is. You'd think there'd be something in there about Tan. I can only assume the Mail didn't report it because it's hard to get outraged about it when the victim is as deserving as he is.
|>>|| No. 6245
>lovely falsies you'd love to have a go on
They do have a point. There's no way those teeth are natural.
|>>|| No. 6246
"I'm not homophobic, I'm not racist, I'm not antisemitic...".
No, you just say homophobic, racist and antisemitic things with absolute serenity.
|>>|| No. 6249
Yes, of course. It's a very clear attempt to use someone's sexuality to undermine them.
|>>|| No. 6250
I'm not sure most people know enough about the sexual orientations of snakes to be able to figure that out.
|>>|| No. 6252
Haha! He's funny. I feel bad for feeling bad for him when he got bullied by Tan. He deserved it.
|>>|| No. 6253
Because the hairy and smelly of this world are very rarely beaten and shunned by society for being as such, and the Judeo-Christian culture in which we live has almost never gone out of it's way to condemn the smelly and hairy. And if the smelly and hairy are so maligned they can always think about having a shave or buying a new deodorant, whereas the homosexual can at best subject themselves to a futile and profoundly damaging "conversion therapy".
Wanna' fire off another slow one, champ? I can knock these for 6 all evening.
Indeed, as a snake biologist I often bemused at the unwillingness people display to garner even the slightest iota of understanding regarding snake biology.
|>>|| No. 6254
How did Cardiff get a hold of all these messages? Should I delete my texts? I'm scared.
|>>|| No. 6255
>Because the hairy and smelly of this world are very rarely beaten and shunned by society for being as such
You've never actually had to deal with someone hairy and smelly, have you?
Purps, how does "hairy and smelly" sound as a word-filter for "gay" and the like?
|>>|| No. 6257
>You'd think there'd be something in there about Tan. I can only assume the Mail didn't report it because it's hard to get outraged about it when the victim is as deserving as he is.
Backpage of the Daily Mail today is the headline that he called Tan a chinky. He handled it terribly, but you can't blame for Tan treating him the way he did considering the way Mackay squandered his money; £600k agent fees on a £600k transfer and authorising payments to agents when there's no actual evidence they were involved in the deal.
You've got to admire the way he's got his revenge. Remind me never to cross him.
|>>|| No. 6258
>Backpage of the Daily Mail today is the headline that he called Tan a chinky.
Really? That's the worst he said about him? Surely he deserved far worse than that.
>you can't blame for Tan treating him the way he did considering the way Mackay squandered his money; £600k agent fees on a £600k transfer and authorising payments to agents when there's no actual evidence they were involved in the deal.
Do we know that this happened and hasn't been made up after the fact by Tan? It's just that if it is true then in effect you're asking us to have sympathy for a Bond villain. For some time the thinking had been that a miscommunication somewhere along the line was responsible for the supposed overspend, namely over whether the transfer budget included additional expenses or not.
|>>|| No. 6290
>Warning: There is a picture near the bottom of this story containing words which some readers may find offensive.
|>>|| No. 6302
>Ched Evans should be allowed to play football again when he is released from prison, says Professional Footballers' Association chief Gordon Taylor.
>The Wales striker, 25, was jailed for five years for rape in April 2012 but is due to be released early this month. More than 90,000 people have signed a petition calling on Evans' former club Sheffield United not to re-employ him.
There's going to be a shitstorm coming on this one.
In other news, Are Sol is considering standing for the Tories. I think he'll do anything to put off getting those coaching badges, which Sol seems to think are less important than race in actually securing a coaching job.
|>>|| No. 6306
It looks worse the smaller the image is. At the resolution the BBC had it, it may have attracted complaints because it certainly looks indecent at fist glance.
|>>|| No. 6314
>There's going to be a shitstorm coming on this one.
The veteran TV presenter said: "He's served his time. The rape and I am not, please, by any means minimising any kind of rape - but the rape was not violent. He didn’t cause any bodily harm to the person."
Judy went on: "'It was unpleasant, in a hotel room, I believe, and she was – she had far too much to drink. And you know, that is reprehensible, but he has been convicted and he has served his time.
"Now when he comes out, what are we supposed to do? Just actually refuse to let him do his job? Again, even though he has already been punished?"
Are Judy should have known better than trying to be rational when discussing a rape case.
|>>|| No. 6316
I think it's actually the first thing she's done since Richard and Judy finished in 2008. You don't go on Loose Women and have the temerity to say that criminals should be able to try and contribute back into society and lead productive lives instead of being shunned for the rest of their lives or, failing that, flogged and hanged.
|>>|| No. 6317
I'd agree with this, though #2 might require a few pints first.
|>>|| No. 6318
I was going to explain how you're wrong, but then I observed your claim that footballers contribute to society, and I realised just how thick you really are.
|>>|| No. 6319
Professional footballers are paid wages. They pay tax on those wages. They contribute towards merchandise sales, on which VAT is payable. They contribute towards a team performance that affects gate receipts. Even the silly money spent on transfers is taxed. If that's not contributing to society, complain to the government for pissing all that revenue away.
|>>|| No. 6320
footballers get paid millions to cheat while ARE nurses work 100 hours a week for nuffink!
lyk if you cry evrytym!
|>>|| No. 6321
It's more over that it's a massive cultural gutter, completely devoid of decency, and a bastion for thugs, imbeciles and, oh yes, rapists.
Of course, from my last point you could argue it brings people together, but the only time people of that caliber ought to be bundled together is right before they're all pushed off a cliff into the raging ocean. Their racial slurs muffled by the endless smashing of sea onto rock...
|>>|| No. 6322
Either prisoners are rehabilitated and you let them integrate back into society or you just don't bother releasing them.
What Ched Evans did is no worse than Luke McCormick, current captain of Plymouth, who killed two children while driving drunk or Lee Hughes, who also killed someone driving and then fled the scene but has been welcomed back because he's got a good goalscoring ratio.
|>>|| No. 6324
I always find it amusing when people advocate genocide for racists. They never see the irony.
|>>|| No. 6325
I'm just passing by and I share you sentiments exactly.
I chuckled about the previous two posts, one claiming that they pay tax. Any rich sleazy cunt with half a brain will try to alleviate the tax on their gains in anyway they can. They get most of their earnings from sponsorships anyway, cheap whores ready to shill away any shred of dignity they had to get another floor on one of their mansions.
|>>|| No. 6328
I suppose all sportsmen and women who take sponsorship money are shills as well, are they?
|>>|| No. 6330
I wouldn't use the word "shill", but do people really deserve gwibdillions of pounds for peddling really fast and way long?
|>>|| No. 6333
>They get most of their earnings from sponsorships anyway, cheap whores ready to shill away any shred of dignity they had to get another floor on one of their mansions.
That's probably true for top, top players. Would you class Ched Evans as a top, top player?
|>>|| No. 6334
My favourite is the one along the lines of 'A footballer gets tapped on the ankle and goes down like he's been shot. A soldier has all his arms and legs blown off and still carries on. A soldier earns £18,000 a year. A footballer earns £18,000 a second. Share if you think this is a disgrace, 99% of you won't have the guts to.'
|>>|| No. 6335
Starting shit between football hooligans and militarists, this is a brilliant idea. Everyone wins.
|>>|| No. 6338
No and I don't know who he was until I googled him. A rapist no less. Give him a raise! Luckily he's in prison, getting different kinds of scores to the back of his net.
|>>|| No. 6341
>A rapist no less
Alleged rapist. He still maintains his innocence and every discussion I've seen on the matter thinks it's an odd case - Evans and his mate (another footballer) fuck a drunk lass and when she wakes up the next day, naked and confused, she can't remember whether she consented or not. Evans is found guilty but his mate, who did the exact same thing to her, is acquitted.
Either way, he's served his sentence and should be able to work for any football club which chooses to employ him.
|>>|| No. 6343
Only if I get my 6 trillion for that lays/doritos/durex/LG deal.
|>>|| No. 6344
Do they have Walkers on the continent or is just Seppos who have Lays?
|>>|| No. 6345
I can't say whether or not he really is innocent, but certainly either his conviction was highly questionable or the other guy got away with rape. By the admission of everyone involved, both defendants and the victim, there wasn't room to get a fag paper between what the two of them each did in that hotel room.
More importantly, as you say his conviction stands and his sentence is deemed served. It's time to let him get on with his life.
|>>|| No. 6352
They have Lays in France and Germany for sure, I'd assume it applies to the rest of Europe (sans UK).
|>>|| No. 6354
I assume the people being mean to him in the Daily Mail comments will be banged up for 'trolling'.
|>>|| No. 6355
I was actually at the game as it happens (Bradfudlad). They were singing "he rapes who he wants" not "he does what he wants". Lovely lads the Blades fans.
|>>|| No. 6357
Quick! Arrest them for oh right, I see someone else made that joke already.
|>>|| No. 6392
No redemption for anyone, any criminal ever should be shipped off to Mars.
|>>|| No. 6393
I don't think believing that a convicted rapist shouldn't be able to walk straight out of prison and into the role of a successful and respected public figure is quite the same as saying "any criminal ever should be shipped off to Mars", mate.
|>>|| No. 6395
Yeah, what we need is is more celebrities with no prospects AND to burden business and individuals with more regulation.
|>>|| No. 6396
It's probably the same crazy feminists who made that scientist cry for wearing a shirt with cartoon women on, which his kinky friend had made especially for him.
If he gets acquitted on his appeal there will be an absolute shitstorm.
|>>|| No. 6398
Yes, I suppose technically he's a rapist, in much the same way that if you drunkenly lend someone a CD then regret it the following morning they're a thief.
|>>|| No. 6399
Yeah, and I suppose you're technically a cunt, in much the same way someone who compares a violent sexual assault to lending someone an Elbow record is a massive prick.
|>>|| No. 6400
>regret it the following morning
From what I've read the issue in this case is that she simply couldn't remember. She was known to have an issue where getting drunk would lead to memory loss; in this instance the CCTV footage and blood tests have confirmed in she wasn't so drunk that she couldn't function or not give consent. That's why the morning after she was distressed and confused about waking up alone and naked in a hotel room - she couldn't even remember the definitely consensual sex she had with the other player.
|>>|| No. 6403
>she couldn't even remember the definitely consensual sex she had with the other player.
So definite that he also stood trial for rape? You can't sensibly assert as certain truth the same jury exercised flawless judgement in relation to one defendant and not the other.
|>>|| No. 6404
Yes. The chronology was apparently that the other one had met her while out drinking, they went back to the hotel, then had more drinks after Chedwyn arrived. The other only guy got off because his lawyer crafted reasonable doubt by arguing that sex was possibly in mind before they got back to the hotel. Otherwise he too would have found himself convicted on what was effectively a technicality.
|>>|| No. 6405
>violent sexual assault
Are we talking about the same footballer?
|>>|| No. 6406
Rape's always violent, innit. Must be because some comment on the DM said so.
|>>|| No. 6407
>The Professional Footballers' Association of Ireland has come to the defence of convicted rapist and former Sheffield United footballer Ched Evans, suggesting that he could be innocent and that, even if guilty, he deserves a chance of redemption.
>The association's solicitor Stuart Gilhooly wrote an article on its website that refers to Evans' crime as alleged, despite the fact he was found guilty in court in April 2012 of raping a 19-year-old woman in a hotel room in Rhyl, North Wales and sentenced to five years in prison.
>"This crime, as alleged, was at the bottom end. There was no violence and thankfully the victim has no recollection of it. This, I hasten to add, does not make it right, or anything close to it, but it is nonetheless a mitigating factor. It's not easy to muster up too much sympathy for Evans but there is surely nothing worse than being accused of a crime which you genuinely believe you didn't commit. The argument against that is that a jury convicted him of the crime. The same applied to the Guildford Four and the Birmingham Six. They got no public sympathy either. Maybe he is guilty or perhaps he's innocent, none of us knows for sure. Surely, either way, he deserves a chance at redemption. Don't we all?"
This is just going to carry on until the appeal.
|>>|| No. 6408
Ched Evans is absolutely entitled to take up his position at Sheffield United so long as they agree to do so. He's a free man, who's done his time.
|>>|| No. 6409
Oh, and this is ignoring his name is fucking Ched.
|>>|| No. 6410
Yeah, this isn't fucking South Carolina; this simply will not do.
|>>|| No. 6412
He has done his time. What do they want him to do now? Become a dolescum? What is wrong with people? Jesus.
|>>|| No. 6413
Short for Chedwyn, the bloody Welsh.
Mate, he RAPED* someone. It's evidently the worst crime imaginable in our society, as a player who killed two children was allowed to play again upon release from prison without even a tenth of the furore of this case.
* I fully expect him to win his appeal, I don't see how you can say beyond a reasonable doubt that she didn't consent if she doesn't remember either way. The report on CrimeLine suggests that the jury were directed to believe that someone who is drunk couldn't consent and also having no memory of the events meant she couldn't have consented.
|>>|| No. 6414
Exactly. It's a travesty that the bastard wasn't publicly castrated and then set on fire whilst being crucified, because he's definitely an aggressive predator who, since our legal system has failed, will be roaming the streets and aggressively perforating innocent women's hymens at will, at least several dozen a week, with his permanent rape-boner coated with the lubricant of pure evil and malice.
|>>|| No. 6416
Don't be silly, lad. You crucify him first, then set him on fire. Elfen safe tea, innit. Don't want to burn the executioners.
|>>|| No. 6417
Yeah, except no where near that kind of hyperbole has been leveled at him, and all points made have been entirely reasonable.
You know, I heard 4chan has an opening, if you're interested in fucking off.
(A good day to you Sir!)
|>>|| No. 6421
After hiring Malky before the enquiry into his sexist/homophobic/racist comments, Dave Whelan has told the Graun he believes “Jewish people chase money more than everybody else. I don’t think that’s offensive at all” and the word “chink” is not offensive, and that he used to say it of Chinese people when he was young. “If any Englishman said he has never called a Chinaman a chink he is lying,” Whelan said. “There is nothing bad about doing that. It is like calling the British Brits, or the Irish paddies.”
|>>|| No. 6422
Sorry, lads, that last post of mine is an abomination.
|>>|| No. 6431
I still refer to a Chinese takeaway as a Chinky. Does that make me racist?
|>>|| No. 6434
Well sort of, yeah. I mean, unless you're the kind of person who struggles with anything more than duo-syllabic words you really don't have an excuse.
|>>|| No. 6437
I call curry 'wog diarrhea' if that counts.
Not really, but it's hard to think of something 'racist' to call a curry.
|>>|| No. 6438
I call Snickers bars "shitskin bars", I mean who the fuck cares? Snickers bars aren't people!
[Disclaimer] You are most definitely a cunt or a troll if you don't realise why that isn't acceptable.
|>>|| No. 6439
If the Snickers bar self-identifies as a person then for all intensive purposes it's a person.
|>>|| No. 6442
What's so bad about calling a Chinese takeaway a Chinky? It doesn't seem any worse to me than using 'Paki shop' - they're both terms of endearment, like affectionately calling a mate dickhead. I get there's a bit of a hoo-hah in some quarters about using Paki, even though it's just like using Brit, because of skinheads going around twatting Pakis but I'm not aware of any similar connotations for Chink.
You'll have to bear with me; I didn't grow up in an enriched area nor do I spend my time finding tenuous links to racism so I can get offended on other people's behalf, so I'm not up to speed with my racist vernacular.
|>>|| No. 6444
>nor do I spend my time finding tenuous links to racism so I can get offended on other people's behalf
No one really does this.
|>>|| No. 6445
Chink and chinky are holdovers from the institutional racism of Imperialist Britain. Paki is synonymous with racism and is used as a racist slur in all corners of the UK.
Context is important, obviously, but you are a sheltered and criminally misinformed individual who I doubt uses these terms in front of Chinese/Pakistani people so your feigned indignation can take a run and jump.
|>>|| No. 6447
Tumblr is the hive of "I've never been personally affected by this but nevertheless it's a disgrace" wankery you're thinking of. Twitter is just for mass collective circle-jerking easier.
It's actually quite disgusting in its own right the amount of people on there, usually perfectly normal middle class white girls, who claim to have all kinds of weird made up mental defects and/or disabilities so that they can wear the shield of victimhood, and take up the role of an online justice crusader for things that they really have a tragically limited understanding of. Pure narcissism of the worst sort.
|>>|| No. 6448
My mate at school used to refer to himself as a Paki because it was just a contraction of Pakistani, which is a bit of a mouthful.
I seldom refer to people by national titles anyway. I'm an antinationalist.
|>>|| No. 6451
I went to school with Asian lads who had no qualms with being called Paki or calling us names about being white. There was absolutely no malice involved, in my experience it's only prudish white jobsworth types getting offended on behalf of others.
|>>|| No. 6452
This particularly annoys me about your Johann Hari types. They have this vision of the working class as being incapable of defending themselves on any sort of intellectual level. Hari had a good old moan about mocking chavs, because it meant mocking what he perceived as the working class; he really had no fucking idea what he was talking about.
The morality of using the word 'Paki' is a thoroughly middle-class concern. A working class person shows they're not racist by treating people the same no matter their colour, whatever words they use; a ruling class person never shows they are racist, but helps or hinders an ethnic group however they see fit, without oversight. The only impotent middle class grizzles about morality.
|>>|| No. 6453
Can you lot stop being racist please?
|>>|| No. 6454
>I went to school with Asian lads who had no qualms
And therefore that should be good enough for all Asian people.
|>>|| No. 6455
You mean it's not good enough for you. The language you use only needs to be acceptable for the people with whom you interact.
|>>|| No. 6456
It's only racist if you're uptight about the word Paki. Lighten up a bit, lad. Not everything has to be serious.
|>>|| No. 6457
You can't really go around calling people Pakis and thinking it's OK, lad. Sorry.
|>>|| No. 6458
You can if you avoid groups of them and particularly tough looking ones.
|>>|| No. 6459
It entirely depends on the context. To speak in absolute terms and say the word Paki is always racist is utterly bonkers.
|>>|| No. 6460
Yeah, but then they get the feeling of being bullied and realise that the only people they'll ever have power over are teenage girls, and we all know how well that worked out.
|>>|| No. 6461
Stop being racist, lad. Your dad, uncles and aunts never got chased around the estate by drunk Paki-bashers wearing steel-toed boots. So no mate. Paki isn't just like saying Brit.
|>>|| No. 6462
> Your dad, uncles and aunts never got chased around the estate by drunk Paki-bashers wearing steel-toed boots
So you're letting the racist skinheads win, then? Sorry, but I have a bit more character than that; I'd rather reclaim the word from the racists than let their abhorrent behaviour dictate what I can and cannot say.
|>>|| No. 6463
Right, because we didn't live on an estate. I didn't realise I needed permission to call my compatriots by a name of my choosing, but I'm glad you've clued me in. It'd have been a real faux pas if I'd said the wrong thing in front of whitey.
|>>|| No. 6465
There's nothing wrong with the English flag, unless you're a Labour MP.
|>>|| No. 6466
I have an Asian mate who doesn't mind being called a paki.
That doesn't mean the word isn't synonymous with racism. I'm assuming Chinky is realised as old world racism at this point?
|>>|| No. 6467
The English flag is used for no other reason than to illustrate to other people that you are a racist.
|>>|| No. 6468
Unless it is an international footballing week. When you can wave it around without being racist.
|>>|| No. 6471
I forget his name now, but I got on very well with him. I just thought I'd throw that in at the start there.
|>>|| No. 6476
Is saying that a Jew is tight with money worse than saying a Yorkshireman is tight with money?
|>>|| No. 6477
Yes, as I don't recall thousands of years of anti-Yorkshire bigotry being used as ammunition for countless acts of oppression and victimisation. It's called context.
|>>|| No. 6478
The context is he's mocking himself. What's that got to do with 'ammunition for countless acts of oppression and victimisation'?
|>>|| No. 6479
Seeing all those insults written down on official letterhead still makes me chuckle to this day.
|>>|| No. 6480
Jews are notoriously good with money, though. Int medieval times they were only allowed to do positions such as money lending and tax collection (thank you Horrible Histories) so they became bloody good at financial matters. Is pointing out facts offensive?
|>>|| No. 6481
Those financial skills actually became embedded in the genetic code of successive generations of Jews, so it is perfectly valid to to make such broad claims.
|>>|| No. 6483
This. Also, what's wrong with saying Jews are good with money? It's a compliment, if anything.
THEM BLOODY JEWS, GOING AROUND BEING FISCALLY RESPONSIBLE. IT MAKES ME SICK.
|>>|| No. 6484
Yeah, what's wrong with that? It's only like saying negroes are good at picking cotton. Who doesn't want to be good at picking cotton?
|>>|| No. 6485
Can you actually prove that black people are especially adept at picking cotton? I don't recall the ships sailing to Africa because they were informed 'shit, lads, these brown folks' ability to pick cotton is off the scale! We must take them to our plantations in the colonies.'
Jewish people are so good at managing money that they rule the world. If black people were so fantastic at cotton picking then where is the legacy and why isn't their a vast black cotton picking empire now? There's nothing to show for it.
(A good day to you Sir!)
|>>|| No. 6488
I love the fact that the whole money thing is evil but sucking baby cock is just fine.
No Jewish newborns were harmed in the making of this joke.
|>>|| No. 6489
I wasn't really complaining, I just wanted to try posting something to see if there was a comedy ban message.
|>>|| No. 6491
>The Canadian Foreskin Awareness Project (CAN-FAP)
How do they not spot these things before publishing?
|>>|| No. 6493
I don't think fap is used much outside of imageboards and reddit. Or, they knew exactly what they were doing.
|>>|| No. 6496
>Seems reasonable to me
If a black man adopted by Jewish parents can't make a lighthearted remark about blacks and Jews then who can? It's completely innocuous and not in the same league as what Galliano said, or indeed abuse Balotelli has endured in his native Italy; God knows what would happen if there was proper racism in sport in this country, like you get on the continent, instead of having to resort into making a mountain out of a molehill about a tame Twitter post.
|>>|| No. 6497
Maybe if you could make a single post without your own bigotries seeping through, you might be taken more seriously.
|>>|| No. 6498
Oh fuck off.
Why do these people exist? Everyone's so up their own arse about everything these days, get a life.
|>>|| No. 6499
Stirling response, I'll refrain from calling you any names though, as it's clear to all how much of a cock-head you are.
(A good day to you Sir!)
|>>|| No. 6500
David has said in the past that Victoria and he discuss what they're going to write in their Graun columns, mainly so they don't end up covering the same topic. It's not exactly a great leap of logic to presume that Victoria, a woman of Jewish descent and who almost certainly wears the trousers in their relationship, harangues him into writing about this incident, such as Jews are prone to do at the merest whiff of anything they, often erroneously, construe as antisemitism.
The amount of coverage the Guardian have given this you'd have thought Balotelli had gone around trying to recreate a one-man Kristallnacht.
|>>|| No. 6501
He used a word. You didn't like that word.
Nobody needs to know or really cares.
|>>|| No. 6502
Balotelli can be as racist as he wants because of all the racism he faces in Italy.
|>>|| No. 6503
Good job he wasn't been racist then.
Would you not say that opinion pieces from David Mitchell, David Baddiel, Barney Ronay (an actual sports journalist) and Marina Hyde in one paper, based on the Tweet posted earlier in the thread, is excessive?
|>>|| No. 6504
You want to see excessive, wait until the articles about that shit start rolling in, bastard!
|>>|| No. 6505
Why do people take issue with the anti-semitism, but not all the other racial stereotypes in the tweet?
|>>|| No. 6506
The 'looks like a Mexican' bit is, I suppose, the stereotype that Mexicans have big moustaches. Not particularly offensive.
The 'jumps like a black man' bit is obviously blunted when it's coming from a black man. And if it's true he was adopted by Jewish parents then those having a go at him clearly either don't know that, or don't think it makes any difference - in which case they should be taking issue with the 'black man' bit in equal measure.
|>>|| No. 6507
Because the anti-Jewish racism is the most damaging thing in there. There's not exactly a history of anti-Mexican sentiment in Europe, is there? And I doubt what little there is has much to do with their mustaches.
Nice try Jewhaterlad. Don't try to deny it, I can smell it on you.
|>>|| No. 6508
In my opinion Jews are well past the overdue date on handing in their "oppressed minority" card, they can't shriek OY VEY THE HOLOCAUST forever. Considering how Jews are pretty much just regular white people until they reveal otherwise, they can shut the fuck up.
|>>|| No. 6510
If it was a person who was constantly getting into dysfunctional relationships then you'd say that the common denominator was that person and it's them who was toxic, rather than every single person they've dated. However try and apply that to a group of people who have similar character traits and follow the same religion and all of a sudden it's racism, even though theyre not even a race.
(A good day to you Sir!)
|>>|| No. 6513
This is even more shameful and offensive than your anti-Semitism.
|>>|| No. 6514
And he forgot the comma after "however".
The fact that mods are tolerating this shows the lengths they'll go to applaud and encourage racism.
|>>|| No. 6518
Having a comma after the first word in a sentence is rather silly if you ask me.
|>>|| No. 6519
Why were claims of racism by black/brown players, etc, laughed off in this thread, but all hell breaks loose if the same level of racism is levelled against Jewish people? Is there like a league table of racism? The higher up you are the table, the bigger the outrage against the racists.
Or maybe people just hate Balotelli.
|>>|| No. 6520
>Or maybe people just hate Balotelli
It's almost as if they've forgotten how much of a massive idiot he is.
|>>|| No. 6521
The JIDF have probably infiltrated us; there must be only so many times you can mention Baddiel, as his name will never be brought up in a positive manner, without triggering one of their warning systems.
|>>|| No. 6528
When I first hear those mad lyrics I do think "that's fucked up, he's stabbing her?", but then by the end I'm usually thinking "oohh, he's killing himself... wait that's still fucked".
Creepy song either way. I bet you any money Tom Jones is a nonce.
|>>|| No. 6530
I don't understand your thought process there. Where is the killing himself?
|>>|| No. 6552
According to whom? Me and my missus play cock or no cock all the time and ships trans.
|>>|| No. 6554
According to the Press Association, trannies on Twitter. Trannies on Twitter don't seem like the type to get easily offended.
|>>|| No. 6555
Like anything to do with political correctness, we're in the middle of a complicated set of social negotiations over what exactly is acceptable. Context and intent is crucial - I have no problem with my friends calling me a poof, but I wouldn't want someone shouting that word at me in the street. Football has chronic problems with ignorance, intolerance and bullying, so nobody in that world gets the benefit of the doubt yet. This incident needs to be seen in the broader context of the culture of professional football, where overt bigotry is unfortunately still commonplace.
|>>|| No. 6556
I'm assuming that, as with a lot of third-party outrage, you've reached your conclusions based on the press reports, and in doing so failed to notice that rather than targeting random transwomen and pointing and laughing they've actually used porn shots. Where's the identifiable harm here?
|>>|| No. 6557
I think you're over-analysing someone playing a game where you have to guess whether a cropped image is of a man or a woman.
It's a complete non-event.
|>>|| No. 6563
>A League One club will hold a press conference on Monday in relation to the signing of the convicted rapist Ched Evans, the Professional Footballers’ Association chief executive Gordon Taylor has revealed.
I reckon either Hartlepool, Oldham or Tranmere have had a change of heart now things have died down rather than it being another club - probably Oldham as they gave Lee Hughes his second chance after prison. IIRC, Evans said if he doesn't find a club he'll start his own decorating business.
|>>|| No. 6564
Maybe he should make an approach to Wigan. He'd have very little effect on their reputation given Whelan and Mackay would be the ones signing him.
|>>|| No. 6565
>the convicted rapist Ched Evans
Fuck's sake media, stop that shit already.
|>>|| No. 6566
A rape conviction is on the same level as saying gay snake, chingalings, that you'd like a go on a pair of lovely falsies or referring to black Monopoly? I haven't mentioned the Jews, as stating the obvious that they're good with money is scientific fact.
|>>|| No. 6567
I thought I'd look into Ched Evans as I didn't know anything about it, and admittedly I've only read his official website that is transparently attempting to get him off the charge, but I don't see how he could have been convicted if the facts of the case are as stated.
Firstly there's the obvious contradiction of both footballers having sex with the victim in the same instance and only one ending up branded a rapist.
Then the site makes a convincing case for how the woman was not drunk and incapable, given all the things she is shown doing on CCTV like paying for fast food, and the idea that she consumed more alcohol than it was testified she did is conjecture.
I suppose it hinges on her having no memory of the previous night and whether that constitutes being drunk enough to not be capable of consenting?
As I've been reading a biased website, does anyone know of one that 'makes the case for the prosecution', as it were?
|>>|| No. 6568
A woman has said he raped her. What more do you want? Proof? Facts? Hanging's too good for him.
|>>|| No. 6570
I have no time for your men-are-all-victims rhetoric, I'm trying to make an informed decision here.
|>>|| No. 6571
Whoops. I meant to add to my last post something helpful, like checking the court records.
|>>|| No. 6572
>Firstly there's the obvious contradiction of both footballers having sex with the victim in the same instance and only one ending up branded a rapist.
This is the troubling part. There are two potential options here, both of which are thoroughly unpleasant. On the one hand, someone might have just had to go through having a rape conviction, with all the stigma that follows, without having really done anything wrong. On the other, we might have allowed a rapist to walk free. If there is a difference, it's because Ched arrived at the hotel while Clayton was in medias res. Bear in mind that by that point she hadn't had anything to drink since some time before buying the pizza.
>Then the site makes a convincing case for how the woman was not drunk and incapable, given all the things she is shown doing on CCTV like paying for fast food, and the idea that she consumed more alcohol than it was testified she did is conjecture.
IIRC the expert report submitted to (and accepted by) the court ran to the effect that the levels found in the alcohol tests were not consistent with alcohol-induced amnesia. The conclusion was that she was inebriated but not incapacitated. She was drunk enough that she had forgotten about the pizza, but not too drunk to walk back to the taxi and then into the hotel again unaided.
>I suppose it hinges on her having no memory of the previous night and whether that constitutes being drunk enough to not be capable of consenting?
The trial judge specifically directed the jury to the contrary. They were explicitly told that they were not to take her not remembering to mean that it didn't happen. Unfortunately, this rules out an appeal, because if everyone else has done their job properly then English law presumes that the jury must be right. His first appeal was turned down because the judge was spot-on throughout and all the evidence pointed to was available to the jury.
>As I've been reading a biased website, does anyone know of one that 'makes the case for the prosecution', as it were?
It was a high-profile trial, and so it was reported in considerable detail in the press at the time. You could do worse than trying to find the reporting from back then, which includes the hotel CCTV (showing both her entry and Evans turning up later).
|>>|| No. 6573
The way they are treating Ched Evans is really making me angry. He did his time, whether he did rape her or not, he did his fucking time. What the fuck is he supposed to do now? Live under a bridge? Become homeless? How is he supposed to feed and clothe himself if he is cut off from society? What happened to rehabilitation? These cunts are a liberal version of ISIS. With ISIS at least they will kill you and spare you the nonsense of forcing you out of every job you try to get into.
|>>|| No. 6574
Well, so far he has actually done half his time and is now out on license. So technically still doing it.
|>>|| No. 6575
Not the point.
He's not getting fair treatment because he's a footballer.
|>>|| No. 6576
>Well, so far he has actually done half his time and is now out on license. So technically still doing it.
Or, in common parlance, he's done his time. What you've described is common practice for pretty much anyone who has been in prison. Tariff typically set at around half-term (other than for lifers), and for serious offences a fixed-term or life licence afterwards. So he's not technically at liberty yet, but for all intents and purposes he's done his time. The rules on records refer to the sentence as handed down, so while he was out after 30 months, the relevant length was the original 5 years, so that will never fall off his record unless it's overturned.
|>>|| No. 6579
So once someone is barred from being the role model that playing professional football creates, you consider that their only other option in life is to 'live under a bridge'.
|>>|| No. 6580
If you have a footballer as a role model then either you need to sort your life out or you're a child with shit parents.
|>>|| No. 6581
You are right. We should enslave them, and make them build a new set of pyramids in Newcastle.
|>>|| No. 6582
> Evans said if he doesn't find a club he'll start his own decorating business.
"C.EVANS : Painter and Decoraper" ?
|>>|| No. 6583
Funny thing is I've always had it in my head that if he wasn't a footballer then he'd be a painter and decorator. I don't know why, but that's my stock profession for all retired footballers to fall into. I doubt he'd be able to even do that, to be honest, without someone cock piss Partridging his van every week for the rest of his life.
|>>|| No. 6586
> I've always had it in my head that if he wasn't a footballer then he'd be a painter and decorator.
IIRC, in the 60s, 70s and 80s many retired footballers would end up buying a pub as they wouldn't have earned enough to never have to work again.
|>>|| No. 6587
I know that Dean Windass is basically too useless to work. The bloke who did our patio (not far off useless himself) used to work with him on building sites before he became professional footballer and had countless stories of him almost killing himself. Since retiring, he's worked at the same company as a few mates of mine selling screws, nuts and bolts and their best story of him was that he had a shit in a layby.
|>>|| No. 6588
I did also just have an amusing flashback to when I had a season pass at the KC and Marlon King returned to the stadium for the first time since moving away from the city of culture. There were two old blokes that sat behind us for ten years (before the cunt of an owner moved the away fans into our corner and split all the proper fans up) that we always likened to the two old bloke muppets from The Muppets. Anyway, whenever he got the ball they would scream, in unison, SEX PEST SEX PEST 'ANG 'IM 'ANG 'IM 'ANG 'IM
Sage for double-posting and Hullfa.ggery
|>>|| No. 6589
Isn't one of the reasons of going to football to play a bit of pantomime? Shouting for decisions to go in your favour (even when you really know it's a throw-in for the other team) to try and influence/pressure the officials, booing whenever one of the naughty boys (like Marlon) is on the ball even though you don't really care what they've been up to, trying to sing louder than the other lads, etc?
|>>|| No. 6590
Another Oldham sponsor, ZenOffice, warned it would sever its five-year relationship with the club if the Evans signing went ahead.
A statement from the company said: “This partnership has been based on mutual respect as OAFC did share the same values as ZenOffice, based on family and community.
“ZenOffice do not agree that the current path OAFC are embarking on espouses these values. Therefore it is with much regret that ZenOffice would like to confirm that we will end our association with Oldham Athletic Football Club if the move goes ahead to sign Ched Evans.”
Is there a link between office furniture suppliers and family values that I'm unaware of? I can't ever recall anyone at work saying "we need a few more filing cabinets, can you ring around a few suppliers to find out what their stance is on family cohesion and what they do to support it?"
|>>|| No. 6591
If they decided to carry on sponsoring the club and did nothing, then you're correct, they wouldn't be any worse off than before.
However by withdrawing their sponsorship and getting a load of media attention, then they've done more to gain recognition of their company than any conventional advertising campaign could ever do, and it's cost them exactly nothing.
|>>|| No. 6592
>Is there a link between office furniture suppliers and family values that I'm unaware of?
No, but there is a link between being featured in the national news and getting free publicity for your company.
|>>|| No. 6594
Remember, racism was entirely at odds with the values of The Carphone Warehouse.
|>>|| No. 6595
Deals off. Members of the board and their family have received death threats.
|>>|| No. 6596
Do people get taught not to behave like decent human beings now? Not only is the victim being constantly harassed but the people considering employing the offender?
>A club director told BBC sports editor Dan Roan that a staff member was told a named relative would be raped if the deal went ahead.
Oh my god that doesn't even make any sense. Fighting rape with rape?
|>>|| No. 6599
>Fighting rape with rape?
I'm pretty sure Women Against Rape advocated something very similar recently.
|>>|| No. 6604
I wish I was filthy rich and owned a club. I would have hired Evans and make public his handsome weekly salary.
|>>|| No. 6605
If I had the money, I'd hire him. Publicly. Then I'd publish the hate mail and call whoever wrote it out to be a man and say it to my face. Then, when they incriminated themselves, I'd aggressively persue charges against the senders of the hate mail.
|>>|| No. 6606
In the wake of Charlie Hebdo I would have thought people would know better than to bait nutters.
|>>|| No. 6608
They're baiting themselves really, if they're frothing at the mouth because a prisoner who has served their time is able to apply for jobs and have job offers made to them. There's no reason to be against it, unless you don't believe in releasing criminals and rehabilitation so that they can contribute to society and would rather they face eternal retribution, as they excuse 'because football' is a crock of shite. Nobody gives a fuck about role models and club ambassadors and all that bollocks they spout.
|>>|| No. 6609
The argument "nobody gives a fuck" seems like the crock of shite one, given the number of people objecting by petition and otherwise.
|>>|| No. 6610
Also, you can't rehabilitate someone who doesn't admit guilt and therefore remorse.
|>>|| No. 6611
That's par for the course for the hang 'em, flog 'em brigade and moonbat feminists. The arguments about them being role models are spurious. Remember that time you liked John Terry so much that you shagged your mate's wife, called people black cunts and mocked Seppos grieving about 9/11 or when you decided to prove that Stevie G was your favourite player by attacking DJs and getting involved with gangsters?
Also, it's not up to the public to determine whether individual cases are deemed worthy of being offered rehabilitation. That's why we have a criminal justice system.
|>>|| No. 6614
If, after watching him score a hatrick, your kid was like "I want to be a rapist like Ched Evans when I grow up!" then perhaps this would have some merit, but that is never going to happen.
They'll see him score goals, oblivious to the nature of his prison sentence until they are old enough to be able to understand it. Unless, of course, the suggestion is that people are shitty and don't shelter their young children from things like that. In which case, please, please wont someone please think of the children.
|>>|| No. 6615
>They'll see him score goals, oblivious to the nature of his prison sentence
You're overlooking something - after each goal the PA system would use his full name of Convicted Rapist Ched Evans.
|>>|| No. 6616
>If, after watching him score a hatrick, your kid was like "I want to be a rapist like Ched Evans when I grow up!"
Thanks, lad, I really bloody needed that laugh this morning.
|>>|| No. 6617
"Careful Son - he only did a bit of a rape, not a proper one".
|>>|| No. 6618
Hull City’s Steve Bruce, has disclosed that he was one of the Premier League managers who contacted Oldham to give his support to their moves to sign convicted rapist Ched Evans.
Oldham pulled out of a deal on Thursday after a storm of opposition but Bruce said that he believed Evans should have been given a second chance. The League One club’s chairman, Simon Corney, had said three Premier League managers had offered him their support and Bruce confirmed he was one of those.
“I have to be honest and say yes,” said Bruce. “I’ve known Simon for a lot of years now. He’d looked at the case too. He was of the opinion to give the kid a chance. I can only say on behalf of myself, I know I might be upsetting people but there is a question of the rape and how he’s been convicted by a jury. When you look at the evidence, it is there for appeal.”
Evans was refused leave to appeal but his case is now going before the Criminal Cases Review Commission. Bruce added: “I’m a big believer that if you have done your time everyone deserves a second chance, we have seen footballers involved with accidents and being given a second chance.
“It’s a very difficult situation for everyone concerned. It’s a pity they could not have the appeal and get it over and done with. It has divided opinion, of course, and when you look at the case in detail and, I don’t think most people have really, because they have just seen Ched Evans as a convicted rapist, when you do look at the case and look at the evidence then certainly Ched has got a case. For me the appeal can’t come quick enough for Ched. It must be a frustrating and difficult time for him and I think the events of the appeal, for me, will see Ched be allowed to play football again.”
Wise words from Brucie.
|>>|| No. 6619
Just read about it on Ull Dehrly Mehrl, probably would have been better to keep his mouth shut, but hey-ho. A lot of people are thick enough that if they see someone they like expressing their opinion on something then they'll just change their own opinion to fall in line, so I can't see Brucey getting burnt at the stake at the next home game.
|>>|| No. 6620
Top circlejerk lads, you stick it to dem fems. Among yourselves of course, wouldn't want your opinions to be challenged now would we.
|>>|| No. 6621
You could say that about any thread on this website, any website like it and the vast majority of the internet. Stop being silly.
|>>|| No. 6622
>wouldn't want your opinions to be challenged
If you want to
smash the patriarchy challenge our opinions then feel free to put forward a coherent case as to why it's a bad thing for a prisoner on licence to try and seek employment, something they're perfectly entitled to do, and become part of society again.
|>>|| No. 6623
Because science has proven rape to be at least 10 billion times more heinous a crime than GBH, murder and the holocaust combined and anyone merely suspected of it should be burnt at the stake.
|>>|| No. 6624
Agreed, let's just abort anyone even accused of rape on the spot. It's really the most humane thing to do.
|>>|| No. 6625
They should start giving new identities to rapists who served their time. It won't help Evans, but imagine the others it could help. Evans can't be the only one who faces hostility like this while searching for employment. Imagine your soon-to-be boss getting threatening phone calls about his family getting murdered and raped.
Besides, rape doesn't even mean the same thing it used to mean to me when I was younger. A crime to gasp about. Now it's about cunts waking up the next morning feeling slutty and bad about fucking someone and crying rape.
Just because Evans was a perpetrator of a crime at sometime doesn't mean he can't be a victim now.
|>>|| No. 6655
What was that shit about "I can take care of myself, don't you worry?" What is wrong with him? Is he mental?
Sounds like something an Italian gangster would do and say.
|>>|| No. 6656
He's clearly unhinged and has anger issues. It wouldn't surprise me if he keeps a shard of broken glass in his pocket, just in case.
|>>|| No. 6657
I fucking hate him and his shithouse team so beating them today was pretty decent. Even better that it was against the run of play.
I know everyone seems to dislike him but it's a lot of fun having Pardew managing your club. To be fair to him, his use of subs is very effective unlike that twat Warnock.
|>>|| No. 6659
What is it with the press always referring to these incidents in vague terms? It's always "a Premier League footballer" or somesuch. It's almost as if these people don't have names or anything.
|>>|| No. 6660
Naming names exposes you to defamation lawsuits, and could compromise a future trial. IMO it's just good journalistic practice.
The latent, deeply repressed homoeroticism that is the fundamental driver for team sports.
|>>|| No. 6661
Better journalistic practice would be realising that MAN HAS CONSENSUAL SEX WITH WOMAN isn't a fucking story and duly not reporting it.
|>>|| No. 6662
If a (presumed) celebrity is going get himself filmed shagging people in a public toilet, it's probably going to end up in the papers.
|>>|| No. 6663
"Premier League Footballer" is a better tagline than "Reserve Team Goaly You Don't Know Who Plays For Manure" has a quicky in the bogs AND THEY'VE ONLY GONE AND FILMED IT! SEE THE VIDEO AT www.BOGBONK.co.uk
|>>|| No. 6664
I despair at some of the things the tabloids find newsworthy, today's Sun headline is basically MAN IN PRISON DOES A PAINTING: BROKEN BRITAIN.
|>>|| No. 6665
Leicester announced last night that they'd sacked Pearson but now they've had a change of heart. I reckon he's shivved a couple of the board members.
|>>|| No. 6666
Lineker said that one board member sacked him but another reinstated him. Something is very wrong there.
|>>|| No. 6667
The response was that he should shut up and pay his taxes. Nice to see professional managers going full teenlad in the press.
|>>|| No. 6668
Oi, m8, the last thing them criminals need is a previously undiscovered talent on which to focus their energies. A good flogging's what'll set 'em right and proper.
|>>|| No. 6669
Sol's said he wants the Villa job. I give it less than a week before he starts crying racism when they hire someone else
|>>|| No. 6670
I hear a black guy wants some football job, I wonder how long before people start getting annoyed about things that have yet to even happen?
|>>|| No. 6671
The issue with Sol Campbell is that he has a history of crying racism when things don't go his way, such as accusing every club in the land of institutional racism for not hiring him as a coach when he couldn't be bothered to actually get the necessary qualifications or saying that the only reason he wasn't England captain is because he's black and the FA are a big bunch of racists.
|>>|| No. 6675
>A Chelsea fan who witnessed a black man being prevented from boarding a train in Paris has defended the actions of the group, insisting they were singing about Blues captain John Terry and that other passengers were blocked from entry.
>Mitchell McCoy was one of around 40 or 50 Chelsea supporters on the train and he stated they were singing about Terry, who was banned for four matches and fined £220,000 by the Football Association in October 2012 for racially abusing Anton Ferdinand. In Terry's case, the regulatory commission stated that the Chelsea captain was "not a racist".
>The 17-year-old from Fulham in London told Press Association Sport: "I'm not in the video but I'm on the carriage. We got on the train and at the station where the man was trying to get on we stopped for a couple of minutes. He tried to get on and a few people were pushing him off because there wasn't much space on the carriage. You couldn't move. People were saying it was because he was black. It's not true at all. I personally think it's because he was a PSG fan. Obviously they didn't want him anywhere with us. That guy in the video tried to force himself on, so they pushed him off."
>A chant of "We're racist and that's the way we like it" is clearly audible on the video, but McCoy contended it was not about the passenger. He added: "That song was about John Terry. The only words I know is 'he's a racist, he's a racist' and I don't know the rest."
Good old Chelsea, you can always rely on them.
|>>|| No. 6676
Are the French enjoying this? Is it like the 1980s all over again? When will English clubs be banned again? I can't wait.
|>>|| No. 6677
If they banned English clubs from Europe then they'd have to do the same for Spain, Italy, Russia and all the Slav countries where there's monkey chanting aimed at black players during matches.
|>>|| No. 6679
Just watched that video, Christ it sends a chill down my spine.
|>>|| No. 6681
Gee, I have no idea why people from Chelsea might look like people from a reality series set in Chelsea.
|>>|| No. 6682
Chelsea fans actually coming from Chelsea? That'd be like saying United fans come from Manchester and not Kent.
As far as I'm aware, Chelsea and Millwall solely exist as a place for racist Londoners to congregate, seeing as Cultural Marxism has eradicated it from most places in the capital.
|>>|| No. 6683
Well off, clean cut people from Chelsea aren't meant to be racist.
|>>|| No. 6686
Come on mate. Middle-class and upper-middle-class types aren't racist.
|>>|| No. 6687
Whites are a minority in London, if that isn't part of the Cultural Marxism enrichment process then I don't know what is.
|>>|| No. 6688
No they're not, and you're an idiot. It's really not hard to remember the difference between white people and white British people.
|>>|| No. 6690
A grand liberal conspiracy to contaminate the pure and proud Aryan race by breeding with subhumans, like negroes. It's all the fault of the Jews.
|>>|| No. 6692
Opening borders to mass immigration to subvert national and regional cultures so we're one big
happy family. This is only allowed to go one way of course, and white people abroad are simply a cancer.
|>>|| No. 6693
I don't see anything wrong with him using the term, it's a relatively accurate description of much of the modern left to me.
|>>|| No. 6694
Also the business owners side on the right who couldn't give two figs about culture, community or demography but they approach it from a different angle.
|>>|| No. 6696
"Cultural Marxism" gets used loosely as a catch-all by right-wing bloggers and pundits for "anything I disagree with", in much the same way that "fascist" gets used by the loonier aspect of the left even when they're decrying people who are plainly not fascists. In both cases it's usually wise to just ignore the person who's slinging such terms - same with "wake up sheeple", "the Jews did (x)" etc.
|>>|| No. 6698
>why are you complaining about immigration?? There's loads of British people in Spain!
|>>|| No. 6699
And how does that equate to "white people abroad are a cancer", you dippy sod?
|>>|| No. 6700
I dunno, lad. Those orientals tend to be rather racist and insular.
|>>|| No. 6701
It's a stupid fucking term that has nothing to do with Marxism
|>>|| No. 6703
If you say so, Nige.
Now can we talk about sport again? Thanks.
|>>|| No. 6709
Tenner says his "human rights organisation" is a front for him to make money without really doing much work. I knew of a "charity" like that once where the boss paid himself and his family silly money as executives while the projects they funded had to justify every penny they were claiming. You want to claim for this £3 box of pens? We'll need to see a receipt for that, and proof that you used them for our project. The boss wants us to pay hia £6k credit card bill as an "advance towards expenses"? Sure, no problem. Cunts.
|>>|| No. 6710
Who better than a massive racist to highlight how not to treat black people?
|>>|| No. 6712
The impression I get is that many people in human rights/diversity non-jobs don't really give a fuck about the subject matter but have realised they can carve out quite a lucrative career out of doing fuck all.
|>>|| No. 6713
I have a sneaking suspicion most charities for ARE LADS' benefit are rackets designed to enrich a few baldy nationalist types.
|>>|| No. 6714
I'm not black and therefore won't be acquitted when the inevitable court case comes.
|>>|| No. 6717
Yeah, we should just kill all the Southerners. Half kidding.
Also glad to see that me calling anyone involved with football at any level a "racist sex offender" was actually true after all. Shit, I just can't stop being right all the time about everything and I love it.
|>>|| No. 6718
I'm sure I read somewhere that racial tolerance goes through a bell curve - those growing up in almost exclusively white areas may be racist simply because they're not exposed to other folk so end up ignorant about them and those that have too much diversity and vibrancy exposure may end up racist because they're absolutely fed up of them. Probably explains why all cockneys are massive racists.
|>>|| No. 6720
>I'm sure I read somewhere that racial tolerance goes through a bell curve - those growing up in almost exclusively white areas may be racist simply because they're not exposed to other folk so end up ignorant about them
That's not true though, research shows that people whose only interaction with PoC involves The Fresh Prince Of Bel Air are far more likely to be liberal and tolerant.
It's actually the people who live amongst PoC who are far more likely to be prejudiced towards them.
|>>|| No. 6722
His spectrum is bullshit, where everyone on both ends of it are racist. I was pointing out the truth is quite different.
|>>|| No. 6723
Apart from that large bit in the middle that is, you know, not full of racists.
|>>|| No. 6724
Then how do you account fot UKIP's greatest support being in areas that are 99% white? Where are the UKIP targets in Birmingham and London?
|>>|| No. 6726
The hypocrisy in this thread is wonderful. You people don't half talk a lot of shit.
|>>|| No. 6727
Because the whole of East Anglia is racist whereas, in places like Birmingham, there may be the odd Pakistani enclave where the natives are feeling at the other end of the spectrum but it's certainly not like that across an entire constituency, i.e. they're right in the middle of the spectrum, bell ends in other words. That or they're just covert with their racism.
|>>|| No. 6728
I thought that was the accepted, polite term currently?
I was actually trying not to offend. Is this now a term that if used on twitter gets people threatening to burn your house down? I can't even keep up these days.
|>>|| No. 6730
No don't worry, that is the politically correct term, >>6725 is just trying his hardest to be edgily politically incorrect.
|>>|| No. 6731
If you're looking for a catch-all term to refer specifically to people who are not white, "non-white" will do nicely. If you're talking about minorities in general, "minority" will suffice. On this side of the pond, reference to "colour" went out of fashion about the same time as disco.
Tumblr's that way, darlin'.
|>>|| No. 6732
>People of color was introduced as a preferable replacement to both non-white and minority, which are also inclusive, because it frames the subject positively; non-white defines people in terms of what they are not (white), and minority frequently carries a subordinate connotation.
But we should obviously all defer to you, the ultimate arbiter of what people of colour should call themselves. Bow down before His Royal Raceness.
|>>|| No. 6735
We have to refer to ourselves as 'non-blacks' apparently and then it's okay.
|>>|| No. 6737
In school I remember being told that black isn't a colour, it's a pigment.
|>>|| No. 6745
I don't think he has any mongy kids on account of his bum drilling.
|>>|| No. 6746
I like to think that since the publishing of the letter shown in the OP, Liverpool players have developed their own unique set of insults for each other that seem completely nonsensical to the outside world.
|>>|| No. 6749
>completely nonsensical to the outside world
I believe Liverpool was already there, mate.
|>>|| No. 6752
I heard a rumour that he met her in a nightclub, which would mean that the nightclub's staff are sort-of accessory to paedophilia, as he would have been at a disadvantage in this situation, as you normally expect everyone to be of legal age when in a club.
|>>|| No. 6753
If it were shown that the footballer reasonably believed her to be over 16 he would be innocent of the charge.
|>>|| No. 6754
I reckon if it's got to the police then it's probably a spiteful 14/15 year old trying to get revenge after being spurned, so she'll claim he knew full well how young and supple she was.
|>>|| No. 6755
>Three unmarked police cars and a van drove through the electric gates of their home in Castle Eden, near Hartlepool, Co Durham at around 9.15am when plain-clothed officers entered.
>Officers spent the day at Johnson’s house yesterday, and also appeared to be searching the triple garage at one point.
I was under the impression he had sex with an under-age girl, not that he was an international fugitive terrorist.
|>>|| No. 6757
Your post suggests to me that you're not very familiar with police raids.
|>>|| No. 6758
I've seen more heavies on TV raiding pot farms. Don't exaggerate.
|>>|| No. 6763
That's different. A cannabis-growing operation is organised crime and necessitates a raid. This is a footballer, not a career criminal yes yes ha ha and the kind of situation they seemed to have been preparing for seems over the top. If they wanted to take him in, why not two or three officers turn up at his door and say you're nicked my son. That's all you need.
|>>|| No. 6764
Given his reasonably high profile, maybe the extra officers are needed for his own protection from the paedo scum witch-hunt.
|>>|| No. 6765
Probably because it's not every day you get to snoop round a millionaire's mansion.
|>>|| No. 6766
>That's different. A cannabis-growing operation is organised crime and necessitates a raid.
Oh please do fuck off.
I'm not currently growing, but I have done about 7 grows in my lifetime. Largest one was 16 plants. It was NOT organised crime. Know how much of it I sold? Fuck all. Know how much of it I smoked/used in edibles? All of it.
Free the fucking weed, this bullshit has gone on long enough. I just want to be able to smoke marijuana without having to deal with dodgy street dealers. Just let me walk into the newsagents and say "20 Bob Marleys please" and be handed it. Hurts no one else, never killed anyone.
|>>|| No. 6767
Okay, maybe in your case it was more like disorganised crime. I get the feeling that otherlad is referring to full-on house hijacks with meter bypasses and a dozen smuggled Vietnamese crammed into the attic rather than a couple of pots in the corner of the greenhouse.
|>>|| No. 6768
Searching a millionaire's mansion is a considerably bigger job than searching a two-bed terrace.
|>>|| No. 6769
All you've got to do is knock at the door and wait for the answer. It's not like he had a load of 14/15 year old lasses hiding in his wardrobe.
|>>|| No. 6770
He might try to escape in his James Bond helicopter or something.
|>>|| No. 6772
Very true, or he may have been burning his secret diaries which listed all of his teenlass trysts in all their illicit detail.
|>>|| No. 6773
She was bragging about it to her friends and online, which is how her dad found out. She told him she was underage.
|>>|| No. 6776
Poor reading and writing skills are more common than you'd think, in this country. An older colleague of mine told me that guys used to ask her to read stuff out for them 'because they'd forgot their glasses again'. These were well-paid engineers and such.
|>>|| No. 6777
Aren't there laws about having sexual intercourse with the developmentally disabled? Christ alive.
|>>|| No. 6778
Now, now, lad. I know he's a footballer and they're rather thick, but The Alleged Statutory Rapist Adam Johnson (as he will now be known) doesn't have development issues, unless you mean that he enjoys being ridden by girls who aren't fully developed.
|>>|| No. 6782
If she bags herself a footballer then she'll never have to worry about working in her life.
Does it count as grooming? He knew she was underage, gave her one of his shirts and his phone number before telling her that he wanted to meet up for sex because he wanted her to thank him for the shirt.
|>>|| No. 6783
What is wrong with people that they can't just accept a "ta for that mate" and the adoration of another, but have to allegedly pork someone to show how much their adoration means to them?
|>>|| No. 6784
When I hold the door open for a lady, mate, I expect - no, I demand that she at least gives me a handjob with a bit of spit.
|>>|| No. 6790
But, football fans certainly do shout all kinds of abuse at her.
|>>|| No. 6792
They do, but
it's just banter, matey they usually shout abuse at anyone with a characteristic they can hone in on, be it wearing glasses, being overweight, short, bald, etc. rather than because women are being unfairly singled out.
|>>|| No. 6794
She is being unfairly singled out, because she is a woman. And please, stop the bullshit, they never sing about glasses, or baldness, bigotlad.
|>>|| No. 6797
Fucking hell, who would have thought that a woman would have received misogynistic abuse at a football match. I'm sure she has thicker skin than most .gs posters and is very well compensated for her trouble.
|>>|| No. 6798
>who would have thought that a woman would have received misogynistic abuse at a football match
The problem is people like you seem to think it is okay to do this.
|>>|| No. 6800
No, that is merely what you are inferring.... Incorrectly.
What I am saying is that this is not a particularly newsworthy story, the topic in a more general context is a valuable discussion piece suitable for the Guardian CommentIsFree or similar column. If you subjected every individual who has been on the receiving end of misogynistic comments in sport or the workplace to specific discussion you wouldn't have too much time to eat, sleep or shit.
|>>|| No. 6801
Which sheltered football clubs have you been to? Have you never seen a whole terrace doing the slaphead thing or have a go at the ref for being blind?
|>>|| No. 6802
That's why they don't, you ignorant dicksplash. They write articles about public/semi-public figures so those examples get enough coverage to show more than the people who happen to work in the same office as a .gs posters Asian girlfriend that being bigoted cunt-fuck is sort of not okay.
Or should no one with the profile to do so try to improve anything ever?
|>>|| No. 6803
I'm pretty sure the women in that Asian lasses' office were being racist and not misogynistic. They won't care about football fans wanting a woman to get her tits out for the lads.
|>>|| No. 6804
Yes, I know that. It's precisely why I bundled it all under the word "bigotry". My point was entirely clear.
|>>|| No. 6805
I think they were wanting the Asian lass to get her tits out of the office.
|>>|| No. 6808
>>“We weren’t sure whether to tweet about it because it’s the Army and we didn’t want to offend people - I’m a very proud English person and I’m very proud of what the Army do - but I was ashamed of them today.”
Honestly, are we the USA yet?
|>>|| No. 6809
Who'd have thought a load of former woodwork students could be such twats?
If you thought the USA had a monopoly on flag waving, half retarded, ultra patriots you're probably going to be disappointed.
Never overestimate the general populace, which is to say never expect much of anything.
|>>|| No. 6823
You don't get bigger than Wes Brown and John O'Shea. They've got about a dozen Premier League and three Champions League medals between them.
|>>|| No. 6830
>Former defender Clarke Carlisle has said he feels "no shame" about his recent suicide attempt.
>Carlisle, who played for Burnley and QPR, tried to take his own life in December when he was hit by a lorry.
What an absolute cunt. There's no shame in having mental health issues, but there's no need to be a cunt and fuck up the lives of other people by stepping in front of a lorry and then being a 'me, me, me' absorbed cunt about it afterwards and not expressing any concern to the lorry driver or any witnesses.
|>>|| No. 6832
It's reasonable to assume that someone who's willing to take a face full of lorry probably isn't thinking straight.
|>>|| No. 6833
I like to think that, if I were to kill myself, I'd do it in a manner that'd cause as least inconvenience to others as possible. Surely it's easier to top yourself on tablets or fashion a makeshift noose than it is to go outside and find a lorry to jump in front of?
|>>|| No. 6834
Well, again, those in the throws of a truly deep depression aren't prone to to being rigidly logically, not least in something as fundamentally illogical as suicide.
|>>|| No. 6835
If someone were to kill themselves by ramming their car into a primary school, there would be rightful outrage. Suicidal people are quietly loathed in the rail industry, because of the immense impact that suicides have on the workers who have to deal with the aftermath. Drivers are the most severely affected and many never work again, but signallers, maintenance workers and police officers also suffer trauma. Can you imagine what it must be like to helplessly sit and watch while your vehicle kills someone? To spend a shift scraping someone's guts out of the wheels? To painstakingly document what happens to a human body when it is scattered over several hundred yards of track?
Being suicidal doesn't take away your moral compass, or your moral duty.
|>>|| No. 6836
You purport to know what a man thinks about the gravest of issues based on one sentence, a sentence designed to communicate the specific message that stigmatising mental health issues is wrong. I mean, have you read any of his articles? Watched his documentary?
Have you researched suicide methods at all? Making an effective noose and employing it correctly is easier said than done. It's supposed to break your neck, not suffocate you, and there are historical accounts abound of professional executioners getting it wrong. Taking a bunch of pills is massively dangerous and by that I mean it carries huge risk of failure and incurring organ damage. You also fail to consider that many suicides are impulsive.
Driving into a school would more likely than not be pre-mediated and would be construed as intentionally causing harm. The last suicidal person (AFAIA) to behave that way on the rail network was condemned almost globally. Quite why anyone would pay deference to public outrage I don't know, especially when returning as defective the gift of life.
>To painstakingly document what happens to a human body when it is scattered over several hundred yards of track?
This (and perhaps other items in your list) seems like it'd be done by a specialist who chose the job.
Anyway, the opinions expressed above are akin to telling a homosexual or gender dysphoria sufferer to man up or to drone on about how the poor are bleeding the country dry with their fecklessness.
I'm loathe to link to the HuffingtonPost and especially to an article that uses the term "victim-blaming" in earnest, but this article fairly accurately expresses my visceral disgust at how people in this thread are using the absolutely most unfortunate in society to indulge their holier-than-thou tendencies.
|>>|| No. 6838
Someone who is suicidal does not automatically make themselves worthy of anyone's support. If you're not a cunt in your day to day activities why must you suddenly become a cunt when it comes to offing yourself? It's selfish as hell.
|>>|| No. 6840
Does this mean that the co-pilot of the Germanwings plane is not a cunt because the poor suicidal little lamb wasn't thinking straight?
|>>|| No. 6841
Clearly he was too stricken with grief and self-pity to give a moment's thought to the other 149 people on board.