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>> No. 3688 Anonymous
26th July 2012
Thursday 1:23 pm
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Student finance appears to have screwed up and provided a tuition fee loan of 9k instead of the 8k needed for my course. After ringing them up twice last week to get this changed they have sent over a form for me to change the amount I will receive but I really don't see why I should put myself in the risk of getting fucked by this somehow when its not really my fault.

What do you think will happen if they try to pay a grand extra to the university? If they do try to make me pay extra back to them do you think I have a good chance of telling them to go stuff themselves seeing as how its not my fault and I have already informed them of the problem?
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>> No. 4573 Anonymous
20th June 2013
Thursday 11:06 pm
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My cousin works there. I'll ask her about this when we next chat.
>> No. 4574 Anonymous
20th June 2013
Thursday 11:07 pm
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>>4573
Well worth the bump, m8.
>> No. 4575 Anonymous
20th June 2013
Thursday 11:13 pm
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>>4573
Op here. Nothing seems to have come of it so I wouldn't bother.
>> No. 4576 Anonymous
20th June 2013
Thursday 11:14 pm
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>>4573

A* post.
>> No. 4577 Anonymous
22nd June 2013
Saturday 2:20 am
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>>3688

I worked for SLC (rather, for an outsourced telecommunications company representing the SLC) for a few months last year as frontline customer service.

I would strongly advise you to both call your Uni tomorrow and check any documentation they've given you to figure out what you're being charged this year.

If it is 8k, then fill in the change of circumstances form SLC sent you with the corrected details. Do this as soon as possible, when i worked there we had a room full of those fucking forms, that was in september though so it'll probably get taken care of promptly.

Despite what you might thing, or what common sense might dictate this is considered your responsibility, the uni and slc are unlikely to just sort it out on their own because they deal with a staggering volume of applicants are do the bare minimum required to complete the payment process. It's more than possible that the uni will go, err there's a grand extra here, and slc will simply say ok we're cancelling the payment til this is sorted.

So yeah, send it to the address provided, probably darlington, customer reference number and name on a separate piece of paper and a brief explanation of why you're sending it, this in my experience will make sure nothing goes wrong.

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>> No. 4533 Anonymous
28th May 2013
Tuesday 11:21 am
4533 Exams
So lads,

How are your exams? Are you one of the poor souls still doing them?
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>> No. 4540 Anonymous
29th May 2013
Wednesday 2:34 am
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I had two exams.

I revised for weeks for exam A, thinking it was first.

I got there, exam A notes in hand, and it turns out it was exam B first, which I'd done no work for.

Ended up having to blag this politics essay. Had my results back today and got a 51, which all things considered isn't fucking bad. I went to a few lectures and did no revision. Got a 60 overall for the module, and it brought me up to a 2:1 for my overall degree classification. Barely.
>> No. 4541 Anonymous
29th May 2013
Wednesday 8:09 am
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Last one starts in an hour. "Advanced Techniques for Theoretical Physics"

Can't wait
>> No. 4543 Anonymous
29th May 2013
Wednesday 11:23 am
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>>4541

I know that by now you're in your exam and writing, but good luck, lad.

>>4533

I've completed my exams and just handed in the last of my essays. I'm fairly confident I did well in everything, and I've really pulled out all the stops this year. Crossing my fingers for at least a 2:1 overall, and depending on whether things fall right, maybe even a first.

I've actually been puzzling over how the classifications are worked out.
>> No. 4544 Anonymous
29th May 2013
Wednesday 12:25 pm
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>>4543
>I've actually been puzzling over how the classifications are worked out.

Contact your department admin bods and ask, if it isn't in your handbook/intranet. My Uni is split 1/2/4 in terms of the weighting of years - pretty standard and I think the standard for any University of London college.
>> No. 4572 Anonymous
19th June 2013
Wednesday 12:24 pm
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I'm currently sat next to a muppet mate who's failed a level 3 NVQ test half a dozen times because my braindead, bullying, dyslexic excuse for a teacher managed to "lose" a significant portion of my work. It's my fault for basically bollocking my own tutor in front of the class for telling us to copy work from previous years, trying to force me to re-do work because I got too many questions right and general foolery (And you know it's justified when no one thinks you're a nob for it and most chime in).

As an up and coming teenlad looking to do a HNC/HND course next year at a (Hopefully) better college, is it all this woefully inept? Is it a midlands thing? Was working alongside an NVQ just an astoundingly poor decision vs finishing my A-levels and taking the academic route?

Help for me God's sake

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>> No. 4547 Anonymous
6th June 2013
Thursday 5:10 pm
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I took Mathematics to GCSE level at school but no further than that. I would now like to move to A Level but as an adult the local college charges a hefty sum (£350 for AS Level) and I would like to try and study it alone.

(The actual qualification does not interest me, I just want to be able to read other science-related books and articles without having to choose only maths-light ones).

Can anyone recommend any books/text books or websites that are accessible to a learner who has no other help from a teacher? I have tried just buying an A Level maths guide but it was kind of difficult alone.

Thanks.
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>> No. 4550 Anonymous
6th June 2013
Thursday 8:47 pm
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What you read will depend slightly on what you want to do with the maths - assuming you intend at some point to go beyond A-level, think what you want to use maths for. There are loads of "Maths for..." type books for physicists, engineers, chemists, biologists and probably other fields, which will emphasise certain parts which are more important in that field.
>> No. 4551 Anonymous
7th June 2013
Friday 5:59 pm
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Thank you for your really helpful posts. I will follow you suggestions.
>> No. 4562 Anonymous
14th June 2013
Friday 12:46 am
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If you want A levels to get into uni, you could do an Access to HE course at college instead. It's whats getting me in uni to do nursing in Sept. I got fuck all decent GCSE's.

I know some colleges charge more for the course, but my local one in wales cost £20 for a 1 year, full time Access course.
>> No. 4563 Anonymous
14th June 2013
Friday 5:27 pm
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>>4562

Thanks. Only problem is that I work full-time and an access course is not really an option.
>> No. 4564 Anonymous
18th June 2013
Tuesday 8:23 am
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>>4563

To be fair i had to drop my hours from full time to relief work (weekends, covering when people were absent etc). They do part time access courses too which normally run for 2 years, which can be tailored to suit people in full time work. However my local college was charging £400 for the part time option.

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>> No. 4511 Anonymous
19th May 2013
Sunday 6:19 am
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im fucking just sat here stressing and being pissed off that my dads made it so hard for me to get a house. i kind of had my heart set on that big one, and since i might have to do resits, i likely wont get my results till late august. meaning i would have to wait till then to start looking or lie and say i passed maths the first time.
having to house-hunt that late would be a nightmare,and how am i meant to get down to bristol everytime i want to view one?
i could ask my uncle, but he'll give the excuse that he isnt employed atm.
wtf am i meant to do?
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>> No. 4555 Anonymous
10th June 2013
Monday 2:16 am
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I'm not convince a person who can barely convey concepts, and leaves enough ambiguity it is a topic of discussion should really have a degree (maybe media). I can already feel my own degree being devalued by the possibility of OP getting one...
>> No. 4556 Anonymous
10th June 2013
Monday 3:59 am
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>>4555
Fucking hell, get to bed lad.
>> No. 4557 Anonymous
10th June 2013
Monday 4:13 am
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Why do you feel that you're entitled to a house?
>> No. 4558 Anonymous
10th June 2013
Monday 4:43 am
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>>4557
This. OP you're a cunt.
>> No. 4559 Anonymous
10th June 2013
Monday 11:19 am
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>>4558
Don't be dumb, it's not an unreasonable expectation that your parents should enable you to have somewhere to live at uni. He needs a guarantor, they know this, pretty much everyone's guarantor is one of their parents.

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>> No. 4374 Anonymous
23rd April 2013
Tuesday 5:51 pm
4374 Dissertation time
Any other finalists have an impending dissertation deadline?

Mine is Friday, but I'm pretty much done with it, getting it bound tomorrow.

Otherwise, last-minute panic thread.
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>> No. 4530 Anonymous
20th May 2013
Monday 9:36 am
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>>4526
I dunno man, any better/more neutral pics and I'll see if she rings a bell.
>> No. 4531 Anonymous
20th May 2013
Monday 9:37 am
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>>4530
>>>/x/23358
>> No. 4532 Anonymous
20th May 2013
Monday 9:49 am
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>>4531
Maybe, but not this year. There is plenty of eyecandy at QM, she's nowhere near the summit of the college's mountain of ass.
>> No. 4539 Anonymous
29th May 2013
Wednesday 2:31 am
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>>4523
I spent a week on the whole thing. It was about eighteenth century piracy. My tutor, a maritime historian, hated me because I never turned up to meetings or the practice vivas, and is a pretty harsh marker apparently. In the end though he seemed pretty impressed. So I'm very pleased.
>> No. 4546 Anonymous
31st May 2013
Friday 8:07 am
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>>4539
Exeter, per chance?

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>> No. 4545 Anonymous
30th May 2013
Thursday 12:45 am
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Do any of you lads keep up to date with academic journals? For hobby or personal interest I mean, not just for your course.

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>> No. 4446 Anonymous
7th May 2013
Tuesday 12:01 am
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Any UoL lads been enjoying this drama storm?

The ULU is finally to be shut down, likely due to its abysmal election turnout rate and poor reception among students. Though its President claims that the Unis are out to get them because they organised protests against tuition fees.

Latest news; http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-22384936
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>> No. 4454 Anonymous
7th May 2013
Tuesday 7:06 am
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>>4450

The University of London is a federal university, made up of 18 colleges and 10 institutes. Each of these bodies has a student union, so all students will continue to be represented by an NUS-affiliated SU. The ULU has become increasingly unrepresentative of the student body as a whole, as demonstrated by the incredibly low election turnout of just 2%. It is entirely right that the UoL should derecognise that union, as it no longer has a legitimate claim to represent the student body.
>> No. 4498 Anonymous
12th May 2013
Sunday 8:42 am
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>>4454
Exactly this, ULU is also notoriously useless at organizing anything that isn't self-promotion. Nobody at my college has anything to do with them, so no tears have been shed.
>> No. 4507 Anonymous
18th May 2013
Saturday 11:26 pm
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So its a Union that nobody gives a toss about and only exists to sponge money from the services students actually need. Of course it justifies itself by being a hub of 'political' activity.

Isn't that the case with all student unions?
>> No. 4510 Anonymous
19th May 2013
Sunday 12:35 am
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>>4507

Depends. Unions tend to become shit when they start being 'second-order' (i.e. representing a larger body made up of several groups already with their own unions). You see it with OUSU and CUSU at Oxbridge who have their colleges, and you see it with ULU with the UoL.
>> No. 4515 Anonymous
19th May 2013
Sunday 10:14 am
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>>4507
Arguably, but my SU have done some decent things. ULU's downfall is probably due in part to its current President (Chessum, in the OP, who's by now had a paid role in student politics for three or more years) and is by all accounts an incompetent and unlikeable cunt.

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>> No. 4163 Anonymous
3rd March 2013
Sunday 7:29 pm
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Lads, I am sure that we are all starting to brick it about upcoming Easter exams. Please post some good tips on how to succeed at this .

I've not done so well in my essay work (I get lots of 'good point' comments but always wonder from the topics) therefore I am looking to seriously get my arse in gear about organizing genuine study time.

My recommendations are:
-Get leechblock on your browser and block everything none work related. This includes the porn.

-Actually schedule your time, most phones will have a calender feature for this so no excuses

-Don't read anything outside of what you have been given.
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>> No. 4199 Anonymous
12th March 2013
Tuesday 11:32 pm
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>>4163
What's the website that has student ebooks?

It's something like www.faaaag.com, and other variations where the middle vowel is of different length. It's members only. Can anyone remember?
>> No. 4221 Anonymous
13th March 2013
Wednesday 12:59 pm
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>>4199

http://aaaaarg.org
>> No. 4474 Anonymous
10th May 2013
Friday 11:30 pm
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>>4221
How do you get to be a member?
>> No. 4508 Anonymous
18th May 2013
Saturday 11:27 pm
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Okay with the exams approaching I have no idea on what revision actually entails.

I have been redoing all of the seminar work and have been considering writing up a few essays covering what I have learnt. Am I doing this correctly or should I be doing something else?
>> No. 4509 Anonymous
18th May 2013
Saturday 11:45 pm
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>>4508

What level are you studying at? What subjects are the exams on?

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>> No. 4503 Anonymous
14th May 2013
Tuesday 8:55 pm
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Lads, I'm 20 years old and looking into doing some A-Levels at the start of September after I finish this BTEC. Trouble is that my local sixth-form doesn't accept students older than 18. So what's the arrangement for mature students wishing to do a few A-Levels to get into good universities?
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>> No. 4505 Anonymous
14th May 2013
Tuesday 9:46 pm
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>>4503

>>4460

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>> No. 4467 Anonymous
7th May 2013
Tuesday 7:42 pm
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What is a 'comparative' course?

I've seen a few around, and I'm thinking of doing 'comparative journalism'.

I vaguely remember someone on TV saying something like "Dad I'm studying religious education", then he says "Comparative religious education", and the father breaks down. It may well have been Ned Flanders.

Is there some sort of stigma attached to it?
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>> No. 4491 Anonymous
11th May 2013
Saturday 4:11 am
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>>4487
My point remains valid regardless of whether he studies comparative linguistics or not. Which is that the page in question doesn't relate to comparative study at all, of linguistics or otherwise. It seems you don't understand the phrase 'syntactic construction' and you think therefore you can discard it as unimportant.
>> No. 4492 Anonymous
11th May 2013
Saturday 4:12 am
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>>4488

It defines the word comparative.
>> No. 4493 Anonymous
11th May 2013
Saturday 4:15 am
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>>4492
In a different sense, sure. The page he linked defines sense 3. We want to know about sense 2.

http://oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/comparative?q=comparative
>> No. 4494 Anonymous
11th May 2013
Saturday 4:20 am
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>>4493

I think you're wrong.
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11th May 2013
Saturday 10:13 am
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Comparative religious education would be looking at all the different religions. I haven't seen the Simpsons in years but isn't Ned a rabid bible-thumper? That's why he would be upset about that, not because there's anything wrong with comparative courses in themselves.

I've no idea what comparative journalism would entail though. I wasn't aware journalism came in a lot of different types.

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>> No. 4460 Anonymous
7th May 2013
Tuesday 1:06 pm
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Porridge wog here. I didn't really do well in high school because of the ennui and all that nonsense.

Now I've realised what I want to do, and to get there, I need to put a lot of hours into education. This includes getting my highers.

As I didn't do any, what is the plausibility of being able to do my highers at night whilst working 40-60 hours a week?

Do universities even consider anybody that isn't fresh out of high school?

I'd like to study electrical engineering, if that's relevant. Am I better going through a modern apprenticeship or getting and HNC/D over a degree?

And again, if a modern apprenticeship is my best bet, how old is too old? I'm almost 21.
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>> No. 4461 Anonymous
7th May 2013
Tuesday 1:19 pm
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>>4460
>Do universities even consider anybody that isn't fresh out of high school?
Unis are quite happy to accept mature students.

>what is the plausibility of being able to do my highers at night whilst working 40-60 hours a week?
Studying anything whilst working 60 hours a week sounds like a recipe for a breakdown to me, but your perseverance and fortitude may be greater than my own.
>> No. 4462 Anonymous
7th May 2013
Tuesday 1:26 pm
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>>4461

Thanks.

The 60 hour week thing is that we have a bunch of overtime that needs doing. I can get off with 48 hours minimum. In my head though I probably will have to quit the job if I'm going to university or the HND, as those are almost always full time, aren't they?
>> No. 4465 Anonymous
7th May 2013
Tuesday 2:49 pm
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>>4462
Have a look at foundation courses. My uni does one for general engineering with the option to specialise into mechanics, motor-sports or electronics at the end of it. The entry requirements are likely to be quite low as well.

I would say that universities look more favourably towards older students, or should be at least, especially if you can prove persistence such as holding down a job for a length of time. Many of the people on my course who came straight from A-levels have either dropped out or are struggling in comparison to the older lot.

What has happened with fees over Hadrian's wall, are they (or were they) free?
>> No. 4466 Anonymous
7th May 2013
Tuesday 4:00 pm
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>>4462

You'll need to think seriously about your working hours. There are lots of options for part-time study, but you'll find it extremely difficult to combine study with long hours unless you've got incredible stamina. Learning can't be done through sheer brute force - if you're not mentally fresh and focussed, time spent studying is a waste.

The best option for most mature students is to do an access or foundation course. Nearly all universities run a course of this type, for mature students who don't have A-levels/Highers. These courses are usually a year long, taught part-time in the evenings. Access courses usually have quite minimal entry requirements - usually five GCSEs/Standard Grades, sometimes just a numeracy and literacy test. Once you've finished the access course, you'll be able to start a degree normally, either full- or part-time.

Universities generally prefer mature students. People who've returned to education tend to have a much clearer idea of why they want to study and have often picked up useful skills through work, so they're usually far more motivated, better organised and easier to teach.

If you're considering an HND, this might be an easier option to fit in around work - FE colleges tend to be very good in accommodating part-time students and in running evening sessions.

You can study a degree full-time or part-time, but even a part-time course will take at least 16 hours a week of good quality study time. A lot universities have few or no night-time courses, so it might not be possible to keep up a full-time job and study a full time job. Most people find it much easier to study part-time if they have some amount of flexibility in their working hours, so they can take time off work for assignment deadlines and exam revision.

The other popular option is to study with the Open University. The OU has no entry requirements, so you can enrol even if you have no qualifications at all. OU courses are very flexible - a 30 hour module takes about eight hours a week and can fit in around whatever other commitments you have. You have to be quite self-motivated and disciplined to stick to the course schedule, because most courses have no more than one session a month of face-to-face tuition. Employers generally respect OU qualifications highly for this reason. The time it takes to complete your degree will depend on how much time you can dedicate to study. In Scotland, you can claim a grant for OU fees if you earn less than £25,000pa.

I'd suggest that you have a look on the website of your local universities and FE colleges. Give them a ring and ask to speak to someone about access courses and enrolment options for mature students. A lot of universities are quite flexible in admitting mature students. I'd also recommend looking into the OU - they offer a lot of short courses, which are an excellent taster if you just want to try it out. Again, give them a call and talk to an advisor about your situation.

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>> No. 4394 Anonymous
30th April 2013
Tuesday 6:27 pm
4394 Dropping out
Anyone else beginning to seriously reconsider uni?

I had a great first semester of my second year undergraduate programme - getting 2.1s and a few firsts with the coursework - but absolutely fucking crashed in spring. Whether a slightly crap christmas break, the sorry state of my student house or just the weather were to blame I don't really know but the rub of it was that I didn't submit any coursework and did fuck all for months on end except society things and watch tv.

Talking with my dept they've said they'll give me special dispensation for this semester by merit of my autumn term results, but I'm thinking about either moving back in with my parents and commuting to uni as necessary or maybe just chucking the whole thing in.

Does anyone have experience with ending uni early? Will it really affect one's job prospects? Wasn't sure whether to post this in here or /job/ but there you are.
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>> No. 4402 Anonymous
30th April 2013
Tuesday 9:41 pm
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>>4401
>managers lap that kind of patter up.
They hardly "lap it up.", they just appreciate that you're more than capable of bullshitting their customers to the company's advantage, and that you can do it under high pressure (ie: job interview), that's what they are really looking for.

and yeah, I agree about avoiding looking like you can't hack doing shit you don't like (ie: Uni course that you lost passion for).
>> No. 4403 Anonymous
30th April 2013
Tuesday 10:54 pm
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I dropped out once, and it was probably because I was too rushed and confused, didn't do any work etc. I went back to university and every so often felt like I wanted to leave. And seriously, I was considering it a viable option, particularly in second year.

I think it's important to remember that the time and space that university offers is very significant. I know things like student houses and course requirements are annoying, and sometimes you don't do work. But given all the time and space, and the relative safety of university; how can you not?

I would talk to student services, and selected friends and family about the situation that you face. A few counselling sessions might be enough to get you back into working well, or it might be enough to make you decide to quit proper.

For now, you have a home and a reason for another year at least- it might not be great, but it is a relatively flexible lifestyle. Moving back home with parents is stressful, leaving university is stressful, finding work afterwards is stressful, and especially the idea that you might regret this is very stressful. Having said that, I am incredibly proud of myself for dropping out without my family knowing and putting up with 3 years of bullshit, because now I am doing very well.

I'd go to see a counselor for a little and just talk about motivation. Wait on your idea to leave for a while. It's easy to say, but what you're talking about is a massive change in the direction of your life; after I dropped out I was depressed and unemployed for a long time, as well as trapped in my grandparents house, only allowed out to make lattes for people with new cars.
>> No. 4404 Anonymous
1st May 2013
Wednesday 3:11 am
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I'm a third year student who was seriously considering dropping out last year. I'm a few weeks from graduation now, all I have left are my final exams.

Honestly, there was no one more despising of uni than me, I had (have) very little friends, a shit house of people, no interest in my work and no plan on what to do with my degree afterwards or faith in it.

My advice to you, however, is to stick it out. 99% of people who drop out of university go on to regret it. You've wasted your money, time, and your throwing an opportunity away. Even if you've realised a degree isn't going to land you that Alan Sugar job straight out of school, its better to have it on your CV than not. Even if you think bollocks to the career aspect, its better to have known you trudged on through it and you came out the other side. Like I said I'm not far from finishing now, and knowing that I'm nearly there and that I kept with it has actually been quite a nice source of pride for me. I'm not going to tell you I suddenly started loving life in the third year, but now I'm coming to the end of my time here, I'm starting to realise it wasn't so bad after all, and that I'm very, very pleased I didn't drop out. I have a feeling "the world of work" is not going to be as fun, (and it isn't), so seriously... keep with it.

Everyone goes through a dip in their second term. It's a known thing. That's why lots of unis put more weighting on your third year results. I fucked up half of my second year too, but after some decent results in this, its not looking so bad. The honeymoon period of the first year is over, and now you're stuck questioning your uni life, your life that seems to far off from finishing. Trust me though, it goes quickly whether you like it or not. In a year time you'll look back on the feelings your having now and you'll be relieved you didn't give into them, and pleased you stuck it out, trust me.
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1st May 2013
Wednesday 10:56 pm
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I've considered dropping out a few times. Did great in my first semester getting 80%s, but so much shit got to me that by the end of the second semester I was getting around 20%. Changed to a new course, which I'm enjoying more but I still struggle with it because depression makes everything hard work. These last few weeks I was seriously considering dropping out or asking to restart the year, but ended up talking to the course welfare person who said I will be able to pass the year with ease as long as I don't get 0 in my next 4 exams. Also doctor referred me to therapy again so that should help.
>> No. 4471 Anonymous
8th May 2013
Wednesday 12:16 am
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Thanks for your posts lads, I have read them all.

My uni are being very supportive at the moment and are giving me extensions to coursework and letting me sit some exams during the resit period for free. I'm pretty sure I'm going to live at home for my final year and commute from London to my uni (about 1.3 hours by train) as and when.
Feeling a bit better about the whole thing now I've re engaged with the staff.
Thanks again for the input especially from graduates.

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>> No. 4362 Anonymous
19th April 2013
Friday 7:44 pm
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Lads, quick query here regarding accommodation: I'm set to work out accommodation for my firm choice but am unsure on whether I need to sort out living arrangements with my insurance option also, just in case I don't get the grades to get into the firm choice.

How do you go about accommodation matters regarding second-in-line university picked?
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>> No. 4363 Anonymous
19th April 2013
Friday 7:55 pm
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>>4362
Rent a flatshare with unknowns. That's what I'd do.
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19th April 2013
Friday 8:18 pm
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Depends on the university. Some get you to do it before results, some afterwards. You could always phone them up.
>> No. 4365 Anonymous
19th April 2013
Friday 8:47 pm
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>>4362

QUERY!
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20th April 2013
Saturday 1:59 pm
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I didn't sort anything out with my insurance, which was fine as I got into my firm. I know quite a few people who got into their insurance, and they had to sort accommodation out between results and start of term. I think it should be relatively easy to find a place to live at such short notice though - plenty of houseshares on Unipol, and plenty of private halls will still have rooms available.
>> No. 4367 Anonymous
20th April 2013
Saturday 2:18 pm
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Or you could do what a mad Irish lass I knew did: turn up with nothing but a rucksack and talk your way into sleeping on people's couches and floors until you've figured out where you want to live.

I don't advise this.

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>> No. 4360 Anonymous
17th April 2013
Wednesday 5:42 pm
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I need some help finding evidence for something.

In the 18th century, Royal Navy ships would often not dock properly, because they knew the men would desert. So they stayed a bit off shore.

Can someone help find anything that backs that up? A book, article, anything. Please.
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>> No. 4361 Anonymous
17th April 2013
Wednesday 6:08 pm
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>>4360

The internet says that the RN used to withhold a certain amount of pay to prevent desertion, which would be given to the seaman in the form of a voucher when he left the service.

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